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10 Reasons To Ban Gay Marriage

Written by: Cheryl on Jun 16, 2008 5:13 PM EDT

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This was too good not to cross post here. I don't know who the original author is but the Kos diarist is Pelcan.

If you have a Kos account, you can tip him/her here by recommending the diary on Kos.
Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

From the Facebook group, Against Gay Marriage? Then Don't Get One and SHUT THE F@@K UP (UCLA Chapter)

I had to admit I laughed out loud, especially at the bolded ones since I have heard these "arguments" made in the past and now I have some good comebacks.

I know some here probably oppose gay marriage. I just don't really get why. So, here is a little humorous twist on a serious topic.

Update: In trying to keep the copyrights kosher, I researched and found two sites to credit.StopGeek. com who copied an email version from Gator Gay-Straight Alliance. The Gator Gay-Straight Alliance lists 12. We still don't know the original author or how many revisions it has gone through, which often happens in cyberspace but that is as far as I could dig for credits.

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- Howard Dean and brother Jim are first

By Cheryl on Jun 16, 2008 5:38 PM EDT

as are equal rights for all!

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- Howard is first for more than 10 reasons!

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 16, 2008 5:41 PM EDT

Thanks Cheryl for sharing this ~ always good to have a sense of humor on a serious subject.  I don't get the opposition either other than we all have our own perspectives.

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- They have other good ones at that last site

By Cheryl on Jun 16, 2008 5:51 PM EDT

And I found they have a creative commons license so cross posting is okay. They have one "Why Women Are Property".

As far as why people are opposed, I guess they will come on and tell us if they read this but I have yet to hear a logical reason. I would think if they value marriage they would think the more people who are united the better. The Spears one cracks me up the most. People on their 4th marraiges who talk to me about opposing gay marriage...just nuts if you ask me.

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- I read this over at Daily Kos - thanks for posting it here Cheryl !!

By mary vb on Jun 17, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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- The Endorsement

By Tom Bearse on Jun 17, 2008 12:23 AM EDT

We got to the JLA at around 6:30 p.m. and saw streams of people lined up n down the steep west end stairs to get in, and across two sky walks that led to nearby adjoining parking structures. It was all orderly, though. The doors had opened at 6:00.

We went to the end of the line leading to the west, or Gordie Howe Entrance, which stretched about a quarter mile to the edge of the Detroit River. The line moved well enough to get us into the Joe slightly after 7:00 p.m. We hurried up to the second tier to nab seats in section 202B below Mike Ilitch's suite. The place was probably 1/3 full, including the press, VIP's, and local organization members milling around the arena floor.

Joe Louis holds almost 20,000, and it was bulging by the time Gov. Granholm took the stage shortly before 9:00 p.m. She introduced both Gore and Obama to a thundering ovation. I have seen President and Sen. Clinton, Vice president Gore, and Gov. Dean before, but simply have not witnessed anything like an Obama rally, a giant political revival in a concert-sized rocking venue, before.

Gore is a gifted speaker, but he was masterful tonight. His endorsement was true, ringing and heartfelt. Obama's reciprocal complimentary remarks obviously were as well. There was effusive praise for Sen. Clinton from all three, and it was more than obvious that Gore withheld his endorsement strictly in deference to her. The strategy should pay off when McCain winds up the path of this juggernaut. I wouldn't wish his situation on anyone.

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By Karen on Jun 17, 2008 12:30 AM EDT

I loved Chauncey Billups' intro!

 

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- Some of my best friends are rich.

By Tom Bearse on Jun 17, 2008 12:36 AM EDT

The only person in attendance who will get part of the 25% of McCain's tax cut earmarked for annual income earners over $2.5 million, according to Obama.

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By seashell on Jun 17, 2008 12:31 AM EDT

Let's hope the repugs don't dump McC!

Great laughs, Cheryl!

"If Obama moves to the corps he is going to lose his base."
And if the youth aren't his base, he'll lose them too. Frankly, I think he'll not only move but embrace the corps. Does he really have a choice? Do any good pols have choices anymore?

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- But, just in case,

By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 7:31 AM EDT

let's keep an eye on Huckabee and Jeb Bush.

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- Keep Up the Good Work

By P. A. on Jun 17, 2008 12:33 AM EDT

Hi All,

I will too busy to pay much attention to the rest of the election, I just wanted to pop in and say keep up the good work.

God Bless America

 

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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:40 AM EDT

Congress Ready to Betray Fourth with Spy “Immunity” Bill

 

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June 15, 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House and congressional negotiators have reached a tentative agreement on an anti-terror spy bill that would permit court dismissal of potentially billions of dollars in lawsuits against phone companies, sources familiar with the talks said on Friday.

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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:41 AM EDT

Scanners that see through clothing installed in US airports

 

NEW YORK (AFP) - Security scanners which can see through passengers’ clothing and reveal details of their body underneath are being installed in 10 US airports, the US Transportation Security Administration said Tuesday.

A random selection of travellers getting ready to board airplanes in Washington, New York’s Kennedy, Los Angeles and other key hubs will be shut in the glass booths while a three-dimensional image is made of their body beneath their clothes.

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- One more thing...

By P. A. on Jun 17, 2008 12:52 AM EDT

I will pop in from time to time to say hi, so you'll know I'm still kickin.' I will give at least one report from my vacation.

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- P.A.

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 1:03 AM EDT

Have a great time ~ looking forward to hearing from you

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- Wanted: Biblical Scholar

By Marty S on Jun 17, 2008 12:55 AM EDT

I'm not a biblical scholar but somewhere in the Bible it states that "eating shellfish is an abomination" much like homosexulaity is according to those who say it is. However on Sunday a line snakes around Red Lobster...And is it true that I must stone my neighbor if he works on Sunday?

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 1:04 AM EDT

lol

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 1:32 AM EDT

far from a biblical scholar, but most of the passages in Leviticus are ignored and thought rather humourous today. 

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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 1:03 AM EDT

The foregone nomination of Barack Obama, which, according to one breathless commentator, “marks a truly exciting and historic moment in US history”, is a product of the new delusion. Actually, it just seems new. Truly exciting and historic moments have been fabricated around US presidential campaigns for as long as I can recall, generating what can only be described as bullshit on a grand scale. Race, gender, appearance, body language, rictal spouses and offspring, even bursts of tragic grandeur, are all subsumed by marketing and “image-making”, now magnified by “virtual” technology. Thanks to an undemocratic electoral college system (or, in Bush’s case, tampered voting machines) only those who both control and obey the system can win. This has been the case since the truly historic and exciting victory of Harry Truman, the liberal Democrat said to be a humble man of the people, who went on to show how tough he was by obliterating two cities with the atomic bomb.

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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
   

Understanding Obama as a likely president of the United States is not possible without understanding the demands of an essentially unchanged system of power: in effect a great media game. For example, since I compared Obama with Robert Kennedy in these pages, he has made two important statements, the implications of which have not been allowed to intrude on the celebrations. The first was at the conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), the Zionist lobby, which, as Ian Williams has pointed out, “will get you accused of anti-Semitism if you quote its own website about its power”. Obama had already offered his genuflection, but on 4 June went further. He promised to support an “undivided Jerusalem” as Israel’s capital. Not a single government on earth supports the Israeli annexation of all of Jerusalem, including the Bush regime, which recognises the UN resolution designating Jerusalem an international city.

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- Homosapiens

By Marty S on Jun 17, 2008 1:21 AM EDT

Dear Dan,

in 1952, the popular Florida Sen. Claude Pepper was unseated by George Smathers who unleashed a whispering campaign throughout the rural Florida farmland that Pepper was well known in Washington as a "homosapien" whose daughter was an outright "thespian" who performed "thespian-like" acts in front of paying audiences!

So I agree with you. I don't want any homosapeins in our schools teaching our daughters to become thespians.

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By dan r on Jun 17, 2008 1:34 AM EDT

is it me or is it true that alot of   republicains are gay and the dems are into infidelity,maybe it evil run amok?

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 1:42 AM EDT

that's funny!  I'd say neither knows political party boundaries and neither is evil, although infidelity is a no-no.

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- I don't equate being gay with infidelity.

By Janet L on Jun 17, 2008 7:55 AM EDT

One is a moral choice to hurt another.

The other is just a matter of how your born. Homosexuality isn't anymore "evil" than heterosexuality.

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 1:31 PM EDT

Hi Janet, welcome to the blog!  Thanks for adding that.

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- Moving on from the fun of the thread post

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 2:20 AM EDT

let's get serious in steps...

6 June 2008

A USA Today/Gallup Poll found that:

63% of adults say same-sex marriage is "strictly a private decision" between two people, while 33% believe the government should have the right "to prohibit or allow" marriage for lesbian and gay couples.

79% of 18- to 29-year-olds polled believe the U.S. government has no right to intervene in the decision of gay and lesbian couples to wed.

These percentages highlight the growing support for marriage equality across the nation.

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- gays *are* the same as us but their rights are not

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 2:24 AM EDT

from the Human Rights Campaign site:

Currently, same-sex couples are entitled to all of the state-level rights and benefits of marriage in Massachusetts. In addition, same-sex couples in New Jersey, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut are able to enter into state-level civil unions, and there are broad domestic partnership laws in California and Oregon. In New York, after a 2008 court ruling, valid out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples must be legally recognized.

(obviously that phrase on CA needs updating. for state specific status, see:  http://www.hrc.org/issues/marriage.asp

 

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- just grabbin' toolbar rights :-)

By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 2:32 AM EDT

1,049 Federal Benefits for Married Couples

Government Printing Office, 1997

A resource that is often cited in discussions about same-sex marriage is the list of more than 1,000 rights, benefits and responsibilities that are available to married couples but unavailable to same-sex couples who are denied the right to marry. The source of this information is a Government Accounting Office (GAO) report that was issued Jan. 31, 1997. The report (B-275860) can be downloaded from the GAO website in PDF format.

http://www.hrc.org/issues/5538.htm

 

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- Presumably--

By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 5:45 AM EDT

The reason these benefits can be quantified is because there are dollars associated with them.  The social benefits of mutual support, health care supervision, shared domestic arrangements, etc. are not able to be quantified because there's no dollar amount attached.  Same goes for better household management in a two adult household, rather than just one.  Of course, much of the housing bubble has been created by the increasing fragmentation of households so that where the norm used to be three or four individuals per household, you're now down to 1.5, and that doesn't include the "homeless" who don't have a roof over their heads.  We've got an epidemic of homeless people; but we've also got an epidemic of peopleless homes--some that are empty for days and nights and months and others that are empty during most daylight hours.

One of the significant contributing factors to people's reluctance to live with others and stay at home is the increasing failure to respect individual privacy--people get out of the house just to be left alone for a while.  Which strikes me as a rather peculiar evolution in a nation that's supposedly officially committed to the right to privacy.  One suspects that, as with so much else, the right to privacy gets a lot of lip service-- and a lot of abuse in practice.

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- You write excellent comments

By Janet L on Jun 17, 2008 7:56 AM EDT

I enjoy reading them.

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- Rice Says Houses Hurt Mideast Talks

By Fred from Oregon on Jun 17, 2008 2:46 AM EDT

By ETHAN BRONNER
JERUSALEM — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday that thousands of housing units that Israel is building on captured land were harming peace talks with the Palestinians. She also said she could not understand why Israel was still blocking three Fulbright grantees from leaving Gaza....

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I don't know where they are going to put the other state, in the much ballyhooed "two State solution" more like a "two State red herring"

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- Headline

By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 6:09 AM EDT

This headline is a really good example of the false attribution of agency.  Think of that--"houses hurt talks."  Right--a logical fallacy and a practical impossibility.

Maybe it's just a matter of confusing co-incidence with cause and effect.

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- No reason to ban "gay marriage"

By Fred from Oregon on Jun 17, 2008 2:48 AM EDT
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- Just need to call it something else

By Fred from Oregon on Jun 17, 2008 2:49 AM EDT
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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 2:53 AM EDT

some feel that way, others don't

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By seashell on Jun 17, 2008 2:55 AM EDT

by Allison Kilkenny | June 16, 2008 - 4:14pm | permalink
article tools: email | print | read more Allison Kilkenny

At last, Barack Obama is the Democratic Party's official nominee. Now, the Democrats move forward to November, but what sterling proxy will rise forth from the political herd to wow the country as Obama's right-hand man (or woman)?

Thus far, the suggestions are stunning in their mediocrity. There's not enough blogging room available on the internet to properly tear apart all of the Veep suggestions, so I have decided to focus on two of my favorite suggestions: Bill Richardson and Tom Daschle.

This is probably an appropriate time to mention that the following critique is chock full of profanity, offensive observations, and sarcastic musings.

» article continues...

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- Why call it something else?

By Janet L on Jun 17, 2008 7:57 AM EDT

I have been happily married for decades. Why shouldn't gay people have that same right?

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By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 17, 2008 2:56 AM EDT

need to start moving to daytime schedule, eek!

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

 

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- Iranian presence? In SA?

By Fred from Oregon on Jun 17, 2008 3:10 AM EDT

These guys are seeing Iranians under their beds.

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- Oh Poo

By seashell on Jun 17, 2008 3:18 AM EDT

I can't pull up the transcript of Gore's speech..

So I'll say bon nuit.

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By Fred from Oregon on Jun 17, 2008 3:19 AM EDT

nite nite

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- Good morning, everybody

By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 5:19 AM EDT

Got three copies of the Gore endorsement message.  Looks like they have to meld some email lists.

I am not enthused this morning, since I heard Obama specify on the evening news that it's the combat troops he wants to bring out--no mention of Air Force, Navy and whoever's manning the missiles and radar installations and satellite dishes.

Anyway, I've been reading in my National Journal and learned that the VA has to wait on budget appropriations on an annual bases and that, when the budget is passed late (137 days in 2007, 86 in 2008) all kinds of things have to be interrupted, including payments to nurses and doctors.  That the VA population being cared for has swollen by 1.3 million doesn't help.  I'm going to write up a KOS diary on the story and post it here, as well.

A little blurb on Amtrak (which I expect to be on this time next week) has led to two thoughts.  On the one hand, the funding bill encourages "private sector investment in high speed rail" for which there is no good reason because, IMHO, public funds should not be used to "encourage" or otherwise manipulate the private sector, but to do things that need to be done.  This "ulterior motive" pattern is very wasteful.  That goes for much of the federal budget and the tax code.  Social engineering ought not to be a governmental interest.

My second thought has to do with the assertion that Amtrak should become self-sufficient.  That's a total crock.  There's not a single private corporation that doesn't rely on funding from the public to keep going and expand operations and to afford acquisitions--and without much of a commitment to actually persisting and performing the services they promised.  I would love for private enterprise to be self-funding and accumulate capital to fund their own renovation and expansion, but until that happens, it's an outrageous standard to set for public enterprise that has to provide service, and do so on time, regardless of whether it's needed at a particular moment or not.

Bush/Cheney really exist in an upside down world.  They want to anticipate and prevent human warfare, but they're entirely content to sit back and await disasterour natural events, which actually happen on a much more regular basis and are, therefor, quite predictable.  Guess that's what happens when you're fixated on belief and intent, rather than causes and their effects.  (In Georgie's case, it's possible that he doesn't recognize the relationship between cause and effect and has an awareness of sequential events, at best.  Coincidence is confusing for people who don't register cause and effect).

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By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 5:30 AM EDT

the real reason to oppose homosexual unions is because they re-enforce the dangerous notion of human equality and deny the importance of potential paternity to validate the natural superiority of the male.  It's the potential to start a new life which certifies the importance of the male.  This is also why terminating a pregnancy on purpose is so dangerous.  It undoes what man hath wrought; it aims to destroy man's association with the Creator of all life itself. Man has invented God to make himself feel important.  Take that participation in the continuation of creation away from him and what does he have?  He's as nothing.

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By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 6:05 AM EDT

As always, good point Monica

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By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 6:05 AM EDT
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- More on guess what?--impeachment

By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 6:14 AM EDT

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/lindorff/109

On Monday last week, something important happened in Washington. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, the Democratic representative from Cleveland, who early in the primary season won some of the biggest applause lines in the Democratic presidential candidate debates, introduced 35 articles calling for the impeachment of President George W. Bush for high crimes and misdemeanors.

A week later, it has still not been reported in The New York Times, the nation's self-described "newspaper of record," even though the Times had just days before Rep. Kucinich's action, editorialized about the enormity of the president's lies in tricking the country into invading Iraq -- one of the crimes leading Rep. Kucinich's long list.

A number of papers did editorialize against impeachment, including the Philadelphia Inquirer and the (South Florida) Sun Sentinel -- but it says something that these publications thought it more important to attack Rep. Kucinich's action than to actually report on it as a news item.

The unwillingness of the nation's news media to seriously consider the need for Congress to respond to and challenge the president's clear abuses of power -- even as they themselves condemn of those abuses of power -- is a blot on the journalistic profession perhaps worse, and of more lasting consequence, than their failure to act as watchdogs and critics during the run-up to the Iraq War, when they acted more as patriotic cheerleaders than as news organizations.

As impeachment advocates, including Rep. Kucinich, have pointed out, unless this president and vice president are impeached by the current Congress, any -- and probably every -- future president will feel empowered by unchallenged precedent to ignore laws passed by the Congress, to go to war without Congressional approval, to spy on Americans in violation of the law, to ignore court orders, to abrogate international treaties, and to lie to Congress and the American people. Unless Congress asserts its rights under Article I, it will no longer even be a co-equal branch of government, but instead will have been reduced to nothing more than a debating society.

Editorialists, while refusing to honestly report on this Constitutional crisis, have been parroting the claim of gutless and calculating Democratic Party leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in saying that with the nation at war and with a critical election approaching, there are "more pressing" matters to consider than impeachment, and that impeachment would be a "diversion."

This is nonsense. As hundreds of American troops continue to die each quarter in a war that never should have happened, and that was launched five years ago and continued for half a decade thanks to administration lies and deception, there is nothing more important facing this nation than restoring Constitutional government and Constitutional checks and balances -- something that can only be done through the Constitutional process of impeachment.

The American people instinctively know this. In polls, fully half or more of the public consistently continue to say, even at this late date, that they want the president impeached. Considering the media blackout on the issue, this is truly astonishing and even heartening. But it will take more than polls to get impeachment rolling. The public needs to start demanding that its representatives take action, on pain of being voted out of office.

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- make hay while the sun shines

By Phil Specht on Jun 17, 2008 6:15 AM EDT

You have no idea how heavenly those big bales of hay I was putting in the shed smelled last night after that flood water full of sewage, farm chemicals, and mud.

the spring was so cold and wet that the quality is good enough to make milk even at this very late date by the calendar but the race is on

food prices are high enough that I'll stick to making milk (hay) today

that old expression actually is true, although most that use it never mean it literally .... there used to be dozens of temporary jobs for teenagers, handling little square bales, ... no more

the big balers are four to five times more "productive", but we are depriving kids of the joy of the last bale off a wagon after a good workout

now you need membership at a gym

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By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 7:40 AM EDT

is useful.  The problem we face is that this usefulness has been perverted by pushing us to quantify things in terms of money that needn't be and, on the other hand, defining those that can't be as unimportants or irrelevant.  Man used to be known as the tool-using animal--i.e. able to use his hands to "manipulate" the things he encounters in nature.  Now, manipulation has been turned into a pejorative in being used to refer to man's efforts to get other men to do his bidding.

Instead of using our hands to replicate the processes of material creation, too many of us are focused on manipulating people and their reproduction.  And people who aren't into reproduction are vilified.

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- Hay Story

By Tom Bearse on Jun 17, 2008 8:41 AM EDT

From high school to college, I worked five summers in Gaylord, Michigan as a counsellor at a boys camp.  As a junior counsellor in high school, the jobs ranged from kitchen help to johns to laundry to by far the most prestigious, corral boy. 

After a summer of kitchen duty, the jobs would rotate every two weeks.  I was first trip corral boy, i.e., the first two weeks of the camp season, two summers in a row.  That meant waking before every other human to get the horses from the corral to the stalls, groom them, feed them saddle them, and then shovel up all the horseshit until the evening, when the horses went back in the corral.

Twice a summer, some of the jc's and senior counsellors who were either instructors or seconds went on a hay run, where we'd all jump inside or on the back of stake truck and head to the farm that baled hay.  After stacking about 150 bales on the truck, we'd head back and train them into the corral loft.  I can testify that they did seem heavy after lugging the first 15 or so.

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- If you can buy milk at your location under $4 a gallon you are getting a heck of a deal.

By Phil Specht on Jun 17, 2008 6:30 AM EDT

Dairy farmers are eating a lot of the increases in costs so far. some will probably quit.

there are horror stories coming out of farms on the flood plains, agriculture is the unreported story

and I get local news from MN and WI and both states have been hammered as well

we need to go to the old oriental model of government that blamed the Emperor if the weather God was displeased and they would lose there job, then impeachment would be un-necessary, lol

I think Conyers needs to set a date for the first hearing.

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- speaking of our kids ...

By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 7:12 AM EDT

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

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4101  in Iraq

521 in Afghanistan

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- Making Hay

By rich^kolker on Jun 17, 2008 7:22 AM EDT

I was a suburban kid, but one summer my folks decided we needed some ruralization and took us out to stay on a (tourist) farm in upstate New York.  We got to watch (and smell) the cows being milked, the birthing of a calf, and yes, went out with the hay baler and helped stack up the bales on the truck.

The biggest treat was the big scoops of fresh butter on the dinner table.

Jobs for kids are getting harder and harder to find, because of mechanization, and because others who wouldn't have taken those jobs in the past will take them now.  It's unusual to see a teenager working at a fast food restaurant these days.

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By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 7:37 AM EDT

When I was a teenager, I picked tobacco on farms along the Connecticut River.  Kids from Florida joined us local kids, as well as migrant male adults from Puerto Rico, etc.

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- Having people live in dispersed, under-occupied

By Monica Smith on Jun 17, 2008 7:51 AM EDT

residential units is detrimental in all sorts of ways.  If you have three houses close together with fifteen kids in them, you've got a work-force that can be relied on for more than a decade.

This is not to argue that every couple should have a lot of children, but, at this moment in our history, we've got Vincente Fox making the argument that the U.S. requires half a million Mexican workers more a year to keep the economy going.

When laborers have to transport themselves individually to a work site, that 's very inefficient.  The spouse employs a young man who's really only working to keep up his car and when he can't come to work, it's often that the car needs servicing.  We are enslaving our children to the automobile.  It's "voluntary servitude" plain and simple; the reality is that we've made it impossible for them to get around on their own.

But, that's an old rant.......................................

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- the rural vote

By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 7:42 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080617/pl_bloomberg/amzfo3yeb4g_1

Obama May Get Rural Votes on Farm-Subsidy Support, McCain Stand

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June 17 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama, a black Democrat from Chicago's South Side, may win a healthy share of the rural vote for president. The reason: Republican John McCain's opposition to agricultural interests, including crop subsidies pending in Congress.

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Rural voters -- 20 percent of the electorate, according to the Center for Rural Strategies, a nonpartisan group in Whitesburg, Kentucky -- can make the difference in close national campaigns.

In 2004, President George W. Bush's 59 percent of the rural vote -- people living outside metropolitan areas with more than 50,000 population -- helped him become the first Republican to carry Iowa in 20 years; in Ohio, whose 20 electoral votes put him over the top, he won rural areas by 149,469 votes, which exceeded his statewide margin of 136,221.

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Voters in many farm states have reliably backed Republicans for decades: No Democrat has carried North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Nebraska, or Kansas since 1964.

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McCain starts with a 50-41 percent lead over Obama among rural voters in 13 swing states, according to a mid-May poll commissioned by the rural strategies group.

Obama, 46, says he supports the farm legislation.
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While Obama hails from the third-largest U.S. city, Illinois ranked third among agricultural states last year, behind California and Iowa, with crop production valued at $13.8 billion, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Arizona ranked 29th, with crops worth $1.6 billion. Decatur, Illinois, is home to Archer Daniels Midland Co., the world's largest grain processor and one of the biggest ethanol producers.

Biofuels Disagreement

Obama supported increased use of biofuels in an energy bill passed last year. McCain in May joined senators calling on the Environmental Protection Agency to relax renewable-fuels requirements.

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- struggling to listen ?

By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 7:56 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-candidate-Arlington2C-Va-Sen-John-McCain/photo//080616/480/95c8d7d5d169435f9fb5dfe9fae24a8e//s:/ap/20080617/ap_on_el_pr/anti_mccain_ad;_ylt=AgBU5DpB13SaAJlFf09AnGth24cA

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., ...

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., listens to a reporter's question during a press briefing at his campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va., Monday, June 16, 2008.<cite id="captionCite">(AP Photo/LM Otero) </cite>

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- now Michigan is the state to be in ...

By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 8:12 AM EDT

The Endorsement

By Tom Bearse on Jun 17, 2008 12:23 AM

We got to the JLA at around 6:30 p.m. and saw streams of people lined up n down the steep west end stairs to get in, and across two sky walks that led to nearby adjoining parking structures.

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Tom -
Nice to get a first-hand account.  Thanks.
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- This is Tom Bearse reporting from Detroit, Michigan.

By Tom Bearse on Jun 17, 2008 8:45 AM EDT

I always ask people who attend events in person to report to the blog.  I appreciate the details.

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By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 8:53 AM EDT

Impressive on TV. I'm sure it was thrilling live--good report Tom

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- It's not a lie if you say it often enough

By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 8:25 AM EDT

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/mary-matalin-repeats-lie-about-china-drilling-off-the-coast-of-cuba/

Appearing on the Situation Room today, conservative pundit Mary Matalin insisted on opening more U.S. land, including the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, to oil drilling, claiming that the U.S. is “the only nation” impeding efforts at more drilling. She repeated the conservatives’ current favorite lie: that China is drilling near Cuba, just off the coast of Florida — even though the lie has been thoroughly debunked and Vice President Cheney himself has admitted the story was false.
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- Will Durst on the merciful end of the Democratic Primary

By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 8:34 AM EDT

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/87656/

 

At long last, the bedraggled Democrats have come to the blessed end of their perpetual primary pursuit. Not the beginning of the end. Nor the almost near middle of the end, but the very end end. The butt end. The last millimeter of moldy hair on the bulbous pimple on the butt end of the end end. An end officially signaled by the reluctant arrival of Hillary Clinton at the sequestered gate of Acceptance.

Acceptance. The final state of grief which has been attained only after an unseemly amount of time spent lounging with her old man on the porch swing at the House of Denial. And a couple of not so brief forays to the double-wide Recreational Vehicle of Anger and Depression. Then some boilermakers and cigars back at Denial House. And don't forget that quickie in the Vice Presidential Suite of the Bargaining Motel. But now the cloak of Acquiescence has been thrown over her shoulders by members of her own staff, while the Democratic Tactless Squad wraps Bill in the Shut- the Hell- Up Sheet while beating him across the head and shoulders with rolled up copies of the latest issue of Vanity Fair.

The Dems are fond of calling themselves the party of the big tent, which is all well and good, but you know what else they hold in big tents? Oriental rug sales. Used car clearances. And circuses. And as the newly installed ringleader, Mr. Obama is going to need to find himself a really big chair and an awfully long whip to control the political menagerie that will be encircling him. And something bright and shiny to keep the paying customers focused on the center ring and not the eternally attendant freak show. And cotton candy is always nice.

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- McCain's Playbook--Hate, Fear, and Caveman Politics

By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 8:51 AM EDT

http://www.alternet.org/election08/88211/?page=2

Some of us who have been mesmerized by the Obama-Clinton cage match during the past six months may have developed certain delusions about the state of American politics, in two areas in particular. One is the idea, much pushed by wishful-thinking media commentators like myself, that the abject failure and unpopularity of the Bush administration somehow means the Republican revolution is over, and the mean-ass hate-radio conservatism of Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh is finally dead. The other is the even more quaint notion that the historic, groundbreakingly successful candidacies of a black man and a woman have ushered in a futuristic era of political tolerance and open-mindedness.

It's bunk, all of it, and nobody understands this better than John McCain. Like Hillary Clinton, an erstwhile vilified liberal who remade herself as a flag-waving, Sixties-bashing champion of "hardworking Americans, white Americans" once the remarkable candidacy of Barack Obama forced her off her old turf, the one-time "insurgent" McCain has finally decided to sail with the wind at his back by going dumb and courting the same talk-radio demographic that used to despise him. What enables him to do so is a key insight: that while George W. Bush may be unpopular as an individual, fear and hatred in this country have never gone out of style.

McCain enters the general election in the form of a man who has jettisoned the last traces of his dangerous unorthodoxy just in time to be plausible in the role of the torchbearing leader of the anti-Obama mob, waving the flag and chanting, "One of us! One of us!" all the way through to November. He now favors making the Bush tax cuts permanent, he's unblinkingly pro-life every time he remembers to mention abortion, and he's given up bitching about torture. With his newfound opposition to his own attempts to reform immigration policy and campaign finance, McCain is perhaps the first candidate in history to stump against two bills bearing his own name.

"I seek the office with the humility of a man who cannot forget that my country saved me," McCain likes to say. And while he doesn't believe he was anointed by God to lead the great nation of America, he insists, "I am her servant, first, last and always."

That's it -- that's the entire argument. McCain is a canny enough old goat to know that the public's insatiable appetite for traitorous enemies will do the rest. He'll wave as many flags and stand in front of as many fucking fighter jets as you like, while the other guy lectures us about why he doesn't always need to wear a flag pin in his lapel and calls a bomb-throwing Sixties terrorist "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" instead of calling for his immediate beheading.

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By * rdorgan on Jun 17, 2008 9:01 AM EDT
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- KO for MTP

By Huron John on Jun 17, 2008 9:04 AM EDT

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/309

The next host will have to establish his or her own legacy to the program. Given our times, and the overall timidity of the Washington press core toward Bush and Republicans, the program deserves someone who can stand up to government, regardless of who is in charge. And that person is Keith Olbermann.

Olbermann has stood up to Republicans and Democrats. He is one of the best writers in any form on television today, and could add a special comment at the end of "Meet the Press." And he is the only one currently at NBC News who has the reputation of asking the tough questions of all sides, a true tradition of "Meet the Press."

The big question is whether Olbermann would still do "Countdown." Olbermann should still be able to do both shows, but perhaps be given more time off for "Countdown," giving Rachel Maddow more of the screen time she deserves on MSNBC.

One name from the outside but who does have experience at NBC News is Gwen Ifill. Ifill, host of "Washington Week in Review" and contributor to the "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," has worked at NBC News, and would be a great pick if someone from outside the network is chosen. If Olbermann isn't picked, she would be my second choice.

In the long run, Keith Olbermann is just the right candidate who appreciates the past of television reporting and who understands the future of television reporting needs to be straightforward, blunt honesty. On some level, Russert would completely understand that transition.

 

 

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By Annilow on Jun 17, 2008 11:10 AM EDT

Hitching a ride -- new thread -- Gerry L will keep us busy for awhile with his news roundup.

 

 

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- Nice to see my humor post got front-paged

By Cheryl on Jun 17, 2008 12:56 PM EDT

Too bad I was in bed at the time, lol.

Hope you all enjoyed it!

 

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- gay marriage

By Bob on Jun 28, 2008 12:33 PM EDT

I am opposed to gay marriage, and here is why.

It's simple really. Anyone who truly reads the word of God (the Bible) will see that God clearly opposes homosexuality in any form.

Does that mean that all homosexuals are sinners? Yes, they are. Take heart though, all of us are sinners. Romans says that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".

Does that mean that I should hate all homosexuals and cast them out of every corner of the world. Certainly not!!!

God hasn't cast me out of His world, in fact He has welcomed me with open arms.

So how do I reconcile the two? Well, I use every piece of energy, intellect, and skill that I have to oppose everything God opposes and then when I fall into traps of sin myself I ask for forgiveness from Him and anyone else who may have been hurt by my poor choices.

I oppose:

Outbursts of rage; yet I too frequently have them.

Pornography and lust; yet far too often I have found myself lusting.

Lying and "half-truths"; yet in too many pinches I have found myself creating a less painful truth to stand behind.

 

You see, just because I oppose something doesn't mean that I don't have my own failings. It simply means that I desire to follow my Lord and Saviour everywhere and with everything.

 

Yes, I oppose homosexuality because it is detestable in His eyes. That doesn't mean that I think homosexuals are less human or deserving than me though. No, I know what the Bible says:

"hate the sin, love the sinner"

 

I will continue to stand behind the Bible's teachings, even when I'm breaking the rules as well.

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