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- Howie IS first. That's all. No more.

By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 5:23 PM EDT

Beautiful Indian Summer day here: sunny, breezy, 73º!  Could hardly ask for more.  And if I could, I wouldn't.

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- cC

By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 5:24 PM EDT

Saw your comment on picking candidates by platform.  ThanX!

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- Well well well

By seashell on Oct 24, 2009 5:50 PM EDT

I'm well aware that in war atrocities are committed on both sides.  Israel, BY FAR, committed more...Duh!

I don't visit the Jeruselem Times or Al Jezeera to back up MY point of view.  I bring in other PsOV to counter-act the constant Obama la la landia here.  Other peoples' opinions count, IMO, and I have seen no proof that Counterpunch is anti-Semitic.  Jimmy Carter has been called anti-Semitic.  Does that make it so?

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puddle, you've stated that you're to the left of Kucinich, yet you consistently take the AIPAC/Israel/repug POV.  I find that odd.

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Susan,  thank you for your posts last thread.  It's discouraging to know that this gov't also tries to inhibit free speech.

Go, Weiner! 

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Obama's in trouble on at least 2 fronts; healthcare and foreign policy.  If he doesn't push hard for medicare for all, leaving some millions uninsured, it'll come back to bite him.  With the ME and S. Asia, he's in a *look before you leap and he who hesitates is lost* situation.

My suggestion is to fire the generals, especially get rid of Betrayus (since there are rumbles about him running) and start pulling out.  So the repugs will yell.  So what?  His main problem is that he still wants to please both the repugs and the progressives...so we'll all be mad at him.  And the repugs take back congress and win in 2010 and 2012.

Obama needs to twist arms.

 

 

 

 

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By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 6:28 PM EDT

- Look what went unnoticed in our CM

By seashell on Dec 24, 2008 8:00 PM EST

http://aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=195956

By Jonathan Cook

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Howard is First

By seashell on Jan 29, 2009 1:52 AM EST


Carter says Hamas must be included
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Israel's 22-day assault on Gaza has left the Palestinian territory devastated [Reuters]

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- It's people like this who give Christianity a very bad name

By seashell on May 5, 2009 3:29 AM EDT

Source: Al Jazeera

Probe call in Afghan 'convert' row

 

 

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- puddle, you've stated that you're to the left of Kucinich, yet you consistently take the AIPAC/Israel/repug POV. I find that odd.

By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT

 

 

Have to talk to Political Compass, lol!   My views on Israel have been pretty consistent over my lifetime.  Sometime while I was in China, the Republicans coopted them.  The Dems followed like sheeple, along with what looks to be the Indies, and here we are.

 

I'm simply glad I haven't backed *myself* into a position where I have to defend a bunch of murdering thugs like Hamas. . . .

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- How would you classify.........

By Michael Ellis on Oct 24, 2009 10:49 PM EDT

the irgun and Stern Gangs (if you know what they were).................in some peoples minds they were freedom fighters...viewed much like those "murdering thugs" you claim.................

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- I find that odd.

By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 6:35 PM EDT

Perhaps not as odd as I find an "indy" talking about primarying candidates on the peace issue. . . .  Since indys give up the right to "primary" any issue. . . .

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- Greenwald..Salon

By seashell on Oct 24, 2009 7:21 PM EDT

 

Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 06:25 PDT

"America's Priorities," by the Beltway elite

Endless war in Afghanistan is an absolute necessity. Health care for Americans is a luxury that can wait.
By Glenn Greenwald

Something very unusual happened on The Washington Post Editorial Page today:  they deigned to address a response from one of their readers, who "challenged [them] to explain what he sees as a contradiction in [their] editorial positions":  namely, the Post demands that Obama's health care plan not be paid for with borrowed money, yet the very same Post Editors vocally support escalation in Afghanistan without specifying how it should be paid for.  "Why is it okay to finance wars with debt, asks our reader, but not to pay for health care that way?"

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By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 9:21 PM EDT

10.24.2009

Despite Claims, Anti-Gay Group in Maine More Dependant on Out-of-State Funds

by Nate Silver @ 6:50 PM

In a fundraising plea to his mailing list this past week, Marc Multy, the President of the anti-gay marriage Group Stand for Marriage Maine, described his opponents as having "amassed a war chest from the homosexual political elite from nearly every corner of the country to impose their will on Mainers like us."


Indeed, the pro-gay marriage group No on 1 Protect Maine Equality has raised more than $2.30 million in itemized contributions from outside the state of Maine; this is more than the $1.82 million that Stand for Marriage Maine has raised from out-of-state.
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- Thinking about words, and their importance. . . .

By puddle on Oct 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT

Couldn't use the word the community itself prefers. . . .  rather the biggol *scary*  Ho Mo Sex You All. . . .

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- puddle

By seashell on Oct 24, 2009 9:29 PM EDT

Indies can vote in primaries here if we temporarily designate a party, which I did....from Indie to Dem back to Indie.  :-)

I'm not sure being Israel's "protectorate" is healthy for us.  It will certainly make the rest of the ME hate us more.  :-(  If that's possible.

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By Phil Specht on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT

the Hawkeyes are the real deal

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- Well Phil.......

By Michael Ellis on Oct 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT

they may be the envy of Kicock and Lost nation, Iowa...........but the rest of the country (and media) are praying we wont see them on new years day....................Boise State would be a great draw...................

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- It won't be New Years Day it will be later in the week.

By Phil Specht on Oct 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT

what football was invented to be

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By Phil Specht on Oct 24, 2009 11:10 PM EDT
By Saeed Shah | McClatchy Newspapers

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistani forces Saturday captured the hometown of the chief of the country's Taliban movement, officials announced, the first big gain in the weeklong ground offensive in South Waziristan.

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By Phil Specht on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT

ames Werrell | The Rock Hill Herald

Why is anyone still listening to Dick Cheney?

Former President George W. Bush has had the good grace to go into seclusion and not stand on the sidelines second-guessing every move made by his successor. Cheney, by contrast, has taken it upon himself to serve as the chief critic of the Obama administration and chief defender of the Bush administration, even if it requires rewriting history.

Cheney, of course, is fighting to rescue not only Bush's legacy but also his own. That will be a difficult, if not impossible, task.

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It is a legacy that includes his involvement in promoting a war in Iraq with cherry-picked intelligence warning of weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist. His legacy includes Abu Ghraib and a policy that condoned torture of terrorist suspects; the Valerie Plame scandal; unwarranted surveillance of U.S. citizens; and, just before leaving office, the collapse of the global economy.

Cheney has his work cut out for him in whitewashing that record. But give him points for trying.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/77670.html?storylink=omni_popular

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