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- Howard Dean is first.

By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:00 PM EDT

and the Hawkeyes are 9-0 !!!!!

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293042294

the game was very much in doubt until late in the 4th playing in hurricane winds and both QBs throwing interceptions, for the eighth time Iowa came from behind to dominate the fourth qtr.

not the best team in the country just the guts of a great team

another week will pass in Iowa without much thought to politics even with election day

and in Wisconsin all eyes are on Brett Favre

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:04 PM EDT

the President has sent the nomination of one of the pesticide industry flacks that bad mouthed Michelle's organic garden to the Senate to be confirmed Ag Rep on the Trade Team 

unbelievable

I'll see if I can find out why.

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- Obama obviously has a reason of his own

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT

but it makes little sense to me.

 

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- Joan Tebow set a record I thought was safe by running for a couple more TD's

By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT

 on a more serious note I thought he wasn't going to hire lobbyists. what gives?

(yikes, I'm starting to sound like seashell, bbl)

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- For the Record...

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT

The liberal elite is smug and patronising

Anyone who unbalances the equilibrium is quietly excluded from the debate

Terence Blacker

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/terence-blacker/the-liberal-elite-is-smug-and-patronising-532641.html

The lesson of what has just happened in America is that the wider world is drifting away, alienated. Liberals find it difficult to understand why this should be so. For decades the belief has taken hold that, if decent, warm, modern values are carefully explained, then goodness will prevail.

Years ago, summing up the defiant optimism of a generation that was determined to change an ossified older order, Bob Dylan sang: "Something is happening here and you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr Jones?"

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- Just for starters--

By Joan In Florida on Oct 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT

Liberals and progressives are Democrats and totally different from each other.

I do not class all Republicans as meatheads (though many of them probably are).

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By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 10:27 PM EDT

For the record...

I did not and would not use the word word meathead.

Main Entry: meat·head
Function: noun
Date: 1863

: a stupid or bungling person



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- - For the Record...

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 5:23 PM EDT

--cont---

The liberal elite is smug and patronising

Anyone who unbalances the equilibrium is quietly excluded from the debate

Terence Blacker

Now, weirdly, all that has changed. The Mr Joneses, beleaguered by forces that they do not understand, belong to the liberal elite. Where a previous generation deployed police and teargas to protect its position, resistance today is of a gentler, creepier kind. Those who disagree are shifted out to the margins and ignored. Columnists who break the consensus are forced to apologise. Politicians who let slip inappropriate views are vilified. Anyone who unbalances the equilibrium of decent, middle-of-the-road liberalism is quietly excluded from debate.

Clearly, it will not work. Far from winning new converts, it hardens positions on the outside. The time has come for liberals to take a less truculent approach towards those who disagree with them, to try persuading rather than mocking and patronising.* The alternative is a smug, smiling intolerance that will eventually defeat itself.

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/terence-blacker/the-liberal-elite-is-smug-and-patronising-532641.html

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*my edit

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- Luther and dog

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT

your posted vid has been taken down.  :-(

Anyway, this actually would be a State Department action. Obama may have been his own worst enemy by appointing warmongers to state such as Hillary, Eckleberry and Holbrooke.
This would be a great chance to use Bubba and Carter to promote world peace and eradication of poverty. It also requires a defensive grand strategy.

I agree, dog.  I also think Rahm was very much behind the State appointments.  I've read many times over the years that there is enuf food to feed the whole world.

 

 

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:50 PM EDT

wheat was in a pretty tight inventory supply world wide two years ago

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 5:55 PM EDT

there has to be something in it for farmers to produce a surplus because with climate change the year will come when they don't, and boom and bust might work for vulture capitalists on Wall Street but it is a poor way to feed a world

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- Hillary has been doing a great job.

By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 6:02 PM EDT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8335211.stm

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has urged the Israelis and Palestinians to restart talks "as soon as possible".

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- Wallace's Ever Secure Pantry. . . .

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 6:30 PM EDT

And don't forget: Daylight Saving Time ends tonight. . . .

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- Just put my computer clock back, so I'll be all adjusted by tomorrow, lol!

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
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- An extra night to party

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 7:05 PM EDT

They are boiling the carnitas down the block, getting ready!  Thanks for the reminder.

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By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 7:11 PM EDT

"Appointing somebody like Siddiqui to be the chief trade negotiator in our view enforces that the agenda is not going to change very much," Ozer said.

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And Obama's reasons for doing this are what?

Remember the genetically engineered corn that made men sterile (not altogether a bad idea :-)  ?  I wonder what's being messed with now and what's coming down the pike. Paranoid?  Yup, with good reason.  "Brave New World" and "1984."   Please pass the SOMA.

Isn't there a show called "World's Biggest Loser" or s/t like that?  I wonder what THOSE viewers are eating.  :-)

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- FDL

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 7:25 PM EDT

Grijalva Pushes Senate, Obama In Letter To Pelosi

While Rep. Raul Grijalva ostensibly wrote this letter to Nancy Pelosi, in reality he wrote it to Harry Reid and Barack Obama. In it, he asked for three changes to the “manager’s amendment” (a potential substitute to the current House bill with various changes) and an opportunity to bring an up or down vote on Medicare + 5% rates to the House floor (here’s the language of that amendment). Here are the changes sought:

Americans in every state in the nation must be able to take advantage of the benefits of the bill; thus the bill shall explicitly state that the public option must be available without any triggers or opt-out provisions.

If the Secretary is forced to negotiate provider reimbursement rates in the public plan, a ceiling shall be determined and set for such rates.

The bill shall fully repeal the McCarran Ferguson Act for health and medical malpractice insurance, as oppose to merely amending the Act.

This is clearly a recalibration of the minimum requirements for progressive support on the bill. Grijalva is seeking statutory language that would explicitly reject opt-outs or triggers. That directly comes out of the meeting with the White House and progressive House members where the President focused on opt-outs and triggers. Based on the other provisions, we can assume that the President may have brought them up as well.

By: David Dayen Friday October 30, 2009 2:29 pm

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- FDL...what we don't see

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT

 

Family photo of Ty Ziegel at his post in Iraq in 2004.

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Ty Ziegel has some help getting dressed in his Marine uniform for his wedding.

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Ty Ziegel at the candy store at his home in Washington, Illinois. When kids ask Ty what happened to his ears, he says, "the bad guys took them."

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Ty Ziegel and Renee Kline have their portrait taken before their wedding.

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- FDL more of what we don't see..and should

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT

 

Sgt. Tanner Stichter tends to a wounded Specialist Carl Vandenberge.

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Specialist Carl Vandenberge, right, and Staff Sgt. Kevin Rice, left, are assisted as they walk to a medevac helicopter after being shot by insurgents in the ambush.

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U.S. troops carry the body of Staff Sgt. Larry Rougle, who was killed when the insurgents ambushed their squad in the Korengal Valley.

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For every flag-draped coffin which arrives at Dover AFB, there are three more members of our Armed Forces who sustain life-altering wounds.

If you want our troops to be re-deployed, please put your concerns into action, by contacting your members of congress, preferably in person at their local offices. It is not necessary to have an appointment to go to their offices and make your thoughts known. And go back to their offices, write, and call as often as you can. Also, please convey your thoughts to the President.

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- Bill Moyers

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 7:36 PM EDT

same FDL page

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So here’s a suggestion. In a week or so, when the president announces he is escalating the war, let’s not hide the reality behind eloquence or animation. No more soaring rhetoric, please. No more video games. If our governing class wants more war, let’s not allow them to fight it with young men and women who sign up because they don’t have jobs here at home, or can’t afford college or health care for their families.

Let’s share the sacrifice. Spread the suffering. Let’s bring back the draft.

Yes, bring back the draft — for as long as it takes our politicians and pundits to "fix" Afghanistan to their satisfaction.

Bring back the draft, and then watch them dive for cover on Capitol Hill, in the watering holes and think tanks of the Beltway, and in the quiet little offices where editorial writers spin clever phrases justifying other people’s sacrifice. Let’s insist our governing class show the courage to make this long and dirty war our war, or the guts to end it.

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 8:10 PM EDT

Go Ducks. who needs baseball

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- who needs baseball....

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 10:14 PM EDT

Whooaaaa..... partner !!!

I do.

I'd like to "believe" there's a certain majesty to the game. Time can slow down to an incomprehensible period  - like it's standing still- when the pitcher faces the batter in a tense and pivotal moment - especially when it's win or go home.



 

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By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 8:29 PM EDT

 

Dwane Powell / Raleigh News and Observer (October 30, 2009)
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By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM EDT

LOL Mark Grace is a commentator?  That's just too weird.  And they call him Gracie.  Ha ha ha

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- goblin traffic has slowed

By Phil Specht on Oct 31, 2009 8:36 PM EDT

(what's with the Barbie resurgence?) time to sample the goodies

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- Just getting started here. Got my costume on

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 9:16 PM EDT

just waiting for nightfall.  I glow in the dark and I have Gummy Body Parts.  And chocolate in case I get those "wtf" looks.

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By FormerTurn on Oct 31, 2009 8:55 PM EDT

Following health reform is the financial reform.
Bunch of articles appeared recently about Madoff's lesson.
Reasonable reader may easily find out that there were more than enough regulations/regulators/agencies at that time already. The result was/is ZERO!

But it seems does not matter.

For how long more will endless racing after illusions continue?

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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59T4W720091031?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604&sp=true

"...it appeared the agency knew that goings-on at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC were improper but never followed through on their discoveries or on the allegations of chief whistleblower Harry Markopolos.

"I don't think we should worry about Bernie finding out to whom we speak .... we are not telling anybody that we have found anything improper (except for his lies to us, of course)," one SEC investigator wrote in a May 16, 2006 e-mail."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/business/31sec.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

"...The paperwork gathered from the agency’s files also tell a tale of unseasoned, poorly managed people who were uncertain about what to do and unwilling to ask for help. In numerous instances, employees would share their doubts about Mr. Madoff in notes or e-mail messages, but then never take steps to press for more information."

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By FormerTurn on Oct 31, 2009 10:06 PM EDT

It's fun to watch history record..., gives you better understanding who is who.

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By FormerTurn on Oct 31, 2009 10:19 PM EDT

What if...?

 

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By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 10:20 PM EDT



PHI

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NYY

0

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By FormerTurn on Oct 31, 2009 10:33 PM EDT

Imagine...!

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- About Philadelphia....

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 10:44 PM EDT

 

"Socially, Philadelphia was still a fairly provincial city, its business community governed by the mores of the Main Line. Politically, it was a cauldron of ethnic rivalries, dominated by competing Irish and Italian constituencies." -
  --  Andrea Mitchell

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By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 10:48 PM EDT



PHI

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NYY

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- Just tied it up, boo

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 10:57 PM EDT

I had a blast tonight, still am.  One guy came by on a bike, saw my costume (glow in dark really bloody skeleton mask, and I'm in all black from head to toe, long black skirt) and he screamed.  I was hysterical with laughter.  Two little boys didn't want to get their candy, they were in tears.  I took off the mask so they saw it was just me - then forgot about the dark black circles around my eyes.  He cried again

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- Anni is MIA

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 10:51 PM EDT

Does anyone know how to reach her?  She's not listed in the Keystone Heights, FL telephone book.  I talked with a live operator.  She's not answering her emails..........and she's been MIA for weeks now, maybe 6 or so.  And she lives alone.

Can anyone help with this?

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- Did she leave a vacation notice with the local police?

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 11:38 PM EDT

I do when I'm gone for extended periods of time.  She might just be on a nice long vacation.  Hope so. 

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By FormerTurn on Oct 31, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

What it means to be "progressive Democrat" vs. "conservative Republican"?

Another good Doctor is completely messing this "clarity" up...lol.

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- this is getting verrrry interesting...and I GOOGLED this lol looking for the NY race I heard about

By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 11:01 PM EDT

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g13bfgR0OluyiOwDkbeKOefkp36wD9BMAL1O1

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Indeed, a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll released last week found that trust in government is at a 12-year low, and half of all Americans now support the creation of a new political party.

Both parties ignore such sentiment at their peril in 2010 and perhaps into the 2012 presidential race.

In Senate contests from Florida and Kentucky to New Hampshire next year, conservatives furious at the Republican establishment are mounting primary challenges against more mainstream candidates favored by the national party.

On the other side, Democratic strategists worry that progressives, disgusted by the big money bank bailout and disillusioned with President Barack Obama's lack of fight on issues such as a government-run health insurance plan, might keep some people from voting. That could cost Democrats seats up and down the ballot.

Political operatives are keeping an eye on independent voters — an important and growing group that often decides elections. Will these voters send a signal to politicians Tuesday as well or will they stay home and leave it to the more ideologically driven base voters in both parties?

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- World Series...

By Luther Biggs on Oct 31, 2009 11:09 PM EDT

 

  Yanks ahead 5-3, man on second... Kate Hudson .. errr, A-rod @ the plate.

   Time for another vodka martini.........

 

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By seashell on Oct 31, 2009 11:10 PM EDT

We are getting hints that the repug party may split. If dems are smart, they will also split and give us progressive candidates.  If they split, the progressives win IMO, since the country is sick of war, banks and everything icky that repugs generally stand for.  The country is not center right unless center right means peace, single payer, good roads etc.

We could have 4 major parties going by 2012 or sooner.

This is very good news indeed.  The progessives (dems?) would win.  My prediction...the Indies would take them over the top.

The people may be waking up and we have Stewart, Maher and Colbert to thank for it, since they draw in the youth, who then influence (wake up) the elders.

Hearing about the split in NY and NJ fills me with hope that the dems might learn something from this.

It's certainly no secret that x number of progressive dems are frustrated with Obama.

When the student is ready.............   :-)

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- Wishful thinking.

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
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- NY 6, Phil 4

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 11:37 PM EDT

Getting there :)

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- heh ~~ talk about wishful thinking, lol!

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 11:38 PM EDT
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- Wishing a charliehorse on Pettitte. . . .

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 11:40 PM EDT
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- LOL

By Love White Castles on Oct 31, 2009 11:41 PM EDT

I love baseball

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- This is ma hunny's team (since he was 8 or 9. . . )

By puddle on Oct 31, 2009 11:45 PM EDT

*I* Grew up in SLC; then DC ~~ did I even have a prayer of having a team?

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- Orioles. Mebbe.

By puddle on Nov 1, 2009 12:01 AM EDT
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- Jim Palmer, swoon

By Love White Castles on Nov 1, 2009 12:05 AM EDT

Met him when he was signing his book back in the late 70's at the book store in Sears Tower.  Pic is still on the fridge, man was I skinny LOL.  That's why it's on the fridge.

7-4, dang it

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- 8-4, Matsui over the wall

By Love White Castles on Nov 1, 2009 12:08 AM EDT

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- Orioles. Mebbe.

By puddle on Nov 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT
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- oops

By puddle on Nov 1, 2009 6:45 AM EST
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- You Betcha

By seashell on Nov 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT

Would you rather many of the peeps who voted for Obama stay home? 

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By mary vb on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 PM EDT

GO DUCKS!!!!!

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