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Pasadena DFA holds a successful Bake Sale / Yard Sale

Written by: Maddie Gavel-Briggs on May 8, 2008 1:27 AM EDT

Pasadena DFA held it's first yard sale (yes we call 'em yard sales in the land of year-round sun) this past Saturday - http://democracyforamerica.com/events/29232 .  It went fantastically well!

We brought in just over $300 for the bake sale.  Pasadena DFA will donate all of it to a local foodbank.  We were so surprised at how much we were able to raise!  We got the help of two local vendors.  Shouts out go to:

Euro Pane - they donated 30 lbs of various baked goods!  I have to encourage all of our local readers of this blog post to click the link and make a point to visit them soon.  They are a business deserving of our support!  Delicious bakery!

The Coffee Gallery - they donated gallons of their best coffee.  It stayed hot from 7 a.m. until we shut down the sale at 3:30!  Again, I encourage local readers to click the link and pay them a visit. 

Patrick and I firmly believe in supporting local businesses, especially ones that contribute to the community the way these two businesses have.  Patrick calls it a "covenantal relationship"; that's his seminary school experience coming out!

A lot of preparation went into making the baked goods presentable.  There was much baking, wrapping, and labeling taking place the night before!

We have to thank some super bakers in our midst too.  A pineapple upside down cake.  A from-scratch chocolate cake.  Fresh baked chocolate chip cookies.  Peanut butter chews.  Oatmeal currant cookies.  They went well with the croissants, lemon bars, various types of muffins, and twists!  Servin' up a breakfast of justice and community!

The yard sale was a hit too (we kept separate tills by the way).  We brought in just about $500 in donations.  Horray, Pasadena DFA can afford to buy itself an EZ-Up canopy and a few rolls of stamps for our next letter writing action!  We can stop borrowing canopies and have a more enjoyable experience tabling those farmers markets this summer!

It was an amazing day that took a community and some great leaders to make happen!  None of this could have happened without the help of fellow DFA'ers, local business, and our neighbors.  It was a shot in the arm for us all to see community work and have fun amidst all the hard work!

Shouts out to some amazing people!!

**Ron McGill & Jocelyn & their dog Oatmeal
**Michele McClure & Patrick Burns & Dottie (Mr. Burns' mom) & their friend Lauren
**Charlotte & Steven Gibson
**Bev Huntsberger
**Laura Graham
**Ann Bailey
**Judy Hochenauer
**Patrick Briggs & Maddie Gavel & sister Sue Gavel
**Mickey Weinberg & Beverly Jones

Politics, economics, and justice combined in one crazy-fun day of raised spirits and dollars.  Keep up the good work everybody at Pasadena DFA!  This is what we are about!

More photos can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39995061@N00/sets/72157604893135201/

Come join us at our next chapter meeting or email Patrick Briggs - Chapter Coordinator - pbriggs@greeneggsandham.org.  Get involved.  We have the power to have fun and make a difference!

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- The Doc is first!

By rich^kolker on May 8, 2008 9:04 AM EDT

Yes he is.

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- On Memories

By rich^kolker on May 8, 2008 9:06 AM EDT

Looking back at the old days of Dean for America on the blog is fun - which is why I'm asking the gang at HQ to put back the links to the old libraries which used to be on every page.

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By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 9:47 AM EDT

At the bottom of the page of "Home" "Blog" there seems to be an index of numbered blog posts, but it doesn't seem to be entirely functional yet.  or, at least,I can't figure out how to access the earliest ones.

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- a sign still relevant today

By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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- What a great post, DFA Pasadena!

By mary vb on May 8, 2008 9:47 AM EDT

You guys are the best - great bake sale!

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Time Mag does a post-mortem on Clinton.  Truly a candidate for the 90's and a loyal group of hacks to run her campaign.  What a great POTUS she would have been - NOT.

 

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

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- Since you brought up Iowa...

By rich^kolker on May 8, 2008 10:01 AM EDT

http://gallery.cloudview.com/gallery/59450_pxg2e/4/2092985_FdncP/Large

I'd put one of the pictures here, but they have them protected.

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- Robert Oler

By Phil Specht on May 8, 2008 11:46 AM EDT

is front and center on your photo, rich. How is he doing? He is a part of blog history too.

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- Hooray for Pasadena DFA

By linda b on May 8, 2008 9:46 AM EDT

I am working on my speech for our convention on Saturday.

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- I'm Sure It Will Be A Great Speech

By sandy m on May 8, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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- Always interesting to see what they're saying elsewhere

By rich^kolker on May 8, 2008 10:06 AM EDT

From the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7389151.stm

I think it is safe to assume that Rupert Murdoch has been struck off the Clinton family Christmas card list.

One of his newspapers, the tabloid New York Post, distilled what an army of bet-hedging pundits, silver-tongued strategists, retired White House bigwigs and hand-wringing party bosses tried to hint at last night after Hillary's lead in Indiana had been parboiled down to a miserly 2%:

"TOAST!", the newspaper thundered at New Yorkers as they bit into their bagels.

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There are two kinds of miracles that could save Hillary's campaign.

The first is that the online ferrets and cyber-sleuths discover something really unseemly about Barack Obama that torpedoes his candidacy.

But it is hard to imagine what could be more damaging than the toxic rhetoric of his former pastor, whose collateral damage was far less serious than most of us had imagined.

The second miracle is that Barack Obama is spirited away to a distant star by little green men. This, on balance, is the more likely scenario.

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- Pasadena - Congratulations!

By sandy m on May 8, 2008 10:16 AM EDT

Great photos - great posters.

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- Obama Picked Up A SD From FL Yesterday

By sandy m on May 8, 2008 10:20 AM EDT

Fla. Dems consider options, knowing they can't help Clinton

''It's time to move on,'' said Dan Gelber of Miami Beach, the Democratic leader in the Florida House whose endorsement of Obama on Wednesday was the first by a Florida superdelegates to take sides since late February. ``I want to do anything I can to get people moving toward Obama and worrying about November. We've got to end this current race as quickly as possible.''

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/36340.html

It is beginning to sink in, I believe Obama will be our nominee.

Back to work after eight days off.

bbl

The blog seems to be working very well this morning.

 

 

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By Huron John on May 8, 2008 10:29 AM EDT

Just hitch-hiking on your post to retrieve toolbar!

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- Rich,,

By linda b on May 8, 2008 10:27 AM EDT

I guess you saw that Delgate Jenniffer McLelllan flipped to Obama from Hillary yesterday . Big news in Va.

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- Poblano gets credit for his polling predictions

By mary vb on May 8, 2008 10:36 AM EDT

Poblano, the best pollster this season, gets his due finally.  He is incredible.  A star now on Daily Kos.

 

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20080507_8254.php

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- more on Poblano

By mary vb on May 8, 2008 10:39 AM EDT

I've been linking his polling predictions here most of the primary season from Daily Kos. He's been incredible. Funny thing is - he did it for free and for all of us. Makes Penn look like the overpaid a**hole he really is. Glad to see this!

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- Help keep West Virginia competitive

By Joan In Florida on May 8, 2008 10:43 AM EDT

Barack is looking for volunteers to come to West Virginia to canvass. They have offices opened there and all the tools you need -- no prior political experience needed.

I toured West Virgina several years ago and found it to be one fantastically beautiful state, the mountains are gorgeous, the people friendly. The hard part is viewing the poverty we saw there which I hope has improved.

Sign up at http://my.barackobama.com/CometoWV (sorry, no tool bar yet) and one of their staff will contact you with details.

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- Looks like they had fun down there with the Little Old Lady from Pasadena

By Fred from Oregon on May 8, 2008 10:47 AM EDT

While I'm stuck up here in mold country.

Anyway on my way to my dentist (55 miles away) I listened to Rush Limbaugh on the car radio. That guy is so pro-Hillary. He's doing his "operation chaos" getting republican voters to vote for her in the primary. It sounded like without the Rush factor, Hillary would have lost in Indiana. One Indiana listener called in and said he took "two showers" to wash off the guilt after voting for her. Rush turned it into a commercial for one of his sponsors, a tankless hot water heater company.

Rush was rabid, focusing much of the show on the Florida and Michican problem, repeating a comparison of Howard Dean to George Wallace in denying people to have their vote count. Characterizing the problem as a "smoke-filled room" scenario of Democrats fixing the election for Obama, repeatedly calling it the "worst violation of democracy since before the 1965 voting rights act"

It is really silly to see the irony of Rush sounding so "concerned" for past African-American civil rights abuses, while he talks about Obama like he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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- Barack is coming to Oregon this weekend

By Fred from Oregon on May 8, 2008 10:49 AM EDT

Seeing scores of Obama '08 signs here in Ashland - saw one Hillary sign.

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- today is V-E day

By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 11:09 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080508/ap_on_to_in_hi/history_1

Today in History - May 8

By The Associated Press
2 hours, 14 minutes ago

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On May 8, 1945, President Truman announced in a radio address that World War II had ended in Europe.

On this date:

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In 1794, Antoine Lavoisier, the father of modern chemistry, was executed on the guillotine during France's Reign of Terror.

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In 1970, antiwar protests took place across the United States and around the world; in New York, construction workers broke up a demonstration on Wall Street.

In 1973, militant American Indians who'd held the South Dakota hamlet of Wounded Knee for 10 weeks surrendered.

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 11:21 AM EDT

on a day like V-E day, more war looms:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/204170,iraq-braces-for-offensive-on-militias-blasts-in-baghdad--summary.html

Iraq braces for offensive on militias, blasts in Baghdad - Summary

Posted : Thu, 08 May 2008 14:51:09 GMT

Author : DPA

Baghdad - The Iraqi government is bracing for a big offensive against loyalists of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, according to a politician from his bloc, while three people were killed and 20 injured in attacks, including a former commander of al-Qaeda in Iraq group. Fighting between government and US troops and al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia raging since the end of March has left around 1,000 people dead and over 2,500 wounded, many of them civilians.

 

"Iraqi and US military preparations are underway to move into Sadr City," Asma al-Musawi, a member of al-Sadr Bloc, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.

 

The government has told people in two of the 79 neighbourhoods that make up Sadr City to leave their homes in preparation for a push into the area, al-Musawi said.

 

"The area is on the brink of a big humanitarian disaster," she warned.

 

The battle has intensified recently with street to street and house to house fighting. Government and US forces have so far failed to subdue the militiamen despite almost daily airstrikes.

 

US troops have set up concrete barriers in the southern parts of the district.

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 11:30 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080508/481/2dd7238c72f24c74a6f1617c6fe1d4b8/

An Iraqi woman holds onto a truck while waiting for food supplies ...

An Iraqi woman holds onto a truck while waiting for food supplies to be distributed by Iraqi's soldiers among the residents of the Shiite enclave of Sadr city in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, May 8, 2008.<cite id="captionCite">(AP Photo/Petr David Josek)</cite>

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 11:35 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080501/photos_pl_afp/456cb036b0b4313c7c8c35c0a3d19e2e/

An Iraqi and his sister-in-law grieve outisde Baghdad's ...

An Iraqi and his sister-in-law grieve outisde Baghdad's Sadr City hospital. Five years after President George W. Bush stood on a warship deck in front of a banner reading "Mission Accomplished," the Iraq war has again thrust to the forefront of the US presidential campaign.<cite id="captionCite">(AFP/Ahmad al-Rubaye)</cite>

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 11:41 AM EDT

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080429/481/86f0ca2687c34e5ba721c2ba4c8d4eca/

Two-year-old Ali Hussein is pulled from the rubble of his family's ...

Two-year-old Ali Hussein is pulled from the rubble of his family's home in the Shiite stronghold of Sadr City in Baghdad, Iraq on Tuesday, April 29, 2008. The child, who later died at the hospital, was in one of four homes destroyed by U.S. missiles. More than two dozen people were killed when Shiite militants ambushed a U.S. patrol in Baghdad's embattled Sadr City district, bringing the death toll in area on Tuesday to more than 30, a U.S. military spokesman and Iraqi officials said.<cite id="captionCite">(AP Photo/Karim Kadim)</cite>

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By Joan In Florida on May 8, 2008 11:32 AM EDT

 

Email from Robert Greenwald (BraveNewFilms.com)

 

You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam. According to David Corn of Mother Jones, Parsley has called on Christians to wage war against Islam, which he considers to be a "false religion." In the past, Parsley has also railed against the separation of church and state, homosexuals, and abortion rights, comparing Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide," and he hasn't said whether he shares Parsley's vicious anti-Islam views. That's because the mainstream media refuses to ask. And so, we've taken matters into our own hands, joining Mother Jones to present the truth about McCain's pastor:

Watch the video: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/3165314/38133?utm_source=rgemail

 

And the Republicans think they can actually win with McCain?!?!?

 

 

 

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- No, they don't

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 11:58 AM EDT

They plan to select a younger, healthier, gentler, more personable candidate whom white blue collar and evangelicals will be happy to vote for.

Huckabee is their only chance at the White House.  If my suspicions are proved wrong, so much the better.  In the mean time I intend to keep an eye on the man who gained 10% of the Republican primary vote without campaigning actively in Indiana.

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By Joan In Florida on May 8, 2008 11:37 AM EDT

 

I don't know why the MSM and us keep referring to Clinton's 2% "win" in Indiana. The figure was actuall 1.4, rounded off to the nearest whole number as is always done = 1%.

The same thing was done in PA where her 9.4% win was rounded off to 10% instead of the mathematically correct 9%, something Keith Olbermann pointed after PA.

I guess we are all subject to brainwashing in some form or another:))

 

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- No mention of the Republicans Rush Limbaugh is sending to the polls there to vote for Hillary

By Fred from Oregon on May 8, 2008 12:18 PM EDT

It was probably a virtual tie with that artificial corruption of the process.  I hope the SD realize this.

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- Breaking up is hard to do

By Fred from Oregon on May 8, 2008 2:07 PM EDT

Ending the vacation on de Nile, takes an attitude adjustment

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- Victims of Iraq and Myanmar

By Joan In Florida on May 8, 2008 11:45 AM EDT

 

The Iraqi victims of war deserve better than what they are getting. They didn't ask us to invade their country and destroy it and their lives.

Gotta feel for the Iraqis and for the millions of cyclone victims in Myanmar. It hasn't been a good week for the other side of the planet.

 

 

 

 

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- Those pictures...

By linda b on May 8, 2008 11:51 AM EDT

are so powerful. My goodness.

While people wonder why someone doesn't wear a flag pin made in china, we are slautering thousands.

Why is the air force in Iraq? They have no air force, a phony army.

Meanwhile the putz is smiling while we burn.

 

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 12:01 PM EDT

linda b -

Indeed.  I thought about whether it was appropriate to post those pictures (especially the bomber 2-year old) but decided it was -- that the certain U.S. media reporters are still covering what's going on there but the network filters here only give it passing/fleeting mention.

It deserves much more than a fleeting mention.

Example, crumbling bridges, etc. (sounds like the U.S. ?):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080508/lf_nm/iraq_water_dc_2

Iraq, U.S. move to avert Baghdad water shortage

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By Tim Cocks

Wed May 7, 8:57 PM ET

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Baghdad's crumbling roads, burst sewage pipes and chronic water shortages are casualties of war that get little attention amid the daily litany of gunfights, bombs and bloodletting in Iraq.

As summer approaches, the city is facing an acute shortage of drinking water

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 12:03 PM EDT

typo - appropriate to post those pictures (especially the bomber 2-year old) but decided it was -- that the certain U.S. media reporters are still covering what's going on there but the network filters here

s/b - appropriate to post those pictures (especially the bombed 2-year old) but decided it was -- that though certain U.S. media reporters are still covering what's going on there, the network filters here in the U.S.

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- where is the friggen construction money??

By linda b on May 8, 2008 12:13 PM EDT

what is that money used for? not for reconstruction at all. Look at the place.

what is wrong with the people of this country?

 

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- The money was used to

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:25 PM EDT

construct Air Force bases with all the modern conveniences, including golf facilities.  The Air Force prides itself on having golf courses on all its bases. 

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- Fact is

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:17 PM EDT

Sewer lines and water lines are not designed to withstand the impact of bombs.  Not even hellfire missiles.  Since the U. S. is bombing Iraq on a daily basis, the utilities cannot be expected to work.  On the other hand, in the green zone, which only witnesses sporadic hits with grenades, the showers are electrocuting the troops because the water pipes and pumps aren't properly grounded.  The only thing to conclude is that this whole business is being run by people who don't have a clue what they are doing.

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- Because the Air Force is supposed to

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:10 PM EDT

"stabilize" the region with its fighters, B1 bombers and AWACS planes and set up a segment of the missile defense shield to keep a "re-emerging Russia" and a "rising China" in check.  The Bushes have always had a thing about China, while Condi still has a bug up her a** about her "area of expertise"  Russia.

Even though the Pentagon refers to it as the "Central Command," what's really wanted is an Eastern Command to control Asia.  The U.S. conquest of Iraq was supposed to be an object lesson to the hemisphere.  It is.  But the lesson is different than anticipated.  Men in sandals and robes have managed to stymie the new Centurions.  Which is, of course, right.

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- Mark 77

By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 12:16 PM EDT

Monica -

I wonder if Sadr City will be another Fallujah -- the use of Mark 77 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb ) ?:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-forces-used-chemical-weapons-during-assault-on-city-of-fallujah-514433.html

US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

By Peter Popham
Tuesday, 8 November 2005

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Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

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a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

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The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

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- Yes,

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:23 PM EDT

It's really no wonder that our vets are mentally messed up.  They were ordered to do despicable things and only the socio-paths can come away from that unscathed.

It's now been determined that while personnel who require "waivers" from previous criminal convictions  to get into the military, "wash out" at a higher rate during basic training, those that make it through earn more citations for "valor" and get promoted more rapidly--evidence from my point of view that "good" gang members make "good" soldiers--they engage in risky and violent behavior with little thought for the consequence.

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 12:33 PM EDT

In the fall of 2003 and through 04, I kept my Air Force bumper sticker on the rear of my car, affixed next to my Dean for America bumper sticker, and later next to my Veteran for Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker.  The AF sticker, in my mind, served two purposes -- one to show I was a veteran of the USAF and the other, more important reason, to show that Dean, etc. would make good presidents that would protect America from foreign aggressions, even if had not served in the military (ie. Kerry did, but Dean and Edwards didn't).

When Bush won in Nov 04, approx 6 months later I removed the stickers.

Well, after what happened in Fallujah in late 2005, I promised myself that if I ever got involved in another prez campaign, I would not sport a USAF bumper sticker, next to the candidate I was supporting.

I've kept that promise, just sporting an Obama '08 sticker.  If that's not good enough for some other Americans, especially some vets, well too bad.

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- predictions

By Phil Specht on May 8, 2008 11:52 AM EDT

my guess for last Tue. beat the aveage, so I will stick my neck out and call West Virginia too close to call

Hillary can stay in just to pay down some of her debts, because if she calls it quits she is out ten million.

I'd risk embarassment for another month if someone would throw a few million my way.

 

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- Not important, in the thick of things...

By linda b on May 8, 2008 11:53 AM EDT

but I do have my flyer done for the convention on saturday.

also my speech, which will be short but long on info.

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- Reports of progress

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:12 PM EDT

are always appreciated.  Break a leg, linda b.

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- Kevin Phillips on bogus inflation numbers

By Huron John on May 8, 2008 12:25 PM EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-phillips/washingtons-great-no-infl_b_100719.html

Billionaire California bond manager Bill Gross calls it "a haute con job." Bloomberg News columnist John Wasik describes it as "a testament to the art of economic spin." More and more shoppers and consumer simply disbelieve it.

The subject of this scorn is the federal government's vaunted Consumer Price Index or CPI. Americans are now beginning to understand that this indicator has its own share of gimmicks not unlike a sub-prime mortgage or the six pages of fine print that accompanies your credit card agreement.

Some of these CPI ingredients -- product substitution weightings, "hedonics" (price reductions for added product quality or satisfaction), and use of owner's equivalent rent (instead of home ownership costs) -- have a comic aspect suitable to mockery by Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart. But in a larger sense, they're not remotely funny. That's because the federal minimalization and misrepresentation of inflation, pursued statistically over the last 25 years, has been the main buttress of Washington's over-favorable and self-serving portraiture of the U.S. economy.

Distortions aplenty have followed. Some of the most pernicious include the shortchanging of federal pension and Social Security obligations and cost of living increases, a parallel shortchanging of cost-of-living increases in wage contracts tied to the federal CPI, the suppression of equitable interest payments on bank accounts and certificates of deposit, and the camouflaging of weak U.S. economic growth through inadequate adjustments for inflation.

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- Sorry, have to clean house.

By Monica Smith on May 8, 2008 12:27 PM EDT

 

The spouse is hosting a picnic for the plaza redevelopment group and I'''ve got to get the winter grit out of the house.  There's a reason for spring cleaning.  LOL

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- Hillary's Campaign debts

By Huron John on May 8, 2008 12:34 PM EDT

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

According to the Huffington Post's Tom Edsall and a number of others, one of the possibilities in the offing if Hillary Clinton quickly ends her presidential campaign is that the Obama campaign will not only retire the $10 to $15 million in unpaid campaign related expenses the Clinton campaign owes but will also help the Clinton campaign pay back to the Clintons personally the $11.4 million they have loaned to the campaign during the last three months.

Helping to retire an opponent's campaign is not unprecedented and can sometimes be justified in the interests of party unity. (Remember, this isn't just money in the abstract. A lot of it is payment to people who provided services or goods of various sorts to the campaign and need to be paid or paid back.) But using more than $10 million raised in large part by small individual donations to pay back the Clintons who appear to be worth many tens of millions of dollars simply seems wrong.

This isn't meant to sound ungracious. I don't begrudge the Clintons their very substantial wealth. And even for really, really rich people, $11 million isn't nothing. But that is simply too much money raised from small givers to give to people who loaned it with full knowledge of the odds and have more than enough money to really know what to do with.

Frankly, I'm surprised that it's even being suggested. It would be a mistake for the Clintons to ask (and just because people are chattering about it -- don't assume they have or will), a mistake for Obama to offer and one that would risk a severe backlash.

That's not what people gave their money for.

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By * rdorgan on May 8, 2008 12:41 PM EDT

fyi - new thread

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