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Less than three days until elections (and one year until Election Day 2008)! What are you and DFA members in your area doing to take back our country? Are you canvassing for a DFA-List candidate? Organizing a SiCKO health care party to draw attention to a national issue? Working to promote a progressive issue in your community? Write up a blog post and let the DFA community know. We'll feature the best election success stories on Blog for America over the next week.
Video interview from Tampa's Channel 10 with the parents of Martin Lee Anderson. His mother says the guard and lawyers were laughing and joking throughout the trial.
And the Palm Beach Post pointed the finger at Bay County for acting like they lived in the 60s.
Do we want to take our country back? Do we want to start a new chapter in our country and planet's history? Do we want to change politics and solve the crisis' we are facing?
In Rolling Stone's November issue, an interview conducted at Al Gore's
Nashville home, shortly after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.
Some questions and his answers.
"I think its conceivable that a President of the United States could redesign every challenge as something that needs to be seen through the prism of solving the climate crisis, and in that way, rally the nation and the world to rise to solve this existential crisis. But I don't think our country or the world are at that point right now. Some countries are farther along than we are, and I think we'll get there, but we're not there yet."
Q: You don't think that if you stepped into it and crusaded on the subject, that it would be enough to elect you?
Answer: "Well, I don't even get to the point where I analyze the political instrumentality of it."
Q: That being your passion, that being what you want to accomplish, that moment is not at hand?
Answer: "That's different from what I said. I just don't think I can say that's the best of use of the talents I have right now.
If he entered the race, the campaign would distract him away from his climate change mission. Gore's answer:
"...I've lived long enough to know that I wouldn't be distracted. I would do this regardless. But my job is to create the condition to make that a strategy that succeeds. And I don't think we're at that point yet."
Join the movement.
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Office of the Former Vice President
The Honorable Al Gore
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"The current Presidential candidates call me from time to time. 'Al, do you have any advice on how I could tweak my position on the climate crisis?' I always respond. 'Look, we're way beyond tweaking - we have to have fundamental change. We ought to eliminate the payroll tax and replace it with a C02 tax. We ought to have a complete ban on any new coal fired generating plants. We ought to have a full investment tax credit for all advanced solar thermal power plants, which could supply most of the electricity this country needs. We ought to change the utility laws so that every person and business in the United States can install photovoltaic panels and small windmills and sell unused limited quantities of electricity into the grid."
Q: And you don't think its doable really? Answer: "The only way it will become doable is if I and others continue to plow and plant and cultivate the political environment to where it becomes possible. if that means that I see it over the horizon and somebody else gets there and I don't, then I would still feel, under those circumstances, that I had lived a useful life. Do I rule out the possibility that a set of conditions emerges before I'm too old to still be a leader capable of making hourly decisions in a crisp and effective way? No, I don't think it's impossible. Look, am content that I am doing what I ought to be doing. In terms of my career path, I'm doing what feels like the right thing to do right now."
A second common critique of a potential Gore run is that he will not enter because he fears losing, and would not be able to handle defeat again.
"No. Look, the fear of defeat holds no terror for me whatsoever."
"The burden of staying in Holiday Inns and traveling all the time and making speeches all the time is not something that is a factor"
"Well, thank you for feeling that way about me. Please trust me to make good decisions about where I can do the most good, and don't automatically assume that running for President again is the right thing for me to do. If you feel that way and I decide for sure not to be a candidate again - well, sorry. If I do get back involved in the political system at some point in the future - well, keep that energy stored up and let's have a go at it then."
"I would try to use the internet to mobilize millions of people at the grassroots level, and I think that's coming. As i said earlier, we have the wind at our backs. This is going to be the American century, we're going to come back strong."
Last question. How this time will be remembered 40 years from now, and Gore's answer shows his optimism and prediction of success in solving the climate crisis. Gore predicts the question 40 years from now will be:
"How did they find the moral courage to change the pattern of history, to break through to a new way of thinking about the place of human beings on this planet, and successfully solve a crisis on a planetary scale that so many people were telling them was impossible to solve? How did they break free of the political sclerosis and spiritual catatonia that paralyzed them for decades and quickly realize that the survival of human civilization was at stake? How did they then, with great imagination, creativity, and spiritual courage, put in place sweeping reforms that saved the ecological basis for human civilization, restored the balance essential for human survival and lay the foundation for the rewarding and beautiful civilization that we enjoy here in the future."
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sorry folks,. this RICH doesn't work well on my system...and mcrsft just added that garbage that wasn't on the original.
Impeach Dick Cheney first .
firedoglake.com
We've taken in over $70,000 dollars for Donna Edwards over the past 48 hour as a counter-fundraiser to Nancy Pelosi’s support for the regressive, entrenched Al Wynn. If anyone needs more convincing, please watch the above video as Donna eloquently decimates Al Wynn over Iraq, the repeal of the estate tax, bankruptcy, Schaivo, protecting oil and gas companies and other regressive votes that have supported George Bush and kept ordinary Americans from getting health care.
It’s just been announced that Emily’s List is stepping up to the plate, both in supporting Donna and challenging Pelosi and the inside-the-beltway establishment.
3.
We ought to eliminate the payroll tax and replace it with a C02 tax.
What in the world is Al talking about!!
Payroll taxes pay for SS and Medicare.
Republicans would claim this to mean no withholding income taxes at all.
hi all we doing good in ct had a big thng ned lemont last night we have alot locals i wish my senator dodd could help he is not dfa is doing good i be out tonight till tomrrow coe for ahour then go back out to wed how all the states doing i think we need primary our dems and run 3rd party canditeds i think i no for sure yet our progissves have been bad not all off them but alot
42.
Monica Smith
Sun, 11/04/07
9:18 am
...There are no classes in America. There are some people who think they are better than everyone else, but it's my considered opinion that they are suffering from an inferiority complex which prompts them to behave obnoxiously.
Sad.
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Monica, your “discovery” about “non-class” American (or yet ANY OTHER!) society should be nominated for a Nobel Prize for economy science, (in my non-considered opinion...lol).
For less than 5 years of one only Iraq war, on both sides, there are tens of thousands dead, hundreds of thousands maimed forever, millions displaced...and all of these ONLY because “some people think they are better than everyone else”?
Monica,
- to turn one whole region around from implicit into explicit human life’s-grinder;
- to throw billions into this "grinder" while keeping and expanding another "OWN region" to the one rejecting BASIC NEEDS (such as health care, for example) for MILLIONS of it's own children DOES NOT qualify as behaving “obnoxiously”!
It is also TO DIMINISH to say that it’s happening just because “someone...are suffering an inferiority complex”.
Tens of millions of “having no power” are suffering BECAUSE of other thousands “having power” MAKE THEM TO SUFFER and NOT because of their “inferiority complex” but because of their CONSCIOUSLY PURSUED INTERESTS, ECONOMICAL ONES first and foremost!
To discover that in someone’s (especially economist’s) view it is not about classes is..indeed...SAD.
bbl.
former
the question is "Why do groups already with enough money beyond all personal need, pursue the destructive policies you describe?", and here we get to Monica's analysis.
Why do certain economic forces start wars and kill tens of thousands?
to maintain our "way of life"?
or to preserve a system of expoitation?
John Edwards who was GREAT on This Week, this morning, he also was in New Orleans.
Edwards Gives Keynote Address At "Step It Up" Climate Action Rally In New Orleans...
"Our generation must be the one that commits to halting global warming." said Edwards. "If we don't act now, it will be too late. Our generation must be the one that says 'yes' to renewable fuels and ends forever our dependence on foreign oil. Our generation must be the one that accepts responsibility for conserving natural resources and demands the tools to do it. And our generation must be the one that builds the New Energy Economy. It won't be easy, but it is time to ask the American people to be patriotic about something other than war."
http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20071103-step-it-up/
Hopefully, if Gore doesn't run, he'll endorse Edwards.
Steve,
Edwards has a lot more time than the other candidates to spend campaigning and doing all the extra things he does so well. The others could be using volunteers and paid advisers to do the same but they seem to avoid addressing the finer points that Edwards jumps right on top of.
I'm comfortable with my choice of Edwards if Gore doesn't run, and those that have read my postings and heard Edwards on This Week will know why.
My kind of Democrat in recognizing we have to change the way Washington operates, and that a status quo candidate might lose.
I agree Indy, Edwards couldn't have been more clear.(painting a target on his back)
a very difficult road
the right one
Phil Specht
Sun, 11/04/07
2:00 pm
The most important thing Edwards said, and the one that threatens the powers that be, is that we will not get progressive change until we address the corruption in DC. No amount of planning, coalition of experts and/or global crisis will bring about change until we rout out those who are lobbying and buying their legislation.
Edwards put it on the line today. And they will be out to bring him down. However, I think the press is starting to see this as eventually being a two-way race between Clinton, the consummate DC insider, and Edwards, the outsider challenger.
His trial lawyer experience will fare will in this challenge.
His trial lawyer experience will fare WELL in this challenge.
I don't mean to say Obama, or the others, are out of it. Iowa will ultimately start to discern who will take on Clinton in the later primaries.
My stake is with Edwards and I think he is hitting his stride this week. Tough, clear and forceful.
He has not alienated Obama which could set up an Edwards / Obama ticket. I could get behind that one easily.
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Phil Specht
Sun, 11/04/07
1:53 pm
the question is "Why do groups already with enough money beyond all personal need, pursue the destructive policies you describe?", and here we get to Monica's analysis.
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Why do certain economic forces start wars and kill tens of thousands?
to maintain our "way of life"?
or to preserve a system of expoitation?
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Monica's analysis as I see it, IS about personality (or group of personalities) with their psycho-physiological/psychiatric problems.
My stance, IT IS NOT, it is NOT about someone’s' medical conditions!
It is about their INTERESTS, the class's interests, the economical ones (power, influence, money, etc.). There is no other property to define such a group other than OWNER of means of production and therefore IS among "deciders".
The answer on your last both questions is YES.
Also...not "OR" but it is the one and the same: it is our "way of life" - the "system of exploitation".
truly get to go, bbl.
If Obama is sincere in his message (which I believe)he is closer to Edwards than the rest and they could tag team to match up with the newly revealed Richardson - Clinton team.
second choices matter in Iowa's IRV system
I wonder how much DFA has collected for Donna Edwards?
Impeach Cheney
Support the Sicko parties, and the national single payer Hres. 676. co-sponsored by Conyers, but guess who's bill it is? KUCINICH
well, maybe that's not what you want. lol
Obama, Clinton, and Edwards can all go the whole way to the convention with a three way split.
Then who is the "team" becomes determinative.
Iowa looks like a three way tie still.
if richardson's a spoiler, and as it is rumored, bayh is hill's vp pick, what's in it for richardson?
To answer the blog question, as a DFA'er, one who understands that it's DEMOCRACY for America, not Democratic Party for America, i'm working and have been working hard as a Green who was initially inspired by Dean, then Kucinich then left the Democratic Party for a party that represents my values and the grassroots democracy that Dean and DFA inspired/s
I'm Green Chair of Oklahomans for Ballot Access Reform and we're working hard on a drive to
open up the political process to third parties and independents here in the Banana Republic of Oklahoma.
Two Political Parties= One Monolithic Corporation
Be the Change!
My husband who remains Democratic Party is supporting progressive candidates like Andrew Rice who's running against Inhofe.
Life is good,
Peace and Joy in the Moment,
joni
Phil Specht
Sun, 11/04/07
2:30 pm
Three way split could happen, but the odds seem to be against it. If recent history if a guide, after Iowa and NH, it is VERY HARD for any but the top two to get traction. And Feb. 5 blows it all away.
If Edwards (or Obama) wins Iowa and places at least 2nd in NH, it is a two-way with Clinton toward Feb. 5. Clearly, Richardson was vying for VP in the last debate, and will throw his support to Clinton in Iowa if he doesn't get threshold.
Does that mean his supporters will move over to Clinton in Iowa? I don't know.
Hopefully, if Gore doesn't run, he'll endorse Edwards.
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That would be cool: Robert has *already* been banned from that blog, lol!
On Blog topic I'm actually helping a Green party candidate in a city Council race which is next Tuesday. She is running against someone who voted against a LGBT human rights ordinance and protects corporate tax breaks and needs the issues raised. She has gotten a lot press and we have walked the entire District with flyers. Truly grassroots.
DFA is defunct here since one of the main leaders took it over to support the Bluedog running for Congress, and a "rival" DFA group couldn't gain traction. Sigh.
I think the best way to give divergent views a voice is IRV ballots.
keep it up joni, I loved Fred Harris' politics, so your state does have a progressive tradiotion buried there somewhere
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If my memory (good but short) is working, Dean came in third in Iowa and second in NH.
Anything is possible. Obama has a good chance of winning SC no matter what.
I would be very happy with a Gore, Dodd, Obama or Edwards presidency, but little else. I still resent Edwards and Kerry both plargerizing Dean's policies in the primary.
Joan wrote: I still resent Edwards and Kerry both plargerizing Dean's policies in the primary.
In a way, that was a compliment, but I know what you mean. Now they are taking Edwards' statements and stands, so it has come full circle.
Edwards is striking the same theme as Dean.
Is he plagerizing or did he open his eyes?
I like what I hear, either way, those are the fights that must be won to take back our country
Joan* In*Florida
Sun, 11/04/07
2:53 pm
True about Dean taking 3rd in IA and 2nd in NH. But it was ALL downhill after that. Noone recovers after NH this year except the top two. If Clinton wins Iowa, it's all over. That's my feeling now.
If Clinton wins Iowa, it's all over
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There is actually over a month til Super Tuesday so plenty of time after Iowa, and I expect three different winners in the first states and a split on Feb 5th bringing the next round of states into play.
I can't see anyway that anyone "wins" Iowa unless things change.
whoever "wins" California has to be favored though
here's some polling state by state. click the d or r next to the state.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/
here's some interesting info on predictions (polling) versus actual votes for "top ticket" ballots in california 1948 to 2006.
http://www.field.com/fieldpoll/candidate...
if you like polling, here's a bunch, recent, and some are funny:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/older_co...
gravel has 1,000 votes now and is only 167 behind biden. edwards is gaining on obama.
why doesn't dennis have an active blog at his site? there's 2 link buttons, but the result is blank. there doesn't seem to be any other way for a person to make any kind of comment at his site???
from the previous thread
Re: writers strike
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seashell :-)
Sun, 11/04/07
11:25 am
Perhaps more folks will be moving to the internet for their entertainment and their news. And hopefully they will discover (in their motion) that the internet holds a lot more open and free interactive debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSkODvCd...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKtwPJx0p...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UqhcByR...
'Wood' factory comes to area
Corcoran plant will employ about 10 workers in the spring.
A Paso Robles company is launching a new factory in Corcoran that will produce an environmentally friendly wood alternative for decking and fencing.
LifeTime Pacific LLC will move into a 90,000-square-foot industrial building on Orange Avenue and expects to begin operation in spring 2008....
NishaVyas Mahler, a vice president at Century Products, said the company's products are used throughout the country by homeowners, builders, livestock owners and government.
...The University of California at Davis recently used 90,000 linear feet of LifeTime lumber in the construction of an addition to its Equestrian Center. And Ventura County officials used the product to rebuild fences destroyed by a fire in Tapo Canyon Park earlier this month.... full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/...
Attention: Governor Richardson or workers!!!
Please stop this insane attempt by Tecton to start OIL AND DRILLING
IN SANTA FE AND GALLISTEO!
How is this even possible? Not to even mention the residents and land destruction,
but what about the waste of water alone for this endeavor.
You should have not allowed this. STOP IT NOW!
National American Indian Heritage MonthNovember 2007
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/feature/indian/American Indian TV
http://www.americanindiantv.com/index.phpAmerican Indian TV Programminghttp://www.kqed.org/topics/history/heritage/amerindian/tv.jsp
http://www.kqed.org/topics/history/heritage/amerindian/amerindian-07.pdf
Sorry, here are the links.
National American Indian Heritage Month
November 2007
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/feature/in...
American Indian TV
http://www.americanindiantv.com/index.ph...
American Indian TV Programming http://www.kqed.org/topics/history/herit...
http://www.kqed.org/topics/history/herit...
21.
mprov
Sun, 11/04/07
2:30 pm
My hubby and I went to college with Evan Bayh.
Audrey, LOL, you don't like trying to read in to my spaces?
Thank you,
Here....out of "rich text"
Attention: Governor Richardson or workers!!!
Please stop this insane attempt by Tecton to start OIL AND Gas DRILLING IN SANTA FE AND GALLISTEO!
How is this even possible? Not to even mention the residents and land destruction, but what about the waste of water alone for this endeavor?
You should have not allowed this. STOP IT NOW!
Is Santa Fe’s culture and way of life for sale?
If Tecton Energy LLC secures Galisteo Basin oil drilling permits from our county commissioners not only will they
desecrate this pristine valley, they will use and abuse vast quantities of pure, drinking water—a resource more
valuable than the one they seek to exploit.
Santa Fe’s oil will not make the County rich. Oil lobbyists have been wooing our officials with visions of huge
revenues, while glossing over County costs.
If Tecton Energy destroyed the delicate Galisteo aquifer, where would the families of the Galisteo Basin get water?
The New Mexico State Oil & Gas Division has it’s hands tied by the state legislature which is largely financially
backed (controlled) by big oil and gas companies.
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Susan Rowe
Sun, 11/04/07
4:17 pm
Now if we can just get them to make paper from hemp!
Thanks Linda,
Same old story, guess it's "let them drink oil".
The Critters need to hear us. Vote for IMPEACHING CHENEY and no to tabling the resolution.
Have no doubts, they will be watching our reaction tomorrow and Tues.
um I am so tired. working on the john miller campaign in virginia. report back later.
go to www.johnmillerforsenate.com
and see.
setting up all the precincts. a lot of work. report back later.
The army wants 5 million more sq. mi. of land for military manuevers by 2011. That's roughly an area the size of NJ. colorado ranchers are upset. I'd like to know how the land will be used. Doesn't sound like a requirement for training to fight terrorists to me. Rawstory.
another linda b HOWARDLY effort
Reed
I owe you.
but after wins by the Hawkeyes, LSU Tigers, and Green Bay; the Colts loss isn't the end of the world.
since Russia made the pact with Iran the next practice needs to be the old duck and cover anyway audrey
gets those school kids under their desks (maybe create a new generation afraid enough to vote Republican?)
10:00 AM
Senator Edwards to hold deliver a major foreign policy speech
Iowa Memorial Union - Richie Ballroom
Corner of Jefferson and Madison Streets
Iowa City, Iowa
sorry, forgot, that's a photo my Cousin just sent me from the Boulder, CO area
Linda SF, that Rolling Stone article makes me think Al won't run. Do you have a different take on it?
Audrey, thanks for the raw story heads up. I'll go read right now.
This is disgraceful
U.S. Army: Five million acres needed for training facilities by 2011Adam Doster
Published: Saturday November 3, 2007
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As the U.S. military budget balloons, so does the Armed Services’ need to train its soldiers. In fact, some military planners foresee a need for 5 million more acres for training facilities by 2011.
In September, Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) told his fellow Congressmen that “the Army believes it has a current deficit of 2 million acres needed for training, a figure expected to grow by 2011 to 5 million acres.” Five million acres is comprable to 7,812 square miles -- an area about the size of New Jersey.
Now, Colorado is the site of a contested fight between the U.S. Army and longtime ranchers. The military wants to expand the Piñon Canyon Maneuver Site, a 1,000-square-mile facility near the New Mexico border, by 418,000 acres, thus tripling its size. This would require land owned by private ranchers.
The government is appealing to the patriotism of the community, but the landowners are skeptical of the appeals to national security. "It's rude. It ain't right. It's not American," said Stan White, a rancher who could lose more than 6,000 acres in Walsenburg. "We take our military and our country very seriously, but we're up against something we can't get ahold of. If they get this done, it's a national disgrace."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/U.S._Army_Five_million_acres_needed_1103.html
I hope this bears repeating.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced he would move to force a vote next week on his resolution calling for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney.
“The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said in a statement on his Web site. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power.
Kucinich said he plans to introduce a privileged resolution, which would have priority for a House floor vote, on Nov. 6. A vote on the measure would be required within two days.
Observers expect a motion to table Kucinich's resolution, which has 21 Democratic co-sponsors. It is almost certain that such a move to kill the resolution would be successful, but activists are urging members of Congress to support Kucinich's move.
"We need you to ask your representative to vote No on tabling, Yes on giving impeachment a chance," wrote David Swanson on the pro-impeachment Website AfterDowningStreet.org. "Those who vote Yes to table cannot use the excuse that 'We don't have the votes,' since others will at that same instant with exactly the same exertion be voting No. Please scroll down to contact Congress and the media right away!"
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_says_he_will_force_House_1102.html
With Kucinich, we have a least 2 cojones in Congress.
While the other candidates triangulate and bloviate, Dennnis is doing something worthwhile, even though Pelousy and co. will probably succeed in derailing his commendable effort.
seashell, oh, I definitely saw it differently, but I guess that's not a surprise. He continuously stated how he may still enter in the future, conditions and that Global Warming should be the utmost importance and that his mission of awareness has to peak and the Presidency should use Climate Crisis as the central point to work from. And that we need to reach that peak so Climate crisis could get the traction needed to take action as needed.
He wouldn't say no and asked to trust him to make good decisions and to save our energy for the time he may run.
Oh, and this was given a few weeks ago, so I am most hopeful as we are reaching that peak. imho.
Oh and sea, he has expressed enough times now how he has tried helping the candidates and they are not taking on the Climate Crisis as they should.....to be continued.
Feinstein--a traitor
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/229
So why is Dianne Feinstein going to vote for Mukasey as Attorney General after he gave responses on waterboarding, torture and unitary authority that were right out of the White House Q and A response book?
For Feinstein, perhaps it is that she is a disingenuous RepubliCrat. She has defected the Democrats on more key votes in the senate and the Judiciary Committee than you can shake a stick at. Most recently, she was the sole Democratic defection on Judiciary that allowed the nomination of the Neo-Confederate Leslie Southwick get to the floor for a positive vote. In short, another Bush Administration bigoted partisan judge will take a seat on the federal bench because of Feinstein.
Some argue that Feinstein (who at one time was the Mayor of San Francisco, and who – along with Pelosi – makes us think sometimes that the worst thing for progressive politics is a rich SF "liberal") is essentially trading her votes for contracts that her husband receives from the government. Some argue that she is just so wealthy, Washington establishment-like, and out of touch with her obligation to the Constitution, that she votes for people whom she feels are of the same "class" of D.C. insiders as she has become.
But what most disturbs us about the Feinstein pledge of support for Mukasey is a commentary she had published in the LA Times on November 3 providing the "rationale" for her vote. There’s only one big problem with Feinstein’s message to the voters; it’s specious at best.
Feinstein quotes Makasey to show how he is allegedly opposed to the Bush Administration using waterboarding:
Feinstein is essentially arguing that the role of the Attorney General is not to act like an Attorney General. She is helping Bush, Cheney and others receive a "get out of jail free card."
Oh and sea, he has expressed enough times now how he has tried helping the candidates and they are not taking on the Climate Crisis as they should
Gore has yet to articulate the kind of drastic measures that will be required to avert the calamity that is coming wrt climate.
The half-measures and the trading of pollution credits that he is advocating will not make a dent in the problem.
John, we had a friend over today that told us of an article in the SFO Journal I have to go look for....where Feinstein couldn't stop cooing over George Bush and talked of one her great 2 hours of discussion with this "intelligent man" on her plane ride to Cali with the fires. This was the capper to put any Dem who supported her in shock and that she sounded like a butt kissing NeoCon and HE'S A CONSERVATIVE!
bbl...going to look for it.
70. John,I disagree. He has shared many times key initiatives, policy, law changes...including ideas of loans for home constuction that will pay for Green Building. Have you read his recommendations and ideas...did you listen to his testimony to the Senate and House?
Even the article highlights above discusses some of it, without going in to complete policy for a Presidential Campaign-that is.
Linda SF, I wonder if Gore is thinking of a 2012 run. I trust him to do what's best for our planet and country but isn't that running for president? Now?
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Somewhere within the vertical configuration of Dante's nine circles of hell, there's a mezzanine level reserved for torture-adoring Republican pols to eternally consort with their simpatico brethren of Gestapo Funktionär, KGB apparatchiks and Pinochet's tenientes.
Now under construction, word from below has it, is an annex to that subterranean hellhole, just a bit to the left and a little lower, newly and exclusively reserved for Democratic collaborators.
And Baby Jesus just punched Charlie Schumer and Dianne Feinstein's tickets.
For what transparent farce can they successfully huckster to St. Peter? The one they'll peddle to the Earthly benighted two years or five from now, when yet more evidence of America betrayed comes in the ignominious form of a Torture-Revisited document dump? The farcical plea that goes, simply and sweetly: We didn't know?
article continues...The other thing bush can't do if he wants any legacy at all (right) is make sure there's no terrorist attack. Wouldn't that look sweet in the history books...2 terrorist attacks during his reign..and one of them actually was from outside. :-)
Oops, heres's the article
Why We Won't Bomb Iran by Dennis Jett | Nov 3 2007 - 9:30pm | permalinkarticle tools: email | print | read more Dennis Jett
Here's another of mine:
Miami Herald, November 2, 2007
Expect no World War III for now
By DENNIS JETT
Everybody relax. We are not going to bomb Iran.
The reason why we are not is obvious. But because it does not add more hype to an already overwrought story, it is ignored by the media. The reason is because in a president's first term in office, nothing is more important than reelection and, during his second term, nothing matters more than enhancing his place in history.
Despite any noble rhetoric about high-minded goals, those two motivations explain much about what Washington does as opposed to what it says.
article continues...
Well, he says he wants to run while he is young enough. So.... and 2012 means he would be expecting a Democrat not to win in 08....so lets hope not.
Well, he says he wants to run while he is young enough. So.... and 2012 means he would be expecting a Democrat not to win in 08....so lets hope not.
57.
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2007
10:00 AM
Senator Edwards to hold deliver a major foreign policy speech
Iowa Memorial Union - Richie Ballroom
Corner of Jefferson and Madison Streets
Iowa City, Iowa
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Thanks Phil.
I checked C-Span's schedule and don't see this there. It would be better for them to have these things now rather than some of these hearings most people aren't usually interested in.
I can't think of Molly w/o thinking of Barbaro.
Molly Ivins' Last Book (Just Released Posthumously) "Bill of Wrongs: The Executive Branch's Assault on America's Fundamental Rights" (Hardcover) By Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose
phil, thanks , but we need to turn va blue. but right now I am against some person from the campaign mirroring my work. geezus. so frustrating.
I am doing no more than anyone else but my hubby thinks I am crazy. yes I am . after all these years.
my daughter says when she gets married she wants me to look like I did in high school. I said I would find a pix of myself in h.s. and paste over my face at the wedding.
They certainly don't stay with him long, do they?
Cheney Lawyer Is Leaving November 01, 2007 05:36 PM ET | Permanent LinkThe office of Vice President Cheney is saying goodbye to a top-level official. Cheney's office confirmed late today to U.S. News that counsel Shannen Coffin is leaving government tomorrow and will head back into private practice at his former law firm Steptoe & Johnson.
A source says Coffin is expected to take a breather from the rapid pace of government service to spend time with his wife and two small children before returning to private practice after New Year's. (LOLOLOLOLOLOL)
(Trans: Cheney is an a$$*****)
Reached by phone at his office, Coffin declined comment and referred calls to the public relations office.
Coffin joined Cheney's staff in 2005 to fill the position once held by David Addington, who replaced Lewis "Scooter" Libby as chief of staff after his indictment. In that capacity, Coffin has served as the top legal adviser to the vice president.
The Cheney assignment was Coffin's second stint in the Bush administration. Until mid-2004, he served as deputy assistant attorney general in the civil division. It was there that Coffin first won favor with Cheney when he successfully defended the vice president from having to publicly release documents related to his energy task force.
Coffin also led the government's effort to bar frozen Iraqi assets from being used to pay an award to prisoners of war from the Gulf War. And he headed up the Justice Department's defense in cases challenging so-called partial-birth abortions.
—Emma Schwartz
Feinstein has been shooting her mouth off a lot this week. she said it would be a good thing if we put down piracy on the seas when we could. Now that was really getting out there.
She also said that she agreed with Bush about stopping $$$ to Pakistan.
The money to Pakistan is to help them fight terrorism, even if they weren't pocketing the money, I don't think they care if they don't have to fight terrorism.
Now, about Pelousy (that suits), she was just to Md. doing a fundraiser for her BushDem. She thinks "Me leader, you advocate". Firedog lake raised a bunch of money for Donna Edwards. I asked before, does anyone know how much we raised for her? We used to post that.
Thanks Seashell for the links. I wish I could do that.
hmmm, maybe someone who knows SFO papers can help. Can't find a SFO Journal. SFO Gate, of course, but I didn't find a story with Feinstein on Bush.
bbl
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews...
Putin says Russia threatened by "Unipolar World"
Sun Nov 4, 2007 3:19pm EST
MOSCOW (Reuters) - On a holiday created to unite his country, Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a veiled warning that foreigners were seeking to split up the vast country and plunder its resource wealth.
"Some people are constantly insisting on the necessity to divide up our country and are trying to spread this theory," Putin told military cadets during a speech in Moscow on Sunday, Russian news agencies reported.
"There are those who would like to build a unipolar world, who would themselves like to rule all of humanity," Putin said, a phrase he has used over the past seven years of his administration to mean the United States.
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"Some minor countries, under pressure from larger ones, are having a hard time figuring out how to defend their own interests. And Russia has played and will continue to play a positive, stabilizing role in the world," he said.
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"Some think we have too much resource wealth and should divide it," Putin told the cadets.
"They themselves have no wish to share their own riches, and we should take that into account."
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews...
linda. is this what you're looking for:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...
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Here you go Linda. It's SF Gate for the Chronicle. SFO is the airport.
Here is the article where Feinstein talks about Bush and the plane ride.
ttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/28/BAK8T1QU5.DTL&hw=feinstein+bush&sn=008&sc=212
LOL mprov :)
The Google kids would be proud of us!
But my typing teacher wouldn't have been - or my cut and past professor.
Dropped the crucial h there in "http"
Gore has yet to articulate the kind of drastic measures that will be required to avert the calamity that is coming wrt climate.
"Drastic measures" is a bit drastic, don't you think?
It's like calling the moon program "drastic," when it amounted to setting a goal and then achieving it.
But of course, I forget that there are a few cranks who insist we need to rebuild cities and force people to walk everyplace -- which would be drastic and assure the CO2 problem would never even be addressed, much less ameliorated or solved.
Linda...
Gore better do it now. If he's waiting for '12, tell him to forget it, That time is reserved for Howard.
LOL I put in feinstein bush fire
Feinstein also was the senator who circulated an anti-Dean petition becuz of his statement about equal treatment for the Palestinians; maybe he said an even-handed approach; words to that effect.
Audrey, can't you get to articles to copy and paste?
About the plane ride to the Ca. fires. We had already established what she is, now we know the price.
Here is my list ... Lieberman, Rahm Emanuel, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Feinstein. Rahm will be up for reelection. You think Christine Cegelis would take him on?
We have another humanitarian crisis. Where's bush/cheney? Cutting brush? Oh, these poor Mexicans. Lookie everybody. Lookie how much bush loves the Mexican people. He at least could help get them off the roofs and into American sweatshops.
Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints [-] Text [+]By Alberto Fajardo and Luis Manuel Lopez
VILLAHERMOSA, Mexico (Reuters) - Thousands of people perched on roofs in southern Mexico on Saturday, desperate to be evacuated from flooding caused by heavy rains that has left most of Tabasco state under water and 800,000 people homeless.
Many were set to spend another night on their rooftops, with tens of thousands already crammed into emergency shelters struggling to provide enough hot meals and dry beds.
One group stranded on a roof held a banner reading: "Enough. There are children, pregnant women, sick women. Send the police."
"We need help," one woman told Reuters Television after being rescued by helicopter from the roof of a school in the swampy southern Gulf of Mexico state.
"There are a lot of people up there, there are pregnant women, children. They didn't want to leave their homes but there's now no other option. We've lost everything," she said.
Local navy commander Sergio Lara said 28,000 people had been evacuated as army and navy teams worked through Saturday to airlift people out or reach them by boat, despite problems with fog and rain and with flood victims trying to grab onto hovering helicopters.
"What can complicate things is the weather. (And) today a helicopter almost fell down because of the people desperate to reach provisions," said Jorge Camacho, a civil protection director from the northern state of Nuevo Leon. Continued...
i had an interesting little encounter today that just wrapped up a few minutes ago. i'm telling you all here, not because i want kudos, but because its something we should all promote out in the open every day.
so, earlier today i was browsing through the musical instruments for sale at craig's list. every once in a while there's a real gem at this type of place. even on ebay, although its becoming less so. after a couple of pages is see an ad for an ovation guitar $300. well, that doesn't tell much, it probably one of their low end product, but it does spark interest and there's a photo. (i only open ads with photos: a not to you sellers.) anyway i open the ad and immediately recognize that this guitar is worth well more than the asking price. i start the internal plotting: i could probably talk them down to $250, i sell it for $1300 and then go buy some new gear i want but probably don't need. then i thought, this person doesn't know anything about guitars.
so, i emailed the person and asked what model it was. a while later they emailed back and said they didn't know. i replied: look inside the sound hole at the label. they replied exactly as i thought they would. now my angle/devil teeter-totter was in full swing. i went to ebay, found an add for an identical (new) guitar which was asking $1499 starting bid, and emailed this person the link and the reality of what she has. she replied: thanks, i had no idea.
so there it is. i did one small thing without any real effort and did someone some good. and i feel good for doing it. again i don't want kudos from you guys, i just want you to think about this and how you can do it too. well, i imagine most of you already do this kind of thing, so i'm probably just preaching to the choir.
mprov, just started a movie here but LOL I didn't even think of it that way!
But yeah, Feinstein is a dirty word lately....naughty boy :)
Pakistan will be a formidable enemy.
Juan Cole: Musharraf Plans To Be Dictator For Life
www.juancole.com/2007/11/state-of-emergency-in-pakistan.htmlsent by emf since 1 day 43 minutes, published about 11 hours 58 minutes Musharraf appears to have concluded that the Supreme Court would rule against him, thus his coup-within-a-coup, which at last throws off the tattered facade of democratic institutions and reveals the naked military tyranny underneath. Pitifully, Musharraf explained that he had to make the coup in order to ensure the transition to democracy he says he began 8 years ago. Apparently the "transition" (i.e. Musharraf's dictatorship) will last for the rest of his life.
mprov, take yer kudos and like it, bud. You did good, but it's no more than I'd expect from a Howardly type guy such as yourself.
Annilow, was it you who asked about politics in Argentina? It's a Federal Republic, which one reporter quipped was 90% dictator and 10% democracy.
Cristina Kirchner was just elected the first president, but not by the people in Buenos Aires, who are skeptical of her ambitiousness and political manipulations. She's called the "Hillary of Argentina." Yuck.
mprov you are sweet.
On Wash Journal this morning more than one caller pointed out Feinstein's and Schumer's Jewishness and how it might relate to their approving Mukasey. Of course Feingold disproves this rule, if you're looking for a rule.
Mrs. Pritchard was good tonight - how all the lives around her are crash, burning -- being PM is hard on everyone connected with her.
Sounds like good TV on Tuesday: Nova - 'Sputnik Declassified' and Frontline - "Extraordinary Rendition"
I think I'm turning orange (pumpkin colored).
Nitie, maybe.
Pitifully, Musharraf explained that he had to make the coup in order to ensure the transition to democracy he says he began 8 years ago. Apparently the "transition" (i.e. Musharraf's dictatorship) will last for the rest of his life.
He had to destroy democracy in order to save it.
Sounds like America's Republicans and their NeoDem colaborators.
106. Thanks for explanation Seashell -- guess we're a 'Federal Republic' too based on that definition. Espec. if Hill gets in. Bed calls! Nitie. Must get warm - it's down to about 70 in here.
Perhaps the people of Venezuela learned well about what happens when one prez has way too much power.
Thousands protest proposal to give Venezuela's Chavez more power
The Associated Press
Published: November 3, 2007
CARACAS, Venezuela: Thousands of Venezuelans on Saturday protested proposed constitutional reforms that would allow President Hugo Chavez to run for re-election indefinitely and give him the power to create provinces governed by federally appointed officials.
Waving red, yellow and blue Venezuelan flags, government opponents jammed a downtown Caracas avenue where opposition leaders warned that 69 amendments approved by the Chavista-dominated National Assembly would severely weaken democracy and violate civil liberties.
To take effect, the reforms must be approved by voters in a Dec. 2 referendum. Lawmakers approved the amendments Friday.
"We are going to say 'No!' to this dictatorship they want to impose in our country," Gabriel Puerta, secretary-general of the Red Flag opposition party, shouted from a podium amid cheers from the crowd. "We will fight for our democracy and freedom."
The amendments would give the government complete control over the Central Bank, create new types of cooperative property, allow authorities to detain citizens without charge and censor the media during a state of emergency. They also would abolish presidential term limits, allowing Chavez to run again in 2012.
Today in Americas
Mexico floods recede as thousands more are evacuated
One candidate's 'personal evolution' is another's 'flip-flop'
U.S. officials considering more rights for Guantánamo detainees
Chavez — a former paratroop commander who was first elected in 1998 — denies the reforms threaten freedoms. The sweeping changes, he says, will help Venezuela advance toward what he calls "21st-century Socialism."
Hundreds of National Guardsmen and police in riot gear were posted around Saturday's street demonstration to prevent violent clashes between opposition-sided protesters and Chavez sympathizers.
On Friday, students protested the reforms at several universities. Two people were killed and four injured by a gunman during student-led demonstrations outside a university in western Zulia state.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/03/america/LA-GEN-Venezuela-Protest.php
Another whistle blower silenced. Fascism all around us now.
mprov and Denise LOL...two minds think alike, huh? THANK YOU. Your googling is definitely much better than mine.
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Audrey, yes, I agree. But, you know, if we really are reaching the tipping point in 5-10 years, I don't think we can wait til then anyhow. :)
A note to Kenneth Q...from a thread a few days ago. Just saw his response to me and answer there...also here.
Kenneth Q., just saw your post in the thread earlier about the Netroots awards. I answered you there, but will here also. We are not in Russell's district, but we did meet with both Penberthy and Russell, and we donated to both.
I do read many of the Florida blogs every day. When the vote took place, it was like the emails and the blogs and the media all let loose at once. It was stunning. I and others were amazed that Nelson has so completely taken things over. That lawsuit is a shocking thing, just as the one by the Tampa guy, DiMaio. And Geller says he is working up a suit to sue the first four states? Amazing. Who is paying for all the suits to break the DNC's back? Somebody has to pay for them.
My point about Russell is this. Who in the world gave the party the power to decide who runs and who doesn't, whose personality is suitable and whose is annoying? How can you keep out of fundraisers and a convention a guy who got 109,000 votes?
It is not about my supporting Russell, as much as my feeling like whoa...if the party leaders decide everything then why do they need us at all? That is how my hubby and I have felt. We have close friends who are committeemen and women, and we are not unaware of some of the inner workings. I will never forget the time Navarro said it was the DFA people trying to take over the state party. That was actually how many looked upon us. It was not said favorably.
I posted at Daily Kos about the emails from county chairs saying to withhold donations from Dean and the DNC. Quite frankly, I became angry. I was practically called a liar. Some of the ones in the threads were just being irritating, but some were known bloggers and party leaders.
Good Lord, I was telling the truth and treated like an outsider for doing so. I just did a search at the FLA Politics blog. There are two pages on Howard Dean, nothing taking up for him, not one thing. I will do a search at the Progressive coalition blog next.
You have to remember....people like my hubby and I were Democrats, but we were not that active. We voted, we donated, but that was it. We were so excited in 2003, and we kept working. Now, nothing. Our friends and fellow DFAers have about given up in this area. Will that change? I don't know. We can only fight the system just so much.
The lawsuits are shameful. Karen Thurman should never have allowed Nelson to take over like that. I read today that Wasserman Schultz at another county's convention stood there and endorsed one district candidate while another who ran last time sat a few rows back. I am sure I can find the article again. The DCCC was already training Penberthy during the last primary, but Russell beat him. Voters should be respected, and the party leaders need to remember that. Same thing happened to Jan Schneider and David Lutrin. Good people.
Here is more about John and the party efforts. If you read carefully you will see it is more about the party deciding everything than it is about John Russell. I have good sources on this issue, and I don't intend to sit by and watch the party destroy his reputation. It is not about him so much, I repeat, as about hurting a person's reputation. It is just plain wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1619
We would like to feel like we are part of things again, like we matter. We do not feel that way right now. I will repost this in the new thread just in case. I appreciate your response to me, and I am quite sure you are as angry with me for questioning as I am at the party for allowing this mess to go so far and then try to ridicule Dean with those buttons with screws in them.
too funny! something's up over at camp gravel. he just overtook biden in the pulse poll and if the votes keep coming like the past few minutes dodd will be next.
looks like dennis will hit 40,000 tonight.
So what happens if we change our vote and knock s/o out of the first 3 choices? Does that person have a vote taken away?
its not people changing votes that's doing it. dodd's going down a step in about 10 to 15 minutes from the look of it.
gravel just passed dodd and he's gunnin' for other. i hope this isn't a robo-vote?
obama finally passed 19,000 and edwards 17,000.
Hawk Turned Dove Dems Rally Round the White Flag
August 24, 2007 -- DEMOCRATS bristle when people call them "Defeatocrats," but they're certainly living up to that name.
A surprising number of Democrats have acknowledged recently that the "surge" of U.S. troops in Iraq appears to be working.
This week, President Bush told veterans, "They're clearing the terrorists out of population centers; they're giving families in liberated Iraqi cities a look at a decent and hopeful life."
Democrats who have demanded a "change of course" in Iraq are thrilled that their advice was heeded and that Bush's strategy shows signs of hope, right?
Wrong.
Although she admitted the military's new tactics are "working," Hillary Rodham Clinton issued an immediate response to Bush's speech reiterating her call to begin pulling out of Iraq right now.
John Edwards also re-stated his call for withdrawal, and added that he doesn't even believe the surge is working.
They have become the "lose at all costs" crowd.
What is mind-boggling to remember at times like this is that Clinton and Edwards both voted in favor of the war in Iraq.
At the time, Edwards said that Saddam Hussein was "the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
Now, Clinton and Edwards want to be president and have to explain how they - by their own standards - made such a grievous error.
They will tell you that the intelligence they relied upon was shaky. No weapons of mass destruction were found. They never intended the war to be so ineptly run. And they didn't expect it to go on this long.
But the great thing about a presidential campaign is that all the nuances candidates use to muddy their record on essential issues fall away.
All that are left are the simple, basic facts.
In this case, it is that Clinton and Edwards voted for the war when it was popular. They supported it until their support threatened their political careers, and then they stopped supporting it.
It's too soon to tell if their about-face was in time to save their own political skins. But one thing is for sure. It's too late for all those young men and women who have already paid their last full measure
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08242007/news/columnists/hawk_turned_dove_dems_rally_ro.htm
gravel just passed other and there's a street fight with hillary.
Gravel just past Other. Way to go Gravellians! Now let's see ya knock Hillary down a notch.
Dodd Campaign: John Edwards May Not Take Money From Washington Lobbyists, But He Sure Acted Like It
* Edwards supported a bankruptcy bill that was vetoed by President Clinton. In 2000 John Edwards voted for the Bankruptcy Overhaul bill. While this bill included a slight increase of the minimum wage, its major design was to revise bankruptcy laws to make it easier for courts to force debtors to repay their debts, while before the law had allowed debtors to discharge their debt. 12 Democrats and 2 Republicans rejected this bill, including Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy, Paul Wellstone, and Tom Harkin. President Clinton eventually vetoed this bill because it was too hard on debtors. [HR 833, Vote 5, 2/2/00; Des Moines Register, 3/16/01]
Edwards supported a bankruptcy bill that was vetoed by President Clinton.
Just one more instance where the Great Populist's record doesn't match his rhetoric.
what do you think, sitka, 5 minutes to take hillary down?
gravel just passed hillary. is richardson next? its a steep climb after that.
– Sen. John Edwards Edwards voted for the Yucca Mountain plan in 2000 and 2002, a spokesman said, because North Carolina has nuclear power plants that want to get rid of the waste
I wonder what took the Gravellians so long to figure out there's a poll?
i put a post over at his site3 last thursday to egg them on. this is kind of weird though.
gravel just passed richardson. that's 1,000 votes in 14 minutes.
EDWARDS: Dean still has not said he was wrong [to seek those votes]. Were you wrong to say that?
DEAN: No, I wasn't. People who vote who fly the Confederate flag, I think they are wrong because the Confederate flag is a racist symbol. But I think there are lot of poor people who fly that flag because the Republicans have been dividing us by race since 1968 with their southern race strategy. I am tired of being divided by race in this country. I want to go down to the South and talk to people who don't make any more than anybody else up north but keep voting Republican against their own economic interests.
EDWARDS: The last thing we need in the South is somebody like you coming down and telling us what we need to do. I grew up in the South. I grew up with the very people that you're talking about. The vast majority don't drive around with Confederate flags on pickup trucks.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Howard_Dean_Civil_Rights.htm
The last thing we need in the South is somebody like you coming down and telling us what we need to do.
The last thing we need in the rest of the country is anuthuh suthun' prezident.
looks like the gravel surge has run its course leaving him in a solid 5th place.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/washin...
U.S. Is Likely to Continue Aid to Pakistan
By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID ROHDE
Published: November 5, 2007
WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 — The Bush administration signaled Sunday that it would probably keep billions of dollars flowing to Pakistan’s military, despite the detention of human rights advocates and leaders of the political opposition by Gen. Pervez Musharraf, the country’s president.
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In Occupied Territories-East, there appears to be some major problems for the Bush regime.....the people are insisting on freedom.
ya, question is can they get 10,000 more to get into the top 4???
I didn't think they'd get this far. So I'll not predict.
10,000 for MG.
Boy are the people who log in this morning going to be surprised at what they missed.
damn, they're gunnin' for john. might make it by midnight pst.
possible. i just noticed that edwards has the equivalent of the bottom 5 slots combined.
Thanks for the heads up on this action, mprov. It's a ton of fun.
ya, i like a good horse race too. were you around the night hackett was running. great stuff.
I was blogging elsewhere at that time. But there was plenty of enthusiasm there too.
you like tom waits, sitka. he's about the only living musician i admire that i've never seen live. and he practically lives just down the street. and our cello player has played with him. go figure.
you like tom waits, sitka.
Yeah, he's great. He seems like the kind of guy who would live just down the street.
I like the way at Gravel's site they say, "Please consider going to the Democracy for America website and voting for Mike in their poll."
ya, but i opened my mouth and said "where are you guys." oh well.
looks like they're going to do it. less than 3k behind edwards now.
MG just passed the combined total of everyone below him minus Other (and we all know who that is,)
too bad none of the greens figured out that they could write-in also???
paul? clark? hmmmm...some dead guy?
I'm presuming Other is HD in disguise.
too bad none of the greens figured out that they could write-in also??
I've been to their site and didn't even see a blog. Maybe it's symptomatic of why they even didn't get their candidate on the AZ ballot in 2004. Since I knew Kerry would lose I would have given them my vote if I could.
i was in phoenix as a poll monitor during that election. i went to the "party" downtown after the polls closed and it was death thick in the air. i left after about 20 minutes.
Well, I'd love to stay and watch MG overtake JE, but I've got to cash in my chips for today.
I'll look forward to seeing Indy having a conniption over it -- if it happens. But even if not, the Gravellians have done themselves and their guy proud.
the gravel voters have really flattened out the percentage spread.
Driving by to say the poll looks downright interesting -- certainly reflects the interests of progressives I read here and on KOS better than all the 'national polls' the MSM tries to pimp to us.
Where are you guys seeing the minute by minute? I'm just getting the same old at the Dem for Amer. site
Oh, Ånnilow, you're still here. :-)
It sounds like there's a link to second by second polling and I don't know where it is. :-(
hey, i'm still here. guess i'm a die hard.
sea, to make it easy: open a new window, go to dfa frnot page, and refresh as often as you'd like.
What is frnot? Are you talking about dfa where the poll is? Good, god, I'm so befuddled sometimes.
Silly me, I didn't think of refreshing. Lordy, will I ever get this new century?
Thanks, Annilow. "-)
Hi to you too, mprov. So my question, if you're still here is:
If we re-vote, putting Al in first but change number two and three to where they're fifth or sixth, do votes then get taken away? I need to rephrase since that was so awkward.
If I voted for Obama in third and he's in third, but I put someone else in third, does he lose a vote?
I wonder why Dodd polls so low. And now really zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if you re-vote, your latest vote cancels any prior vote.
seashell
your second and third choices aren't tallied, those are first choices,shown
Gravel ended the draft. You would think we could collect e-mail memberships from a couple of million 18 year old men voting in the pulsepoll.
mprov, I understand that part, thanks. What I'm awkwardly trying to find out is if votes are ever subtracted. Does that make sense? OK, I just figured that out. It would be a case of leapfrogging, leaving someone behind.
Still scratching my head over Dodd and Dennis.
seashell
click on Democracy for America upper right hand quarter
many of our guests don't even know that DFA has a blog
you're up early, phil. oh, you're a farmer! right. when do you guys sleep, exactly? i'm glad i don't have to run around in a field at night, or a barn, or a sty, but i sure do like food. thanks.
Thanks, Phil, that makes things even more clear. Are we going to see the 2nd and 3rd choices? And a breakdown by state?
I really have to go to bed. Sweet dreams and go Dennis with the Cheney impeachment.
Gore/Dean ....a girl can dream
Phil, yes, I've been following the poll since I got home but kept forgetting to refresh.
You don't seem, as mprov suggested, to sleep much, delivering all those *babies* and such. :-)
mprov
I have a cow giving birth tonight and am headed for the barn. I try to be there, if not then I help the calf nurse, I save a life or two each year. 14 hour days 7 days a week are common for young dairymen, old geezers like me hire help
bbl
Good morning, everybody
Hope it goes well, Phil. It's not as early as it looks. LOL My son-in-law insists we're back to honest time. My internal clock doesn't much care. But, I think people get upset with these changes, even if they're routine, because they interfere with their schedules and make them waste time.
Time is the element we need to focus us. Time is probably central to our industrial success because an awareness of time makes it possible for everyone to work together. It's probably not good that 24/7ness promotes everyone doing their own thing in their own sweet time. I think we lose the economies of common habit.
14. "Class" is a figment of the imagination. I object to such artificial categories being applied to people because they presume that human beings' behavior is externally directed, instead of being self-directed or self-motivated. Now, it's quite possible that some people do not think for themselves and others are comfortable with the habitual behaviors of their natal group, especially if those behaviors serve their internal needs. And, it's quite possible that some groups have managed, over time, to weed out the self-directed, either by expelling them or neglecting what they need to survive. But, I happen to think that genetic variation in combination with auto-mobility virtually insures that individual difference triumphs over these societal inclinations. That there's only one species of homo sapiens is probably a consequence of nature frustrating any efforts to promote and "fix" similarities into distinct populations.
Humans are equal in each being different. On a smaller scale, you could say that the musically talented are equal in that each voice is distinctive.
Wow ! When did Mike Gravel jump in the pulse poll ?
Dennis Kucinich is introducing HR 333 - the Cheney Impeachment bill tomorrow. Please call your rep and ask them to vote *against* tabling it.
Remember, Dennis helped get 125 HR members to vote against the Iraq resolution in 2002. He's fighting the good fight - and apparently getting some props for that here.
And, etc. etc.
Sen. John Edwards Edwards voted for the Yucca Mountain plan in 2000 and 2002, a spokesman said, because North Carolina has nuclear power plants that want to get rid of the waste
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/02/07/63499.php
Federico Peña, former Energy Secretary and the National Campaign Co-Chair, discussed with reporters Senator Obama’s consistent opposition to Yucca nuclear storage.
Barack Obama has been a long-time and unwavering opponent of the Yucca Mountain project. Billions of dollars have been spent on Yucca, but we are no closer to ensuring nuclear waste won’t pollute
At a Senate committee hearing on Yucca Mountain this morning, Barack Obama submitted a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Environment and Public Works Committee Chair Barbara Boxer calling on leaders to abandon the project. "The selection of Yucca Mountain has failed, the time for debate on this site is over, and it is time to start exploring new alternatives for safe, long-term solutions based on sound science.
Link To The Full Letter
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/NVHQ/CSYB
Can we not go negative on the candidates here. Instead, just write why you support your choice.
And I see the "poll" continues to be a farce.
And puddle, Robert says hello.
wOOt!
let's go for a quarter million votes
no one can win an endorsement with this large field, and at the risk of offending deaniac again want to use this teaching moment to show how meaningless a "win" in Iowa is in a large field too if the "winner" is in the twenties
what this pulsepoll shows is who has a staff internet savy enough to promote a link on their front page
and Edwards and Obama are pretty impressive since neither of them did
but Gore isn't even on the ballot!!!
in Iowa we use a form of IRV, if you are under 15%; the "re-alignment"
DFA has 800,000 e-mail addresses that should be valid for a vote
let's go people ... and hit the bat while you are here ... click contribute
don't make HQ's come looking for you later, just do it
This poll shows nothing. It is valueless, just like all self-selected internet surveys have always been. Trying to justify it reminds me of the people on the NASA probe whose antenna wouldn't unfurl, talking about the value of all they had learned about how to deal with unfurled antennas. but the bottom line was they didn't get the scientific data and photos for which the probe was designed. This poll is a farce, and is a farce by design. The only question is whether that was known when it was stood up, or came as a surprise to HQ.
DFA is just going to look silly if they do anything with this.
KUNSTLER ON IGNORING THE OBVIOUS
http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary22.html
One of the biggest laughs of the season came out of a New York Times business section story last Tuesday by reporter Michael Grynbaum, who wrote, "Oil is on a steady march toward toppling the inflation-adjusted high of $101.70 it set in April 1980, analysts said, though many are at a loss as to what keeps driving the price." (Italics mine.) Actually, lots of people know what is driving up the price -- just not anybody who works at that once-august and now-clueless newspaper. It can be stated simply -- the demand line has crossed the supply line -- though that simple fact has many curious ramifications.
202. Right on Rich!
Mike Gravel takes third place, and marching on to Gore. Will he flinch, will Dennis duck?
OOps! Gravel deflates in third, collapses into sixth place. The altitude is suspected.
Remember "Bill in Portland MN from the old Dean days. He writes a daily column now for Daily Kos. This is one line we all can agree with.
"There will never be another online fundraising activity that creates the same adrenaline rush that filling Howard Dean's bats did."
Amen, Brothers and Sisters.
morning all, trying to get a heads up on a busy day before election day here in va.
got almost all my packages out to the precinct people.
crunch time in virginia and the state leg is up for grabs.
be off til probably tomorrow nite at the least.
wish us luck.
BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gravel is back at the bottom and his votes all gone. Were his gains ill gotten?
Into the West http://alt.tnt.tv/itw
The trailer: http://www.ifilm.com/video/2671867
BESY of luck Linda !!
and yes, it seems Gravel has 'lost' 17,000 votes in the last hour.
209.....LOL...not to hard to guess that one...to have 19K votes in an overnight....hmmmm
"BEST' of luck too Linda !!
( i have no idea what 'besy' means !)
;)
Tomorrow IS election day, and if there's a local election in your area, be sure to get out and vote.
I'll be working the polls, probably the last time for the local party. In the future, I'll either work the polls for the board of elections, or if I have a candidate I like, for that candidate. The local party is just too non-progressive for me to put in that kind of effort.
Real news that you probably didn't get----
Helsinki Agreement
Representatives of Iraqi parties and blocs held discussions in Finland from August 31 through September 3, 2007 and agreed to consult further on the following recommendations to start negotiations to reach national reconciliation:
1.To resolve all political issues through non-violence and democracy.
2.To prohibit the use of arms for all armed groups during the process of negotiations.
3.To form an independent commission approved by all parties, its task being to supervise the process of disarmament of non-governmental armed groups in a verifiable manner.
4.All parties will commit to accept the results of the negotiations and no party can be subject to a threat of force form any groups that reject all or part of any agreement reached.
5.To work to end international and regional interference in internal Iraqi affairs.
6.To commit to protect human rights.
7.To assure the independence and efficiency of the legal and justice systems, especially the constitutional court.
8.To ensure the full participation of all Iraqi parties and blocs in the political process and agreed governance arrangements.
9.To take all necessary steps to end all violence, killings, forced displacement and any further damage to infrastructure.
10.To establish an independent consultive body to explore ways to deal with the legacy of the past in a way that will unite the nation.
11.All Iraqi parties and blocs have to build Iraq and contribute efficiently to support all the efforts that would make the political process and Iraqi unity successful and to preserve its sovereignty.
12.All participating groups must commit to all of the principles listed here as a complete system of rules.
Political Objectives:
1- To be rational in political speeches, for the national interest, and to move away from sectarian and ethnic dispute.
2- To bring an end to the displacement of Iraqi people and work to take care of those displaced, and secure their safe return, with guarantees of their safety by the inational forces in co-operation with political parties and tribal leaders.
3- To deal with the subject of militias under the following procedures:
A- Arming, supplying, training and making sure that the security forces (army/police) are capable of undertaking their duties efficiently. Make sure that the security forces are equipped to adequate levels to achieve an effective national force.
B- Activation of economic development across the country, to contain youth unemployment and use the effors of young people to rebuild in order to improve the quality of life for all citizens.
C- Those working outside the law and using military resources inappropriately shall be brought to justice, with tno differentiation.
4- The emphasis on the common vision for all Iraqi political entities on the importance of termination of the presence of foreign troops in Iraq through the completion of national sovereignty and rebuilding a national army and security apparatus accorting to a national vision within a realistic timetable.
5- An emphasis on the continuation of constructive dialogue between different political groups aiming to fulfill national goals.
6- To convince political groups that are currently outside the political process to initiate and activate a constructive dialogue to reach common understandings.
7- To deal with armed groups which are not classified as terrorist, encouraging them to use peaceful political means to address the conflicnt and to provide their members with jobs and opportunities within state administrations.
8- Working towards correcting the misunderstanding that accompanied the political process and encourage all Iraqi political parties to participate in building Iraq in all aspects.
9- The cessation of the violation of the human rights of Iraqi citizens and their properties by continuous bombardment and military actions by foreign forces. The Iraqi government must take responsibility to protect innocent civilians.
END
Presumably, the Helsinki Agreement accounts for the decrease in violent deaths in Iraq.
Typical of Bush Two to take credit for success and blame failure on someone else.
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As Rich has pointed out, the whole pulse poll is a farce, unworthy of any attention.
I find it much more worthy of attention than the campaign propaganda. At least it's more entertaining.
9- The cessation of the violation of the human rights of Iraqi citizens and their properties by continuous bombardment and military actions by foreign forces.
The only way that will happen is when they're gone.
207. That was such a rush during the Dean days. I would love to have some of that passion this time around.
OOPS-SORRY FOR DOUBLE
Sanders seemed impatient with us when it comes to Iraq.
But I liked the idea of making the GOP filibuster non-stop.
Jake Gyllenhaal seems to be getting more involved in Political acting.
Gyllenhaal in bed with Biel for "Nailed"
Mon Nov 5, 2007 5:29am EST
By Gregg Goldstein
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Jake Gyllenhaal and Jessica Biel are attached to star in "Nailed," a risque political satire co-written by a daughter of Al Gore.
David O. Russell ("Three Kings") is attached to direct from a screenplay co-written with Kristin Gore, a published novelist and former writer on "Futurama."
http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/...
I'll repeat my call for a nomination process where every single vote is on a paper ballot, and every single Democrat in the country, whatever state, gets the exact same opportunity to allocate the delegates to the National Nominating Convention.
too bad all those Gravel votes came from the same address
does that cleaning of the votes mean that all of Kucinich's are legit?
probably
someone would have to scrub the votes harder than rove scrubbing voter files to get someone to 68% though
I think it is very useful to know that progressives are widely split and that lesson will be repeated in Iowa, most likely
what then?
Rich, me too.. I am going to some ELECTION PROTECTION tomorrow with the lawyers coming down
I have set up the precincts for the district, which can be trying at times. but it is done.
Yes, I wish we had the dynamics that we had with Howard Dean here in Va. but our Governor Kaine and former Gov Warner have been all over the state helping local critters get elected. It is sad when the governor knows you by name. But he does call me his photographer as I am usually at events with our digital taking pix for the campaign.
Well off to get some info to our precinct people Best of luck Rich, who are you working for?
I know the Peterson/ Davis race is taking center stage up there.
Rich, me too.. I am going to some ELECTION PROTECTION tomorrow with the lawyers coming down
I have set up the precincts for the district, which can be trying at times. but it is done.
Yes, I wish we had the dynamics that we had with Howard Dean here in Va. but our Governor Kaine and former Gov Warner have been all over the state helping local critters get elected. It is sad when the governor knows you by name. But he does call me his photographer as I am usually at events with our digital taking pix for the campaign.
Well off to get some info to our precinct people Best of luck Rich, who are you working for?
I know the Peterson/ Davis race is taking center stage up there.
linda b
I always have three really long days every cycle, besides the organizing, there is the day State releases the yard signs for state wide candidates in a bundle, and election day itself
the pace of media ads here make it seem like we have an election this week too
Romney scares me if his ads attract any voters.
Darn, I missed all the fireworks last night. Sitka seems to have gotten him all worked up about Gravel's "Hill climb" (pun intended) for nothing.
Gravel fell as fast as he rose.....like a popped balloon. DFA, we have a black box problem. This poll has lost all integrity and how can anyone trust it. How do we know which votes are "legitimate" and which are not. And why is DFA manipulating the vote and for what reasons?
Something needs to be done before this blows up in DFA's face.
Phil, I wanted to say.....it's not every one who can say they have the opportunity to save lives. Kudos to you. That's a wonderful thing that I can only imagine.
Thanks for the Sanders interview. If he believes what he's saying, I'd expect an endorsement of Edwards who is the ONLY one hitting hard at corporate and wealthy control of government. DC is broken and it cannot be fixed by a DC insider.
The most important thing Sanders said: The Democratic party is not a progressive party -- it is a centrist party. Time to form a true Progressive Party in this country.
Good grief! Is this thread still on auto pilot?
DFA ought to scrape the pulse poll results. They do no good for progressives or DFA.
224.
Louca Gata
Mon, 11/05/07
10:25 am
Thank you.
This was a wonderful interview with Senator Sanders.
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And Thank YOU Senator.
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Hello - I made it to the borg.
Monica thx for Helsinki Agreement info - that was interesting. There is a diary on KOS about why violence is down - not sure if they mentioned Helsinki agreement. Maybe Iraq is like the weather - if you don't like what's happening, just wait awhile. The Iraqis are not stupid- a little leadership and they will work out their own country. I guess it's possible it will be a good thing that Saddam is gone, but it'll never be a good thing what they've endured in the interim.
I disagree about class tho -- I was brought up to believe we're 'all created equal' and have 'equal opportunity' but the older I get the more I realize that is not true. There are people of great power and people of great wealth and people with impeccable educations who reside in a different space from the rest of us.
I also disagree about 'illegal immigrants' the semantics of it but I'm too wiped by the stupid time change to get into it right now.
Will we ever get a new thread? Or a ghost thread? Guess HQ is too busy counting votes.
Bye!
lindab,
Just working the polls for the LCDC this time. Peterson/Davis is the noisiest race in Northern Virginia (but out of my area). Lots of TV ads, all of them negative. By choice, I'd support neither, which is all too often where I'm finding myself these days.
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