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Tom Bearse
Sat, 02/02/08

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Daniel wrote "Get on your knees and pray, not only for yourselves but for the Nation. Hillary will be in the White House, and the baby-killer Obama will be her V.P."

I have to concede that Paul would force all pregnant women to carry their pregnancies to term, thus killing no babies until birth, after which he would be content to see many of them die from neglectm caused by him simply ignoring the social compact and removing the social safety net. he not killing anyone its you who want to kill baby before they have a chance to see there mothers once the baby is here its up to the parent to take care of it it call responsibility, your safety net is kill them now! how many of your kids can we kill tom? i hate baby killers!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel wrote "he not killing anyone its you who want to kill baby before they have a chance to see there mothers once the baby is here its up to the parent to take care of it it call responsibility, your safety net is kill them now! how many of your kids can we kill tom? i hate baby killers!!!!!!!!!!"

Correction, you hate fetus killers.  After negotiating birth, babies are on their own under Ron Paul's libertarian doctrine of live and let die.  I'm calling you and your political hero out on your sanctimonious bullshit.

Zetta don't be fooled by Tom he is trying to drive Edwards supporters to Clinton with his attacks.(or at least that will be the outcome)

thanks for stopping by, and for your informed commentary

"3. DANIEL ROONEY
Sat, 02/02/08"

...ever contemplated why women initiate divorces per year in the USA?

Misogynistic attitudes such as yours (and Paul's), that's why.

Although I'm a big Obama fan I fear that this KOS diary and Kos himself have it right about Thursday night. Obama needed to do more, in spite of more questions being unfairly thrown to Hillary.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

ttfn

s/b: per the millions.

Get a life (and a vasectomy), Chump.

Well....it looks like Edwards' former support has split EVENLY between Obama and the Clintons.

Scroll down to see graphic of both spiking equally....... 

It's a wash. 

I rest my case. 

Zetta don't be fooled by Tom he is trying to drive Edwards supporters to Clinton with his attacks.

Phillogical as usual. Just because someone doesn't shamelessly smooze and shill for a candidate, as many do, doesn't mean he's a mole for another. 

Update on my California phone calling for Obama via MoveOn...

...been on the phone for two hours, talked with maybe 50 people and out of the 50, two for HC, rest for Barack. Don't know what this means but I'm finding it very interesting.

Snow & Suzie-Q Collins are McCain's Maine Co-Chairs for his campaign.

I can't wait to see the results...their party is ripping itself to shreds; and are broke (MRP is in the hole, financially speaking).

These are the folks who despise "change" of any sort; & it's the hardcore right-wing Rapture nutjob evangelicals who are caucusing today (and yesterday).

Their caucus votes are nonbinding in nature, which is entirely different than that of the MDP.

I'd looooooooooooove to be a fly on the wall this afternoon in some of those public venues. Ouch.

Seriously nasty people, indeedy.

If Paul drove his supporters (mostly first-timers/new enrollees/infrequent political types) to their caucuses, the sparks are guaranteed to be flyin'.

It's a wash. ~~~~~~~~

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Hillary wins.

Phil wrote "don't be fooled by Tom he is trying to drive Edwards supporters to Clinton with his attacks."

Zetta is the one who is surprised, in her words, to see so many Edwards supporters moving to Obama.  If seeing them driven towards Clinton was my intent, as you suggest, it wouldn't take any unusual effort on my part.  But as you've informed us and Zetta confirms, they drift that way on their own.  Reading the heartfelt liberal manifestos that Edwards' supporters regularly treated us to here, I would have suspected otherwise.

Annilow

yikes, kos and I agreed about the debate, don't know what alignment of the stars brought that about

but Obama needs to keep those phones rocking

Karen

they must have given you a list of ones to hold the hands of

I don't give a hoot over Ron Paul's reelection. He is too radical and I hope he loses.

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 sitka

I have yet to see a poll in the Dem primary that was even in the ballpark.

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Too many cooks spoils the soup. Obama is doing a terrific job w/o Kos or other pundits telling him where he went wrong or what he should do.

Consider where he has come from in just a very short time. Keep the faith.

It's a wash. ~~~~~~~~

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Hillary wins.

Perhaps if those national polls were what decided the nomination. But of course they don't. They just just show that Edwards small number of supporters has split evenly for now.

What I've been hearing consistently is that Obama is spiking big in the UberTuesday states.

Although I'm a big Obama fan I fear that this KOS diary and Kos himself have it right about Thursday night.

I watched it and don't need KOS to tell what to think about it. I thought Obama wiped the floor with Hillary -- especially when he said wants to "change the mindset" that led Hillary to follow Bush to war.

Thank you, Zetta.  We need your voice.

Phil,  I think JE will still be on our ballot in May.  If I vote for him, does he still get delegates if enuf of us vote for him?  Can it help at the convention?

If not, I'll vote "undecided." 

I think you're right, Phil.  The Edwards vote split and has nothing to do with JE being southern and white and everything to do with him being a populist and progressive. 

That HC/BO ticket looks closer, doesn't it?  

We shall see. 

seashell wrote "The Edwards vote split . . . has nothing to do with JE being southern and white and everything to do with him being a populist and progressive."

How did you come to that conclusion?

we are in uncharted territory with a dump of 15% undecided into the first national primary within days

calling self identified supporters and getting them all to the polls is a good plan

so is flying from big rally to big rally to pick up tens of thousands more

I'd do a little more targeting of those new undecideds,different script required,laid back attitude

I have yet to see a poll in the Dem primary that was even in the ballpark.

The ones in IA and NV were pretty accurate. The ones in NH pegged Obama's % correctly,  but underestimated Hillary. The ones in SC vastly underpredicted Obama's surge. If I had to make a guess about UberTuesday, it would be they are underestimating Obama again.

seashell

If you don't want Hillary vote for Obama.

9.

 Don't know what this means but I'm finding it very interesting.

Hard to say Karen, but fingers crossed.

Perhaps the Obama camp gives out numbers of known progressives to call and get to the polls.

Phil wrote "If you don't want Hillary vote for Obama."

Like some other Edwards' supporters, she's already told us she's ambivalent about the ultimate winner at this stage.

How did you come to that conclusion?

As with sausage, you just don't ask how it was made. 

 If I had to make a guess about UberTuesday, it would be they are underestimating Obama again.

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I agree, none has shown him over 43 and I think he will reach the upper 40's with his current surge

the test will come in keeping momentum from a close second

Pat wrote: "I think the vote to fund the troops is debatable.  In other words, if we were in his situation, how would we have voted?  It's all too easy to say bring them home now, defund the war, but I do think there is the argument that not to fund the troops would have put them in jeopardy.  This Administration did put them in jeopardy by not providing enough troops, the armor or vehicles they needed,  the spacing between battles (Dog Soldier addressed that very well, I thought), and the care they needed when they came  home wounded physically and mentally.

I'm not convinced that Obama's vote to fund the troops as he has defended it is the condemnation that you make of it, Huron John.  If that's the only thing that is critical of Obama, that doesn't carry enough weight for me."

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I would have voted not only to close the purse, but start impeachment.  I also would have filibustered and would not have voted for Mukasey. And that clean coal thing is really disturbing.  And I would have voted no on Kyl-L instead of simply not being there. 

Have you checked his voting record clearly?   He and HC are close to being twins.  Can you see that?

the test will come in keeping momentum from a close second

If the Clinton's come in second will it cause the final implosian of their campaign? 

seashell wrote "Have you checked [Obama's] voting record clearly?   He and HC are close to being twins.  Can you see that?"

Coming from an Edwards supporter, I find this type of characterization beyond strange.

sp=Snowe.

Collins claims to be "bipartisan," dontcha know? Great Co-Chairs (not).

:::wink:::

Local news oughta be hot tonight (Mainers never miss local affiliate evening news, BTW).

Nevuuuh.

Go, Chellie (primarying in CD#1 against 5 men, BTW)~

http://www.actblue.com/page/mf

I can't vote for Chellie; however, she still has a strong network of supporters in CD#2 (strong women, esp.); and I think the world of her, natch.

Maine has never sent a female Democrat to D.C.--let alone, a *progressive feminist*.

Slap that misogynistic donkey, folks.

"More and better Dems, pls.," indeedy.

Feel free to add your name @the bottom of Chellie's endorsement list:

http://tinyurl.com/yslcla

Thanks~

seashell:

If you vote for Edwards (even if he's still on your ballot--he is in Maine; as they were printed before he dropped out this past week--and the absentee ballots have been out for 3+ weeks before now), it won't count for shit.

Why bother???

You only have two choices at this point: Billary or Obama.

Select the most progressive amongst the two (it ain't Billary).

I don't care for either of 'em (hell, I'm still unenrolled).

However, there's a time in life to be pragmatic.

A.B.H.

Go Google the caucus/primary delegate selection laws in your state.

Too many cooks spoils the soup. Obama is doing a terrific job w/o Kos or other pundits telling him where he went wrong or what he should do.

I expect Moulitsas is one of those bitter Edwardiacs who blames Obama for siphoning off the support that rightfully belonged to Edwards'. 

Phil, by the time OR votes, I think it'll not matter if I mark Daffy Duck.   Why shouldn't I just stay home?  At this point in time, I don't want either one of them. 

This thing about having only one prez is getting annoying.  We need 3 at least, since having only runs the risk of a Bush.  The 3 we had before JE dropped out would have made a decent ticket.

We shall see. 

I'm stocking up on popcorn and gradually getting used to the idea that corporate power will continue to rule and even increase.  

Clinton won't be pushed around by the corps becuz she IS the corps.  BO, OTOH, will be a snack for the corps.  IMO  

Hi,

Quick drop in.  

Seashell, I have looked at his voting record, both in the illinois Legislature and the Congress.

I suggest you read his book.  It might give you a broader perspective on who he is and how he thinks.  He isn't an ideologue, doesn't do what the polls tell him to do.

My perspective: we have a senator in our state legislature here who is Republican.  He first drew our attention when he said that to use urban renewal funds to take farm lands and develop them commercially is unethical and not legal.  Republicans and Democrats were allowing that to happen. He has taken very ethical stands, has worked hard for universal health care and  has criticized the insurance companies.

We have supported him, contributed to him, and even though I don't agree with all his votes, or positions, he is an ethical, thoughtful, reasonable man who has given his best to Colorado. That's what I expect of a candidate.  I know how he thinks, know his record, have evidence of his character and integrity.

It seems ridiculous to me to demand a representative vote the way I want her/him to.  I don't want a puppet, a panderer.  I want someone who can think and give congent and persuasive reasoning for how he votes.

Whatever you might think, from my study of Obama, he is not a twin of Clinton, but you have to learn more about him if you are to come to a different conclusion. 

To argue over ignorance and impressions is a waste of time.   

what are the voting expectations Tues? 10 million? so Obama going from 37% to 43% in a matter of days means he picked up 600,000 supporters (he should have got that from Edwards alone)

to win the general you need to bring in 100 million plus

they only list that matters right now is likely voters and GOTV for volunteers

and the surge means you hope your walk in voter surge beats the advantage the opposition had in the early voting

but going forward, I'd think it might pay to go right to the appeal to the nation, for the later states

this past week I would have made my best pitch for the progressive vote cut loose by Edwards

Hillary did directly with her answer to the health care question. Obama should have gotten more of the split.

The Obama ad I saw on today's noon NBC local news affiliate w/with Caroline Kennedy.

Nicely done...nothing like Trippi's shitty ads, BTW.

Will see what they broadcast tonight, between 6:00-7:00 p.m. (as well as on the 11:00 p.m. local news).

Has anyone been over to mydd lately? It's been taken over by Hillary supporters. I know their are a lot of Obama supporters here but one thing I think we all believe in is Dean's 50 state mission. Not so with Hillary supporters as a rule. This is just my opinion obviously.

their s/b there.

I have 3 months to see if I can truly feel comfy with either one of these 2 left.  I don't right now.   A lot can happen in three months.

vb wrote "Has anyone been over to mydd lately? It's been taken over by Hillary supporters."

Led by Jerome Armstrong, mydd was an anti-Obama megaphone from the outset.  The only change since then is that the many anti-Obama Edwards supporters either left or joined forces with the anti-Obama Clinton supporters. 

Anybody remember what the polls were for SC in the lead up to their vote? I know Obama was in the low 40's. Hillary was in the mid to high 20's I believe. Obama outperformed the polls by a substantial margin but I can't remember if he was trending high every day.

seashell wrote "Why shouldn't I just stay home?  At this point in time, I don't want either one of them."

See Phil?  seashell doesn't want Clinton or Obama, at this point in time. 

what are the voting expectations Tues? 10 million? so Obama going from 37% to 43% in a matter of days means he picked up 600,000 supporters (he should have got that from Edwards alone)

That would be to assume the polls aren't underesting his spike -- which may not be finished. 

to win the general you need to bring in 100 million plus

Actually it would be 50M+ since only 122,267,553 voted in 2004

but going forward, I'd think it might pay to go right to the appeal to the nation, for the later states

Obama has been running ads in "down the road" states. And like them or not, his recent remarks about Reagan also show that he's thinking about a national election strategy rather than a purely primary one. 

this past week I would have made my best pitch for the progressive vote cut loose by Edwards

If you watched Obama's remarks when Edwards quit and at the debate closely you would have seen him do just that (short of standing on top of Edwards' political corpse to do it -- which you and others would have attacked him for doing.)

Thanks, Pat, for that good response.  I think many JE supporters feel that we're between a rock and a hard place, reminiscent of when Dean lost.  We're in mourning.

I will watch and listen very closely to BO in the coming months. 

Has anyone been over to mydd lately? It's been taken over by Hillary supporters.

I've noticed in the past that what seem like organized gangs of supporters will take over that blog for a while in turn. 

Tom, don't fret so much.  At this time means today!  We've a long way to go ....  jumping on and criticizing JE supporters is not wise. 

Also Tom, read closely.  I can't vote until May fer god's sake.

Led by Jerome Armstrong, mydd was an anti-Obama megaphone from the outset.

He and Moulitsas aren't nearly the king makers they seem to fancy themselves. 

Before I say, good bye.  There's a book about Hillary Clinton.  I believe it's called, Her Way, that people may want to read.

I think to have any real confidence in the candidates, we have to get to know them better.  The debates for the most part were like Jeopardy,  quiz shows.  So much of what we learn is sound bytes, which prohibits any real analysis or depth.

Who are these people we are entrusting our country to? Certainly they are  human and will make mistakes, but do they have integrity, honesty, a real desire to serve the whole, not just those who agree with them?  Are these people who are creative, capable of nuanced and complex thinking? Do they have experiences that reveal how they act, reveal their character? How do they get along with others?  Are they capable of putting their egoes aside to serve the greater good? Are they flexible?  Do they seek out those who disagree with them, who have entirely different perspectives and life experiences?

 I really feel we are on the brink here of catastrophe both as a planet and as a country.  Popularity and ideology have proved to be inadequate, have proved to be a cheat as far as real service to this country.

Well, off.  It's good to be talking to each other again.  You are valued friends. 

Who are these people we are entrusting our country to? Certainly they are  human and will make mistakes, but do they have integrity, honesty, a real desire to serve the whole, not just those who agree with them?  Are these people who are creative, capable of nuanced and complex thinking? Do they have experiences that reveal how they act, reveal their character? How do they get along with others?  Are they capable of putting their egoes aside to serve the greater good? Are they flexible?  Do they seek out those who disagree with them, who have entirely different perspectives and life experiences?

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We have a pretty evenly matched pair from that list so you go back a tier to who do they surround themselves with?

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Obama could play cover two but Bill is a Moss wildcard, best just put up a lot your own points and see where it shakes out late in the game 

Off to console my son. His first broken heart sadly. I'm not certain who is wounded more - the rest of us or him. Poor kid.

And so it continued for the whole three hours of California phone banking for Barack via MoveOn...

They're voting for Barack;  that's basically all I heard over and over and over again. 

"Polls" mean jack shit, folks.

It's a matter of what Phil said (GOTV).

Yes, indeedy--in states like Maine; who can vote weeks in advance via absentee ballot (although, second round voting won't happen for those folks who don't show up in person).

Esp. in caucus states. It's a real bitch to get people to caucus (even the regulars, who are already registered).

However, Obama's spending $$$ on TV ads in ME (and our delegate count stinks, in comparison to that of other states).

I don't know whether there's phone banking, as I keep my ringer off--never check messages. Caroline Kennedy articulates very well for him.

The state party's voter lists certainly aren't up to snuff, as I unenrolled last Sept.; and they haven't caught on as yet....

Unless it's someone I know on Caller ID...fuggetaboutit.

I hate phones.

That's the other issue w/"polls" & phone banking (complete waste of resources, IMMHO) is that *millions* of folks like me in the USA have dumped their landlines within the past few years.

...moreso w/the so-called youth voters--who freakin' have cell phones embedded in their ears all the time (who may or may not actually show up to caucus).

They're the unknown variable. He seriously needs to get them out to vote (they blipped out in IA for Dean, BTW).

Yes, millions of landline phone numbers being dumped since '04 botches things up quite a bit, re: "poll" validity.

There's also tomorrow's blabfests on the morning boob tube--either of them could slip up, bigtime beffore Tues. (hopefully, Big Dog will continue to run his idiotic rancid mouth).

I abhor him (as well as Billary).

Ugh.

A.B.H.

Correction, you hate fetus killers. After negotiating birth, babies are on their own under Ron Paul's libertarian doctrine of live and let die. I'm calling you and your political hero out on your sanctimonious bullshit .no tom your so wrong your lamp bull is full of holes its personal responsibility that you dont understand,its not up to me or your neightor to take care of your lazy ass or your kids,take care of your own tom, or do you need a green card too! stop the war but not the killing sound progressive to me! wake up tom kill your baby tom you will have to live with it.

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mainefem
Sat, 02/02/08

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"3. DANIEL ROONEY
Sat, 02/02/08"

...ever contemplated why women initiate divorces per year in the USA?

Misogynistic attitudes such as yours (and Paul's), that's why.

i dont hate women i love them and baby too! not like the baby killer here. its gays men who hate women lol.

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mary vb
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Off to console my son. His first broken heart sadly. I'm not certain who is wounded more - the rest of us or him. Poor kid.
its good mary you didnt have tom has your doc he would have aborted that kid. good or bad they are a gift from god tom. how can anyone hurt kids /

3:23 PM Drive by - guess I'm at the bottom today.

Obama is up in MO, NM and DE

http://www.nmfbihop.com/showDiary.do?dia...

Doesn't quite jive with those national polls.

Daniel

put down that bottle

DLC is completely in charge--nowhere for progressives to go.

6:35 pm

sorry phil edward is --------------------------- dead sound like you need a drink, or is it the barn that need clean out.

Got back a little while ago from canvassing.  Went with another lady.  I think we had a good day.  Most of the people were so nice.  We had some who shut the door in our faces.  Lol.  I'm not good with rejection. 

Mostly Republicans (this is Alaska), the ones for Obama were very enthusiastic, said they would definitely be causcasing.  Not one was supporting HRC.

About the polls.  It seems to me polls are not very accurate.  Don't they poll the people who voted before?  What about the young kids with cell phones, the Independents, the Republican crossovers?  Maybe I'm just hoping but I think Obama is going to do better than what is being reported.

GET READY FOR THE PUGS

http://www.counterpunch.org/

If Hillary wins the nomination Republicans will once again plow through the vast acreage of questionable deals and evasive responses developed by the Clintons down the years, the latest ones, such as Bill's financial cavortings with the Canadian mining entrepreneur, still as fragrant as freshly turned manure.

Barack Obama has already felt the hot breath of investigators for his property deal in 2005 on the south side of Chicago. This one will have legs as long as Obama is in the race for the Democratic nomination. If he wins that prize, the scrutiny will get more intense, as Republicans link him with an Iraqi millionaire who has been linked to Saddam Hussein from the earliest years of the Iraqi dictator's bloodstained rise to power.

In 2005 Obama bought a Georgian mansion in Chicago's elite Kenwood neighborhood. He paid $1.65 million for it. The same day Rita Rezko, the wife of Chicago property operator Antoin "Tony" Rezko, bought the adjacent undeveloped lot, which had once been part of the mansion's garden. Rezko paid $650,000 for the parcel which at present can only be accessed from the Obama property and which Obama's garden crew has been keeping tidy. Obama got his house for $300,000 under the asking price. Rezko paid full asking price. Later, Obama bought a sixth of Rezko's parcel for $100,000.

Obama has known Rezko ever since the latter contacted him as a possible associate in the real estate business after Obama got the top slot at the Harvard Law Review and was an obvious comer in Chicago politics. Rezko, like all major real estate players, has made a career of playing insider politics and forming political alliances advantageous for his dealings. He's contributed to Obama's campaigns down the years.

In terms of political mudslinging, if Obama continues to prosper politically this year, we can expect ongoing probes for political favors he might have done for Rezko down the years. For the political hit squads the money shot, so to speak, is any headline that links Barack Hussein Obama with an Iraqi millionaire not only linked to the oil-for-food scandal but to the Baath Party and to Saddam Hussein.

good for you rae

Clinton will have ID supporters and will turn them out so it will take your kind of effort. in the end America wins with citizens like you

Daniel go away.  You are offensive.

Read my post upthread, rae.

It's impossible to "poll" crossover same-day (open) registration caucus and primary folks (same as w/the millions who've dumped landlines).

"Mostly likely" voters means those who vote off-year (very few).

Anyone who believes a "poll" is beyond stupid (or the data, re: how many thousands of folks show up for any given political rally).

See DFA 1.0 for more proof of that crap.

Nobody knows until the votes are counted/folks actually get out to vote, etc.

Canvassing door to door and phonebanking also mean diddly squat.

People lie; and will tell you anything to get rid of you--same as w/folks who *do* respond to "polls" (I never answer my door).

They lack validity, 100%--esp. at this stage of the proverbial game.

Hell, the voter lists from the Sec. of State's office are all screwed up...and anyone has the audacity to actually to *believe* a "poll?"

Come on, people...use some common sense and critical thinking skills.

mainefem

we are in new territory with a state like Alaska meaning something

I always try to visit 1500 doors or so to have my personal goal of a 100 vote impact

if as a raw recruit, rae turns her own support into four new voters she will have greatly amplified her impact (and it will make a difference if multiplied by tens of thousands)

the three tied in Iowa with their regular GOTV efforts and Obama's victory was due to such volunteer effort

I pay attention to trends in tracking polls but only the inner circle of a campaign gets to see the ones that count.

you can bet Clinton is polling focus groups after every change in her stump speech too

Billary didn't run any ads tonight--will see later on the 11:00 p.m. local affiliate news.

Obama's campaign has a good strategy--picking up delegates in smaller states, too (otherwise, folks won't go out, if feeling ignored).

Small batches of delegates all add up.

Again--there are millions of folks in this country who've dumped their landlines (not all of us are "young college kids").

Fortunately, the Do Not Call registry can't invade our space as yet (unless you've already given out your phone #).

The methodologies of orgs has not at all adapted to reflect present day reality.

Even before going 100% cell phone, I always had an unpublished phone number.

I addition, few folks will pick up...they screen calls; which makes the "polling" all the more invalid.

Factor in calling people who are listed a kajillion times; and that *really* screws things up.

"Polls" only benefit the media companies who own 'em, folks.

Obama really messed up in the MTV show thingy (on now)--with the civil union query.

There's zilch effect, re: marriages being "religious," whatsover.

I'm a Notary Public; and marriage is 100% legally binding civil contract.

Nothing at all "religious" about it.

He didn't do well in his waffling...total bullshit on that one.

Even in states where "civil unions" exist, they only cover select perks; are only good in that one state; and miss hundreds of additional federal perks.

He needs to stop that crap...these younger voters aren't as homophobic (thankfullly) as folks in their 60s++.

Billary's touting her "35 yrs. of experience" meme again...hell, she was only in college at that time!

'Fer Christsakes, I hope that people can do some basic math in their heads when she spews that crap.

Wow Daniel, you've gone from inappropriate and offensive to out and out vile. Surely there's another way to express support for your candidate?

7:46 pm est

GET READY FOR THE PUGS

My observation over 40 years of watching politics is that voters just don't give a damn about the past of prez candidates. They only care about what they see in them at the present.

Democrats tried discrediting Reagan with his past, Republicans tried it with Clinton, and Democrats tried it with Bushboy. 

Here's my issue with the Obama supporters:  They clearly can't understand why Edwards supporters so readily accept the Edwards conversion. Some go so far as to say he is the Zelig candidate, which is rude and condescending.

At least Edwards was going the right way.  With Obama we see a man who seems to be going the wrong way.  Precisely liberal in the Illinois State Senate and now backing away.

"And then there are people who say, `Well, he doesn't believe in the Second Amendment,' even though I come from a state — we've got a lot of hunters in downstate Illinois. And I have no intention of taking away folks' guns."

This was in Idaho and its is pandering.  Is this the true Obama or is he simply saying what he knows these people want to hear?  So if Edwards was pandering (and if he was, he was certainly pandering to the wrong constiuency seeing how the poor are not a consistent voting block) it would be hard to deny that Obama is doing the same. And if he is not pandering then his conversion to the middle is a cause for concern for progressives.

(Just to make it clear I will be voting for him in November should he win the nomination, unless his VP is wholly unacceptable)

Don't be a pimp, Danny boy.  It'll be all right in the morning. 

Curtis Mayfield - Superfly        http://hypem.com/track/478462

you can bet Clinton is polling focus groups after every change in her stump speech too

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I like that about her.  She seems to know what the Party of 'Cain knows ... I can't put a tag on what that is, but it involves knowing your audience and seeking to satisfy their needs. 

Of course, may of us are repulsed by just that; seemingly pandering.

But, in the minute to minute media cycle, leaders *need* to be ... responsive?

I don't know...maybe, but I don't discount Hillary for trying to protect *our needs* (or if I may, our position on the chessboard.

As Elvis said, "thank you very much"

At least Edwards was going the right way.

No doubt you've seen the video of the 2008 Presidential candidates offering changes to the tune of David Bowie:

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/02/2008-changes-ar.html

I love this:

pushing T2beT4dean (haha, can't help it...I stuter every time) down as my posts supplant hers.

I pay attention to trends in tracking polls but only the inner circle of a campaign gets to see the ones that count.

There's surely no scientific reason why the campaigns' private polls are any more accurate than the public ones. It's all just asking people questions.

71. Hey Paz ~ Some Obama (an HC for that matter) supporters may have that problem, but don't include me :-)

72. Knew you'd find a better way to say it.

8:25 pm est

tick toc

HQ ain't found the tweek to correct the faults in the blog

must be (i grant) a difficult chore.

LOL, yep the blog appears to not be fixed just yet, but I'm glad to be falling near the bottom rather than hopping around the middle.

mainefem, I didn't watch the MTV show, but i agree with you on the civil union question.  I've heard Barack answer the question and it is one of the few things I disagree with him on.  I've talked with people who say it is political suicide to say you agree with same sex marriages.  I think Gravel and Kucinich have had the guts to say they do.

There's surely no scientific reason why the campaigns' private polls are any more accurate than the public ones

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surely there are

Whoops I forgot to capitalize my I.

unless his VP is wholly unacceptable

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Peace Paz, I don't know that Obama would accept the VP, if offered.

But, if Barack does get offered and accepts the position, why wouldn't you consider his acceptance BEFORE making the leap that it "is wholly unacceptable"?

FYI

Gore set to float TV firm to clear debts

Current TV IPO Could Energize Online Media

Current TV

There's surely no scientific reason why the campaigns' private polls are any more accurate than the public ones. It's all just asking people questions.

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surely there are

You just don't know WHAT they are? 

Feel free to explain your point of view rather than pronouncing from on high. 

rather than hopping around the middle.

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brilliant.  u r right.

Buy low, sell high

What do you think Phil?

Yes we can

http://www.dipdive.com/

I don't know that Obama would accept the VP, if offered.

Just about anybody would have to be crazy not accept the VP and be next in line to the presidency.

But it's funny to talk about it in Obama's case since he's positioning himself to be the one choosing a VP. 

Huge Crowds for Obama in Albuquerque & Santa Fe http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/dem...

rae hart
 said, "Whoops I forgot to capitalize my I."

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Bad girl. 

WE (yes, the royal we) should surely punish you.  But how?  What are you most affraid of?  hmmm   Well, well, well...

submission is a beginning ;-)  you have accomplished that much!

Obama eyes American Indians in presidential bid

Fri Feb 1, 7:47 PM ET

ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said on Friday the United States has a "special obligation" to help American Indians and pledged to hold annual summits with tribal leaders if he is elected in November.

Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black U.S. president, told an audience in New Mexico that American Indians were doing worse than the rest of the country in areas including health, education, mortality rates, substance abuse and unemployment.

"There is no doubt that we have a special obligation to try to work with the tribal leadership and Native American communities to solve some of these problems," he said.

He said more money needed to be invested in schools and substance abuse programs, and said he would appoint an official in his White House to work with tribal leaders across the country.

"As president of the United States I'm not just going to have a Bureau of Indian Affairs that is off on the sidelines somewhere," he said. "I'm going to have an annual summit with Native American leaders, tribal leaders. They're going to meet directly with me." ...full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080202/pl_n...

Si Se Puede.  Yes We Can  

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and "Yes We Can" by the Black Eyed Peas, etc.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY

Obama eyes American Indians in presidential bid

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I thought of YOU, when I saw the headline on Obama's web site, after hearing from my twin (identical) brother that he and his brilliant wife would be attending the Obama gathering.

God bless and protect our indigenous peoples, amen!

Here is a little video of my twin:

@

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/01/joseph-seigenth.html

The Sculpture and Animation of Joseph Seigenthaler

OK, I lied.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeSeigenthaler

9:05 PM EST

I'll be doing my bit for the Obama campaign by handing out leaflets, etc. at some of the train station stops Monday morning along the Providence to Boston commuter line.

leonard nimoy  the ballad of bilbo baggins   ISC library music: those swingin sounds of literature rich hazelton's 2007 wfmu fundraising marathon premium          0:35:14 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up) http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/26118

9:13 PM EST

a view from a Brit:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2251511,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Andrew Rawnsley, The Observer's political columnist, spends his time scrutinising Westminister. But last week he travelled America to watch the presidential hopefuls prepare for this week's crucial Super Tuesday primaries. As Republicans and Democrats battle to produce their candidates for the White House, he asks: will the new dawn promised by Barack Obama survive the brutal politics of the two party machines?

Sunday February 3, 2008
The Observer

...

Abraham Lincoln spoke in his first inaugural address of 'the better angels of our nature'. The essence of Obama's appeal is that he speaks to the better angels of America's character.

...

For the past 20 years, it's been true that anyone can be President so long as they are called Bush or Clinton. If Hillary spends two terms in the White House, family dynasties will have commanded the Great Republic for more than a quarter of a century. At an Obama event in New York, I saw a placard with a potent slogan. It simply said: 'The White House is not a time share.'

...

The gamble with Obama ... he is potentially the most transformative president for a country thirsting for a change from political failure, poison and gridlock. Would he be a 21st-century JFK? In some ways, you would actually hope not. Before we get to find out, Americans have to decide whether they prefer dreams or machines.

Hi rd,

That's an excellent way to contact alot of people.  Hasn't Obama come up in Mass polls?

For anyone who is interested, CSPAN is airing an Obama rally at St Louis at 930 EST.

Monday morning along the Providence to Boston commuter line.

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This monday?

Hi rd,

That's an excellent way to contact alot of people.  Hasn't Obama come up in Mass polls?

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rae -

After what happened in NH, I've learned not to pay attention to polls right before an election.

My wife got a call last night from a young female supporter of Hillary, asking my wife who she's voting for on Tuesday.  My wife replied "None of your business".

It isn't a matter of disagreeing w/him, rae.

He's flat out wrong.

Marriage is a 100% *civil* legally binding financial contract ONLY.

No more...no less.

"Religion" never factors into it...nada.

Shit, I can marry people (Notary Public--only in Maine)--within a few *seconds*--literally (provided their paperwork is legit.).

And he's a lawyer???

His MTV "meter" had taken a nose-dive (viewer responses--TV & on MySpace, etc.); and they gave him additional time to revisit the question to elaborate.

Howard was equally as pandering--spewing this "let the states decide" shit. Terrible "code" words, ala Jim Crow-ish meme.

There are thousands of *federal* perks which gay folks miss out on (even for those handful of states which allow civil unions--and they all differ).

If anyone moves out of that state, they lose what few perks they do have.

And I'm hetero (doesn't affect my life at all), but the flip-flopping and hemming & hawing really irritates the hell out of me.

It's an insult to anyone's intellect; flat out *wrong*, and is homophobic as hell.

yes we can

thanks mary vb

“Following his sophomore and junior years at Yale—a well-known recruiting ground for the CIA—Cooper spent his summers interning at the agency’s monolithic headquarters in Langley, Virginia, in a program for students interested in intelligence work,” reports Radar Online.

“His involvement with the agency ended there, and he chose not to pursue a job with the agency after graduation, according to a CNN spokeswoman, who confirmed details of Cooper’s CIA involvement to Radar.” See this article. And thanks to Brad Funkhouser for this post.

Of course, if the evil Cooper were one of many CIA assets in the media, he would hardly admit it.

>

I, once, took the first two years of ROTC (enjoyed it, but for the evangelicals)

...and one of the Officers said something which led me me to think, back then, that the *military* was infiltrating the media.

What o' you think?

Huge Crowds for Obama in Albuquerque & Santa Fe

13,000 came out to see him here in Phoenix on Thursday. 

Night from the eastern shore.

10:00 pm EST

BTW

bloggie is in bad health.

Hypocracy from Saint Al:

Mulder,

do you think it a bad buy?  IE Current TV

Night Paine :-)

I'm thinking...a new network, which satisfies the need of the unsatiated majority?

@ $100, 000, 000

is a deal, Mulder. 

Night Thankful

McCaskill -- CSPAN Live "St. Louis you are 20,000 strong tonight" (she asked the Fire Marshall.) Introducing Obama.

20,000 in Minnesota, 14-15,000 in Boise. I hope these crowds translate into votes.

Apparently, Hillary is hoping for 4,000 in Minn. tomorrow. Snark...

I don't grant you hypocrisy on Al's side, Mulder.

I *think* it's a leader.

I think Obama will win MO, CT, GA, AL, IL, DE, ID, CO, KS

What o' you think?

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On rereading, that s/b

What 'o you think?

None o' the *big* states, then, Mary VB

OK, 20 minutes past 10

is it.

Maybe CA, Paine. But early absentee voting probably went to Hillary. I'm just talking about Feb 5. If he can do well enough on Tuesday - he's in a better place because he has field offices/organization in latter states.

122. mary vb snark indeed :~) and I too hope the bodies turn into votes.



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This afternoon the phone rang and some sweet child was calling from DFA and asked me for $100. I said I couldn't give any more money till they fixed the blog.


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Going to go listen to the speech so I'll say goodnight and sweet dreams all.

10:23 PM EST

mary vb

OMG, thank you

Yes we can

http://www.dipdive.com/

Hypocracy from Saint Al:

You shouldn't accuse someone of hypocrisy without bothering to spell it correctly.

By the way, have you kissed Bush's ass today? 

Folks, I have not said this before ( IE who I might vote for on tuesdat Feb, 05, 08 in Massachusetts),...

but I think I will vote my heart (with my twin brother, who I have been psyching ...who me ha ha ha lol rmaolf ) for Barack.

10:30 PM EST

97.

Yes, this Monday.

10:33 PM EST

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

Hypocracy from Saint Al:

>

I would like to know how you are enjoying the newness of matrimony?

Al Rodgers does a brilliant job with the Big MO - click you won't be disappointed.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

Imn2Paine
Sat, 02/02/08
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Theres 2 of ya? 

Mulder,

 CNN election analyst William J. Bennett gave several thousand dollars to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign

v.

Last month, Talking Points Memo reported that James Carville and Paul Begala had been suspended from CNN until after the Democratic primary because of their support for Sen. Hillary Clinton. The CNN official said Bennett's situation was different since he had given to more than one candidate.

Partial straw vote (non-binding "caucus") of the Maine Rethugs today.

Theirs is totally different than the Dems'.

Just basically a straw vote, they select delegates (maybe) for local committees and state convention.

One town had a whopping TWO participants (one of whom was "uncommitted"--cracked me up)!



From what I've been reading on ME's Freerepublic equivalent BBS, they all despise caucuses, too.

Takes too much damned time; and they aren't happy about the straw poll status, etc. Want to be able to freakin' vote in private (state is flat broke, so I don't see where the funding will come from).

Not much of a turnout thus far (a bit of sleet and "wintry mix" didn't help).

Collins & Snowe's "Co-Chair" roles for McCain didn't seem to effect diddly. The right-wing nutjobs can't stand him (and they're the "base").

...nor did Paul do as well as the "polls" and hype had projected--in such a Libertarian-minded state (esp. in rural areas--not typically lefty Bohemia Land).

"Polls mean squat".

Rinse...lather...repeat.

He even came in person to stump.

Only a smattering of 17 yr. olds showed up, too--as I thought would happen.

Not sure what the hold up is w/so few attendees--re: tallying final results by now!

Sheesh.

http://tinyurl.com/2gkljt

Al Rodgers does a brilliant job with the Big MO - click you won't be disappointed.

Those pictures sure brought back some good memories from 2004. 

Theres 2 of ya? 

>

Same egg.

Ain't women beautiful?

ARG poll has Obama up by 2 in MO. Taken before his St Louis killer rally.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

DFA has tons of $$$.

Read the FEC reports, people.

"Rinse...lather...repeat."

>

Don't forgit 'o flush, mainfem.

10:55 pm EST

Hear ya, * r

So,, where is  y'r' comment now, Mulder?

BTW Mike

per my

"Same egg.

Ain't women beautiful?"

My old lady's from "Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average. "

Tater Tot Hot Dish

1. Preheat the oven to 375 degrees.
2. Brown 1# of lean ground beef (mixed with garlic, onion, salt, and pepper to taste).
3. Drain fat. Place in the bottom of a casserole dish.
4. Spread one can of soup over meat. Cream of mushroom is fine. (And is Aimee's soup of choice.) So is cream of chicken. So is tomato.
5. Fill the rest of the casserole dish with tater tots.
6. Bake for approx. 45 minutes, checking periodically. Remove when top tater tots are nice dark golden brown.
7. A layer of cheese is optional. (Add cheese before baking.)

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I won't touch it.

The Art Of Noise - Dragnet (Danger Ahead/Dragnet        http://hypem.com/track/476543

Art Of Noise (w. Max Headroom) - Paranoimia         http://hypem.com/track/449353

...*children are above average*. I love that Garrison Keiller's reference. Obama used it in a debate!

please recommend.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23760...

DFA has tons of $$$.

Probably because they don't spend any on this blog. 

Happy Birthday to Dear Pru ♥

Voting w/the heart... now that Edwards is out, I'm going w/ Obama, too.

Nice and easy recipe Paine, thanks :-) Not my first choice either ~ tonight's shrimp and onion pizza, and ribs were pretty good though.

Hope to see ya all for the Super Bowl tomorrow...

Nite and ♥'s all

Kindness is free!

12:17 am est

No $$ to speak of is required, Sitka--set the damned thing up (have someone else do it).

A *real* blog, vs. this piece of disgusting infantile garbage.

WordPress's is free open sourced (FDL uses it).

How inexperienced are you folks, anyhow?

wordpress.org

Scoop tech is also free.

"Once you've paid the set-up fee, you're new SoapBlox will be activated within 24 hours."

http://tinyurl.com/34z8xa

Technorati BFA rankings are in the sh^tter...don't even blip.

Been coopted & replaced, & it's easy to discern why.

Four yrs.++ of stonewalling? Same 20 or so people using it as a public chat space.

Nada.

tick toc

HQ ain't found the tweek to correct the faults in the blog

must be (i grant) a difficult chore.

It's only difficult when you have people who are not properly educated.

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--DFA has tons of $$$.

Probably because they don't spend any on this blog. --

It doesn't take lots of money to fix this blog. What it takes is a very moderate amount of skills.

I see, you are willing to point out weaknesses, faults, etc. in others but when it comes to your own 'group' you are very willing to classify basic non-function as minor distraction.

12:35 am

Kindness is free!

Free stuff. I'm very suspicious about free stuff.
I thought there was no free lunch?

12:37 am BVT

Burlington Vermont Time

--DFA has tons of $$$.

Probably because they don't spend any on this blog. --

It doesn't take lots of money to fix this blog. What it takes is a very moderate amount of skills.

I see, you are willing to point out weaknesses, faults, etc. in others but when it comes to your own 'group' you are very willing to classify basic non-function as minor distraction.

"It was jo... Ah say, it was a joke, son!"

Obama within five points in Arizona

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

I hope the momentum is enough to take him over the top

I'm very suspicious about free stuff.

Frank Rich's latest. A must read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/opinio...

A *real* blog, vs. this piece of disgusting infantile garbage.

There has to be a term for a person who posts on a blog she hates with people she despises. 

Fool? 

Okay,

time to cool off. You know, with all the jokes......

Barre Winter Snow Sculptures

1:01 bvt

Maureen Dowd: There Will be Blood

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/opinio...

*cool* snow sculptures.

Frank Rich's latest. A must read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/opinio...

A great op-ed in Obama's behalf which debunks the main attacks against him. But what I liked was where he called both Hillary and Obama "orthodox liberals" instead of the politics-of-fear term "progressives." 

CA & NJ are now TIED.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

sorry for being such a blog hog tonight!

Now I understand why Barack added NJ to his schedule on 4 Feb.

FWIW Basically what DFA has let happen to this blog is indicative (I see NO other way of looking at it) of their complete inability to figure out what the internets are all about. Which shows a deep deep flaw in any purpose it otherwise thinks it has. Clearly, they see email = online = $$$.

Today, I was called by a young lady on behalf of DFA. I simply said NO WAY, and hung up. Until and unless I actually see *some* small sign of comprehension, first among which would be figuring out how to fix the blog, it will remain that way.

I really HATE to see Howard's legacy end like this: not with a bang, but a whimper. . . .

3:21 am EST

This is the first poll I've seen coming out from UT.  It is a newspaper poll, don't know how accurate it is.  But it is good news for Obama. I told my husband Obama was going to win UT. 

Obama leads most likely to vote 53-29.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695249479,00.html

Michelle is visiting here on Mon.

This is one of the many reasons I will never ever vote for HRC.

Ed Coghlan was just starting to prepare his dinner in the northern San Fernando Valley the other night when the phone rang. The caller was very friendly. He identified himself as a pollster who wanted to ask registered independents like Coghlan a few questions about the presidential race and all the candidates for Super Tuesday's California primary.

Ed, who's a former news director for a local TV station, was curious. He said, "Sure, go ahead."

But a few minutes into the conversation Ed says he noticed a strange pattern developing to the questions. First of all, the "pollster" was only asking about four candidates, three Democrats -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, who was still in the race at the time -- and one Republican -- John McCain.

Also, every question about Clinton was curiously positive, Coghlan recalls. The caller said things like, if you knew that Sen. Clinton believed the country had a serious home mortgage problem and had made proposals to....

freeze mortgage rates and save families from foreclosure, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for her?

Ed said, of course, more likely.

Every question about the other candidates was negative. If Ed knew, for instance, that as a state senator Obama had voted "present" 43 times instead of taking a yes or no stand "for what he believed," would Ed be more or less likely to vote for him?

"That's when I caught on," said Coghlan. He realized then that he was being push-polled. That malicious political virus that is designed not to elicit answers but to spread positive information about one candidate and negative information about all others under the guise of an honest poll had arrived in Southern California within days of the important election.

It could become an issue in the closing hours of the campaign.

Someone who obviously favors Hillary Clinton is paying an unidentified company to spread this material phone call by phone call among independent voters, who can, according to California party rules, opt to vote in the Democratic but not the Republican primary on Feb. 5, when nearly two dozen states will choose a large chunk of the delegates to the parties' national conventions next summer.

Coghlan said he was offended by such underhanded tactics and knew he was going to get out a warning about this dirty trick, but he said he played along for the full 20-minute "poll."

"The guy was very slick, very personable," Coghlan told the Ticket. "He never fell out of character as a pollster the entire time. He seemed interested in my answers and just kept going through his list of questions as if he was noting my answers. He was very good, very smooth."

For instance, the caller inquired, had Ed watched a recent Democratic debate? Ed said yes. And who did Ed think had won the debate? the pollster inquired.

Coghlan replied, honestly, that he thought Edwards had won because he was calmer and more reasoned didn't get involved in all the petty arguing and finger-pointing like the other two. Now, the pollster said, if Ed knew that most people believed John Edwards could not get elected in a general election, would Ed be more or less likely to vote for him?

Ed said, oh, well then, less, of course. And the caller appeared to make a note of that.

"He was not pushy at all," Coghlan said. "And at the end he thanked me for giving him my opinions."

Phil Singer, the spokesman for the Clinton campaign. was contacted by e-mail last night. He answered that he was there. He was asked if the Clinton campaign was behind the push-poll, knew who was behind it or had any other information on it. That was at 5:27 p.m. Pacific time Saturday. As of this item's posting time, eight hours later, no reply had been received.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/breaking-news-p.html

Good morning, everybody

The internet was never Howard's strong suit.  It sort of snuk up on him.  There's actually quite a barrier for people who don't like to write to overcome.  I think that's why they went to the mouse and clicking on things.  But even that is intimidating since some people's finger tips aren't sensitive enough to calibrate the timing.  It's pretty good for people who want to write but lack the small muscle control to write legibly.  Lots of people don't like to write.  Writing imposes a structure on thought that they find confining, if not restricting.  It also alerts you to the fact that the brain thinks stuff that the person is not necessarily aware of.  LOL

I got a packet in the mail from DFA the other day.  It contains a three-ring binder with pages and pages of organizing instructions and other stuff.  Also, a whole lot of rectangular buttons, bumper stickers and sticky tags.  Now, if I can just remember to pass this stuff out at the next forum. LOL

According to the accompanying letter from Jim Dean, there are 790 active groups.  I'm assuming that number is fairly accurate since they made at least four efforts to validate may host status and the fact that the group is active.

For the first time ever I've seen a candidate announce the setting up of a DFA campaign page in another venue.  Dodd had one and never made us of it and he had one of the most sophisticated web crews of anyone.

BTW, my son has successfully transfered some of my "literary creations" from the nineties from floppy disks and word perfect to my lap top.  So, I'm going to be doing some revising soon.  I'm hoping I do better at that than at converting all my video tapes to disks.  A two hour tape can take days to transfer, if you do any editing.  So far, I've reviewed three.  LOL 

5:22 AM EST

Talk about being weirded.  I read the Frank Rich piece and was prompted to leave an appreciative comment.  The form came right up and told me I was logged in with a tag I'd all but forgotten.  I decided not to leave a comment. 

Mulder,

do you think it a bad buy?  IE Current TV

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I need to line up a broker to get in on the IPO. It'll be huge as a competitor to youtube when it gets fully portalled (my word) into the internet and some intellectual property manners settle out.

162.  The assertion that "there is no free lunch" is just another way of making the point that only the obedient deserve to survive.  Those who don't follow orders will simply be permitted to starve.  Of course, this simple "truth" has had to be masked with a convoluted system which allocates the earth's resources to "private" ownership, custodians who determine who's deserving and who's not.

OK, so it all depends on Phil, whether the blog is properly sequencing or not.  LOL

BTW, I read somewhere that that rich guy who's moved from the movie into the uranium business and helped Bill Clinton get filthy rich invested in Gore's start up TV enterprise.  The purpose of IPOs is to get the investors their money back with a big profit.

I think you have to remember this blog is way more than some of the other sites where you just leave words. all of the links and youtubes and connections have to make a harder job of running it. If the NSA routing is what is causing the jumping I say take this as a test to the Supreme Court, so Justice Scalia can see what his soulmate Daniel Rooney looks like on the internet. his baby killer rant today was classic wingnut

I remember the early days of outlook express and I accidently clicked sort by subject and lost my margin and couldn't just click back.

It is more likely is something simple like that, but as corrupted code, unfortunately the reboots are leading us back through the beta. margins and the important institutional links are the bugaboo when voting is going on from a click in the margin

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

 The purpose of IPOs is to get the investors their money back with a big profit

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Gore will do good things for the planet with his riches, his buddies are along for the ride, but he couldn't do it without them. capital doesn't return much sitting around, that isn't any more money than a big budget movie

Gore wouldn't let me partner with him on an election campaign so if I own stock in Current TV I have another avenue. I believe I'll do it. less risk than futures positions I take

Well, that explains some things

Some people have lauded great progress in the exposure of illegal mining in DRC, particularly by the group Human Rights Watch (HRW), whose 2005 report “The Curse of Gold” exposed Ugandan officials and multi-national corporations smuggling gold through local rebel militias. The cited rebel groups were the Nationalist and Integrationist Front (FNI) and the People’s Armed Forces of Congo (FAPC). The western companies targeted by HRW were Anglo-Ashanti Gold, a company headquartered in South Africa, and Metalor, a Swedish firm. The HRW report failed to mention that Anglo-Ashanti is partnered with Anglo-American, owned by the Oppenheimer family and partnered with Canada-based Barrick Gold described below (3). London-based Anglo-American Plc. owns a 45% share in DeBeers, another Oppenheimer company that is infamous for its near monopoly of the international diamond industry (4). Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, a director of Anglo-American, is a director of Royal Dutch/Shell and a member of U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan’s Advisory Board (5). The report also suppressed the most damning evidence discovered by HRW researchers—that Anglo-Ashanti sent its top lawyers into eastern DRC to aid rebel militia leaders arrested there.

Several multi-national mining companies have rarely if ever been mentioned in any human rights report. One is Barrick Gold, who operates in the town of Watsa, northwest of the town of Bunia, located in the most violent corner of the Congo. The Ugandan People’s Defense Force (UPDF) controlled the mines intermittently during the war. Officials in Bunia claim that Barrick executives flew into the region, with UPDF and RPF (Rwanda Patriotic Front) escorts, to survey and inspect their mining interests (6).

George H.W. Bush served as a paid advisor for Barrick Gold. Barrick directors include: Brian Mulroney, former PM of Canada; Edward Neys, former U.S. ambassador to Canada and chairman of the private PR firm Burston-Marsteller; former U.S. Senator Howard Baker; J. Trevor Eyton, a member of the Canadian Senate; and Vernon Jordan, one of Bill Clinton’s lawyers (7).

Barrick Gold is one of the client companies of Andrew Young’s Goodworks International lobbying firm. Andrew Young is the former Mayor of Atlanta, and a key organizer of the U.S.-Uganda Friendship Council. Young was chosen by President Clinton to chair the Southern Africa Enterprise Development Fund in October 1994. Goodworks’ clients—or business partners in some cases—include Coke, Chevron-Texaco, Monsanto, and the governments of Angola and Nigeria (note weapons transfers from Nigeria cited below). Young is a director of Cox Communications and Archers Daniels Midland—the “supermarket to the world” and National Public Radio sponsor whose directors include Brian Mulroney (Barrick) and G. Allen Andreas, a member of the European Advisory Board of The Carlyle Group.

Barrick Gold’s mining partners have included Adastra Mining—formerly named America Mineral Fields (AMFI, AMX, other names), formerly based in Hope, Arkansas, Bill Clinton’s hometown. Adastra had close ties with Lazare Kaplan International Inc., the largest diamond brokerage firm in the U.S., whose president, Maurice Tempelsman, has been an advisor on African Affairs to the U.S. Government and has been the U.S. Honorary Consul General of the Congo since 1977 (8).

Maurice Tempelsman accompanied Bill Clinton during his African tour in 1998, and he sails with the Clintons off Martha’s Vineyard. He serves on the International Advisory Council of the American Stock Exchange, and is a director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, a
”scientific” front for his offshore diamond mining—raking the seabed into oblivion.

Adastra also purchased a diamond concession on the Congolese-Angolan border from the Belgian mercenary firm International Defense and Security (1998), and currently has cobalt and copper concessions in Congo’s Katanga (Shaba) province (9). Adastra is a member of the Corporate Council on Africa, along with Goodworks, Halliburton, Chevron-Texaco, Northrop Grumman, GE, Boeing, Raytheon, Bechtel and SAIC—the latter two being secretive intelligence and defense entities involved in classified and supra-governmental “black” projects.

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6:46am

balmy 26 this morning with freezing rain due in tonight and I have to feed another group of cows at 6:04 CST

Hard to keep all these FOBs straight.

Giustra is the mining guy, associated with the Barrick Gold which Gore removed from an event in Santiago, Chile because of its negligent ownership of the Pascua Lama gold mine.

Ron Burkle is the guy that provided start-up funds for Gore's Current TV. 

What's my beef?  All of these characters are engaged in crony capitalism and managing enterprises for which they have no skills.  It used to be called the "good old boy" network.  Now it's become global and how this differs from traditional colonialism is hard to tell.

As I've said before, we have along tradition of government officials "doling out" public assets (in the form of rights) in order to transform them into individual/private wealth.  Now that the North American resources have been pretty much distributed and exploited so little remains but waste, there's a move on to exploit the resources of other continents with equally disasterous effects.

The supposed estrangement between Clinton and Gore has about as much merit as the estrangement between Bush One and Bush Two.

It would seem that whoever dreamed up the Obama campaign to distract the country from Clinton is becoming the victim of the unintended consequences regime.  What the Bushes and Clintons have in common (and what's reflected in their choice of associates) is their parvenu status.

What Obama has through his wife's roots in the low country is that he's definitely not a parvenu.  He's married into a community who's longevity on this continent is rivalled only by the native Americans, with whom, btw, they've intermarried extensively. 

Boy, that Hope, Arkansas sure looks like a hot-bed of innovation and entrepreneurship.

With rebel troops closing in on Kinshasa, Zaire's capital city, huge international companies such as South Africa's Anglo-America, DeBeers, BHP and Phelps Dodge have been scrambling to gain favor with the insurgents headed by Laurent Kabila. Kabila's forces have seized two-thirds of Zaire, including the mineral-rich and diamond-producing areas. But America Mineral Fields has already beat the major companies to the finish line, snagging large contracts for mineral development and diamond trading from the rebel Zairian government.

The obscure AMF was created just two years ago, according to its prospectus, for "the acquisition and development of world-class mineral deposits." In mid-April, Zairian rebel leader and one-time Maoist guerrilla Kabila signed a $1 billion agreement with AMF, giving the firm exclusive rights to explore and develop an area the size of Switzerland in southeastern Zaire.

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According to the Securities and Exchange Commission, Jean Boulle lives in Monaco. He is a seasoned hand at mineral exploration. In the late 1960s, Boulle was the chief diamond buyer for DeBeers, the giant South African firm whose cartel has controlled the diamond trade for decades.

Years later, Boulle found his way to Arkansas and his connections there have helped to make him fabulously wealthy. According to the Houston Chronicle, a company run by Boulle and McMurrough joined a partnership of several companies called the Arkansas Diamond Development Co. in 1988 to develop diamond operations on state-owned lands. Arkansas is believed to have significant deposits of diamonds.

In 1972, the diamond-rich area of southwest Arkansas was purchased by the state and named Crater of Diamonds State Park, preventing private companies from mining the area. In 1986, then-Gov. Clinton appointed a commission to study the feasibility of allowing commercial operations in the park. In 1989, Clinton, despite strong opposition from environmentalists, gave Boulle's mining company the green light to begin testing of the site.

The Chronicle reported in 1994 that Arkansas Diamond Development Co. is a "partnership that includes Exdiam of Dallas, Sunshine Mining Co. of Boise, and a private Arkansas corporation controlled by Stephens Inc., the powerful Little Rock-based investment house." Stephens Inc. is the largest financial house outside of Wall Street and consistently backed Clinton in his campaigns for governor and his 1992 presidential run. Stephens Inc. spokesman Frank Thomas said Stephens "was or is involved with a joint venture with Jean Ramon Boulle in ... Arkansas Diamond Development ... That joint venture is about to draw to a close because they, so far, have not turned up anything worth mining."

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Since then the relationship between Kabila and AMF has flourished. AMF has promised to fund the new government through licensing fees. As a measure of goodwill, AMF has put its corporate jet at the disposal of Kabila, who already has taken one trip to South Africa. In addition to AMF's agreement, another company controlled by Jean Raymond Boulle, America Diamond Buyers, paid $25,000 (the fee under the Mobutu regime had been $150,000) and received the first diamond trading license from the new government.

please recommend

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23761...

For your Sunday morning edification.

9:47 PM EST

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/683473.html

Obama puts excitement in primary

By Marcos Bretón

Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, February 3, 2008
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1

It's Barack Obama. He's the reason Sacramento is buzzing about the California primary and relegating today's Super Bowl to second billing in pop culture significance.

It's the promise of Obama that jolted cynics into opening their wallets and spurred them to action when they otherwise could be debating the "greatness" of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

Hillary Rodham Clinton still may win the Democratic presidential nomination. America may not be ready for a multiracial man like Obama, but make no mistake: Obama is the reason politics are so fascinating right now.

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Should the Patriots win today..................

   **** 19-0-0    Got caught filming NY Jets practices before Game 1

  ***** More evidence coming forth Patriots filmed STL Rams practices prior to that Super Bowl

Now, this may not mean much o the average sports fan, bu it IS significant and all i can say is I am glad its their team and not mine..........theres nothing worse han getting into bed with a huge stain on the sheets.

Of course we live in a country where people cheer and applaud leaders who lie to them, falsely lead the public into war,  many major sports celebrities dope themselves up on steroids, have criminal records, shoot their pregnant girlfriend, have turned the once great game of basketbal into nothing more than a school yard slug fest where the greats can do a topsy turvy dunk yet cannot make a simple layup etc etc etc.......

I wish people would stop talking about Obama and Clinton as a dream ticket.  She needs him a lot more than he needs her.

I think we should all be imaginging Obama winning the Presidency. Imagination is the first step in the creative process.  Dont' cloud the visualization.

If Clinton wins and offers Obama VP, it will just be, as Obama says "boiling the hope" out of him-- making him corrupt enough to be the President later.

And even though Obama stole this line from Dennis, I think he will be right on day one.

The assholes are on MTP w/Pig Russert

Pa, you got my reply, right?

 Got caught filming NY Jets practices before Game 1

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I didn't pay much attention to the filming incident,

but I am under the impression that the Patriot staff was caught stealing the signals of the opposing team, as the signals were relayed to the QB.

Progressive Avenger

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I agree,

Hillary could use Barack on the ticket, but the "movement" would be stifled (or as you say boiled out).

Barack does not need Hillary as his VP.  In fact, Sen Clinton could be an instrumental ally in the Senate.

Visualization is a great idea, PA. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LOvWoK_8f8

by Benn Ray

Lately, I've been very uncomfortable with Democrats that keep harping on the idea that what this country needs is bipartisan action. While the Democrats are poised to make gains in the Senate and the House and even take the White House by year's end, to be calling for "bipartisanship" seems to be to be announcing that before they even get elected to the office they seek, Democrats are ready to compromise.

And what centrists and moderates who mistakenly think of bipartisanship as some form of populist wisdom don't understand is that it is actually surrender. But what is going to fix the mess Republicans have made of this country over the past 7 years is not bipartisanship (see, Repbubs have moved America so far to the extreme right that to compromise now would still leave us too far right), but a solid progressive agenda.

But I guess the real problem I have with "bipartisanship" is that it has come to mean "Democrats need to vote Republican so the White House gets what it wants."

Glenn Grenwald explains...
...in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case.
...
In almost every case, the proposals that are enacted are ones favored by the White House and supported by all GOP lawmakers, and then Democrats split and enough of them join with Republicans to ensure that the GOP gets what it wants. That's "bipartisanhip" in Washington.

On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means.

Greenwald has a list of "bipartisan" votes that nicely illustrate the point he is making.

So please, from now own, realize, when someone says "spirit of bipartisanship," what they are saying is "continuation of the corrupt Republican agenda."

Now is not the time for bipartisanship.

http://sugarfreak.typepad.com/mobtownshank/2008/02/wtf-bipartisans.html

That is an excellent video, Monica.

YES WE CAN

I can visualize that!

Yes, it's time for non-partisanship, just as it's time for non-profit.  That may seem inconsistent with "Yes We Can," except for the fact that profit has become the handmaiden of failure.  Or maybe it's the other way around.  We've moved from "planned obsolescence" to "failure by design." 

Instead of profit being a result of avoiding waste or economies of scale, it's increasingly the result of providing less (goods, service, quality) for the same price.

What doth it profit a man, if he lose his own soul? 

Well good morning blorgie,

183.

Monica Smith
Sun, 02/03/08

I think the upper class, the movers and shakers, have moved from a national paradigm to an international one. It's us little guys who have been left behind. There's one bright star on the horizon though and it's medical tourism, getting great dental work for a fraction of the cost in Buenos Aires or Eastern Europe or even south of our border for example. I've heard people go abroad for surgeries as well. What I'm hoping is it'll bring our medical and particularly dental prices down in the USA. Btw, don't forget "Mr" Bush's SPP meeting this spring. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/...

Btw I agree that natural resources should be coop'd the way we do water and electricity.

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Not too much news on the morning shows but I was heartened by the Zogby-CSPAN poll for Obama in CA, NJ, MO, and one more. http://www.c-span.org/pdf/zogby/Reuters_...
Tuesday will be a very long day for Obama supporters. Btw CSPAN is televising an Oprah/Michelle show this afternoon at 4:30 I think. Although I sure don't see it on their schedule anywhere. Don't know if it's always been true but Chris Matthews Sunday show today and last week have not been up to date. One nugget was Joe Klein saying Dem nomination would come down to Ohio, believe he said March 4.

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I have a football comment don't faint. In the 80's when Dallas was hot and before SF became hot, my at the time hubby was a big Dallas fan. Out of desperation one Sunday, I sat down to watch the Dallas-SF game, might have been a playoff. He said, "won't be much of a game implying Dallas would wipe floor with SF. Well, SF wiped the floor with Dallas that day and (point of my story) defensive end FRED DEAN had a lot to do with it, sacking Dallas's QB several times. So I became a big Fred Dean fan and was delighted to see he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame yesterday.

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ttfn!

Imn2Paine
Sun, 02/03/08
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personally, as a sports fan and predicor for well over 40 years now, i would have to say the filimg incident of the jets before week#1 may have contributed to the Pats win and that would be somewhat significant and again a mark on a very good season...........so again, should 19-0 take place today a real sports fan would allow for the asterisk to be put next to the team.............to bad really, because when you think about it, how stupid it ws to do that, NE really didnt need that IMO, they could have beaten the jets without it................

Fraternal twin eh?  very good............special

Monica Smith
Sun, 02/03/08
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Have I ever told you my theory on "bipartisanship"?  especially in this case with the dems and especialy Obama?  What we may witness will be the final chapter in the left or liberal america.....the right has slowly and methodically been engulfing it starting with the reagan democrats in the 80s..........its my 'Norman Bates" theory......from the movie Psycho............

Now, Norman9the dems) in the end get s colpletely taken over(in his mind) by his Mother-the repubs(rememeber the Mother kiled all the girls and detective).......thats what happens, th dems get totally absorbed by the repubs eventually.............friendly, hopeful bipartisanship is the start...............nice guys finish last.

Annilow
Sun, 02/03/08

Reply to this

Most International mover and shakers come to the US for their medical care.  They fly in by the thousands to Minnesota, Texas, New York, California, etc. 

200. Stat Man -- I'm talking about saving money not getting the best care money can buy. I'm saying you can get great care at a much lower cost elsewhere, especially dental care. Now you will want links right? Maybe in a little while I'll look.

I found a KOS diary on the Oprah thing - no guarantee of timeliness or accuracy. I thought CSPAN said 4:30 but this says 1:30 I think. So do your own d* research LOL. Think this is aimed at us ladies who don't have a lot of em interest in that game you fellas are watching.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/2/1...

196.

While the Democrats are poised to make gains in the Senate and the House and even take the White House by year's end, to be calling for "bipartisanship" seems to be to be announcing that before they even get elected to the office they seek, Democrats are ready to compromise.

Paine,

Biopartisanship is the way to get things done in Washington and it is not a bad thing. Two heads are always better than one and including both sides of the argument is also a good thing.

What we have seen over the course of the last 20 years is that partisanship which just doesn't work. Half of all citizens are left out of the equation. It is desirable now for Dems to take over and try to change the system back to one that worked pre-Nixon.

The Republicans really are stuck now in Iraq with McCain as presumptive nominee so I expect the war to be the dividing line between the parties, and the path Obama will take to the nomination after his close second Tuesday(virtual delegate tie).

Hillary used her answer to George S on This Week to directly appeal to Edwards supporters with her answer on universal health care and took great pains to do it. I give her points for seeing that need and seizing that opportunity.

GALLUP poll: Obama has surged within one point.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

More new polls: Obama leading

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2...

Hillary used her answer to George S on This Week to directly appeal to Edwards supporters with her answer on universal health care and took great pains to do it. I give her points for seeing that need and seizing that opportunity.

Being sucked up to for almost an entire year before the IA caucuses wasn't enough for you? 

Being sucked up to for almost an entire year before the IA caucuses wasn't enough for you? 

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I'm an Obama delegate and it has nothing to do with me I've already voted. I would note that it is that kind of professional use of opportunity that gives a status quo candidate like Clinton even odds in a change election.

what have you done for Obama today in Arizona? you have an election coming up, mine has passed

what have you done for Obama today in Arizona?

I guess you weren't around the hundred or so times I've pointed out that I'm not an Obama supporter. 

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