WASHINGTON - Undersized gusset plates in the Interstate 35-W bridge in Minneapolis were “the critical factor” in the bridge collapse last year that killed 13 people and injured 100, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.

Chairman Mark Rosenker said the plates, which connected steel beams, were roughly half the thickness they should have been because of a design error. Investigators found 16 fractured gusset plates from the bridge’s center span, he said.

“It is the undersizing of the design which we believe is the critical factor here. It is the critical factor that began the process of this collapse. That’s what failed,” Rosenker said

The Minneapolis bridge was a steel-deck truss bridge that opened in 1967. Rosenker said it wasn’t clear how the design flaw made it into the bridge because investigators couldn’t find the design calculations.

Once they made it into the completed bridge, he said, there was little chance they would be noticed by inspectors.

Well I guess it was not Bush's fault after all, despite all you blogging to the contrary.  Another lesson in getting the facts first and assigning blame only then.  When they find the engineer from 1967 you can point the finger at him at a nursing home near you.

Dean is very first :-)

bubba is drooling..so many interns, so little time.
yep, we need him prowling the halls again.

Now that you're a Democrat or whatever, please leave that kind of talk to the Republicans.

Woodward would call that a non-denial denial.  All my hard core Dem friends are dreading the thought of him back in action in the lime light.  If he was a guy you knew at work and got caught in the back room with the secretary would you hang out with him thereafter.  Would you think he was little odd.  That maybe his impulse control was lacking.  That embarrassing his wife and daughter that way would make you flinch.  Would your wife let you go out for a beer with him or would she prohibit it.  Telling answers when you think about it. 

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/15/122854/835/68/437244

This is good for Democrats as this looks like it could really go to the convention. Maybe Fred can Rally in SC and Rudy in FL then everyone will have won 1 primary before Super Tuesday. 

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And The First Exit Polls in Michigan Say...

Romney 35, McCain 29, Huckabee 15, Ron Paul 10, Giuliani 4. This doesn't count absentee ballots."

Just a quick hello again,

Puddle, thank you for the websites.  I have skimmed them and bookmarked them. I appreciate your clearing up my muddle, you also, Thankful.  You are all a presence here, much loved.  

And Annilow, thanks for the information.  It's good to know that I'm not totally off the beam in my assertions. I don think race is not only inaccurate but also totally irrelevant.

We'll watch the debates tonight. I really want to see how the candidates interact.  There's a whole bunch of knowledge that can be discerned in tone of voice, word choice, nonverbal behavior.

So, off again. Thanks once more. 

This is from MyDD.com

Senior [McCain] Adviser Steve Schmidt strolled back into the press section of their charter plane en route from Traverse City to Yspilanti to start framing potential results.

"Regardless of what happens here, we feel very good about South Carolina," Schmidt said.  

Michigan, Schmidt said repeatedly, amounts to a home game for Romney.  

"I think he ran a favorite state candidacy -- we'll see if it works."

Predictably, Schmidt said the stakes were enormous for Romney here.

Regarding his own candidate, Schmidt said it wouldn't have a lot of impact either way.

"I think that if we win in Michigan, we get a little bit of a bump and I think that if we lose, we take, maybe, a quarter step back, but i don't think it's a big deal any way," Schmidt argued.

Assuming McCain does lose, as I think he will, that will be two primaries in a row where the momentum garnered from a prior win has dissipated in mere days, perhaps a sort of citizens' revolt against the tendency of the media to coronate a winner? At a more local level, it will also speak to the success of Sen. Levin and Gov. Granholm to inject the economy into the presidential debate through their moving the Michigan primary up; in fact, it may end up having singlehandedly derailed the candidacy of the strongest candidate the Republicans have, one for whom the economy is an admitted weakness.

Stat Man - Thanks for the polling info from Michigan. I guess it isn't over for Romney.

I really like this candidate, a lot. It was difficult for me to choose only three. But I'm going send him a contribution and ask my hubby to choose him as one of his top three. He wrote to me and hubby over the holidays asking for our support. Great guy. He wrote back and answered all of my questions.

btw, He used the DFA-Link to contact us. It's a great tool. Folks should use it more.


Check out his beautiful new baby daughter: http://www.waltnerforcongress.com/cont/i...

Is JE really running 2nd in all those states posted on the last thread?

This is huge news.  Why then is it a race between HC and BO?  Oh, yes, the CMWs ... the ones that JE wants to break up.

OK, now I'm totally confused.  Why are we trying to raise vast amounts of money this Friday if the debate is tonight?  Phil, explain this please.  Is it becuz of SC?  I've not been following along the last few days very much...it got too nasty in here.

HC/EB ....is that really serious?

MSNBC reporting that national polls show that McCain would beat BO and HC.  JE would have a better chance against McCain.

It's really time now to think of electability against a very possible McCain -  altho dems seem to be very self-destructive these many years.  

Nader needs to read John Edwards' web site. He is wrong on most of his points as regards to Edwards positions..

83. Huron John

Nice to learn that Phil. His message is getting lost in all the backbiting from C&O supporters (and from the unforgiving Sitka).

Has the most unforgiving of all, Huron John, gotten a memorectomy and converted to Edwardianism?

Click on the horses to hear their choir. http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_...

It's really time now to think of electability

Only if it's really time now to think of canards. 

national polls don't mean diddly at this stage. We've had one caucus and one primary. The polls can and will change depending upon who wins the next caucus/primaries.

"Now that you're a Democrat or whatever....."

That goes for you too. If you can't crawl out of the gutter, just stick with the GOP. 

Very sensible. 

Well I guess it was not Bush's fault after all, despite all you blogging to the contrary.  Another lesson in getting the facts first and assigning blame only then. --

...and you can write that post-presidency, fact-free tome, "Bushie Was The Greatest President" as there will be little competition for that one and you have a lot of time on your hands, it would seem.  

Is JE really running 2nd in all those states posted on the last thread?

Aside from collaborating with Bush, being in 2nd is Edwards' most enduring political talent. 

MSNBC reporting that national polls show that McCain would beat BO and HC.  JE would have a better chance against McCain.

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seashell,

Remember my prediction..............recall when Mccain was dead in the water last year...........i said he would return to win the nomination.................Obama and Hillary are too devisive, as witnessd by the last 24 hours................

The petition to the reporters says: "The American public deserves to know where all the candidates stand on the climate crisis and the solutions they propose to address it. Asking those questions is your responsibility."

The media help decide what's an "issue" in the '08 election. Unless climate change is on the '08 election agenda, it won't be on the next president's agenda. And the UN's top climate expert warned: "If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two or three years will determine our future."2

Climate change is one of the most pressing issues of our time. And polls show that voters care about it.3 But somehow, the TV networks never got the memo. NBC's top political reporter, Tim Russert, didn't ask a single question about global warming last year. Same for Sunday political show hosts on CBS and ABC. CNN asked just 1. Incredibly, Republican-leaning Fox bested them all with a grand total of 2.

Our friends at the League of Conservation Voters will deliver your signature and comment directly to the TV networks at a press conference in front of their Washington, D.C., headquarters. And they'll use our petition signatures to prove there's public demand for TV anchors to ask about climate change.

do. –Noah, Wes, Ilyse, Justin, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
  Tuesday, January 15th, 2008

Obama and Hillary are too devisive

Except that Obama didn't DO anything but get smeared by Hillary, Bill, and their minions. 

It's actually funny that Obama is derided for being divisive and unifying at the same time!

Supposedly, the money has been delivered and NH will be recounted. 

I told you there were 15 on our ballot.  I was wrong.  There were 20.  Albert Howard is one of them.  He's getting the Republican recount. 

After giving Obama due credit for taking the high road, it seems fair to acknowledge that the Clinton's remarks were stretched by the media to imply more than they intended. Might be wise for all Dem campaigns to eschew the circular firing squad approach going forward and save the more splenetic denunciations for the real adversaries. They would be the GOP guys chortling on the sidelines.

Perhaps we should cap the whole thing with an appropriate quote from the mature, prophetic voice of one who was born on this day 79 years ago, but who never saw his 40th birthday. "Our enemies will adequately deflate our accomplishments. We need not serve them as eager volunteers."

3. Fox Mulder

"Now that you're a Democrat or whatever....."

That goes for you too. If you can't crawl out of the gutter, just stick with the GOP. 

Happy Birthday, Dr. King :-)

Hey, Thankful:)

Nice to "see" you! 

Reality check on Michael Bloomberg:

"If he runs, he will be elected as the President of the United States," Bailey said. "He is going to be elected."

Bailey and Rafshoon both mentioned more than a few times the creation of their new website: DraftMichaelBloomberg.com. On the Web site, readers can petition to "persuade" Mayor Bloomberg to run for president. About two hours after the news conference, they had gotten 115 signatures online.

Whoa. What a remarkable outpouring of support! Within just two hours of the effort being widely publicized, almost 116 people had signed the petition asking Bloomberg to run.

Sure, tens of thousands of people signed petitions asking Al Gore to run for President this cycle and well over a hundred thousand similarly asked Wes Clark to run for President back in the summer of 2003. But more than 100 signatures in two hours -- what a stunning pace!

Clearly, America is pining for Bloomberg to run, offering an outpouring of support that makes the more than 500,000 Americans who have donated to the campaign of Barack Obama and the hundreds of thousands who have donated to other candidates this cycle quake in their boots.

You can hear the train a'comin', and it's name is "Draft Michael Bloomberg."

(hat tip: MyDD) 

FLASH

Kucinich is out of the debate tonight.

Nevada Supreme Court rules in favor of MSNBC.

Dennis Kucinich will not be allowed on the debate.

Huckabee wants to change the Constitution to make it reflect Xtian values.

God help us, even if he's VP. 

It's quite clear that Sitka is an Obama supporter.  That's fine, but why not own up to it?  :-)

I don't agree that the media stretched Clinton's (or her surrogates) remarks. Keith Olbermann and Richard Wolffe just did some excellent dissection of this whole race skirmish. Today Clinton said she was *personally hurt* about it all. WTF?

31. & 33.

Wow!

Hi Mary vb.  I think her remarks were blown out of context.  Actually, I think the most reasonable dissection came from Obama himself.

Smear? Excuse me? The Democratic nominee doesn't need  to be selected based on GOP smears from the 90's.

::waving:: Nice to 'see' you, too, Cc

multi-tasking here so in and out

8:22 pm est

35.

Mary

Today Clinton said she was *personally hurt* about it all. WTF?

The emotional card worked once, why not again. You won't know unless you try.

It's quite clear that Sitka is an Obama supporter.  That's fine, but why not own up to it?  :-) 

When you blind yourself in one eye, you only see half the picture -- the half you want to.

I just posted a remark (or maybe more) about Obama on a previous thread that I'm sure his supportrs thought indicated I support one of the others. 

Take care of your other eye or you'll be completely blind. ;-) 

The cands will be able to question each other which could be very stimulating or very *walking on egging."  :-)

Today Clinton said she was *personally hurt* about it all. WTF?

Play the race card -- then the gender card. How dumb are Democrats? We'll see. 

So,Sitka, are you a self-proclaimed Socratic thorn?  Do you intend to vote? 

 OTW, are you supporting anyone at all?

Yes, cC. I think the *media* is just now playing catch up. Are they lazy? Probably. For days we've been hearing about the race bickering. It was wholly one-sided. Obama is trying to remain above the fray. Sadly, every day people just pay attention to sound bites.

Even in the five boroughs of New York City, where Bloomberg is best known by voters know him best, he does not finish above 28% no matter who his Democratic or Republican opponents would be.

Since the environment isn't being discussed much, I wonder what Al will do?

I'm going to look for alliances in the making tonight.  Last time it was JE and BO..... 

I just mentioned a JE/BO ticket to a friend...he said he'd never thought of that and found it very intriguing. 

I think BO would be thrilled to be 2nd, with a chance to be prez in 8 years.  It would be a strong ticket IMO.

No matter the winner, the state's GOP primary promised to further roil a volatile nomination fight that lacks a clear favorite.

In very early returns, Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, was narrowly leading McCain, the Arizona senator who was hoping that independents and Democrats would join Republicans to help him repeat his 2000 triumph here. Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, trailed.

"Michigan is going to vote for a Romney again!" declared Romney, whose father was Michigan's governor in the 1960s.

"Ugly Betty"  is a Clinton fan.  :-( 

BO and HC...blah blah blah

So,Sitka, are you a self-proclaimed Socratic thorn?

More like the guy who shovels up manure at the circus.

Do you intend to vote? 

I will indeed. My ballot should arrive any day. I don't have to support anyone to do that.

 OTW, are you supporting anyone at all?

I imagine Edwardiacs, Hillaroids, and Obamians all think I'm secretly supporting one of the others.

Today Clinton said she was *personally hurt* about it all. WTF?

Play the race card -- then the gender card. How dumb are Democrats? We'll see. 

I can't believe these questions - what a waste of time, so far.

Too bad if some of you don't like my bubba bashing; or the way I do it.
Tuff,
Bubba's legacy is stained (along with a certain blue dress) by is lack of self-control. If you think I rip him, just wait until the Repubs gear up; you ain't heard nothing yet.
The best thing bubba could do is sit this one out. It always has to be about him. When HC is critisized. let her handle it. STFU bill and go grab a dougnut.

Oops, BO just may have told a little white lie about "You're likeable enuf, Hillary." 

I think BO would be thrilled to be 2nd

That's almost as funny as you asking Obamians to dump their guy and join Edwards to stop hillary. 

Since Obama's currently vying for 1st with Hillary, and Edwards for 2nd to either, I would expect your guyto be the one thrilled with it.

Agree, Denise.  No issues

I never asked Obama supporters to dump their guy. Show me the quote.

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White lie? He said it didn't come out the way he meant it and clarified it, Seashell, or didn't you hear that part, maybe?

Too bad if some of you don't like my bubba bashing; or the way I do it.

Actually, I've come to expect nothing more from you but scarcely repressed GOPery .

So is anybody crying at the debates?

27. Fox Mulder

Smear? Excuse me? The Democratic nominee doesn't need  to be selected based on GOP smears from the 90's.

It is only a "smear" if it is untrue, and if not for DNA testing, he would still be denying it all. And even today you defend him as if it never happened.  Don't you remember those days with Madeline Albright coming out to pledge her support only to dscover he was lying to her as well.  This is the crowd you want back in???  BO is a good and faithful husband that would go along way to unite this country.

What did the audience guy just shout about about race?

White lie? He said it didn't come out the way he meant it and clarified it, Seashell, or didn't you hear that part, maybe?

LOL. Since her conversion to Edwardianism, Sea has lost half of her memory, sight, and hearing! 

That's really all it takes to support him. 

Oh man, someone in the audience was pretty loud and said that the moderators were asking race based questions.

Denise, maybe he's telling the truth, maybe he isn't.  Let's not quarrel.  This debate is a joke.

Sitka, please stop your personal attacks.  You're way overboard.

I'm not quarreling Sea just setting the record straight for all to read.

It is only a "smear" if it is untrue

You screed was a gross exagerration of what happened and therefor untrue and a smear.

Sitka, please stop your personal attacks.  You're way overboard.

I guess that's what I should have said to you in the first place.

But it is an observable fact that ignoring Edwards' record is the first thing those who once condemned him must now do in order to support him. 

How about 3 presidents?  They all are having a love fest and it's too big a job for one person anyway.

All for President!   

Sitka, read my lips.  I'm aware of his record; also the records of the others.  Stop already!  You're becoming quite annoying and I want to continue to like you.

It is only a "smear" if it is untrue

You screed was a gross exagerration of what happened and therefor untrue and a smear.

A dollar in 1950 will buy only 12 cents worth of goods today, 88% less than before. Inflation in my adult years increased average prices 1,000% or more:

• example 1: a postage stamp in the 1950s cost 3 cents; today's cost is 41 cents - 1,266% inflation;
• example 2: a gallon of 90 Octane full-service gasoline cost 18 cents before; today it is $3.05 for self-service - 1,870 % inflation;
• example 3: a house in 1959 cost $14,100; today's median price is $213,000 - 1,400% inflation;
• example 4: a dental crown used to cost $40; today it's $1,100 - 2,750% inflation;
• example 5: an ice cream cone in 1950 cost 5 cents; today its $2.50 - 4,900% inflation;
• example 6: monthly government Medicare insurance premiums paid by seniors was $5.30 in 1970; its now $93.50 - 1,664% inflation; (and up 70% past 5 years)

example: several generations ago a person worked 1.4 months per year to pay for government; he now works 5 months.

Time to throw water on the blog..............again..........................

No need, Michael.  I'll not be here much anymore.  Maybe late night for D&G.

Oops, 'Cain came in second in Michigan.  Well, it seems that the Republican Primary vote would rather have smoke blown up their a$$, than the straight truth express...

wait...no, that will work for now.

Time to throw water on the blog..............again..........................

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Ah, what's wrong with pregnant chaos?

Before voting, five people met at our house to see if voting was even worth it. We are probably the only democrats in two townships.
The only viable candidates were HC and Dennis.
We could either vote uncommitted or for one of the candidates. It is possible an uncommited vote would go to HC. It is also possible that Dennis might hand his delegates to HC.
The ones who decided to vote went to our polling place. We opted not to vote which is the first time I didn't cast a possible vote since my VN service.
The Michigan dems really blew it. We have been slowly going Repub and it is iffy this year. The economy is in the tank. A very rich and very Repub right wingnut will probably win the governorship. I don't understand why it was so important to move the primary up. The many Detroit area Dems keep this state in the blue category and they are getting itchy with JE and BO not on the ballot.

ha, ha, ha!

Romney wins Michigan!

Well, that sure weakens the rethugs more!!

No need, Michael.  I'll not be here much anymore.  Maybe late night for D&G.  \

Do you notice the same person is invloved every day for the last two weeks as we lose one or two a day anymore.  It might not be Oler, but it has the same effect.  Everyone wants to go away. His response, "lose some gain some"

I'm aware of his record; also the records of the others.

Indeed. You can't ignore what you are unaware of. 

From what I hear, some Dems voted Repub and some for the least likely candidate such as Ron Paul or Fred Thompson.

It's not Sitka's fault that people have been leaving. They get in snits and leave on their own. Adult choices - ignore, leave, stay.

You sat it is untrue,

I said yoru characterization of what Clinton did was gross exaggeration, and therefor untrue.

If you don't believe me, go re-read your own post upthread. 

Your definition of the truth seems to be anything that comes from the GOP smear/propaganda machine. 

If you want to know, lunch/dinner was graciously served.  Thankful and I both had the same entree, which I inhaled (note to self:  exercise, exercise, exercise) and T2T4DEAN will take her time consuming.

She has been away from the blog for awhile, and she is well. 

ha, ha, ha!

Romney wins Michigan!

Well, that sure weakens the rethugs more!! and it pave the way for cliton to win! dont you all see what is happening, there stealing it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hello in there.

 "if not for DNA testing, he would still be denying it all. And even today you defend him as if it never happened.  Don't you remember those days with Madeline Albright coming out to pledge her support only to dscover he was lying to her as well.  This is the crowd you want back in???"

What is an exagerration?  Which fact is inaccurate??

Romney's dad was very popular here and is McCain.
The vets at the VA hall went for McCain even though he will keep the troops in Iraq forever and ground the military down to nothing.

It's not Sitka's fault that people have been leaving. They get in snits and leave on their own. Adult choices - ignore, leave, stay.

Accusation of driving people off the blog is always the last desperate lunge of a substanceless argument.

William H. White
Information Clearing House
January 13, 2008

Why would Bush go to the Mideast now? It is likely he went to nail down commitments from the Israelis and acquiescence from the Saudis prior to a planned attack on Iran. Bush, who neither reads nor writes well, has a low comfort level with diplomatic go-betweens, so this is a look’em in the eye trip to talk about what happens when he pulls the trigger.

If not, what is the alternative explanation for the trip? He is going to talk about peace talks likely to drift into the fall; change diplomatic tact, such as a demand Israel end the blockade of Gaza; schedule another Annapolis photo-op? Not likely. In addition, by White House standards this is a stealth trip with the US press attention focused elsewhere.

I don't know who Sitka is arguing with but it is true that bubba lied about sexual activity with other women while he was married to HC and to getting BJ(s) in the WH.
And folks are considering having this POS back in the oval office?
get real. The Repubs will grind HC up into little pieces going after bubba.
So HC has her own Repub-lite record to drag along plus her oafish spouse who still wants to play president.

All candidates are seriously flawed except for maybe Dennis.

88.

No, I don't see that at all!

10:00 est and time for bed.
Will play again tomorrow
night all.
peace

87. Mmmmm ~ lunch was delicious ~ I'm heating up leftovers while blogging :-) It was good to see you, Paine, as always.

The Repubs will grind HC up into little pieces going after bubba.
So HC has her own Repub-lite record to drag along plus her oafish spouse who still wants to play president.

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dog soldier, with all due respect:

That may be, but Hillary Rodham Clinton is a fine human being and an honorable citizen. 

As to her spouse, you may have many cheerleaders in degrading William, but many, likely more common, folk like him very, very much ... WARTS AND ALL ! 

"They are not dumb just gullible at times for the Clinton spin  "

I've been wondering why Fox the Repug spends so much time here.  So the Repugs are scared of Hillary, apparently.  Love it!  Thanks for the chuckle, fox.

Denise, re. people leaving....I'm with you on this.

Night dog.  Keep soldierin'. 

For those without cable you can watch it on the MSNBC website

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Just click in the upper right side of the page

I've been wondering why Fox the Repug spends so much time here.

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We can drop "the Repug"

According to the exit polls, African-Americans voted over70% for uncommitted.  It could spell trouble  for HC in South Carolinia.

Well come on what did you eat?? :)

cC - I'm Dr. Phil tonight...LOL

Hell, they're so scared they show up at the most un-Hillary of all the liberal blogs, lol!!:)))

I may have to start posting some pro-Hillary sh*t just to keep fox chewing on his toes, hehe. 

I've always advocated dropping the Repugs here, Paine.....

oh, oh, not what you meant?

oopsie;) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWClI8zsH4&eurl=http://www.dailypaul.com/node/26247

Obama just used an interesting phrase when talking to JE about keeping troops in Iraq. He said he thinks its is a "distinction without a difference". I'm going to remember that one with my next one on one with da boss.

LOL ~ a house special ~ Veal, chicken, and eggplant Parmigiano ! all individually breaded, stacked together, served w/ pasta and a pretty good tomato sauce.

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People can say they are leaving, leave, lurk, scroll.

But it is the sincere and generous nature of Deaniacs which keeps me faithful. 

Thanks for the link, Denise.  I don't need it, but your post is welcome.

one last post...
Michigan Liberal has pretty good stuff on what goes on here. Data is current and accurate.

http://www.michiganliberal.com/frontPage...

According to the exit polls, African-Americans voted over70% for uncommitted.  It could spell trouble  for HC in South Carolinia.  do you think your vote counts lol wait, you will see hc will win. its not who votes but who counts the votes!!!!!! diebold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! obama will not win in the south.

A distinction without a difference is a type of argument where one word or phrase is preferred to another, but results in no difference to the final outcome. It is particularly used when a word or phrase has connotations associated with it that one party to an argument prefers to avoid.

"In legal terminology it means a change in definition which does not change the set which is defined. For example changing 'unseparated married men' to 'males who have a non-separated spouse' is a distinction without a difference."[1]

My lesson for the day

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;-) theads is thread.  Where they go...nobody knows.

Do you notice the same person is invloved every day for the last two weeks as we lose one or two a day anymore.

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seashell,

Just throw an extra pail of water on him...................thatll do the trick

LOL..........maintai a quick strike force in Kuwait.................US presence in the ME........biggest foreign policy gaffe we have ever done...................Obama seems to think we can go in anywhere anytime we want...........typical arrogance and the world despises us for it.

Mike said, "Just throw an extra pail of water on him...................thatll do the trick"

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Brother, that only works in the movies.  Past that, why destroy?

Denise, not a "snit"  ... that's a put down.   I have never put you down, yet you do me. 

Oler never chased me off with his attacks.  Sitka isn't chasing me off.

I like being around people who aren't toxic. 

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Edwards also advocated a presence there, but not in Iraq.

Sea what are you talking about?

There's a New Thread!

"Ya know" is Hillary's hook )

Dumbya down dubya uses "Listen" (

Thank God -

Sea do yourself a favor, and don't take things so personally. I didn't know you were leaving (are you? You're still here). I meant people who left.

That's twice tonight you misinterpret what I write. I'm being patient but please think before you jump or type, OK?

Just leave this here - that is the best thing to do.

"I'm going to remember that one with my next one on one with da boss."

Is he/she offering you a bump in title but not with more pay or sumpin'?

Distinction without difference....I'd use it too! 

On the Repug "visitors" here.  I've yet to see one come here graciously...usually to gloat (back when Bushie had polling #'s to gloat about), deride us our our candidates.  Fox repeatedly cops a squat on firsties with his "reason is first" or some sh*t.....this coming from a supporter of the most deceitful, faithless to our Constitution in moder history...yet comes here talking about the bj that, in their infinite wisdom {{eye-roll}}, they thought worthy of impeachment!!!!

They show no respect here and we'd be kicked off their blogs if we did same to them.  They take advantage of the free speech tenet here.  F*ck'em, I say. 

The GOP wants to destroy government, but Dems want the people, or call it society,  to have their voice reflected in government..

I don't know who Sitka is arguing with but it is true that bubba lied about sexual activity with other women while he was married to HC and to getting BJ(s) in the WH.

I was referring to that GOPesque garbage about chasing interns down the hallway.

It's just more of the kind of specious reasoning to attack a candidate that we hear from "supporters" of other candidates who for some reason can't wrap their minds and records, issues, and proposals. It's right up there with the "electability" nonsense (Kerry's favorite, no less) and such idiotic sloganeering as "where's the beef?"

The GOP wants to destroy government, but Dems want the people, or call it society,  to have their voice reflected in government..

Wrong on both counts. The GOP, and about half the DCDems, want government to serve corporate interests and funnel taxpayers' dollars to them.

The whole "eliminate government" thing is a scam to attaract votes, just as universal heath insurance has been for Democrats since it was put into their platform in 1948.