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- Howard's got the winning ticket!

By puddle on Nov 7, 2009 1:27 AM EST
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- Hi folks.

By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 2:01 AM EST

We just watched the Bill Maher show with Alan Grayson, Tweetie and Alec Baldwin as guests.  Yay for Grayson!!!

Maher is correct that docs tend to over-prescribe clinical tests because they don't follow evidence-based, best practice guidelines.  This is NOT, however, a major cause of out of control health care costs.  Major contributors:

1) We need better ongoing wellness programs.

2) No continuum of care...if every American had an electronic medical record that could be accessed at any point of care location, an ER, a clinic, essentially anywhere a patient walks in for care, a doctor could make a better decision on how to treat.

These two points were raised by my partner who is a published medical researcher so this is a highly qualified, informed, educated opinion.  (no bias on my part, of course;)

 

 

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- LWC

By seashell on Nov 7, 2009 4:05 AM EST

 That one sentence kinda might have folks thinking that you'd think our president would escalate the wars to appease the fallout from the actions of a mentally ill person.  That's kind of far fetched, dontcha think?  Knowing the man, can you really believe that?

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Of course I don't believe that!  Nor did I say that.  Let's hope the country doesn't fall into the same fear of Muslims that it did after 9/11.  If this is deemed a terrorist attack, which it wasn't......

I don't think Obama wants to escalate, but I think his State Dept and generals and Rahm do want that...IMO they will look for a reason and if the country falls into paranoia and blood lust again, they may get their way.  Obama is staying cool and hopefully that will keep the country calm and still wanting out of the ME.  Can you imagine what the troops ready to be deployed soon are going thru?  Frankly, I would like to see the whole base just say ENUF, NO, we're not going.

In gen'l, the country is very on edge, frightened and easily manipulated.

That said, I had a great time dancing, thank you for wishing that for me.

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And Al Gore looked fabulous last night.

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- "Of course I don't believe that! Nor did I say that."

By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 10:25 AM EST

Yes, you did.  You have a tendency to make outrageous statements and then back-peddle away from them when challenged.  This is a pattern.

 

From your posts: 

The people are against more war, Obama is in the process of making a decision, the military is yelling BOO as usual and wanting to invade everybody.  In politics, big things are timed to coincide with other big or bigger things.

What if this is twisted by our craven critters/media to be like a false flag, riling up the already scared Americans about the *evils* of Muslims, thereby justifying continued and escalating wars?

If this is used to add more troops...........:-(

Actually, I think it more accurate to say that when big things (like the Hasan murders) happen, there's an attitude of *let's not let a good opportunity go to waste.*

This is a *good* opportunity to rile up the Americans against Muslims.  Fear is a motivator.  If Obama feels he has the people with him, he'll escalate.  JMO

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puddle, lwc and I gleaned the logical implication of your comments and we didn't misunderstand anything.

 

 

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- This is an example of what dog called her out on - her dishonesty

By Love White Castles on Nov 7, 2009 11:11 AM EST

Either that or she's just a really poor communicator.

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- Hey--good morning:)

By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 11:16 AM EST

Well, her communication in her two posts re. war escalation via the Hasan incident are clear.

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- Good morning to you!

By Love White Castles on Nov 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST

Yeah, I know.  I just chalk it up to scaterred and random thoughts just thrown out for reasons only known to her.  As if the rest of us just eat and dream war 24/7 if we are not constantly hand wringing about it.

War sucks, most people get that.

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- madfloridian really knocks it outta the park with this one on charter schools

By seashell on Nov 7, 2009 4:29 AM EST
Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion
Sat Nov 07th 2009, 03:21 AM

This is the charter school system that has received 11 million dollars this year from Arne Duncan's Race to the Top stimulus money. More on the email sent by Dennis Bakke, the CEO below, but first a look at all the money they are getting.

From Schools Matter:

Imagine Charter Schools Receive $11,000,000 from Duncan's Stimulus Fund

Sylvia Smith, the Journal Gazette's Washington editor, has been doing a little digging of her own. Dennis Bakke, who has the lead role in the investigative piece reported below by Soderland and Stockman is getting fabulously wealthy from Federal education dollars, with no oversight, no accountability, no scientific evidence, no local control, and with the blessings of the President and his Sec. of Ed. Amazing and all true.

"WASHINGTON – Imagine charter schools in seven states and the District of Columbia have received more than $11 million from the federal stimulus program this year.

Including $971,950 sent to Imagine schools in Fort Wayne and $493,689 given to Imagine schools in Indianapolis, facilities throughout the country received a share of the stimulus money that was funneled through state education departments.


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- I don't get it, what's the issue?

By Love White Castles on Nov 7, 2009 11:28 AM EST

I read the link - who is getting fabulously wealthy?  Can you explain in your own words the issue here please?

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2009 4:39 AM EST

No continuum of care...if every American had an electronic medical record that could be accessed at any point of care location, an ER, a clinic, essentially anywhere a patient walks in for care, a doctor could make a better decision on how to treat.

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very true and if every American had an electronic medical record the insurance companies could easily sort through the 30 million Americans who will now be forced to buy health insurance by Congress and triple their profits

 

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By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 10:16 AM EST

"very true and if every American had an electronic medical record the insurance companies could easily sort through the 30 million Americans who will now be forced to buy health insurance by Congress and triple their profits"--

No.  There has always been a significant amount of Luddite-based fear around electronic medical records (EMR's).

You would benefit from researching HIPAA guidelines, particularly the definition of "protected health information" in section 164.501.

That insurers have access to our treatment information at all is a result of the shift to managed care in this country over 25 years ago.

Insurers fall into the HIPAA category of "covered entities" which are bound by restrictions and limitations imposed by HIPAA.  You might google covered entities and HIPAA and learn something as well.

But again, whether your medical record is paper or electronic record your insurer does have (unfortunately) restricted access to your records.

There is no reason to assume that if EMR's were created under a national format that insurance providers could demand a read of every single American for the purpose of culling out the uncovered.

 

 

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By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 10:18 AM EST

However, if the new health care plan does ultimately includes a requirement of coverage an uncovered person may not be discovered until the first time they seek treatment.  Nothing to do with EMR's, in other words.

There is a plethora of literature on the medical benefits to standardized, mobile EMR's.  My partner is quite conversant with this literature as a function of her medical research career.

While your response is quite common it is uninformed.

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- The news is so negative

By seashell on Nov 7, 2009 4:46 AM EST

I'm signing off to watch the taped "Ugly Betty."   And it's late.

It would appear Arne Duncan is turning into a public school nightmare...and with our tax dollars.  I didn't like him when he was chosen, and like him even less now.   Poor choice for Sec/Ed.  Poor for us, good for the Money Party.  :-(

Few good dems; no more decent repugs, just the Bi-Polar/War/Money Party.

I'm thinking the only way to stop this is for the middle class to stop paying taxes and for progressives to stop funding 99% of dems; just stop already.  And if repugs are then elected, they won't be able to do much w/o our tax  dollars. 

At this point, I see no other way to get our country back, short of violence, which I don't advocate.

But a national tax strike...............!!!  :-)

Too extreme?  lol

 

 

 

 

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- Too extreme? lol

By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2009 5:00 AM EST

it does put you in the sheeple pen with the herd the wingnuts want to stampede away from Obama and Michele Bachman is standing there with her crook

as to floridagal's point

an expert Dean of a School of Education on a talk show I was listening to while harvesting said this was the fifth consecutive Administration to push towards privatization, the weakest of the five being H.W. Bush

Arne Duncan is no friend of the traditional public school. largest resources are sent elsewhere

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- my own point of view

By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2009 5:04 AM EST

is that the most bang for the buck in global competitiveness from education is grants and stipends in grad schools

and in pre-school at the other end

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- Traditional public schools are failing us Phil

By Love White Castles on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM EST

It's pretty well documented.  Don't forget I was on a school board.  What is wrong with giving children alternative options?  Charter schools ARE public schools.

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By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2009 4:50 AM EST

my favorite wingnut and I were having a conversation about Ft. Hood and he too said they should kick all the muslims out of the military

they will use any event to gin up the fear, have for years now

thanks for the warning seashell

the new wingnuttiest twist on secret muslim Obama is that Hasan was on his transition team and it is an Administration plot

I don't call them wingnuts for nothing.

but if they can get a sheeple stampede of 6-8% to turn and run for protection to the arms of the right they win a midterm landslide so will attempt to use the incident

one is not being hysterical to note this

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By cChal on Nov 7, 2009 10:30 AM EST

"my favorite wingnut and I were having a conversation about Ft. Hood and he too said they should kick all the muslims out of the military

they will use any event to gin up the fear, have for years now

thanks for the warning seashell"------

Doesn't pass the smell test.  Everyone that blogs here is well-informed, most moreso than seashell, truth be told.  None of us needed her to "warn us" that the far right would use the Hasan incident to fuel fears about muslims.  Well, perhaps you did?

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- biggest joke of the week

By Phil Specht on Nov 7, 2009 5:07 AM EST

I'm still on savings time because my cows want the same old same old first feeding and are resisting change

one of these nights I'm going to get my extra hour but will use it combining

 

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- Phil........

By Michael Ellis on Nov 7, 2009 8:13 AM EST

you actually TALK to your cows?

Please consider travel............

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By Hu Jo on Nov 7, 2009 7:32 AM EST

 

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- Morning...

By Luther Biggs on Nov 7, 2009 8:14 AM EST
  1. "The hour and a half just before sunrise, a time-span considered the most auspicious for daily spiritual practices." 
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