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Reclaiming the American Dream
On July 4, 2006, revisiting a speech candidate Howard Dean gave at Georgetown University nearly three years ago, I realize that the current state of our nation has not changed much since the day he spoke those words. But in those hopeful times, working with Howard Dean to "take our country back", the thought that Bush could actually win second term seemed unlikely.Yet, running a campaign based on "fear, smear, and queers", somehow Bush did. (Diebold may have helped a bit too.)
But even though I can't help feeling a bit wistful thinking of "what might have been", these words still give me hope and inspiration, and remind me of what our country *could* be. I hope they do the same for you.
http://tinyurl.com/ope82
Our founders built America on the principle that power should rest in the hands of the people. Political power and economic power. Our system of free enterprise has always upheld the notion that the interests of the people should never be subservient to those of the privileged few. That the democratic power of the people should never be subservient to the power of capital.
Our nation's economic strength has rested on a healthy partnership between the public and private sectors and on everyone having the fair chance to compete. But when the balance of power in Washington shifts and private interests control the common good -- American capitalism has been betrayed.
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The Bush presidency is the realization of our founding fathers' fear -- that one day economic power would seize political power. Enron epitomizes this fear, corporate power run amok. The executives at Enron misled the public and their employees to line their pockets with millions of dollars while employees lost their jobs, lost their health insurance and lost their pensions.
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America is an extraordinary country. It is a place where we have all been raised to believe that through hard work, every one of us could build a better life for ourselves and our families. That is the American Dream.
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America is an extraordinary country. It is a place where we have all been raised to believe that through hard work, every one of us could build a better life for ourselves and our families. That is the American Dream.
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Sadly, we're not doing that with Howard Dean as our president. But we're still dedicated to those principles. Dean on!
re-post
The Deans are first! Long live the Deans!
This is so good I thought re-posting would be appropriate. And I think we should stop referring to putz as King George. Let's not give the Universe ideas........
Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Nicholas D. Kristof has written a scorching attack on Fox News, the media--and his own paper.
Excerpts from his latest column follow:
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When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it.
Historically, we in the press have done more damage to our nation by withholding secret information than by publishing it. One example was this newspaper's withholding details of the plans for the Bay of Pigs invasion. President Kennedy himself suggested that the U.S. would have been better served if The Times had published the full story and derailed the invasion.
Then there were the C.I.A. abuses that journalists kept mum about until they spilled over and prompted the Church Committee investigation in the 1970's. And there are secrets we should have found, but didn't: in the run-up to the Iraq war, the press -- particularly this newspaper -- was too credulous about claims that Iraq possessed large amounts of W.M.D.
In each of these cases, we were too compliant. We failed in our watchdog role, and we failed our country."
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Times...
The Deans are first! Long live the Deans!
This is so good I thought re-posting would be appropriate. And I think we should stop referring to putz as King George. Let's not give the Universe ideas........
Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Nicholas D. Kristof has written a scorching attack on Fox News, the media--and his own paper.
Excerpts from his latest column follow:
#
When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it.
Historically, we in the press have done more damage to our nation by withholding secret information than by publishing it. One example was this newspaper's withholding details of the plans for the Bay of Pigs invasion. President Kennedy himself suggested that the U.S. would have been better served if The Times had published the full story and derailed the invasion.
Then there were the C.I.A. abuses that journalists kept mum about until they spilled over and prompted the Church Committee investigation in the 1970's. And there are secrets we should have found, but didn't: in the run-up to the Iraq war, the press -- particularly this newspaper -- was too credulous about claims that Iraq possessed large amounts of W.M.D.
In each of these cases, we were too compliant. We failed in our watchdog role, and we failed our country."
www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Times...
Those close elections so easy to steal
aren't they, putz?
This is so obvious, a child could see it. Hanky Panky big time.
By Alistair Bell and Anahi Rama
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's leftist presidential candidate, narrowly trailing his conservative rival in the vote, will call street protests if necessary to challenge an election he says was plagued with irregularities..
Senior aides to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said on Tuesday he was first taking his challenge to election authorities but may then bring out supporters to back his fight against the apparent razor-thin victory of ruling party candidate Felipe Calderon.
"We are not calling for immediate demonstrations but of course it could happen at some point," Manuel Camacho Solis, the candidate's main political operator, told Reuters.
Mexico now appears certain to face two months of legal wrangling over the results, and the threat of street protests has raised fears of political unrest in a young democracy that is key to U.S. interests over immigration, drug smuggling and security.
Camacho Solis said supporters were already pushing Lopez Obrador, the combative former mayor of Mexico City, to take his cause onto the streets. Many militants remember the 1988 election when fraud was widely believed to have robbed a leftist of victory.
"People do not want a negotiation, they do not want us to accept the result, but we have to guide the movement politically so it doesn't end up in a greater confrontation."
Lopez Obrador's election campaign manager, Jesus Ortega, also said protests were an obvious option.
"We will exercise our political rights and freedoms if necessary, if we consider there were irregularities and nothing is being done within the law to correct them," he said.
today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic...
aren't they, putz?
This is so obvious, a child could see it. Hanky Panky big time.
By Alistair Bell and Anahi Rama
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's leftist presidential candidate, narrowly trailing his conservative rival in the vote, will call street protests if necessary to challenge an election he says was plagued with irregularities..
Senior aides to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said on Tuesday he was first taking his challenge to election authorities but may then bring out supporters to back his fight against the apparent razor-thin victory of ruling party candidate Felipe Calderon.
"We are not calling for immediate demonstrations but of course it could happen at some point," Manuel Camacho Solis, the candidate's main political operator, told Reuters.
Mexico now appears certain to face two months of legal wrangling over the results, and the threat of street protests has raised fears of political unrest in a young democracy that is key to U.S. interests over immigration, drug smuggling and security.
Camacho Solis said supporters were already pushing Lopez Obrador, the combative former mayor of Mexico City, to take his cause onto the streets. Many militants remember the 1988 election when fraud was widely believed to have robbed a leftist of victory.
"People do not want a negotiation, they do not want us to accept the result, but we have to guide the movement politically so it doesn't end up in a greater confrontation."
Lopez Obrador's election campaign manager, Jesus Ortega, also said protests were an obvious option.
"We will exercise our political rights and freedoms if necessary, if we consider there were irregularities and nothing is being done within the law to correct them," he said.
today.reuters.com/news/newsArtic...
mexico
from above URL. Let's look at this. Obrador was a well-liked mayor of Mexico city, balanced the budget and has the big urban vote. He also has the vote of the poor which is much of the rest of Mexico. Tell me how this translates into a close election. TELL ME, PUTZ! Exit polls had Obrador leading slightly. My, what a difference a day with the interferring putz makes.
Conservative has narrow lead in Mexico election chaos
A conservative former cabinet minister emerged as the narrow leader in Mexico's knife-edge presidential election today as the country tensed itself for an unsettling "Florida-style" recount.
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a leftist former mayor of Mexico with a devoted urban following, trails Felipe Calderon, a pro-business, former energy secretary, by just over 1 per cent or 400,000 votes, according to preliminary results from the Mexico's official Federal Electoral Institute (IFE).
But the margin of victory is too small to declare an official winner, so the IFE will begin a vote-by-vote count across Mexico's 300 electoral districts tomorrow. A clear result is expected by Sunday, but legal challenges could delay any resolution for months.
Late yesterday Seņor Lopez Obrador added more tension to the already grave test of Mexico's democratic institutions by alleging that as many as 3 million votes could be missing, and that he was aware of "many irregularities" in the ballot that he would challenge in court.
Seņor Lopez Obrador, whose Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) was founded by Cuauhtemoc Cardenas, a populist famously cheated of victory in Mexico's 1988 presidential election, has promised "to employ whatever legal means" to defend the "triumph" that he declared last Sunday night.
from above URL. Let's look at this. Obrador was a well-liked mayor of Mexico city, balanced the budget and has the big urban vote. He also has the vote of the poor which is much of the rest of Mexico. Tell me how this translates into a close election. TELL ME, PUTZ! Exit polls had Obrador leading slightly. My, what a difference a day with the interferring putz makes.
Conservative has narrow lead in Mexico election chaos
A conservative former cabinet minister emerged as the narrow leader in Mexico's knife-edge presidential election today as the country tensed itself for an unsettling "Florida-style" recount.
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a leftist former mayor of Mexico with a devoted urban following, trails Felipe Calderon, a pro-business, former energy secretary, by just over 1 per cent or 400,000 votes, according to preliminary results from the Mexico's official Federal Electoral Institute (IFE).
But the margin of victory is too small to declare an official winner, so the IFE will begin a vote-by-vote count across Mexico's 300 electoral districts tomorrow. A clear result is expected by Sunday, but legal challenges could delay any resolution for months.
Late yesterday Seņor Lopez Obrador added more tension to the already grave test of Mexico's democratic institutions by alleging that as many as 3 million votes could be missing, and that he was aware of "many irregularities" in the ballot that he would challenge in court.
Seņor Lopez Obrador, whose Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) was founded by Cuauhtemoc Cardenas, a populist famously cheated of victory in Mexico's 1988 presidential election, has promised "to employ whatever legal means" to defend the "triumph" that he declared last Sunday night.
razor thin elections
These are frauds IMO - polls are rigged and the media is spoon fed, so that the voters think it's close, even when it's not. You simply can't trust the Bushies with anything, especially your votes.
THIS is what we have to be wary of in Nov. Close razor-thin races that a re so prone to theft.
These are frauds IMO - polls are rigged and the media is spoon fed, so that the voters think it's close, even when it's not. You simply can't trust the Bushies with anything, especially your votes.
THIS is what we have to be wary of in Nov. Close razor-thin races that a re so prone to theft.
truthout
George Beres | Alarms Fit the 4th of July
www.truthout.org/docs_2006/07040...
"What does Daniel Ellsberg have to do with Paul Revere," asks George Beres. "The 4th of July holiday reminds that both took personal risks by sounding the alarm about problems with the country's rulers. Like Paul Revere of the original 4th of July, what they reveal and what they urge is in response to malfeasance in government. Citizens must know the truth if they are to act against lies that increasingly keep them captive. That alert once came from Paul Revere. His modern incarnation is Daniel Ellsberg. We must listen - and act."
George Beres | Alarms Fit the 4th of July
www.truthout.org/docs_2006/07040...
"What does Daniel Ellsberg have to do with Paul Revere," asks George Beres. "The 4th of July holiday reminds that both took personal risks by sounding the alarm about problems with the country's rulers. Like Paul Revere of the original 4th of July, what they reveal and what they urge is in response to malfeasance in government. Citizens must know the truth if they are to act against lies that increasingly keep them captive. That alert once came from Paul Revere. His modern incarnation is Daniel Ellsberg. We must listen - and act."
Fireworks
Space shuttle Discovery goes into orbit
By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer 21 minutes ago
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - In a majestic Independence Day liftoff, Discovery and its crew of seven blasted into orbit Tuesday on the first space shuttle launch in a year, flying over objections from those within
NASA who argued for more fuel-tank repairs.
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NASA's first-ever Fourth of July launch came after two weather delays and last-minute foam trouble that conjured up worries that have dogged NASA since Columbia was brought down by a chunk of fuel tank insulation foam 3 1/2 years ago.
The foam problem resurfaced during last July's flight of Discovery and again Monday, keeping the space agency debating safety all the way up to the eve of liftoff.
As Discovery thundered away from its seaside pad at 2:38 p.m. and into space Tuesday, video showed was no initial sign of significant foam loss. Engineers will spend the next few days poring over the video before the shuttle returns to Earth.
Commander Steven Lindsey, an Air Force fighter pilot, was at Discovery's controls and aiming for a Thursday linkup with the international space station.
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By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer 21 minutes ago
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - In a majestic Independence Day liftoff, Discovery and its crew of seven blasted into orbit Tuesday on the first space shuttle launch in a year, flying over objections from those within
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Commander Steven Lindsey, an Air Force fighter pilot, was at Discovery's controls and aiming for a Thursday linkup with the international space station.
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seashell
I'm with-holding judgement on the Mexican election to see what they do with the 700,000 ballots that weren't orginally counted.
I think they have a model system compared to ours and would like to see us copy it.(a sperate Presidential ballot)
speaking of models the German's adopted the Clinton health plan and have covered everyone
of course on the Fourth no one will concede any nation has a better system of anything than us, it's hubris maximus day
I'm with-holding judgement on the Mexican election to see what they do with the 700,000 ballots that weren't orginally counted.
I think they have a model system compared to ours and would like to see us copy it.(a sperate Presidential ballot)
speaking of models the German's adopted the Clinton health plan and have covered everyone
of course on the Fourth no one will concede any nation has a better system of anything than us, it's hubris maximus day
Phil
A separate pres ballot? What a great idea. I didn't know that. I wonder why the 700,000 were originally counted and do you know where they're from?
A separate pres ballot? What a great idea. I didn't know that. I wonder why the 700,000 were originally counted and do you know where they're from?
Driving people away from the blog
It's not that those of us who bail are weak, or that the offending party is particularly strong. It can be summed up in the poignant quote from Robert Heinlein:
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, because it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
It's not that those of us who bail are weak, or that the offending party is particularly strong. It can be summed up in the poignant quote from Robert Heinlein:
"Never try to teach a pig to sing, because it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
seashell
200,000 were cast without a vote that even registered
and then the circled instead of X ed or something like that
then the others were challenged or wrong boxed or all the other things voters do wrong with unclear directions
the kind of mistakes Republicans rely on to stay in power
stay tuned it should be possible to determine the real winner
200,000 were cast without a vote that even registered
and then the circled instead of X ed or something like that
then the others were challenged or wrong boxed or all the other things voters do wrong with unclear directions
the kind of mistakes Republicans rely on to stay in power
stay tuned it should be possible to determine the real winner
No doubt a strong probability the Republican Right is using dirty tricks to win "close" elections. The fact that their leader King George feels "protecting the country" is more important that our time-honored system of habeus corpus and innocent until proven guilty. That privacy and civil rights need to take a back seat to "security."
such an attitude can easily be used as a rationale to steal elections from "those who would weaken the republic."
The problem is proving such unimaginables to an incredulous public.
Fred
such an attitude can easily be used as a rationale to steal elections from "those who would weaken the republic."
The problem is proving such unimaginables to an incredulous public.
Fred
and then the circled instead of X ed or something like that
then the others were challenged or wrong boxed or all the other things voters do wrong with unclear directions
by Phil Specht on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:04 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
lol
The directions on the Mexican ballot were as clear as dirt. There was even aa sample ballot on the ballot so that people could mark it.
There is always some "spoilage" and that is going to continue no matter what. A lot of people in the US cant set their VCR's.
As for a seperate Presidential ballot.
You must like Bush V Gore.
That is the where that decision will one day ultimatly take us.
Robert
then the others were challenged or wrong boxed or all the other things voters do wrong with unclear directions
by Phil Specht on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:04 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
lol
The directions on the Mexican ballot were as clear as dirt. There was even aa sample ballot on the ballot so that people could mark it.
There is always some "spoilage" and that is going to continue no matter what. A lot of people in the US cant set their VCR's.
As for a seperate Presidential ballot.
You must like Bush V Gore.
That is the where that decision will one day ultimatly take us.
Robert
No doubt a strong probability the Republican Right is using dirty tricks to win "close" elections.
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:14 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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there you go again. No proof whatsoever. But your ideology requires you to come to those conclusions. How about the GOP is simply winning elections? Including the close ones?
With no proof that is the only conclusion one can come to.
Robert
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:14 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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there you go again. No proof whatsoever. But your ideology requires you to come to those conclusions. How about the GOP is simply winning elections? Including the close ones?
With no proof that is the only conclusion one can come to.
Robert
by JOHN SASS on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 03:45 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
I am a fan of RH, as a Second year I introduced RH at the scifi convention which meant I got to have lunch with him.
I know how he used that statement...and it is not how you quote it.
Rolling Stones rock (as does Starship Troopers...particularly Dina Meyer!)
Robert
I am a fan of RH, as a Second year I introduced RH at the scifi convention which meant I got to have lunch with him.
I know how he used that statement...and it is not how you quote it.
Rolling Stones rock (as does Starship Troopers...particularly Dina Meyer!)
Robert
With no proof that is the only conclusion one can come to.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:16 PM
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That is exactly what I am saying. Could not agree more. However, one does not have to be an ideologue to have suspicions, anymore than one has to be a Judeo-Christian to suspect adultery.
However, your reason for apprehension might be your own ideology, that would deny one the right to even question authority, Sir.
Fred
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:16 PM
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That is exactly what I am saying. Could not agree more. However, one does not have to be an ideologue to have suspicions, anymore than one has to be a Judeo-Christian to suspect adultery.
However, your reason for apprehension might be your own ideology, that would deny one the right to even question authority, Sir.
Fred
$th of July celebration
Hi Blog folks,
Just returned from the world's shortest Fourth of July parade and picnic. There must have been 20 entries: Ponies of the Americas, 3; ATVs decorated with Lady Liberties, an elk's antler's, flags, children dressed as nurses, doctors, soldiers, plenty of dogs with patriotic scarves (counted 9 dogs and 20 people at the corner of Wren and Snowtop), bicycles, motorcycles, trucks, jeeps, trailers. People were tossing red, silver, and blue laniappes, just like in New Orleans, music blaring, children running to catch candies. It was glorious. There were almost as many watchers as those in the parade.
Then a picnic at a neighbor's: lots of children (must have been 30) lots of people: grandparents, parents, children, grandchildren, dogs, republicans, democrats, minorities of all kinds. Hot dogs, (seems everyone brought a pot of beans too), salads, chips, salsa, lemonade, cherry drink, great desserts. We also brought our own chairs, the emergency response team loaned us tables and a porta potty. Must have been a hundred people. Strawberry played the guitar and harmonica and sang. There was a happy face pinata and a watermelon pinata. Lovely, an old fashioned Fourth for those of us oldsters who grew up with extended families gathering in a park or at someone's home. Lovely, a variety of viewpoints: I wore my Angie Paccione shirt. Anne told me how glad she was I wore it. She works with a Care group in a nearby community. Yes, this is the America I love and revere: heterogeniety, differences but graciousness, kindness, generosity, and joy in being together.
Something like the blog here.
Hi Blog folks,
Just returned from the world's shortest Fourth of July parade and picnic. There must have been 20 entries: Ponies of the Americas, 3; ATVs decorated with Lady Liberties, an elk's antler's, flags, children dressed as nurses, doctors, soldiers, plenty of dogs with patriotic scarves (counted 9 dogs and 20 people at the corner of Wren and Snowtop), bicycles, motorcycles, trucks, jeeps, trailers. People were tossing red, silver, and blue laniappes, just like in New Orleans, music blaring, children running to catch candies. It was glorious. There were almost as many watchers as those in the parade.
Then a picnic at a neighbor's: lots of children (must have been 30) lots of people: grandparents, parents, children, grandchildren, dogs, republicans, democrats, minorities of all kinds. Hot dogs, (seems everyone brought a pot of beans too), salads, chips, salsa, lemonade, cherry drink, great desserts. We also brought our own chairs, the emergency response team loaned us tables and a porta potty. Must have been a hundred people. Strawberry played the guitar and harmonica and sang. There was a happy face pinata and a watermelon pinata. Lovely, an old fashioned Fourth for those of us oldsters who grew up with extended families gathering in a park or at someone's home. Lovely, a variety of viewpoints: I wore my Angie Paccione shirt. Anne told me how glad she was I wore it. She works with a Care group in a nearby community. Yes, this is the America I love and revere: heterogeniety, differences but graciousness, kindness, generosity, and joy in being together.
Something like the blog here.
4th of July
Should be 4th of July, though come to think of it, the dollar sign also makes a statement, doesn't it.
Should be 4th of July, though come to think of it, the dollar sign also makes a statement, doesn't it.
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 04:37 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Fred.
There is questioning authority and there is idle uninformed speculation. That is what all the "vote fraud" junk is. It is very uninformed, very speculative, lacking in proof, almost completly silly.
Questioning authority requires that one have facts to do it. Or at the very least "informed" speculation.
The "Diebold is evil" crowd doesnt have it. All they have is that they lose election after election and cant figure out why.
Look closer to home. The left is losing because 1) they dont pay attention to politics 2) they are arrogant and 3) they dont have a clue how to discpline themselves.
sorry for the late reply...got a little busy there. It was funny that on another thread we talked about "the Orbit Jet".
Robert
Fred.
There is questioning authority and there is idle uninformed speculation. That is what all the "vote fraud" junk is. It is very uninformed, very speculative, lacking in proof, almost completly silly.
Questioning authority requires that one have facts to do it. Or at the very least "informed" speculation.
The "Diebold is evil" crowd doesnt have it. All they have is that they lose election after election and cant figure out why.
Look closer to home. The left is losing because 1) they dont pay attention to politics 2) they are arrogant and 3) they dont have a clue how to discpline themselves.
sorry for the late reply...got a little busy there. It was funny that on another thread we talked about "the Orbit Jet".
Robert
The "Diebold is evil" crowd doesnt have it. All they have is that they lose election after election and cant figure out why.
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:06 PM
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I don't see it that way at all. Machines should be foolproof with a paper back up. I see it as a patriotic duty to scrutinize the new technology. Somebody's got to do it. As I have read analysis by unbiased commentators, these machine have many flaws Democrats or Republicans can take advantage of, or at least may make random errors.
I used the word dirty tricks for a reason. You seem to think we need a system that runs on faith and trust. [That did not work with Nixon.] When there is no other alternative, it may come down to that. But Murphy's Law says if there's a way to rig the system, somebody will - sooner or later.
I don't know what your problem is with that. It is not a panacea for Democrats election woes, but neither is your list, which is just universal flaws that apply to conservatives and right wingers as well.
We are living is a time of great fear and paranoia, and we happen to have a Republican party that is good at exploiting that fear. Democrats need to get their act together but they don't need a spokesperson from the Right to throw it up to their faces.
Fred
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:06 PM
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I don't see it that way at all. Machines should be foolproof with a paper back up. I see it as a patriotic duty to scrutinize the new technology. Somebody's got to do it. As I have read analysis by unbiased commentators, these machine have many flaws Democrats or Republicans can take advantage of, or at least may make random errors.
I used the word dirty tricks for a reason. You seem to think we need a system that runs on faith and trust. [That did not work with Nixon.] When there is no other alternative, it may come down to that. But Murphy's Law says if there's a way to rig the system, somebody will - sooner or later.
I don't know what your problem is with that. It is not a panacea for Democrats election woes, but neither is your list, which is just universal flaws that apply to conservatives and right wingers as well.
We are living is a time of great fear and paranoia, and we happen to have a Republican party that is good at exploiting that fear. Democrats need to get their act together but they don't need a spokesperson from the Right to throw it up to their faces.
Fred
The Tapo flew for under 1 minute before it broke up. This is consistent with a breakup near Max Q (although I dont know that is what happened).
The leader of NK is a punk. Itis time just to smack him down! (my own personal opinion).
Robert
The leader of NK is a punk. Itis time just to smack him down! (my own personal opinion).
Robert
We are living is a time of great fear and paranoia,
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:33 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Fred.
are you? I am in neither great fear nor paranoia. I am pretty much about the same place I was oh 10 years ago (or 40 years ago take your pick). I have been in "great fear" once (and that included the times I was being shot at)...and that is when Ivan and Nixon (odd you mention him) were staring each other down with the nuclear weapons. (I was to small during the Missile crisis to be in fear.) During the Nixon/Ivan stare down things for a day or two looked pretty "dicey"...but that was only contemporary. In retrospect it was "less".
I dont fear for our Democracy or our Republic from internal events. I think what is going on past 9/11 is perfectly normal in a crisis. Even a modicum of history would soothe the most excited among us. The US goes through these swings, The Constitution does as it is doing dampen them out.
As for the GOP. They are good at politics. Nothing wrong with that.
But to move it into some nefarious scheme...need evidence.
Robert
I see no reason to...and I look very hard.
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:33 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Fred.
are you? I am in neither great fear nor paranoia. I am pretty much about the same place I was oh 10 years ago (or 40 years ago take your pick). I have been in "great fear" once (and that included the times I was being shot at)...and that is when Ivan and Nixon (odd you mention him) were staring each other down with the nuclear weapons. (I was to small during the Missile crisis to be in fear.) During the Nixon/Ivan stare down things for a day or two looked pretty "dicey"...but that was only contemporary. In retrospect it was "less".
I dont fear for our Democracy or our Republic from internal events. I think what is going on past 9/11 is perfectly normal in a crisis. Even a modicum of history would soothe the most excited among us. The US goes through these swings, The Constitution does as it is doing dampen them out.
As for the GOP. They are good at politics. Nothing wrong with that.
But to move it into some nefarious scheme...need evidence.
Robert
I see no reason to...and I look very hard.
We are living is a time of great fear and paranoia,
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:33 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: ..
since I am "UP" I am soothing my paranoia by having yet another piece of cherry pie...and icecream.
The snow cones were awesome.
I had 10.
Robert
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:33 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: ..
since I am "UP" I am soothing my paranoia by having yet another piece of cherry pie...and icecream.
The snow cones were awesome.
I had 10.
Robert
NK
Jesus, I go out to buy house paint and come back to this - the long range missile did launch and then pooped.
I'd like to suggest that the putz focus on Iran and just let NK keep on producing nukes that will be able to reach our shores.
Or now Bushie could pre-emptively bomb NK.
If the dems can't win on this fiasco alone, we are dead as a country.
CNN reporting that during the Clinton years, NK had halted production and then went ahead when the putz was elected and playing in the Iraqi sandbox with his playmates.
PUTZ.. Worst. ever.
Jesus, I go out to buy house paint and come back to this - the long range missile did launch and then pooped.
I'd like to suggest that the putz focus on Iran and just let NK keep on producing nukes that will be able to reach our shores.
Or now Bushie could pre-emptively bomb NK.
If the dems can't win on this fiasco alone, we are dead as a country.
CNN reporting that during the Clinton years, NK had halted production and then went ahead when the putz was elected and playing in the Iraqi sandbox with his playmates.
PUTZ.. Worst. ever.
As for the GOP. They are good at politics. Nothing wrong with that.
But to move it into some nefarious scheme...need evidence.
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:41
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You are the one insinuating conspiracy theories. It may not be the whole party, or even an underground group, just individuals that know the trips and use them when they need to.
When I saw the buildings burning in NYC one of my first fears was an ever widening cycle of violence like the Russians did in Chechnya, because of a relative small network of activists. Our actions of the last 5 years has been to make enemies not to defeat them.
I am more afraid of America's actions than I am the terrorists at the moment, which can cause more terrorism in the future. Fighting that with firepower and armies is useless in the long run. We need to fight it with Goodwill on-the-ground intelligence, politics, and humanitarian foreign aid. If we had spent the money in Iraq on food and medicine, education, etc. in Asia, Africa, and the ME, including Palestine, we would be winning the war on terrorism.
We are doing just the opposite now. We are acting like the right wing Israelis, and Russians, and making more enemies, not friends.
-Fred
But to move it into some nefarious scheme...need evidence.
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:41
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You are the one insinuating conspiracy theories. It may not be the whole party, or even an underground group, just individuals that know the trips and use them when they need to.
When I saw the buildings burning in NYC one of my first fears was an ever widening cycle of violence like the Russians did in Chechnya, because of a relative small network of activists. Our actions of the last 5 years has been to make enemies not to defeat them.
I am more afraid of America's actions than I am the terrorists at the moment, which can cause more terrorism in the future. Fighting that with firepower and armies is useless in the long run. We need to fight it with Goodwill on-the-ground intelligence, politics, and humanitarian foreign aid. If we had spent the money in Iraq on food and medicine, education, etc. in Asia, Africa, and the ME, including Palestine, we would be winning the war on terrorism.
We are doing just the opposite now. We are acting like the right wing Israelis, and Russians, and making more enemies, not friends.
-Fred
Meanwhile,back at the MX ranch...
from google "Mexico elections"
Mexico leftist could call election protests
Tue Jul 4, 2006 8:33 PM BST14
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By Alistair Bell and Catherine Bremer
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's left-wing presidential candidate wants every single vote recounted and is threatening to call street protests as he fights an election result giving a razor-thin victory to his conservative rival.
Senior aides to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a combative former mayor of Mexico City, said on Tuesday they want a recount of Sunday's tight election to include every vote cast, not just the ballot returns reported by polling stations.
Lopez Obrador is first taking his challenge to election authorities but the aides said he could then bring out supporters to back his fight against results that just favour his ruling party rival, Felipe Calderon.
"We have full confidence that if the votes are counted, we will win the election," Manuel Camacho Solis, the leftist's main political operator, said.
Mexico now faces two months of legal wrangling over the results, and the threat of street protests has raised fears of political unrest in a young democracy that is key to U.S. interests over immigration, drug smuggling and security.
Left-wing militants remember a 1988 election when fraud was almost certainly robbed their candidate of victory and some are pushing Lopez Obrador to take his cause to the streets now.
from google "Mexico elections"
Mexico leftist could call election protests
Tue Jul 4, 2006 8:33 PM BST14
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By Alistair Bell and Catherine Bremer
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's left-wing presidential candidate wants every single vote recounted and is threatening to call street protests as he fights an election result giving a razor-thin victory to his conservative rival.
Senior aides to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a combative former mayor of Mexico City, said on Tuesday they want a recount of Sunday's tight election to include every vote cast, not just the ballot returns reported by polling stations.
Lopez Obrador is first taking his challenge to election authorities but the aides said he could then bring out supporters to back his fight against results that just favour his ruling party rival, Felipe Calderon.
"We have full confidence that if the votes are counted, we will win the election," Manuel Camacho Solis, the leftist's main political operator, said.
Mexico now faces two months of legal wrangling over the results, and the threat of street protests has raised fears of political unrest in a young democracy that is key to U.S. interests over immigration, drug smuggling and security.
Left-wing militants remember a 1988 election when fraud was almost certainly robbed their candidate of victory and some are pushing Lopez Obrador to take his cause to the streets now.
NK
July 4, 2006 -- North Korea launched three missiles today, including one believed to be the long-range Taepodong-2, which is believed to be capable of reaching U.S. soil, sources told ABC News.
The first two missiles launched appeared to be short- or mid-range missiles, but it appeared that the third -- which broke up shortly after it launched -- was a longer range missile, sources said.
White House spokesman Tony Snow said North Korea had launched three missiles, but he could not confirm whether the Taepodong-2 was among the weapons tested.
The launches of the first two missiles were detected by NORAD -- the North American Aerospace Defense Command -- sources told ABC News.
The first launch occurred around 2:30 p.m. ET, and the second came at around 3 p.m., the sources said.
Both of those launches were tracked and determined completely incapable of coming anywhere close to the United States, though one source told ABC News the government could not say where the missiles had landed.
A Japanese government official said North Korea seemed to launched three missiles, the first two a half-hour apart and the third coming an hour later, and all three landed in the Sea of Japan.
July 4, 2006 -- North Korea launched three missiles today, including one believed to be the long-range Taepodong-2, which is believed to be capable of reaching U.S. soil, sources told ABC News.
The first two missiles launched appeared to be short- or mid-range missiles, but it appeared that the third -- which broke up shortly after it launched -- was a longer range missile, sources said.
White House spokesman Tony Snow said North Korea had launched three missiles, but he could not confirm whether the Taepodong-2 was among the weapons tested.
The launches of the first two missiles were detected by NORAD -- the North American Aerospace Defense Command -- sources told ABC News.
The first launch occurred around 2:30 p.m. ET, and the second came at around 3 p.m., the sources said.
Both of those launches were tracked and determined completely incapable of coming anywhere close to the United States, though one source told ABC News the government could not say where the missiles had landed.
A Japanese government official said North Korea seemed to launched three missiles, the first two a half-hour apart and the third coming an hour later, and all three landed in the Sea of Japan.
Wake up call
I wonder if Congress and CM will finally wake up to the disastrous policies of Putz&Co.
I wonder if Congress and CM will finally wake up to the disastrous policies of Putz&Co.
NK
Kim Jong Il would have been smarter to do this on a regular news day and not when everyone is out blowing up their own toys. Altho I think the CM will be all over this for awhile...
Kim Jong Il would have been smarter to do this on a regular news day and not when everyone is out blowing up their own toys. Altho I think the CM will be all over this for awhile...
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:56 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
You are the one insinuating conspiracy theories. ...
NO FRED.
I am the one saying NOTHING HAPPENED. Absolutly nothing. I dont think that there was vote fraud, rigging, stealing by machines anything.
You are the one who thinks that there "probably might have been" or something like that.
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"I am more afraid of America's actions than I am the terrorists at the moment, which can cause more terrorism in the future. ."
I pitty you. I am not afraid of "anyone" much less our own government and actions. I wouldnt have gone into IRaq but it didnt make the problem go anywhere it wasnt going anyway. You seem to think that we can appease the bad guys or get along with them. I say delete them.
I dont think that you deal with bandits. You "end them".
Robert
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You are the one insinuating conspiracy theories. ...
NO FRED.
I am the one saying NOTHING HAPPENED. Absolutly nothing. I dont think that there was vote fraud, rigging, stealing by machines anything.
You are the one who thinks that there "probably might have been" or something like that.
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"I am more afraid of America's actions than I am the terrorists at the moment, which can cause more terrorism in the future. ."
I pitty you. I am not afraid of "anyone" much less our own government and actions. I wouldnt have gone into IRaq but it didnt make the problem go anywhere it wasnt going anyway. You seem to think that we can appease the bad guys or get along with them. I say delete them.
I dont think that you deal with bandits. You "end them".
Robert
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PUTZ..
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:52 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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have you learned a new word?
LOL
Robert
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 05:52 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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have you learned a new word?
LOL
Robert
I am the one saying NOTHING HAPPENED. Absolutly nothing. I dont think that there was vote fraud, rigging, stealing by machines anything.
I dont think that you deal with bandits. You "end them".
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:16 PM
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You are so programmed to the same response - you did not even understand my post.
I wasn't talking about dealing with the "bad guys" I know we will do that. I was talking of winning over the support of the rest of the population of those who would support/join them. We have done just the opposite, we have increased our enemies. We are making more bad guys, because people hate us, and they hate people like you. Sorry to break it to you this way.
I pity your blindness. My fears are justified.
Fred
I dont think that you deal with bandits. You "end them".
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:16 PM
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You are so programmed to the same response - you did not even understand my post.
I wasn't talking about dealing with the "bad guys" I know we will do that. I was talking of winning over the support of the rest of the population of those who would support/join them. We have done just the opposite, we have increased our enemies. We are making more bad guys, because people hate us, and they hate people like you. Sorry to break it to you this way.
I pity your blindness. My fears are justified.
Fred
I was talking of winning over the support of the rest of the population of those who would support/join them. We have done just the opposite, we have increased our enemies. We are making more bad guys, because people hate us, and they hate people like you. Sorry to break it to you this way.
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by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:25 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Fred.
I think you are completly wrong. Utterly wrong. The record turnout for Iraq elections tells me you are wrong.
Have your fears. We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
Robert
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by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:25 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Fred.
I think you are completly wrong. Utterly wrong. The record turnout for Iraq elections tells me you are wrong.
Have your fears. We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
Robert
Exactly
The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself that our administration instills in all the people they want to vote for them
The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself that our administration instills in all the people they want to vote for them
The only thing we have to fear is the fear itself that our administration instills in all the people they want to vote for them
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:32 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating:
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not really. I agree with FDR. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
This is not a unique period in American history. Americans are acting as they always do when confronted by a threat.
Robert
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:32 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating:
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not really. I agree with FDR. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
This is not a unique period in American history. Americans are acting as they always do when confronted by a threat.
Robert
The Iraqis want us out. If voting is one way to do it, they will vote. The rest of the world hates us, not only the Iraqis, and I predict those accused of killing Americans will be given Amnesty, eventually - it may take some time.
Fear is what allowed Bush to invade Iraq, and there is good reason to fear such fear, like the saying goes, it is the only thing to fear./
Americans are acting as they always do when confronted by a threat.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:34 PM
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What's that? Shoot first, ask questions and analyze the situation after the war? Not very cost efficient, to say the least.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:34 PM
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What's that? Shoot first, ask questions and analyze the situation after the war? Not very cost efficient, to say the least.
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:35 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
The Iraqis want us out. If voting is one way to do it, they will vote. ...
they are not voting for us to leave. They are voting for their own future. You have been reading to much of truthout...the Iraqis want us to "devolve" into a garrison force. They do not accept your theories of "let them solve it themselves". Nor do the American people.
"The rest of the world hates us, not only the Iraqis, and I predict those accused of killing Americans will be given Amnesty, eventually - it may take some time."
you have been reading to many of the lefty polls and thinking that they are "the rest of the world". And why do you care so much about the rest of the world? I dont, most Americans dont.
Enjoy the 4th Fred. The people who bring you your freedom hope you do!
Robert
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The Iraqis want us out. If voting is one way to do it, they will vote. ...
they are not voting for us to leave. They are voting for their own future. You have been reading to much of truthout...the Iraqis want us to "devolve" into a garrison force. They do not accept your theories of "let them solve it themselves". Nor do the American people.
"The rest of the world hates us, not only the Iraqis, and I predict those accused of killing Americans will be given Amnesty, eventually - it may take some time."
you have been reading to many of the lefty polls and thinking that they are "the rest of the world". And why do you care so much about the rest of the world? I dont, most Americans dont.
Enjoy the 4th Fred. The people who bring you your freedom hope you do!
Robert
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What's that? .
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:39 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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what has been going on the last bit since 9/11/2001.
It is almost template with what went on after Pearl Harbor. Remember it was FDR who rounded up the Japanese.
I really dont think Fear drove Bush into Iraq. He has a world plan...an entertaining one to be sure.
Robert
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:39 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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what has been going on the last bit since 9/11/2001.
It is almost template with what went on after Pearl Harbor. Remember it was FDR who rounded up the Japanese.
I really dont think Fear drove Bush into Iraq. He has a world plan...an entertaining one to be sure.
Robert
Big Surprise!
So Green is being held for rape and murder. How could that happen? Well, you have an administration who lied us into a war, who began spying on Americans 9 months before 9/11, who supported extraordinary rendition, authorized torture, refused to follow the laws that Congress passed by issuing dissenting signing statements, who rewarded corporations like Halliburton with contracts, who exonerated them for malfeasance and overcharging, who established a network of lobbyists, corporations, military contractors, and right wing evangelists and funneled money and influence. Big surprise that someone unfit for the military goes haywire. Why we have a whole administration and a weak populace that not only allows it, but condones it, approves it, and shouts war slogans. How low can we go!
So Green is being held for rape and murder. How could that happen? Well, you have an administration who lied us into a war, who began spying on Americans 9 months before 9/11, who supported extraordinary rendition, authorized torture, refused to follow the laws that Congress passed by issuing dissenting signing statements, who rewarded corporations like Halliburton with contracts, who exonerated them for malfeasance and overcharging, who established a network of lobbyists, corporations, military contractors, and right wing evangelists and funneled money and influence. Big surprise that someone unfit for the military goes haywire. Why we have a whole administration and a weak populace that not only allows it, but condones it, approves it, and shouts war slogans. How low can we go!
I really dont think Fear drove Bush into Iraq. He has a world plan...an entertaining one to be sure.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:41 PM
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Bush screwed up right from the beginning, flexing muscles and giving the Afghans a warning. The most powerful military tactic is the element of surprize. Iraq seemed like a good idea at first, but it did not have to be a war. Now we learn that was the objective from the beginning.
A million in rice and vitamins and vaccines goes a long way when people have nothing. don't underestimate the power of moral authority. Rome fell for lack of it. With a world that loved us, no community would give terrorism refuge. With the cowboy in power, terrorism has a home wherever it goes.
Right after 9/11 the world was our friend. There were street demostrations in Iran supporting us. Bush squandered that goodwill and turned it into contempt for us.
FRed
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 06:41 PM
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Bush screwed up right from the beginning, flexing muscles and giving the Afghans a warning. The most powerful military tactic is the element of surprize. Iraq seemed like a good idea at first, but it did not have to be a war. Now we learn that was the objective from the beginning.
A million in rice and vitamins and vaccines goes a long way when people have nothing. don't underestimate the power of moral authority. Rome fell for lack of it. With a world that loved us, no community would give terrorism refuge. With the cowboy in power, terrorism has a home wherever it goes.
Right after 9/11 the world was our friend. There were street demostrations in Iran supporting us. Bush squandered that goodwill and turned it into contempt for us.
FRed
uses depleted uranium and ignores the catastrophic results!
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:15 PM
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Another parallel with Viet Nam and Agent Orange. The military will deny it for a century.
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:15 PM
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Another parallel with Viet Nam and Agent Orange. The military will deny it for a century.
Right after 9/11 the world was our friend. There were street demostrations in Iran supporting us. Bush squandered that goodwill and turned it into contempt for us.
FRed
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:20 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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sorry Fred...they were cheering the towers coming down on 9/11 in the mideast.
"A million in rice and vitamins and vaccines goes a long way when people have nothing."
and you think that the Taliban was going to let that go on in Afland...?
But Fred I have figured it out. YOu are interjecting what your cultural solutions on a culture of which you apparantly know nothing about.
Robert
FRed
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:20 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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sorry Fred...they were cheering the towers coming down on 9/11 in the mideast.
"A million in rice and vitamins and vaccines goes a long way when people have nothing."
and you think that the Taliban was going to let that go on in Afland...?
But Fred I have figured it out. YOu are interjecting what your cultural solutions on a culture of which you apparantly know nothing about.
Robert
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:14 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ...
so the bad individual (claimed anyway) has no responsibility for what he did? It is someone elses fault and you blame it on Bush...?
Robert
so the bad individual (claimed anyway) has no responsibility for what he did? It is someone elses fault and you blame it on Bush...?
Robert
I agree, Fred.
It's heartbreaking what we're doing and what we're leaving our grandchildren. We had the whole world with us, and this idiot, this aggressive, vicious, lying, shallow, ugly, phony cowboy and cadre that runs him has made us the object of hatred. When I taught in China, people spoke of their admiration for this country, for what it stood for, for the hope it brought the world. No more!!
But worst of all is the compliance, the complicity, the ignorance, the ideology of a people who had it all, who could have been the model for the world. Yes, it's heartbreaking. I want this country back for its goodness, for its fairness, for its courage to stand up for all people, for its honesty, for ability to admit mistakes and make restitution, and I want all those war mongering, slogan spouting idiots to be laughed at and ridiculed and marginalized and given the chance to learn something or simply choose to be idiots but know that most will not follow them, agree with them, nor allow them to continue to do what they do.
Whew! My fingers are out of breath.
It's heartbreaking what we're doing and what we're leaving our grandchildren. We had the whole world with us, and this idiot, this aggressive, vicious, lying, shallow, ugly, phony cowboy and cadre that runs him has made us the object of hatred. When I taught in China, people spoke of their admiration for this country, for what it stood for, for the hope it brought the world. No more!!
But worst of all is the compliance, the complicity, the ignorance, the ideology of a people who had it all, who could have been the model for the world. Yes, it's heartbreaking. I want this country back for its goodness, for its fairness, for its courage to stand up for all people, for its honesty, for ability to admit mistakes and make restitution, and I want all those war mongering, slogan spouting idiots to be laughed at and ridiculed and marginalized and given the chance to learn something or simply choose to be idiots but know that most will not follow them, agree with them, nor allow them to continue to do what they do.
Whew! My fingers are out of breath.
So Green is being held for rape and murder. How could that happen?
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:14 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Evidence is presented to competent judicial authority and then a warrant is issued.
That help
Robert
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:14 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
Evidence is presented to competent judicial authority and then a warrant is issued.
That help
Robert
We had the whole world with us,
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:00 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
they were cheering the towers coming down in the Mideast.
Watch more media.
Robert
by Pat in Colorado on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:00 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
they were cheering the towers coming down in the Mideast.
Watch more media.
Robert
But Fred I have figured it out. YOu are interjecting what your cultural solutions on a culture of which you apparantly know nothing about.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:55 PM
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You got it wrong. I was talking about the whole Islamic [and non-Islamic] world, not the Taliban. That was something else. We needed something like the Marshall plan for developing countries and poor Islamic countries. What Bush did was a step backwards. More like how we ended WWI, which left the German people bitter and contemptuous. And who knows, we may have to look forward to a "Third Reich" kind of thing with Islam now, thanks to Bush.
Fred
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:55 PM
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You got it wrong. I was talking about the whole Islamic [and non-Islamic] world, not the Taliban. That was something else. We needed something like the Marshall plan for developing countries and poor Islamic countries. What Bush did was a step backwards. More like how we ended WWI, which left the German people bitter and contemptuous. And who knows, we may have to look forward to a "Third Reich" kind of thing with Islam now, thanks to Bush.
Fred
You got it wrong. I was talking about the whole Islamic [and non-Islamic] world, not the Taliban.
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:11 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -..
as I said Fred you are imposing your cultural values and solutions on a culture you know nothing about.
A Marshall plan is not what is needed in the mideast...there is plenty of money for that internally.
Robert
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:11 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -..
as I said Fred you are imposing your cultural values and solutions on a culture you know nothing about.
A Marshall plan is not what is needed in the mideast...there is plenty of money for that internally.
Robert
The Meiji revolution and the aggression of the Japanese Imperial Army was also a reaction to Japan watching the Chinese being exploited by the West and Russia's land grabs, not to mention famous Perry's shot across the bow in 1854. For every action there is a reaction. People are like us, they don't like to take crap, and they'll get back, even if it takes a century. And with Japan, that's exactly the time it took.
Fred
Fred
gotta eat supper now - may not do another post for a while
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 07:20 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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Fred you have good hearted solutions. The problem is that you start with a couple of flawed assumptions.
The first is that all actors are reasonable...most of the bad guys in the mideast are not.
The second is that you know very little about the mideast culture and I suspect almost nothing about the internal political dynamics at work. This you share with the Bush administration. They are learning the hard way.
one never really gets a grasp of the situation in the mideast unless you have actually spent boots on the ground time.
Ivan was a reasonable actor. He wasnt going to (unless someone went nuts) wrap the whole world up in a ball to satisfy themselves or their desires. The bad guys in the mideast are not reasonable by any standard.
That ends most of your solutions.
Robert
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Fred you have good hearted solutions. The problem is that you start with a couple of flawed assumptions.
The first is that all actors are reasonable...most of the bad guys in the mideast are not.
The second is that you know very little about the mideast culture and I suspect almost nothing about the internal political dynamics at work. This you share with the Bush administration. They are learning the hard way.
one never really gets a grasp of the situation in the mideast unless you have actually spent boots on the ground time.
Ivan was a reasonable actor. He wasnt going to (unless someone went nuts) wrap the whole world up in a ball to satisfy themselves or their desires. The bad guys in the mideast are not reasonable by any standard.
That ends most of your solutions.
Robert
Free World on Alert: North Korea test-fires missiles
WAWS - 3 minutes ago
About an hour before NASA successfully launched the space shuttle Discovery in an historic Independence Day event, North Korea apparently test fired a Taepodong ...
Missile tests destabilising: Downer
Sunday Times.au, Australia - 4 minutes ago
NORTH Korea's tests of up to six missiles today had further destabilised the political situation in north Asia, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said today. ...
Japanese Stocks Declines After North Korea Test-Fires Missiles
Bloomberg - 5 minutes ago
July 5 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese stocks fell for the first day in five after North Korea launched as many as five missiles over the Sea of Japan, raising concern ...
Gold in Asia Rises After North Korea Fires Missiles Into Sea
Bloomberg - 8 minutes ago
July 5 (Bloomberg) -- Gold rose in Asia after North Korea fired missiles over the Sea of Japan today, prompting some investors to buy bullion as a safe haven. ...
WAWS - 3 minutes ago
About an hour before NASA successfully launched the space shuttle Discovery in an historic Independence Day event, North Korea apparently test fired a Taepodong ...
Missile tests destabilising: Downer
Sunday Times.au, Australia - 4 minutes ago
NORTH Korea's tests of up to six missiles today had further destabilised the political situation in north Asia, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said today. ...
Japanese Stocks Declines After North Korea Test-Fires Missiles
Bloomberg - 5 minutes ago
July 5 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese stocks fell for the first day in five after North Korea launched as many as five missiles over the Sea of Japan, raising concern ...
Gold in Asia Rises After North Korea Fires Missiles Into Sea
Bloomberg - 8 minutes ago
July 5 (Bloomberg) -- Gold rose in Asia after North Korea fired missiles over the Sea of Japan today, prompting some investors to buy bullion as a safe haven. ...
Pat in Drake
Good posts!
I guess our troll now calls himself Rocky Jones.
Fred, hang in but please don't engage. Tempers are flaring everywhere right now; Mexico, NK, here, I/P....
I truly hope we can get thru this w/o a major world catastrophe.
Bolton, Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rummy. How safe I feel.
Putzes, all of them!
Good posts!
I guess our troll now calls himself Rocky Jones.
Fred, hang in but please don't engage. Tempers are flaring everywhere right now; Mexico, NK, here, I/P....
I truly hope we can get thru this w/o a major world catastrophe.
Bolton, Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rummy. How safe I feel.
Putzes, all of them!
A Marshall plan is not what is needed in the mideast...there is plenty of money for that internally.
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:13 PM
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The culture has nothing to do with it. it is human nature and commone sense
Robert
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:13 PM
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The culture has nothing to do with it. it is human nature and commone sense
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The culture has nothing to do with it. it is human nature and commone sense
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:21 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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culture has everything to do with it. The "keen minds of the south" thought blacks were cattle (or something around that line). Human nature and common sense were what the "keen minds" of the south thought that they were doing.
Figure that one out.
Robert
The culture has nothing to do with it. it is human nature and commone sense
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:21 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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culture has everything to do with it. The "keen minds of the south" thought blacks were cattle (or something around that line). Human nature and common sense were what the "keen minds" of the south thought that they were doing.
Figure that one out.
Robert
Ramadi
from the Raw Story
American commanders' new plan for Ramadi: 'Get rid of it'
RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday July 4, 2006
American commanders have a new plan for Ramadi, the "epicenter of the Iraqi insurgency and the focus of a grinding struggle between American forces and the guerrillas," according to an article slated for the front page of Thursday's New York Times: "Get rid of it."
"In three years, the Marines and the army have tried nearly everything to bring this provincial capital of 400,000 under control," writes Dexter Filkins. "Nothing has worked."
"Now, American commanders are trying something totally new," the article continues. "They are going to get rid of it, planning to bulldoze about three blocks in the middle of the city and convert them into a "Green Zone," a version of the fortified and largely stable area that houses the Iraqi and American leadership in Baghdad."
Excerpts from the Times article:
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The Government Center in the middle of this devastated town resembles a fortress on the wild edge of some frontier: It's sandbagged, barricaded, full of men ready to shoot, surrounded by rubble and enemies eager to get inside.
The American Marines here live eight to a room, rarely shower for lack of running water and defecate in bags that are taken outside and burned. The threat of snipers is ever-present; daytime temperatures hover around 120 degrees. The food is tasteless; the windows boarded up. The place reeks of urine. The casualties are heavy, too.
So it goes in this epicenter of the Iraqi insurgency and the focus of a grinding struggle between American forces and the guerrillas.
from the Raw Story
American commanders' new plan for Ramadi: 'Get rid of it'
RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday July 4, 2006
American commanders have a new plan for Ramadi, the "epicenter of the Iraqi insurgency and the focus of a grinding struggle between American forces and the guerrillas," according to an article slated for the front page of Thursday's New York Times: "Get rid of it."
"In three years, the Marines and the army have tried nearly everything to bring this provincial capital of 400,000 under control," writes Dexter Filkins. "Nothing has worked."
"Now, American commanders are trying something totally new," the article continues. "They are going to get rid of it, planning to bulldoze about three blocks in the middle of the city and convert them into a "Green Zone," a version of the fortified and largely stable area that houses the Iraqi and American leadership in Baghdad."
Excerpts from the Times article:
#
The Government Center in the middle of this devastated town resembles a fortress on the wild edge of some frontier: It's sandbagged, barricaded, full of men ready to shoot, surrounded by rubble and enemies eager to get inside.
The American Marines here live eight to a room, rarely shower for lack of running water and defecate in bags that are taken outside and burned. The threat of snipers is ever-present; daytime temperatures hover around 120 degrees. The food is tasteless; the windows boarded up. The place reeks of urine. The casualties are heavy, too.
So it goes in this epicenter of the Iraqi insurgency and the focus of a grinding struggle between American forces and the guerrillas.
by puddle*in*WV on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:20 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
The North Korean leadership....more reasonable people there!
Robert
The North Korean leadership....more reasonable people there!
Robert
Iran, Iraq, NK
How interesting that PutzCo goes after countries that have no capacity to fire ICBM's while ignoring the country that not only can, but will.
How interesting that PutzCo goes after countries that have no capacity to fire ICBM's while ignoring the country that not only can, but will.
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:27 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ,,,
its a "putz"...lol
Robert
its a "putz"...lol
Robert
Please Fred
Take a break!
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:27 PM
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I will. Robert seems to misinterpret everything I say or put it in a different context. I don't know if it is deliberate to find a gotcha, somehow, or if his brain is just different than mine
Take a break!
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:27 PM
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I will. Robert seems to misinterpret everything I say or put it in a different context. I don't know if it is deliberate to find a gotcha, somehow, or if his brain is just different than mine
seashell, I'm just fine. Chilling out, getting ready to get back to Greensboro, tonight or tomorrow (haven't decided yet: keep lookin' at the weather map, lol!)
by FRED CARUSO on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:36 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - ..
hard to misinterpret that we need a Marshall plan for the mideast...its the wrong solution.
It shows a lack of knowledge of the culture...which is overriding.
Robert
hard to misinterpret that we need a Marshall plan for the mideast...its the wrong solution.
It shows a lack of knowledge of the culture...which is overriding.
Robert
could be our worst nightmare in the not too distant future.
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:30 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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dont worry the reasonable mind will win out!
lol
Robert
by seashell on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:30 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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dont worry the reasonable mind will win out!
lol
Robert
Scrolling
is much more effective than rating!!!!
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LOL! I don't know about that: put it on 0 and see how purty the thread looks. . . .
is much more effective than rating!!!!
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LOL! I don't know about that: put it on 0 and see how purty the thread looks. . . .
LOL! I don't know about that: put it on 0 and see how purty the thread looks. . . .
by puddle*in*WV on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:42 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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good thing for you to do PUddle. YOu need to do this.
Robert
by puddle*in*WV on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:42 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
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good thing for you to do PUddle. YOu need to do this.
Robert
I don't see any particular reason to give myself carpel tunnel on behalf of "open mindedness" ~~ lol!!
"A Marshall plan is not what is needed in the mideast...there is plenty of money for that internally."
~so, what Rocky is saying is that the people of the 'mideast' are all bad and the only way to deal with bad people is to eliminate them? By killing them?
How come Robert the rocket is now Rocky? Did HQ ban him and he signed on with a new ID?
~so, what Rocky is saying is that the people of the 'mideast' are all bad and the only way to deal with bad people is to eliminate them? By killing them?
How come Robert the rocket is now Rocky? Did HQ ban him and he signed on with a new ID?
A good leader
Hi, just about to go watch China Beach, my favorite program, though also love "F***ing Deadwood". The language on Deadwood is wonderful, Shakespearean. It's a great program.
My husband said, "A good leader brings out the best in people." Bush and company bring out our worst. They make us afraid, angry, impotent, distrustful. They polarize us, criticize us, accuse us, suppress thought and critical thinking.
So, it goes.
Hi Seashell, I'm thinking of you. You also, Fred. Go well.
Hi, just about to go watch China Beach, my favorite program, though also love "F***ing Deadwood". The language on Deadwood is wonderful, Shakespearean. It's a great program.
My husband said, "A good leader brings out the best in people." Bush and company bring out our worst. They make us afraid, angry, impotent, distrustful. They polarize us, criticize us, accuse us, suppress thought and critical thinking.
So, it goes.
Hi Seashell, I'm thinking of you. You also, Fred. Go well.
"good thing for you to do PUddle. YOu need to do this."
Mr. Jones seems to be in a nasty mood tonight. What else is new?
Mr. Jones seems to be in a nasty mood tonight. What else is new?
~so, what Rocky is saying is that the people of the 'mideast' are all bad and the only way to deal with bad people is to eliminate them? By killing them?..
no I am not saying that.
"How come Robert the rocket is now Rocky? Did HQ ban him and he signed on with a new ID?
by sunlight * on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:50 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - "
sorry no.
Robert
no I am not saying that.
"How come Robert the rocket is now Rocky? Did HQ ban him and he signed on with a new ID?
by sunlight * on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:50 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: - "
sorry no.
Robert
by sunlight * on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:54 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
Shouldn't that be "Captain" Jones? :-)
Shouldn't that be "Captain" Jones? :-)
Pat ~~
I agree! Deadwood is *wonderful* ~~ Edwin had just about got me caught up on the old episodes, when we left NYC (and good cable) in mid-May. Gonna be fun to get back in August and get caught up. (Sopranos, too!)
I agree! Deadwood is *wonderful* ~~ Edwin had just about got me caught up on the old episodes, when we left NYC (and good cable) in mid-May. Gonna be fun to get back in August and get caught up. (Sopranos, too!)
Sunlight ~~
He also stripped everything serious out of his profile.
Guess one too many people made fun of his "horsebreeding" aspirations, lol!
He also stripped everything serious out of his profile.
Guess one too many people made fun of his "horsebreeding" aspirations, lol!
I've been watching Deadwood, too. I didn't think it would be something I would like, and mostly just watched it 'cause my Dad had it on. I'm getting hooked though.
But it also makes sense for him to become a sci-fi series character, since that, evidently, is where he forms his political idears.
puddle,
I guess when people first sign up here, they enthusiastically fill in the blanks. Later, when they realize it's all out there for everyone to see, reality sinks in... LOL
I guess when people first sign up here, they enthusiastically fill in the blanks. Later, when they realize it's all out there for everyone to see, reality sinks in... LOL
"He also stripped everything serious out of his profile."
Well, I doubt that he stripped anything. Slowly but surely the true colors are showing up.~
Well, I doubt that he stripped anything. Slowly but surely the true colors are showing up.~
sunlight,
You're more than welcome! I'm a beta tester / hacker at heart, so I usually take apart the new stuff and see what makes it tick.
You're more than welcome! I'm a beta tester / hacker at heart, so I usually take apart the new stuff and see what makes it tick.
by Rocky Jones on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 08:57 PM
Do you care to tell us your "yes"? Or do you need to keep that to yourself so you can keep feeling superior?
Do you care to tell us your "yes"? Or do you need to keep that to yourself so you can keep feeling superior?
My Deaniac sister is coming to visit tomorrow. So the politics in the household will be a little more balanced for a few days. :-)
Strange little bloggy thing
Puddle, you are correct. Set the rating preference to zero, and this blog shows real promise.
Pat in CO, Deadwood's use of proper f...ing English and pioneer community make it a breath of fresh f...ing air. Storytelling at its best.
Puddle, you are correct. Set the rating preference to zero, and this blog shows real promise.
Pat in CO, Deadwood's use of proper f...ing English and pioneer community make it a breath of fresh f...ing air. Storytelling at its best.
by Steven Hollister on Tuesday, 07/04/06 @ 09:29 PM | Rate this | Avg Rating: -
LOL - f...ing fabulous!
LOL - f...ing fabulous!
Steve! Where in the world was that picture taken? It's gorgeous!! (Ya'll, too, you understand)
I think I'm going to take the buddy system here, an run with it. Seems like it could be useful at some point.
Puddle, The picture wastaken on the Continental Divide at Cottonwood pass East of Tincup, Colorado.
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