The Dean's are tops!!!

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22556...
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66.

Annilow
Mon, 10/15/07
1:06 pm

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Annilow -

Thanks for posting that personal account about the need for gated communities.  I give you credit for living in such an environment in San Jose (don't know about how it is in Florida for you now).

Where I live, we don't even have fences separating our properties and both my cars are ungaraged, uncarported.

How can you stand though the idea of feeling cooped up behind a gate ?  For myself, in a similar situation, I would feel I was locked up behind bars.  (maybe it's just that I lived my whole life in New England)

Iowa Governor Chet Culver approved two bills on May 23rd that establish a new state fund for clean energy research and development. The state will provide the new Iowa Power Fund with $25 million per year for the next four years. The fund will support research, development, commercialization, and deployment of biofuels, renewable energy technologies, and energy efficiency technologies, while also seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions. The fund will also educate the public about these technologies and will aim to increase the demand for them. The $100 million fund will be run by an 18-member board, with oversight from a seven-member committee of legislative and university leaders.

Spark a new friendship in the dark!

Lights out San Francisco
October 20, 2007

...did you know that If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an ENERGY STAR qualified bulb, we would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes for a year, more than $600 million in annual energy costs, and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of more than 800,000 cars.

http://www.lightsoutsf.org/

Ask your city Mayor to hold a candel light vigil for energy. 1 hour. I'm going to, again, right now.

The effort will complement a bill signed in April, establishing the Iowa Climate Change Advisory Council to consider and determine the best strategies for reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the state. It also establishes a greenhouse gas inventory and registry within the state. See the governor's press release and the text of the bill, SF 485.

What is unsustainable is growth in the desert (water supply); and coastal areas (rising sea levels), but let's just pick one fight at a time.

3. Phil Specht
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three cheers for Iowa - the next progressive mecca.

...did you know that If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an ENERGY STAR qualified bulb, we would save enough energy to light more than 3 million homes for a year, more than $600 million in annual energy costs, and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of more than 800,000 cars.

We replaced all our bulbs with CFBs. We keep our thermostat at 85 in the summer, 65 in the winter, and off in the fall and spring. We drive a Honda and a Subaru about 15K per year combined. We're looking into a solar panel and water heater.

But given the magnitude of the problem, it doesn't seem like enough. 

We need truly clean energy. Not just green, but clean. 

5. Linda*in*SFNM

...did you know that If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an ENERGY STAR qualified bulb,
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Well you've convinced me, but will have to convert gradually, and I hope they recycle these things where I live. I will only put them where there is no chance of accident breakage because the gas is toxic and high voltage from the ballast can be deadly.

I've been using 15 watt indescents in several of my bulbs. You'd be surprized at how bright they are up close, especially good in desk lamps, better than flourescents for not bothering others sleeping at night when reading.

Incandescent light drops off intensity much better with distance than flourescents do.

My landlord pays the electric.

wind turbines that split water and fuel cells that use the hydrogen would be totally clean

let's do it

Gore/Boxer

anyone have a transcript link to Obama's 150 billion dollar initiative he announced in New Hampshire last week?

all of the Democratic Candidates have variations of a new economy fueled by green technology, it was part of Hillary's major economic speech I heard in Dubuque a month ago

as former points out it is who owns it that matters a great deal

Monica

You were doing some really insightful posting today. new brand of coffee? lol

bbl

wind turbines that split water and fuel cells that use the hydrogen would be totally clean

let's do it

A very poignant article about Martin Lee Anderson and his death at a boot camp.  

"Folks on both sides wore crosses around their neck...God was on their side. A view of Panhandle justice"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1581

And more outrage.  The guards say they were not beating him, but they were just using "pain compliance techniques"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1582

 "Garrett, 30, of Lynn Haven, said Anderson was talking throughout most of the interaction — saying that he was tired and wouldn’t finish a required physical assessment run. Garrett said Anderson got angry a few times and would tense up. That’s when the guards would throw him to the ground or use pain-compliance techniques, such as pressure points."

11. Phil Specht

wind turbines that split water and fuel cells that use the hydrogen would be totally clean

let's do it
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Love it, but the brutal truth is that fuel cells utilizing liquid fuel made by hydrogen gas is still very much theoretical. Anyone here can put their money where their mouth is. There are many small public companies "working on it" and you can support them by buying their stock, if you dare.

7. I agree w/ Phil - it doesn't matter what we do about electricity b/c we are going to run out of water and the question will be academic. Having said that -- I've said before it's so simple -- tax incentives for personal windmills and solar panels. This creates good jobs as well as generates electricity. Then all electric cars that we charge ourselves in our garages. We all share electricity and leftover goes back to the grid.

4.

* rdorgan
Mon, 10/15/07
2:30 pm

I live in a tiny little town in N FL made up of all church going Xtians (republicans) and me. I never lock my door except at night when I go to sleep. Once I left my purse at the dollar store and when I went back it was there, money and all, someone had turned it into the clerk. I DO have a 6 ft privacy fence mainly for the dog but it raised some eyebrows when built - most have fences, but mainly for dogs. My little neighborhood is not ritzy enuf for being 'gated' but my girlfriend from San Jose and her hubby live in a beaut up the road a town or two. San Jose is a beautiful town but suffering from some of the same things that plague Los Angeles. I mainly moved to live cheaper. The Bay Area is pretty perfect except for having too many people.

Also, how we solve the transportation thing is ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- if Europe and NYC can do it so can we -- we just have to deport all the rich special interest groups like Big Oil, Big Cars, etc.

fuel cells made from fossil fuels are here already, and are probably more efficient and pollute less, but you are going up against the huge automotive industry parts and repair industry. You've got to have something in it for them to get political traction.

Pay no attention to Grumpy.....

16. Annilow

7. I agree w/ Phil - it doesn't matter what we do about electricity b/c we are going to run out of water and the question will be academic

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I don't know about that. We are running out of potable water, but there is lots of wells that are polluted with pesticides and chemicals. Maybe we can use those.

11.

Phil Specht
Mon, 10/15/07
2:51 pm

...
all of the Democratic Candidates have variations of a new economy fueled by green technology, it was part of Hillary's major economic speech I heard in Dubuque a month ago

...it is who owns it that matters a great deal.
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I'm afraid..., (lol, no pun intended Mike) it is matters "decesively"..., and it is where the major fight starts.

Don't listen to party-pooper, anything possible if you ignore science and live in a fantasy world.

16. Annilow

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Tremendous amounts of water are used to produce and refine petroleum and all the countless toxic substances we make with the by-products for home and bath.

20. I hope so Fred - it would be great if we could figure a way to depollute water. Deep down inside I think Mother Earth will figure a way to get rid of us -- I think HIV/Aids and other scourges are Mother Earth's way to send us the way of the dinosaurs.

LindaSFNM - has your anasthetic worn off yet? Hope u r ok.

22. Not to mention toilets. Once I used a public toilet in the high desert out west. It used no water and did not smell -- of course chemicals they used may have been worse I don't know. Every time I flush I think of all the potable water going to waste, no pun intended.

Pointing out what can't be done at this time plays into the hands of those who want nothing done.

The technology exists, or can, that will solve the problems. 

Why people who don't stand to make money from the status quo carry water for it is beyond understanding. 

And did anyone see the Dubai report on 60 minutes last night? Talk about a waste of energy -- putting a ski slope under a roof where it is 120 degrees outside? And LV -- gosh I love LV but some of the stuff -- like at Bellagio where they have that indoor garden in the desert heat. Wasteful wasteful wasteful.

25. What do you want us to do Sitka?

Annilow, funny you should ask. :( Thank you though :)

Hubby called to check in. He asked how the swelling was. I said I don't care. I'm not looking at myself, it's the PAIN (no pun to paine:D) I'm concerned about. He then said "is the numbing wearing off? ..."UH YEAHHH".

Stupid me, I was comparing this to when I had 4 teeth pulled at once. I said "heck if I managed that without pain medication, this will be a breeze". But ding bat here forgot the difference of the PROCEDURE. OY. No, I won't give details, but just to say the stitches are about 2 teeth away from the area he had to work...coming in from the side.

Bet hubby comes homes and calls me bride of Frankenstein or something.

16.Annilow

Also, how we solve the transportation thing is ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- if Europe and NYC can do it so can we -- we just have to deport all the rich special interest groups like Big Oil, Big Cars, etc.

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If can start at the grass roots by individuals, but it will take a long time.

To do it massively and dislodge the powers that be is faster but almost impossible and may be political suicide.

What is more important politically right now is cleaning up the toxic chemical environment and severely cutting the cancer and Chronic degenerative disease rate.

Something we should have started 40 years ago after Silent Spring. The organic food movement is a good example of a grass roots movement, and look how long that took.

But there are so many toxins ubiquitous in our air, on our body products, in our building materials and furnishings. Food is only one leg of the table.

Just go to EWG.org for more info on how insidiously toxic our human ecology and environment is. Mostly this is a by product of petroleum refinement, but if we reduce the demand or legality of them, it would weaken the petroleum industrial hegemony too.

It seems the only thing we still manufacture in this country is toxin.

16.

Annilow
Mon, 10/15/07
3:11 pm

...
Also, how we solve the transportation thing is ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- if Europe and NYC can do it so can we -- we just have to deport all the rich special interest groups like Big Oil, Big Cars, etc.
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!!!
Can you imagine, not worrying of been late for passing by trolley because next is coming in a matter of minute or two...., then you are seating in a green, clean trolley's comfortable chair and WHILE riding you are reading book or (even better yet..., lol) socializing with pretty woman next seat..., HA-HA-HA....., THE LIFE!

24. LOL...( I snorted)...(no I'm not on pain medication)



Speaking of chemicals though....and technology...if we can use ultra violet lights to kill bacteria...like in hot tubs....why can't we for our toilets......and cool looking I might add.

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Fred, if you are seriously going to switch, that's WONDERFUL.


Now, you have an IKEA near you, right?

Did you.....and everyone else know that IKEA is ...well, I heard, they are doing CFL drop off centers at IKEA, to make disposing of the CFL's safe and easy.

I'm on hold to make sure they ALL are doing it. bbl with that info.

The American Cancer Society is a front for the chemical-pharma-cosmetics industrial complex, because their sole purpose seems to be to convince us that smoking is the only thing that causes cancer.

You know why they call the Republicans the GOP party, right?

G=Gas
O=Oil
P=Petroleum


:)

34.

FRED from OR

...or get regular tests.

,,,,tests find it, they don't stop it from coming. Again, treat the symptoms instead of ridding the problem.


Hubby just heard a fellow workers daughter was diagnosed in her bone...in Texas.

29.

FRED from OR
Mon, 10/15/07
3:35 pm

16.Annilow

...ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION...

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If can start at the grass roots by individuals, but it will take a long time.

To do it massively and dislodge the powers that be is faster but almost impossible and may be political suicide....
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Throwing away billions of $$$ per week (or per months?) is not "political suicide"...?

Priorities could be decide by owner (BY PEOPLE)!

Great news......Ikea Stores....all, do have bins for CFL so they can dispose of them for you. What a GREAT service...if you have Ikea....I don't. :(......But Pittsburgh does!

31.

Linda*in*SFNM

Fred, if you are seriously going to switch, that's WONDERFUL.
Now, you have an IKEA near you, right?
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Well I have always used them in a limited sense. I have an ultra-violet compact flourescent in my bathroom that i keep on all the time 24/7 to keep mold growth down.

I think people should be aware of the dangers and precautions of CFs as well as the energy benefits. I really can't wait until LEDs come along. They don't wear out, so that's the problem with the throw-away MO of big corporations. It will have to grow from grass roots industry and the temptation for them to sell-out to big industry is tremendous. If they go public they'll be gobbled up and dismantled.

What does IKEA stand for? Oregon is herrendous for recycling, and lots of people still remember when we were the pioneer of bottle recycling. Those days are gone forever. The timber industry, once the most powerful in the State, succeeded in making environmentalism the enemy of jobs and industry.

24. It needn't go to waste. It's perfectly possible to have drinking water come out of the waste-water plant. We did it in Gainesville 25 years ago. Strangely enough, the process (it relies on bacteria and filters) was patented in South Africa by some Dutchmen.
It was a requirement because the water was going to be recharged into the drinking water aquifer because, of course, the citizens couldn't imagine drinking it out of the plant.
What was really interesting was that there were some "impurities" as there are in all waters that meet drinking-water standards, but when they tested the underground plume as the water percolated through the limestone, they discovered that as it moved further from the injection point it was "polished." That is, there were organisms way down deep (probably over a thousand feet) that were consuming whatever was left. I think it was later that organic life was discovered deep in the ocean, living without light, near the lava flows from under-water volcanos. I used to be though that living things need light.
The environmental engineers working for the city were very excited by their discovery and presented the findings in academic papers.

36.

former

Throwing away billions of $$$ per week (or per months?) is not "political suicide"...?

Priorities could be decide by owner (BY PEOPLE)!
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Don't get on my case. Just calling em like I seez em. If you can change public perception, great, but it is easier said than done. Big money always can run more TV ads than you and me.

OMG. This just came through on a comment. She made this video herself, Goregal, it brought me to tears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmGYYqJ6N...

mmmmm, yes Weyhauser.


What does IKEA stand for? Ingvar Kamprad Elmtaryd Agunnaryd (Swedish home furnishings retailer)

39. Cool, huh? So, what happened?

...I'll have to check back...I need to lay down for a bit.


bbl

I think Pelosi MUST be trying to end the war by screwing up our relations with Turkey. She's not stupid or crazy, that has to be the explanation. Maybe she's crazy like a fox.

34.Linda*in*SFNM

Hubby just heard a fellow workers daughter was diagnosed in her bone...in Texas.

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We are the most toxic-chemically-polluted developed country in the world.

the problem is that most of it is odorless and invisible. And much of what is detectable we are addicted to, like kids sniffing glue or paint. Our body chemistry has adjusted to crave it. How many people love that "new car smell" or that "new house smell" it is probably carcinogens and neurotoxins and teratogenic (causes birth defects) vapors and gases that we crave.

39. Yeah that would be great Monica -- I'm sure we have technology if we put it to work. Interesting post.

Compact Flourescents give off radio frequency radiation. There is no contraversy about whether the body can detect this radiation. The contraversy is whether this is harmful or not to the body. There are a number of individuals that are electrical sensitive to radiation.

Some people have hypersensitivity to mercury because they cannot excrete it easily. One woman broke a CF bulb and paid $2000 to have the mercury removed from her home.

LEDs do not give off radiation. They do not contain mercury.

A few energy saving ideas:

Nineteen years ago I designed the house we had built and still live in. There are four skylights, two of them 2 x 4, two 2 x 2 in the bathrooms which are on interior walls and so would require a light switched on every time they are used during the daytime. One is in the kitchen which also has no windows but has other sunlight from adjoining rooms.

I cannot estimate how much energy this design has saved us through the years. We just had a new roof installed and new skylights which are even better and clearer.

I also designed the glass verticle glass blocks beside the front door to let in light and also to view anyone in the front entrance though they cannot see in. Again, another savings -- no need for a light in the foyer though there is one there. Also good for security.

Another energy saver: dimmer switches for incandescent light bulbs. These are especially thrifty if you have a bank of light as in bathrooms or a chandelier.

It amazes me why I never hear these mentioned for energysavers. If you are contemplating  a new roof, you may be able to add a few skylights at that time, but most need to be built in during new construction.

Hope this helps someone.

Hey, everybody!

Just wanted to first of all thank Sheri for promoting my blog entry, and also say if you clicked Ted's link and it didn't go to his website, try again. While typing I confused him with his cowboy cousin Tex Nixon, LOL. Sorry!

-- volney

45.

LOL, exactly right anni.

Pelosi never does anything without a lot of good thought, though we may not always agree with it.

25. What do you want us to do Sitka?

If you mean you in particular, whatever you think best.

If you mean as a country and worldwide, stop powering our economy and our lives by burning and polluting -- even if it can be made "neutral." And the first step is to stop thinking of reasons why it can't be done or putting up straw debates over what technologies aren't feasable at this time.

Pelosi never does anything without a lot of good thought, though we may not always agree with it.

It's what she's thinking that's the problem. She's not thinking like the people who put the Dems and her into power last year. 

Thanks for a very good blog Volney. Eric appears to be an excellent candidate.

Perhaps Jim Dean learned how to do those whirlywind tours while helping Howard's campaign. Don't know how they do it but they seem to thrive on it.

50. Joan* In*Florida
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I am not sure if dimmer switches save electricity that much. I know they lower voltage but never tested them for current consumption.

Sitka

Do you ever agree with anyone or anything on this blog? The answer is pretty much NO. Maybe you would be much less stressed if you went somewhere friendlier to your thinking.

OMG
OMG

OK, my mistake, I didn't stop when I should have.


That Goregal, who made a couple videos for Mr. Gore...look at this one.

OMG, I'm speechless.

Time are Changing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARoNENPSI...

57.

Fred,

They do save electricity. Better half knows electricity and current consumption well. Bulbs last many times longer as well as they run cooler.

Do you ever agree with anyone or anything on this blog?

Actually, quite a lot. You're only seeing what you want to. 

As for my overall attitude toward DCDems, I'm confident my opinions are in line with the majority on this blog for --  what little that's worth. 

And you certainly are not the one to decide who should post here or what we say. 

54.Sitka

And the first step is to stop thinking of reasons why it can't be done or putting up straw debates over what technologies aren't feasable at this time
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The first step is to deal with science and technology. You are being contentious and apprehensive if you think it is all nothing but politics.

Everybody knows there's a political factor. You are not telling us anything we don't know, but it is not the only factor and far from the deciding factor in most cases. It's wilfull ignorance and obsession to believe the politics is the key to everything. Gore would be running if it were.

If you don't know enough about the science, go educate your self and then tell us where the political bottlenecks are.

57.

Linda

Wow, super video clips for Gore. Wonder how much it would cost to get that on TV. Even if he doesn't run, the video says so much.

The problems described on there may just scare Al away. Next prez going to have a  mountain problems to beginning fixing.

You just keep telling us how it can't be done while the oceans rise.

60. Sitka

I didn't tell you what to say. Paranoia?

And you certainly do NOT agree with the majority on this blog. In fact, you simply don't agree -- period.

bbl

Just one more remark and I'm off for a little while -- Jim Dean is ALMOST as cute as the Gov!!! bbl

Here is the ABC News Match-O-Matic for candidates in 2008.  I guess these are in vogue.

Amusingly, I came up 1) Gravel, 2) Obama, and 3) Kucinich. 

59.Joan* In*Florida

Bulbs last many times longer as well as they run cooler
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I am not sure about bulbs lasting longer. They do run cooler but rheostat dimmers also cause vibration. Sometimes you can hear it, and sometimes you can actually see the filiment vibrating. This adds to wear and tear.

Global warming, despite what a converted Reaganaught might tell us, will not be solved by the private sector alone. And many technologies will need to be invested in, even if they fail in the end.

If we can blow a trillion dollars to steal oil, we can invest that much to replace it.

65.Sitka

You just keep telling us how it can't be done while the oceans rise.
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Everybody is talking about how to do it, what the hidden obstacles are, and how to solve the problems. We are not stupid.

You seem to think it is nothing more than a matter of political will, and everything else is irrelevant,

Then you insult our intelligence, when you say scientific and technical problems are nothing but excuses.

Maybe for you they are. Ignorance is bliss.

68.Sitka

Global warming, despite what a converted Reaganaught

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Right now you're talking like a converted Tim Leary follower.

It is a matter of political will on a political blog.

It's the same as saying that we here must come up with a plan to withdraw from Iraq and then arguing about the particulars while the occupation rages on. It's the job of experts to do the details while it's the job of the people to have the will to do what needs to be done and provide what's necessary to implement it.

And I certainly have no confidence in the expertise of anyone on this blog to say what isn't feasable or can't be done. So arguing about is a complete waste.

Jay Buckey--"single payer" = not appropriate

Dr. Jay Buckey, candidate for the United States Senate from New Hampshire knows about health care. He's a doctor, after all. But, he says "single payer," the terminology, not the idea, is mistaken. Because, as he, I think correctly, points out, we all pay for health care, whether through taxes, insurance, co-pays or out-of-pocket, and that's not really going to change. What we want to do is make sure everybody gets health care and the administration of the payments is more efficient. What we want is for the money to go to health care; not paperwork or middlemen.
[more]
http://bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do?di...

64.Tom Bearse
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They gave me

1 Kuchinich
2 Gravel
3 Ron Paul

What a pisser.

71.Sitka

It's the job of experts to do the details while it's the job of the people to have the will to do what needs to be done and provide what's necessary to implement it.
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There's no cookbook solution to every problem. Sometimes the experts are right and sometimes the critics are right. Every argument is different, and sometimes everybody's right or everybody's wrong.

2.Monica Smith

Dr. Jay Buckey, candidate for the United States Senate from New Hampshire knows about health care. He's a doctor, after all. But, he says "single payer,"

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If single payer mean putting the insurance companies out of business, it won't work on a national basis. They have too much power. But government can have a competing plan that will pressure private insurance companies to do better.

The government plan can be open to everyone, rich or poor, but with sliding scale premiums, and co-pays. No one is turned away, all medically necessary procedures and doctor visits would be covered.

Fred wrote "They gave me 1 Kuchinich 2 Gravel 3 Ron Paul."

You should get in touch with Deaniac in GA immediately.

That's why I don't try to write the cookbook to solve global warming. I've just pointed out that technologies are available and that "carbon neutrality" isn't enough. When JFK said the US would land on the moon before the decade ended he knew nothing of the details of technology required --  but he had the will to begin to make it happen.

That's we need --  the will to make it happen, not the nitpicking to keep it from happening.

Like all who try to stifle what they don't agree with, don't know what you're talking about. 

Our rhetoric and stances are solidified. We HAVE the outlets of our OWN information dissemination, we have the support of some of our finest thinkers (NOT THE INTELLECTUAL ELITE, BUT THE BRAVEST, MOST BRILLIANT MINDS OF OUR GENERATION!) and least of all, we have the moral high ground, for WE stand for what is RIGHT.

We stand for family.
We stand for national sovereignty.
We stand for the SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE!!
its no longer about borders and illegal immigration or even illegal wars and unfair economic policies which have bankrupted our nation and destroyed our middle class… For these are all symptoms of a mass global misscarriage of justice, and pieces of an overall agenda which has become very clear…
least of all do we stand for freedom…

But what is freedom?

I tell you now my fellows. Freedom is the freedom to marry and the freedom to live a respectable, dignified life. Look at your wives, and your daughters, and your sisters, and all the rest of our women and girls.

Look at your children.

We fight for THEM.

For they are the defenseless and the easily misled. I am not a chauvanist, however I believe it is a man’s duty to grapple with the politics of his time, and it is a man’s duty to protect his women and children from those who would do them harm!!

So ask yourself? For whom do you fight?

You fight for your community.

And your family.

For there are forces which would delight in seeing your family and loved ones “effecient-ized” that is, raised from cradle to grave on dangerous foods and medication which impair the faculties to resist and dissent, locked into suburban track complexes devoid of any sense of togetherness or community, or worse yet, abandonned to ghettos like the poor have been. These forces want you to be a human battery, dependent upon the state or the NWO ( have your pick! ) unable to resist the fact that you have been de-humanized into a symbiotic relationship with those who govern you with mercy for your basic human needs…

The time is not yet, but is quick in coming.

For now, find yourselves, and inform yourselves.

For now, prepare.

For the time draws nearer and nearer, when words will not suffice to what must be done.

and then you will know, men, that it is your time.

…A time for heroes…

Fight smarter, not harder.

This way we can see that this is indeed a global struggle, and the United States is just one of many fronts.      author unknow.

I think Pelosi MUST be trying to end the war by screwing up our relations with Turkey. She's not stupid or crazy, that has to be the explanation. Maybe she's crazy like a fox.

I'm all in favor of condemning genocide, but for a Congress that has never condemned the past genocide against Americans and is currently funding what amounts to genocide against Iraqis, it stinks of hypocrisy.

Handcuffed, Assaulted, Ticketed By Cop For Distributing 9/11 DVD's
Harassment, unconstitutional search, attempted frame-up of Livonia man for truth movement activism

Prison Planet Exclusive | October 15, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson

A Michigan man was harassed, handcuffed, assaulted, branded "unpatriotic" and subjected to an unconstitutional search of his vehicle during which drugs were allegedly planted, before being ticketed by a police officer for the apparent crime of freely distributing DVD's about 9/11 truth earlier this month.

Josh Skoll was driving in his car when he noticed a slowly moving vehicle without its lights on in front of him. The vehicle's light were turned on shortly after Josh passed the car, identifying it as a Livonia "Charger" police cruiser. Josh stopped about 10 seconds later to continue delivering free 9/11 truth DVD's to homes along his route before the police officer began to question him.

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The officer asked Skoll who the owner of the house he had stopped at was, to which Skoll responded that he didn't know, upon which the officer told him that he needed a permit to hand out free DVD's and ordered him to return to his vehicle.

 The officer then ran Josh's license plate and ordered him to again step out of his vehicle. As soon as Skoll exited the vehicle, he was slapped in handcuffs and threatened with arrest.

With increasing anger, the officer slammed Josh against the car and announced that he would search his vehicle before detaining Skoll inside the police cruiser.

Shortly after proceeding with the unconstitutional search, the cop returned with a small bag of marijuana that Skoll claims was planted. Skoll noted later that his other belongings had hardly been moved during the search.

The officer continued to voice more threats asking Josh why he shouldn't be taken jail before interrogating him about the information contained on the DVD's he had been freely distributing. Despite Skoll's best efforts to explain, the cop dismissed him as "unpatriotic," "unfit for the military" and "too young to have an opinion."

Josh was eventually allowed to leave but not before being cited for a misdemeanor and given a ticket. The comments section of the ticket reads "passing out 9-11 CD's," which is supposedly now a crime in police state America. Skoll's court date is to be set within the next few weeks.

Skoll is not the first to be harassed and abused by police for handing out free information.

In 2004, Kelly Rushing was charged with making "terroristic threats" after he handed out Alex Jones' videos and recordings of a Ron Paul speech on C-Span to Lyon County, Kentucky officials and Kentucky State Trooper Lewis Dobbs.

A jury later ruled in favor of Rushing but he continues to be harassed by authorities and local law enforcement.

Hi Folks,

#57, Linda in SFNM, thanks so much for the Gore YouTube video.  It makes me cry.  How much I'd llike to see him run, but how corrupt, how trivial, how manipulated and vicious the system is.

Thanks Phil, for your answer.  I've read that cow digestive systems are not meant for corn, yet we are buying beef in supermarkets that is advertised as corn fed.  I've also read that after WWII, we had such a surplus of corn, that's when the practice started.  It also enables corporate farmers to use feed lots, w hich are awful.  

 Also, glad, Phil, that you could discipher my message with all the typos.  I guess I've gotten out of the habit of posting.

Here's the latest editorial by Paul Krugman from Truthout.org about Al Gore.

  Gore Derangement Syndrome
    By Paul Krugman
    The New York Times

    Monday 15 October 2007

    On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal's editors couldn't even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore's name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

    And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with "that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore's stance." You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change - therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

    What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

    Partly it's a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

    And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job - to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda's recruiters could have hoped for - the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

    The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the "ozone man," but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, "the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam." And so it has proved.

    But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn't just inconvenient. For conservatives, it's deeply threatening.

    Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals," said F.D.R. "We know now that it is bad economics." These words apply perfectly to climate change. It's in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

    The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. "cap and trade" system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

    Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America's lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America's air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet - and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

    Everything I've just said should be uncontroversial - but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

    So if science says that we have a big problem that can't be solved with tax cuts or bombs - well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor's Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of - who else? - George Soros.

    Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He's taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.

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77.Sitka

When JFK said the US would land on the moon before the decade ended he knew nothing of the details of technology required -- but he had the will to begin to make it happen.
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Sending a person to the moon is a like developing the next Christmas toy, compared to the job we have of detoxifying the world and converting our sources of energy.

It will take infinitely more than a speech and a mandate, and a bunch of men smoking cigarettes and committing monumental blunders to learn fundamental phsysics,

and people have to want to do it too, you cannot make the country do what it doesn't want to do.

Many will argue that the moon walk was a waste of money too. It was just a prestige thing over the USSR. African Americans were still struggling for economic justice, when white men were walking on the moon. It even took credit for inventing the integrated circuit (making transistors from sandwiching silicon and metal oxides into a circuit board) the foundation of the home computer. We later found out it was a false claim.

Personally, I think the "manhattan project" of finding what toxins in our midsts is causing a host of Chronic Degenerative Diseases and regulating them, is more important.

77.

Sitka
Mon, 10/15/07
5:25 pm

Reply to this

That's why I don't try to write the cookbook to solve global warming. I've just pointed out that technologies are available and that "carbon neutrality" isn't enough.

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Nothing is ever enough, but world wide carbon neutrality would be a dream come true, and the earth could heal itself in time.

I think you are trying to apply the "out now" mantra to alternative energy conversion. It is a horse of a different color.

67

  I am not sure about bulbs lasting longer.

Fred,

Well, I am sure. We have lived with the dimmers in two busy bathrooms and 12 bulbs. Though they are seldom used in the daytime because of the skylights, believe me, the bulbs last longer -- much, much longer. I have seldom changed any of them in the last 19 years! Can't beat that.

PRICE CHANGE %CHG TIME
Nymex Crude Future86.50 . 37 .43 18:08
Dated Brent Spot 83.33 2.26 2.79 10/15
WTI Cushing Spot 86.13 2.44 2.92 10/15

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

84. Out Now is the only way to go

Monday, October 15, 2007

1 US Dollar = 0.70452 Euro
1 Euro (EUR) = 1.41941 US Dollar (USD)

http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic

85. Joan* In*Florida
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I know Joan, I use dimmers too. Several of them, but they do wear out. More than without I cannot say, because the dimmer bulbs are more seldom used. It may depend on how much they are dimmed too.

87. Huron John

84. Out Now is the only way to go
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Maybe so, for the "war" but it doesn't translate as easily to other issues, like when you are changing people's life styles with energy and/or restricting toxins in the human ecology.

Al Gore's "Freedom and Security" Speech to MoveOn.org members. If we recall, the mainstream media marginalized Al for his courageous and brilliant comments. The corporate media is always on guard, lest the truth seep into the "news."

For those of you who think Al should get into the presidential race, remember what the CM  (and the Democratic establishment) did (or didn't do) with respect to that speech, which ranks among the greatest of all time.

As I recall Dianne Feinstein (of all people!) was the only Democratic congresscritter who even bothered to attend.

Al's too important to the world to get involved in the 08 election.

Dubya has rendered the office of POTUS as trivial as the dogcatcher of Podunk ( with apologies to the dogs).

a quick stat from the census bureau to send to your representative and senators to override our dear leader's veto of the SCHIP bill.......the percentage of uninsured children younger than 18 rose from 10.9 % in 2005 to 11.7% in 2006.  most of these children [~70%] had parents who worked but were not offered employer health insurance or couldn't afford them.  [for context, the median family income is ~$45,000.]

a quick income breakdown of americans:

$zero - ~$45,000............median is ~$45,000..........~$45,000 - $50,000,000,000+

88. One Canadian Dollar now stands at $1.02+ US, Thanks to Bush and Bernanke

I've already sent an email rocket to tech support regarding the slow (and getting slower) Blog clock.

It aint rocket science guys-- just ping th atomic clock!!!!!

SPEAKING OF ENERGY, GOT THIS IN MY EMAIL

Please tell Toyota to get back in gear by supporting a measure that guarantees a fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon by 2020 for cars and light trucks.

Congress is negotiating an energy bill right now that could do just that -- and save America 1.2 million barrels of oil each day by 2020, more than we import from Saudi Arabia.

But the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers -- the powerful lobbying group that includes Toyota -- is claiming that a 35 m.p.g. average for cars and trucks is "unattainable."

Go tell the maker of the 50-m.p.g. Prius to get out of reverse!

SIGN THE PETITION

http://www.nrdcactionfund.org/

93.Huron John
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Many pundits are now saying they are cooking the CPI to show low inflation so they could bail out the banks with lower rates, in fact, real inflation has taken off.

Yes Huron, thanks about the heads up on our plummeting dollar. I meant to post that same thing this morning........or did I...I think I have too much swelling now to think about much correctly.


Cool bit of info....those video Mr. Gore uploaded to current that I linked....
1 Iraq
2 Constititution
3 Health Car

....they also sidelinked the dailykos diary asking if this is a prelude to a run for him. LOL....and they used the picture I posted here and there.

http://current.com/items/85037061_dailyk...

has anyone calculated the excess carbon footprint of the iraq war? 

btw Fred, I think Joan in Florida's point, CFL's last 10 times longer than incandescent bulbs.

They save EVERYWHERE.

84. Out Now is the only way to go

When something needs to done the thing to is --  do it, not make up excuses about how hard it is.

It's funny how, whether it's getting out of Iraq or reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, it's the same crowd who find reasons to keep putting it off.

OK...took the quiz.......Kucinich, Paul and Gravel..........................

99.Linda*in*SFNM

btw Fred, I think Joan in Florida's point, CFL's last 10 times longer than incandescent bulbs.

They save EVERYWHERE
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Maybe so but they would be an environmental disaster in the long run, especially on a massive scale. The bulb is just glass tin and tungsten. CF are full of toxic metals and materials, and if you break them you have a toxic vapor leak in your house, which could do nerve damage to some people. You only want to put them in wall mounted fixtures, not in lamps that can be toppled.

LEDs are the way to go, but if everybody goes to CF, they'll never get to market them.

101.Michael Ellis
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I got Kuchinich, Gravel, Paul in that order.

Another name that has just appeared on the Draft petition today!

206962 Stephen Colbert NY Since Gore already won the presidency once before, does that mean he cannot run again in 2012?

i just took that quiz too. same 3 guys as you guys. i have to say, though, that there was only 1 answer i'd hvae chosen if asked verbally from all the answers provided. and, gravel and dennis only got 6 of 11 each and paul 3 of 11. now, that tells me that, according to their criteria, all other candidates would agree with me on 2 points or less??? might be fun, but sounds pretty dumb.

Gravel, Kucinich Edwards for me but what a loaded questionaire. global warming needed an all of the above answer

that about says it. i'm almost surprised that they didn't force you to watch a cartoon...oh, wait a minute...they did show a cartoon!?

Hi all.  Catching up on the weeken blogging.  Great posts--enjoyed the music, poetry and commentary.

Fascinating:

How Osama Bin Laden Beat George W. Bush War of Error by Peter Bergen

mar bin Laden, the fourth son of the Al Qaeda leader, cuts a striking figure. In one photo, he stares out from beneath an Adidas baseball cap, his beard closely trimmed--an entirely different look from his father's seventh-century aesthetic. He wears jeans and sits next to his much older wife, a pale-faced British woman with pig tails, whom he divorced a mere five months into their marriage. While his father would not approve of his lifestyle choices, few men know the terrorist mastermind so well. When the Sudanese government exiled bin Laden in 1996, Omar was part of the small contingent that flew in a jet to Al Qaeda's Afghan sanctuary. He spent nearly five years living in the notorious training camps that bin Laden assembled.

btw, we seemed to be well received at the festival last night. lots of smiles and stuff from those in attendance, and apparently a lot of chat traffic as well. we wanted to play this fest last year, but learned about it too late to get in. looks like we're already invited for next year.

But, between his departure from Sudan and his marriage, something happened to Omar: He turned against his father. I caught a small glimpse of his anger when I spoke with Huthaifa Azzam, the son of Palestinian cleric Abdullah Azzam, one of Osama bin Laden's most important mentors. In 2003, Huthaifa had accompanied Omar on a Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, where they spent four days together living in the same tent, performing religious observances, and talking about life in Afghanistan. Omar heaped abuse on his father for attacking the United States. "It's craziness. ... Those guys are dummies," he said. "They have destroyed everything, and for nothing. What did we get from September 11?" In fact, these attacks had driven a permanent wedge between father and son. Soon after planes struck New York and Washington, Omar left Afghanistan in disgust. And, in the years since, he appears to have had no contact with his father.

When Omar fled the Al Qaeda training camps, the organization was in disarray. A 2002 letter written by an Al Qaeda member--and addressed to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operational commander of the September 11 attacks--gives a sense of just how demoralized the group was:

Consider all the fatal and successive disasters that have afflicted us during a period of no more than six months. Those observing our affairs wonder what has happened to us. Today we are experiencing one setback after another and have gone from misfortune to disaster. ... I say today we must completely halt all external actions until we sit down and consider the disaster we caused. The East Asia, Europe, America, Horn of Africa, Yemen, Gulf, and Morocco [terrorist] groups have fallen, and Pakistan has almost been drowned in one push.

Al Qaeda's cadres were right to be dispirited. The United States appeared to have soundly defeated the terrorist organization. As Bruce Hoffman, a Georgetown professor and one of the world's leading authorities on terrorism, told me, "It's difficult to recall the extent to which it was believed that a decisive corner had been turned in 2002 as a result of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. We believed not simply that Al Qaeda was on the run, but that it had been smashed to bits."

Remember that contaminated ice in Iraq? Is this patriotic? Not for the squeamish...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711?currentPage=1 

 Those money grubbing bastards!

But that was five very long years ago--five years during which Al Qaeda has not only survived but also managed to rebuild at an astonishing clip. The group's leadership has reconstituted itself and now operates rather comfortably along the largely lawless Afghan-Pakistan border. Last year, it came close to downing ten U.S. airplanes using liquid explosives--an attack that would have rivaled September 11 in magnitude. Al Qaeda has continually massacred Iraqi civilians over the past three years and has managed to keep the country locked in the grip of sectarian violence. Swathes of Afghanistan are in danger of reverting to Islamist control. The largest Algerian terrorist group announced last year that it was putting itself under Al Qaeda's umbrella--and has subsequently launched a series of attacks in North Africa against Western targets. Britain's domestic intelligence chief said last November that 30 terrorist plots were underway in her country--some of which would involve "mass-casualty suicide attacks"--and that Al Qaeda's Pakistan-based leadership was giving direction to its British followers "on an extensive and growing scale." Last month, Al Qaedalinked militants who had trained at camps in Pakistan were arrested in Germany, where a prosecutor said they had acquired enough chemicals for what would have been "massive bomb attacks" targeting Americans in the country. In a small but telling sign of its restored confidence, Al Qaeda's production arm has cranked out a record number of videos and audiotapes this year. To top things off, according to Hoffman, the group's "determination to strike the United States from abroad again remains undiminished." And it may be getting closer to doing just that: A recent National Intelligence Estimate noted that Al Qaeda "has protected or regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability."

99.

CFL's last 10 times longer than incandescent bulbs.
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That's not always true.

Then you have flickers 60/second.

There are some gases released by their capacitors that give me headaches if I get too close. Headaches could last for hours.
I have that problem with lots of electronics, especially if not on all the time. vapors tend to accumulate inside between use.

I use 15 watt incandescents in several places where I use close reading light. It is as economical and i don't have a lot of light I don't need.

Part of the problem is our insatiable appetite for light. 90% of our street lighting and most of our indoor lighting is not even necessary.

Flourescent light reaches farther distance. It spreads it's light farther distace away from the light source. Incandescent light is more concentrated close to the source. Not sure about LEDs.

America's most formidable foe--once practically dead-- is back. This is one of the most historically significant legacies of President Bush. At nearly every turn, he has made the wrong strategic choices in battling Al Qaeda. To understand the terror network's resurgence--and its continued ability to harm us--we need to reexamine all the ways in which the administration has failed to crush it.

l Qaeda has always had a fundamentally apocalyptic mindset, but never more so than in December 2001. In the snowy mountains of eastern Afghanistan, a place with the cinematic name of Tora Bora, bin Laden and his men prepared for their final stand. They had watched the United States evict the Taliban from power while incurring only small numbers of casualties, and, now, they were on the run. As bin Laden would later recount in a 2003 video, the 300 Al Qaeda militants assembled at the mountain hideaway dug 100 trenches over an area of one square mile in preparation for the battle to come. Ayman Saeed Abdullah Batarfi, a Yemeni doctor now being held at Guantánamo, painted for American interrogators a scene of desperation. "I was out of medicine and I had a lot of casualties," Batarfi recalled. "I did a hand amputation by a knife, and I did a finger amputation with scissors."

I got a sense for just how pessimistic Al Qaeda's leadership must have felt on my visits to Tora Bora in the years following the battle. The complex of mountains dotted with caves lies a three-hour drive up a narrow mud-and-stone road from the eastern Afghanistan city of Jalalabad. You can still find bin Laden's shattered two-room mud house and a destroyed crude swimming pool. In nearby fields, I saw enormous craters where 1,500-pound daisy-cutters had left their mark. "Day and night," bin Laden would later recall, "American forces were bombing us by smart bombs that weigh thousands of pounds and bombs that penetrate caves."

Took the test between innings...Gravel, Kucinich, Obama...back to the game.

tribe rockies here we come

ok, so I'm not Nostradamus but don't count out the Sox quite yet.

tribe rockies here we come

Is your source the same one that says Iowa belongs to Edwards? 

OK one team in history has come back after being down 3-0

and Cleveland leads 4-0 in the sixth

It's 4-2

payne, too late for us, but the festival's still going.

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I think I was too late, but I did link and listen.  I just wasn't sure of the time (IE w/not it was west coast or Finland - Suomi)

Westbrook did his job. they lead

sorry, but like most American men sports trumps politics for me

but since this is sox country I'll quit rubbing it in

124. Just occurred to me from your comment that we are about half and half -- female/male posters it seems like. That's one of the nice things on the blog I'd never considered before.

Kucinich, Gravel, and Dodd.

In that order.  And let me repeat...I like Rep K, but I don't care for his position on the voting age being reduced to 16.  And< i like cC's point about the State Dept being the Dept of Peace.

OK one team in history has come back after being down 3-0

"Never say die while there's a shot in the locker." 

I hate to end a Monday on a serious note - but I was just reading part of "Living in an Imperial World" and somehow it gave me HOPE in these frustrating times. 

 I remembered  our forefathers greatly feared that we would not be able to keep the Republic.   The ‘elite’ and the corporations would take over….or  the military.  And with the media controlled, none of us (most of us) would be the wiser.  We ‘feel’ it – we get angry at the liberties we are losing.  We get a little frightened when we hear of abuses in our justice system, knowing that one day it could well be ‘us’.  We see the unfairness in media and politics and even if it is our supposed side winning by deceit – we are aware that ‘next time’ it could well be the other way around.  We get frustrated that our elections don’t seem honest.  Having trouble trusting 'either side'.   Can we do anything or is it too late?  We are all together – but we are all separated.  I found this quote by Chris Floyd (from Living in an Imperial World).  

 "It is pointless ­ and counterproductive ­ to simply throw yourself under the wheels of such a monstrous machine in futile spasms of rage and despair. The machine doesn't care. It will gladly chew up your life and move on."

I just read part of“Living in an Imperial World”  and learned that there is that thing we learn from a lot of survivors.  That, when they realize they probably don’t stand a chance, are sad about the lost possible future and they accept it –they then  seem to gain an inner strength and clarity and start thinking in unconventional ways.  They accept their situation and then find different answers.  And they survive.

Bringing me to excerpts from:  Karen Kwiatkowski's, (PHD, retired USAF Lt. Col.)

Living In An Imperial World:   Recognize that the republic is dead…To live in an imperial world, we must first, as survivors, recognize that it is an imperial world.

It's over.

…This simple prescription will not only make us survivors, but it will gradually cultivate a political landscape for a future of free republics where today we see nascent totalitarianism and bankrupt empire. This prescription was written for us in 1809 by revolutionary war general John Stark. He advised, "Live free or die. ………..Death is not the worst of evils."

 http://www.rense.com/general78/iomp.htm

And just what team would that one team be Phil?

And just what team would that one team be Phil?

House Republicans Likely to Uphold Veto
By DAVID ESPO – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP)

.....American United For Change targeted Florida Rep. Eric Keller, airing an ad that said he and the president "would rather send half-a-trillion (dollars) to Iraq than spend a fraction of that here at home to keep our kids healthy.

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Quite the connundrum for a political party on the decline. I keep asking my Republican friends what the deal is....why the Republicans are more inclined to throw BILLIONS of dollars down the can in Iraq rather than expand healthcare coverage for American children.

reed's seeing double....

sam's post is pretty powerful...

lz, you have repug friends? i'll also admit that i have actual friends who would undo the republic as i see it...

They are running ads in Oregon against Rep Greg Walden (R) on the fact that he voted with the President on S-chip. I don't know who is running the ads.

133.

mprov
Mon, 10/15/07
10:19 pm

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and relatives who are mesmerized by their party's behavior.

btw, forgive me volney......GREAT DIARY. I am always in awe of the excellent work you all do up in New York.

Didn't I meet Mr. Nixon at the first Democracy Fest, too?...I think?


Anyhoooo.....kudos to all of you and I wish the best of luck.

McCain, Edwards get support from enviro groups

“Senator McCain is the only Republican candidate in 2008 who understands the deep connection between true conservative values and good environmental stewardship,” the group’s president, Martha Marks, said. “He is the candidate best suited, by knowledge, experience and conviction, to provide the strong environmental leadership that our country needs.”

“John Edwards understands that we must accept responsibility for conserving natural resources and act with urgency to stop the crisis of global warming,” the group’s president, Brent Blackwelder, said. “He has led on this issue, with the best plan to halt global warming and protect the environment. He has the strength and courage to stand up to the big corporations that are abusing our planet. And he is the only top-tier candidate in this race who opposes new nuclear plants in the U.S.”

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-...

Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
October 14, 2007

Mountain Dew, the “diet” (that is, aspartame infused) soft drink brand produced by PepsiCo, is running a television advert showing a puppeteer raided by a SWAT team because “window puppet shows are illegal in New York.” As MSNBC’s Ads of the Weird notes, the supposedly humorous ad is “likely to get the attention of diet Mountain Dew’s core intended audience, men ages 18 to 39,” but there is another message here for this “core intended audience”—ninja-black clad SWAT teams, dispatched on the flimsiest of pretense, are not abnormal, are in fact quite normal. Get used to it. You live in a police state now.

FOUND IN MY EMAIL

Hi Fred,

I am thrilled to tell you that Gov. Schwarzenegger signed into law our
Toxic Toys Bill over the weekend!

Thank you for your help in making California the first state in the
country to ban the use of chemicals called phthalates from children's
products.

We applaud Gov. Schwarzenegger, Senate President Perata, Speaker Núñez,
and Assembly Member Ma for standing up to the powerful chemical
industry and passing legislation to protect our kids from chemicals in the
environment.

For more information on phthalates (pronounced "tha-lates"), click
here:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/environmental-health/stop-toxic-toys/phthalates-overview?id4=ES

To read our press release, click here:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/newsroom/environmental-health/environmental-health-news/governor-signs-bill-to-protect-kids-from-toxic-toys

Sincerely,

Dan Jacobson
Environment California Legislative Director

Hey, it's after midnight....mprov and Phil, it sounds like another great night for a poetry jam. Whataya think?


bbl

100.Sitka

It's funny how, whether it's getting out of Iraq or reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, it's the same crowd who find reasons to keep putting it off.

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It's funny how you slander the same people, rejecting your off-the-wall disposition, regardless of the issue.

Nobody ever said they want to procrastinate on either issue, that is your own cynical assessment.

We just disagree with your rediculous assumptions of simplicity, and your wilfull ignorance of the complexity.

It's funny how, whether it's getting out of Iraq or reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, it's the same crowd who find reasons to keep putting it off.

Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement. Where's the untruth?

Never mind that it was written rather than spoken. But even so, it still takes untruth to make libel. 

Even a fantasy campaign has to be rigged for Paul to win.

Kos is reporting DFA List candidate beat incumbent in fundraising this quarter.

IL-03: Lipinski getting bad news
by kos
Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:45:09 PM PDT

Not a good start to Dan Lipinski's week.

Tomorrow he'll wake up to the news that primary challenger and Blue Majority candidate Mark Pera outraised him in the third quarter -- $100K to $75K. More importantly, Pera will have amassed about 850 contributors compared to 74 for Dan Lipinski. And if you divide $75K into 74, it's not hard math to get a sense of exactly what kind of donors are pumping money into Lipinski's coffers.

Lipinski still leads in cash on hand -- $321K to $180K. But the gap is narrowing, and the buzz is building.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1...

Well, now I look like a lopsided Chipmunk...puffy cheek on one side. No fair, I had the ice on all day......gee, can't wait to see how I wake up.

nite all.

142. DANIEL ROONEY

Even a fantasy campaign has to be rigged for Paul to win.  clition is going to win and we all lose happy!!!!

We just disagree We just disagree with your rediculous assumptions of simplicity, and your wilfull ignorance of the complexity.

Kings and queens are accustomed to saying "we" in reference to themselves. When ordinary people do it, it's called delusion of grandeur.

I just disagree with finding excuses for maintaining the ridiculous culture of carbon. 

Israel to expropriate Palestinian land for highway

Special to The Globe and Mail
October 10, 2007

JERUSALEM -- One day after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called on his people to prepare to make painful concessions ahead of a U.S.-hosted peace process, an Israeli newspaper revealed that his government has ordered the expropriation of Palestinian land to build a highway.

Israeli and Palestinian analysts believe the move is meant to give the Jewish state control over a large chunk of Palestinian territory from Jerusalem east to the Jordan Valley....

"If they say it's a Palestinian road, then it means the other road is Jews only," he said. "Even if that sounds positive, it's actually apartheid."

Recent reports by the United Nations and the Israeli human-rights organization B'Tselem reveal that Israel has been creating an increasingly intricate system inside the West Bank that allows Israelis free access to about 1,660 kilometres of roads and limits Palestinian access by roadblocks, check points and a permit system.

The new road will be built on about 162 hectares of Palestinian land, 56 of which is privately owned. The land is being confiscated from the villages of Abu Dis, Arab al-Sawahra, Nebi Musa and Talhin Alhamar....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/s...

149. Sitka

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What excuses?

150. Sitka

...just disagree with finding excuses for maintaining the ridiculous culture of carbon.
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You're talking off-the-cuff. Please specify to what "excuses" you refer.

Let's see.....I can dig up old posts for the memory loss troll or go out for a cool evening run.

No contest. Later. 

Always use the "T" word when you have nothing intellingent to say - good night - tell me in the morning.

Heading out the door. FRoler always wants someone to do his homework for him. It explains his bad memories from school (aside from being the kid no one liked.)

DANIEL ROONEY
Tue, 10/16/07
1:11 am
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LOL.........was that a deliberate typo?

clition is going to win and we all lose happy!!!!

Face it. Short of Gore running, we're screwed any way you look at it.

Good morning, everybody

Still reading through the Vanity Fair article on contracting in Iraq. Actually, until we set up government by the people, it was ever thus. People who had lethal weapons and were willing to use them ruled and they distributed the world's bounty to their loyal subordinates and friends. The only thing that's new is that we not only consider this behavior corrupt but have the ability to root it out. Our mistake was in thinking that it couldn't happen here and that it wouldn't happen again.

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Linda, it's possible you did meet Ted at Deanfest. I know people from DFA Rochester went to it. I, alas, was working... the curse of retail, few weekends.

Ted's campaign has been going real well, but we are concerned that the GOP will do attack ads the final week, so, bloggers, any blog love you can shower on Ted would be greatly appreciated!

One plus is that our GOP county exec has "balanced" the budget on the backs of our school districts, a plan everyone hates, so the GOP has had to buy a lot of ads trying to shove this plan down people's throats. May leave less for scummy ads the last week of Oct. but somehow I think they'll manage to find the $$ they need. Grrr.

-- volney

volney

I'm kinda of saving up since Gore started posting policy statements on Current TV

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22587...

good morning!  you all may have already heard this, but I woke up to the news that Clooney is doiong a movie about Howard's Pres run - woot!  I hope they do a lot of the filming here in VT! 

BURLINGTON, Vt. --A publicist for actor George Clooney confirms that former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean could be depicted in a movie featuring Clooney and Leonardo DiCaprio.

Clooney publicist Stan Rosenfield says the movie depicting Dean's 2004 presidential campaign is in development, but could be years from release.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/10/15/movie_may_depict_dean_presidential_run/

WASHINGTON – The campaign of Presidential candidate Chris Dodd announced today that it would be making significant additions to its senior leadership and field operations in Iowa. Julie Andreeff Jensen, John Kerry's former Iowa political director in 2004 and current Dodd National Field Director, was named Iowa State Director. In addition, Steve Gerencser, a veteran New Hampshire political operative, was named Caucus Director. In a major expansion of its field operations in the state, the campaign also announced the addition of 17 new field organizers.

"We are excited about the additions to our already-strong Iowa team," said Dodd Spokesperson, Colleen Flanagan. "Julie Andreeff Jensen brings even more in-state experience to the campaign, and these additions are another sign of the growing strength of the Dodd campaign in Iowa."

Andreeff Jensen served as John Kerry's Iowa Political Director in 2004, and ended the campaign running 'Get Out The Vote' efforts in Cleveland, Ohio, where she oversaw the largest Democratic turnout in Ohio presidential history.

The additions to field staff build on Dodd's already-strong organization, bringing the total number of organizers to 60 spread over 11 regional offices.

"With these additions, and with the help of Iowa's fire fighters, Chris Dodd is going to successfully bring his message of getting results to Iowa caucus-goers and turn out support on caucus night," said Andreeff Jensen.

In another sign of the growing strength of the Dodd campaign in the state, state Senator Tom Hancock announced earlier in the day that he is endorsing Chris Dodd for President. In addition to representing Delaware, Dubuque, and Jones County in the Iowa Senate, Hancock is also past president of the Iowa Fireman's Association, a 15,300-member organization of Emergency Service providers throughout the state.

Army Offers Captains $35K; Captains Give Blistering Response Hotlist
by Brandon Friedman [Subscribe]
Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 02:05:58 AM PDT

On October 11, just five days ago, the Washington Post reported that Defense Secretary Robert Gates had authorized the Army to offer bonuses of up to $35,000 to keep captains from leaving the service.

Today, on October 16—just five days later—12 former Army captains (all Iraq veterans) responded by advocating for a withdrawal from Iraq:

There is one way we might be able to succeed in Iraq. To continue an operation of this intensity and duration, we would have to abandon our volunteer military for compulsory service. Short of that, our best option is to leave Iraq immediately. A scaled withdrawal will not prevent a civil war, and it will spend more blood and treasure on a losing proposition.

America, it has been five years. It's time to make a choice.

Now, most Republicans will call this "defeatism." Rush will call this "phoniness." And Frederick Kagan will likely call this "short-term thinking."

I call this "the Army giving the collective finger."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16...

Jo*in*Vermont
Tue, 10/16/07
6:40 am
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Yes Jo.....and I think they may give me a small part in it too!

Sitka
Tue, 10/16/07
2:39 am

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I agree 100%......think of it this way, as men we can finally experience what women feel during a "fake" orgasm............what a country.

interesting take on the phrase  "Give Peace (err War) a Chance":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7043411.stm

Some 800,000 Rwandans were slaughtered in 100 days in 1994The 75-year-old woman sat on stage in front of hundreds of United Nations officials, legal experts and academics.

The day before, Marika Nene had travelled from Hungary to Canada - the first plane she had ever taken on her first journey outside Hungary.

She was not intimidated by the gathering. Her long hair was lit up by a stage light and her facial features were strong.

But the strongest thing about Marika Nene, a Roma - or Gypsy - woman who was trapped in the anti-Gypsy pogroms during World War II, was her determination to tell her story.

"I had no choice. I had to give myself up to the soldiers," Marika Nene said through a translator.

"I was a very pretty little gypsy woman and of course the soldiers took me very often to the room with a bed in it where they violated me. I still have nightmares about it".

Many members of Marika Nene's Roma family died in the work camps and the ghettos.

She had travelled to Montreal to give a reality check to the experts and UN officials at the "Global Conference on the Prevention of Genocide".

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Six million Jews or one million Tutsis are just numbers. But this strong Roma woman was a human being who was not ashamed to tell her story.

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The Montreal conference drew personalities from the UN, academia and the legal profession.

The general aim was to build pressure on politicians to take mass killings - even in far-off places about which we know little and sometimes care less - far more seriously.

If that sounds like a fuzzy and vague ambition, Canadian Gen Romeo Dallaire, who commanded a UN peacekeeping force in Rwanda during the 1994 genocide, begged to differ.

Gen Dallaire led a force in Rwanda which was betrayed by UN headquarters in New York - his mission was starved of resources and so forced to observe genocide rather than stop it.

Since that failed mission, he has made a career out of lobbying politicians to do better on issues like peacekeeping, abolishing the use of child soldiers and nuclear disarmament.

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At this point, a controversial scholar intervened with comments which challenged the entire conference.

French author Gerard Prunier, like the proverbial ghost at a wedding, said genocides could not be prevented by the international community.

"When you see a dictatorial regime heating up, everyone starts talking, talking, talking ... and by the time the talking stops, either matters have quietened down or they have happened."

And that is the crux of the matter, according to Mr Prunier - it is difficult for politicians or the military to intervene in a situation that has not yet evolved into a crisis.

Give war a chance?

So what is Mr Prunier's solution?

"Genocides can only be stopped by the people directly involved - and usually that means people involved in the war that accompanies most mass killings."

And if it is the government committing the genocide, the solution is "arm the rebels", he says.

"It won't be clean - it will be messy," the French author said, "but it is more likely to stop the mass killing than international intervention."

To a large extent, Mr Prunier has history on his side. The Holocaust only ended when the allies destroyed Hitler's regime.

The killing fields of Cambodia's Khmer Rouge were only stopped when the Vietnamese army moved in. And the genocide in Rwanda only ended when the Tutsi rebels overthrew the extremist Hutu regime.

Against this, it could be argued that some interventions have worked - for example the Nigerian intervention in Liberia, which was followed up by a UN peacekeeping mission.

It seems that resolving dramatic human rights abuses may require some of the diplomacy and the "international good will" that flowed so freely in Montreal.

But as well as what Winston Churchill called "Jaw Jaw", some situations, it seems, may only be resolved by "War War".

Linda at 41 & 57. Wow. Me too.

Hope that you're feeling better and that you no longer look like a *puffy chipmunk.*

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Anni at 45. That is a very charitable take on Pelosi's actions. If is true, then I may begin to feel a bit more encouraged.

But there is a very big downside right now on the *street* so I hope that she knows what she's doing.

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Monica at 163. I LOVE it!

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Will bbl when the new thread opens ... if it does. HQ obviously has other things on its mind.

Happy wake-ups!

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - A Patriot missile hit a farm in Qatar after being accidentally fired from a base used by U.S. forces in the Gulf Arab state, Al Jazeera television said Tuesday.

The Qatar-based television said the missile launched from Assayliyah base did not cause any casualties. The Patriot system is an anti-missile system.

Officials at Assayliyah were not available for comment.

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Loveley.......look at the bright side..at least this time we didnt shoot down an Iranian airliner filled with passengers.......all we wiped out were a few hens, a rooster, 2 feral cats and destroyed a barn built of mud dating back to the time of Nebochadnezzar...............

bloggie is broke, browse all has some good posts

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numbers of interest

John Edwards (D) - $12.4m

Rudolph Giuliani (R) - $11.6m

Mitt Romney (R) - $9.2m

Fred Thompson (R) - $7.1m

How they spend it

Primary and caucus dates

How fundraising compares

HQ how 'bout a thread offering Night School DVDs for sale with the proceeds going to the blog care fund?

Is the borg sick? Did everyone see the diary on KOS saying Randi Rhodes was attacked in NYC while walking her dog? The details looked a little sketchy and apparently the MSM didn't know about it yet. Here's the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16...

Good morning all.

volney....ok cool. I'm going to have to dig deep.

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163. Payoff didn't work?

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Judy thank you....yes, less pain....NO puffy. Hubby just looked at me and said "Yep, you're swollen". Unfortunately puffy doesn't even explain this. It's so swollen up to my right eye. Greaat, just what I need, more stretching of my skin on my face....:(

And I have a city council meeting this morning, because they're playing games with the Rail Runner (train ) again. Oh, this should raise soome eye brows.

....excuse me a moment....BERNANKE....KISS MY @SS...and THAT is from our COUNTRY!

"Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure"...that's priceless Volney.

there is a new thread


http://blogforamerica.com/

But. for some reason, nobody's finding it. Perhaps the time stamps are throwing people off.

http://blogforamerica.com/view/22544