Deans are first!

DemocracyFest News! (Recommend Please!)

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/18376...

"Girls want things that make common sense.  The best for all conserned" 

Talking Heads  The Girls Want to Be With the Girls   More Songs About Buildings and Food  Sire  0:29:30  

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You seem to be dodging the question.  I'll ask it straight out and well I'll keep asking it.

Would you send your son to die in Darfur?

Or would you be like Cheney and all the other neocons, advocate a policy that they have no personal stake in?

Come on Phil, tell us.  You are the big "save Darfur" person

how many American lives would you spend to stop it, and how would you explain it....?

Robert

jc - You are a clever girl! I needed a good chuckle before bed. LOL!!!!!!!

vb,

Just recyclin' some of my oldies but goodies.  LOL 

Coming up, the commenting system is going to get some upgrades. Be on the lookout for a new style of threaded conversation that really flies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is there SOME reason you people just will NOT believe us when we tell you that we LIKE a flat rather than threaded system??????? Who the hell are you anyways?  The Democratic Party?????

Oh my gosh - I just saw the horses on the last thread!!!!!!!

I agree with puddle about liking the flat comments, but it would be good if it auto-stamped what you were replying to at the top of your comment when you click "Reply to this"...or something like that.

puddle,

We want Dean and they keep trying to push Kerry on us!  ;-) 

Well, if they drive enough people away by not listening, it won't matter anyways. 

184.

Rocky Jones
Mon, 11/13/06
10:51 pm

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The wording of your question is biased and specious, however I will answer the basic premise of the question you are posing.

Yes, I would go there or allow my loved ones to go there. I would not send my son or daughter anywhere "to die" but every occupation has its hazards.  I would go, or send my loved ones to do a job in a place like the Dalfur where there was a remote risk of death, if it meant preventing the death of hundreds of thousands of people, and prevent the suffering of even more.

 There are missionaries and secular relief workers that risk their lives every day with no armor artillery or army behind them.  They have more balls than I do, and certainly more balls than you have.

Puddle I think I got it - thanks fory our help!

jc, you got that right!

Denise, there you go!  and on the lucky number, too!!

I see Denise!  :-)

The comments will remain flat. Jessica has the right idea -- the "Reply to this" link will provide a sort of pseudo-threading capability, allowing readers to track conversations without the use of physical threads.

jc that is priceless. You are so talented!

vb. doesn't Ajax look GREAT in dress blues, lol!!?

17. Luigi

Cool.

Oh yeah #13 is the charm.

Wish I had my schedule for next June. I think I should be able to make the DemFest dates - AND get to see my brother and his family. Should have a new set of twin grand neices by then.

Luigi,

That sound okay.  I look forward to seeing it in action. 

sound = sounds

Okay, Luigi.  I apologize.  Mea culpa.

The comments will remain flat. Jessica has the right idea -- the "Reply to this" link will provide a sort of pseudo-threading capability, allowing readers to track conversations without the use of physical threads.

>

I suppose that is a blind wOOT!  ???

___

Jack Kerouac (with Al Cohn & Zoot Simms)  American Haikus   In Their Own Voices: A Century of Recorded Poetry  Rhino Word Beat  2:15:42  

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/7902

3. Ear-Rocky Jones

Last is Iraqi Jones for carrying a disagreement with someone who isn't even here onto this thread. Old arguments should stay on old threads. 

****** Luigi, We have a problem ***********

I emailed you but not sure if you are reading it. You booted my out of my Firefox account. I hope to G@D you didn't delete it because it has all  my messages, photos, groups, etc. I would have to personally come to Burlington and kill you. :)

So, when I try to log in under my regular account, Firefox, democracyforarizona, it does nothing. It refreshes and gives me the blank login boxes at bottom again instead of the comment. Cannot log into DFA-Link under that account either.  So, I have to go under this old email I never really use anymore and low and behold I got in under this.

If this happened to me (getting booted out of my account) I imagine it has happened to others so I suggest doing a database check and emailing everyone on your list this week asking them to login to blog  with an email to contact you so you know what the situation is.

I was blogging fine until you put up this new rating feature and my account disappeared.

Cheryl 

Luigi rocks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Phil Specht
Mon, 11/13/06
11:08 pm

Reply to this

My son has chosen a path that will take him to places like Darfur in due time. But he is his own man, he will volunteer, I won't "send" him.

He isn't learning six languages to talk to the cows,but since his mission is to wage peace feeding hungry people might come up. Tom Harkin's plan to give every school child in the world a school lunch motivates him.

cut and pasted while Luigi does his thing, it has been fun in Beta, Dean on

21. Denise

Oh yeah #13 is the charm.

>  Transcendence

On the issue of homosexuals burning in hell as it were, just curious, do you differentiate between practicing homosexuals engaging in intercourse with those of the same sex? ..

Fred...you asked and that is the only reason I respond.  This is not the religious blog

I believe that there is a heaven and a hell and that our faith and our works resulting from that faith determine in the final judgment where our souls go.  I think that a lot of people are going to hell and a lot of people are going to heaven...there is good and evil in the world and our own morality (not a national one) states the consciousness of our soul.

People who are "gay" derive the protection of The Constitution if they are Americans or reside in this country.    NOthing special there, all Americans or people who reside in The Republic derive the protection from the government of The Constitution.

To go to heaven you have to have Faith in the God on HIgh and Live your life by His Words.  I think that interpretation is across religious "faiths".  For instance I dont think that all people int he Church of Christ (where I worship) are going to heaven nor do I think all Catholics are going to hell.

It is faith in the God on High and works by that faith.  Why I believe that homsexuals are going to hell is not a part of this blog.  I dont care if you accept it or dont. 

Faith is what you live your life for and what you are willing to die for. 

Our political leaders should in their political life have faith in The Constitution. 

Robert 

Nice photo, Denise, but  you should resize to get your chin in there. :)

Just like to mention that I'd STILL like an ignore button!

s/b Me

Oh, and Luigi, I tried it under Netscape, Firefox and IE browers so it was not a browser issue. Just an fyi. 

Devil !

Oh and GO CHARLIE!   I am glad he has an attorney, shaved the beard and we will know on Thursday the outcome.  Thanks to John for keeping us posted and to Renee on HEP. 

The ability to keep someone from responding to your posts would be nice, also, lol!

38.

LOL, puddle! 

I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, but if it exists, I'm glad I'm probably going to the one Robert isn't.  I hope they don't allow cross-blogging.

jc ~~ :) 

Cheryl you are a slave driver :) I'm lucky I got the photo posted...lol.

Actually I took that photo with my Mac. One day I was messing with some applications, hit Photo Booth, and wow, I was looking at myself. So I snapped the pic.

And just how many chins of mine do you want to see? he he

What a trip ?

vb. doesn't Ajax look GREAT in dress blues, lol!!?  

Yes indeed, now for a portrait of the troll, just turn that horse around and head him south.

Denise i would recognize a Dean smile anywhere.

Denise, if you email me the photo, I can resize it for you to the perfect dimensions. I would need the big orgicnal. Then, I would send it back and you can upload to Photobucket and get the url.

You look so pretty on there, we need to see that chin! 

My son has chosen a path that will take him to places like Darfur in due time. But he is his own man, he will volunteer, I won't "send" him...

PHil

Then you dont understand The Republic any better then Cheney.

I teach for a moment.

When you (in the generic sense) adovcate a policy that will send the armed forces of The Republic into harms way, where some will be killed.

Then as a leader or an advocate you should do it as if you are sending your own son or daughter to the alter.

Because Phil, even if you dont know them, the ones you send ARE "our kids", As "WE THE PEOPLE".  They can be 62, 46 or 17....they are OUR KIDS.  WE THE PEOPLE send them.

But you wouldnt send your son.   NO NOT YOUR SON.

 He has learned six languages, he is brilliant blah blah blah....but you would send the son or daughter of The Republic who hasnt learned six languages, who works at WalMart or who works at Delta as a mechanic. TO FULLFIL YOUR OWN PERSONAL MORALITY.

Phil...lets pretend you sent Casey Sheehan to Darfur.  What would you tell his parents after he was killed by some "insurgent" who just didnt care for some foreign person coming to "HIS" land?

What would you say?  "I wouldnt send my son, he is learning six languages and when he is ready he will go, he is in college right now, But I sent yours because I couldnt stand the killing, I  didnt know anyone who had died, but I couldnt stand it, so I sent your son, mine was learnign six languages you should be honored he died trying to stop the killing."

DONT EVER PHIL talk about Bush not sending his daughters to battle.  YOU ARE NOT BETTER then he is in that.

You would easily send other "children" to soothe your "morality" pains".

But your son?  HE is learning six languages.

You are no better then a right wing nut who supports Bush but doesnt want their kids to go.

For what it is worth PHIL.  My parents have kids in the fight in Iraq... Their Grandkids have been there as well...and will finish it. 

YOu would kill others but not your son!

LOL

Robert

.

you would send them to do your morality. 

Thanks Cheryl but that is the pic - the chins didn't make it into the photo. I'm cool with it. Thanks for the compliment - some days are better than others...lol.

Hi there Phil :) How about those Bears, huh? Of course, I had to miss the game but I saw the replay of the 108 yard return on our sports highlights.

49.

"blah blah blah"

You could have shortened your post to the above words.  Then it would make sense. 

So you must have a webcam hooked up to your computer? Is that how you snapped it? I got one about 6 years ago, used if for a few weeks then put it in storage. I have all kinds of computer stuff I should dig out.  I used to make phone calls through my computer and voice software that converts your voice to text. I am not quite into the gadgets and tech stuff like I used to be.

I have gotten more patient though. I used to get so agitated on dial-up and slow computers because I Was so used to doing 50 million things at once but now I am used to the slowness that I don't really notice. 

FRED from OR
Mon, 11/13/06
11:18 pm

Fred.  there is a very remote chance of dying if you are an Ameican in Iraq. 

The numbers who have died compared to the numbers deployed are trivial.  Every death is a tragedy but the numbers in aggregate are small.  They are precisly what would be expected in Darfur.

So you would send your kids to Iraq?

LOL

Missonaries and doctors are in harms way, but they are less in harms way then fighting forces who are trying to stop bad behavior. (and of course Huron/Flag/whatever JOhn is not so sure we can call behavior good or bad...another subject).

You are pro Darfur because you think it is important....another thing you and Cheney have in common...he sent us to Iraq because he thought it was important

Robert

OH MY GOD!  rOCKET HAS GROWN WINGS AND A HALO.  HOW ON EARTH CAN WE LIVE WITH THIS PARAGON OF GREAT VIRTUE? 

<>Oh I get it, the pic never showed you chin. lol

<>Well, still a very nice photo. 

oh. right. we can't.

#

Inter dimension blogging?

I hope not! 

Thanks Cheryl

My MacBook Pro has an application called Photo Booth and uses the computer's built in camera. You can do special effects with it, too. There is a pic of me with three eyes and two mouths that I did, and one with an Andy Warhol effect. They're hilarious.

Lieberman changed a lot of people's views on things. 

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/624

49 v 28

you would send them to do your morality.

>  Eye!  there's the rub.  I see no reason to use the military to affect change in Darfur. 

Martha, since this is a legal contract matter, I am not authorized to speak on behalf of DFI about it. Please email me and I will pass it on to the DFI Board. Thanks.

Phil Specht
Mon, 11/13/06
11:27 pm

Phil ...

From now on I will remind you form time to time of your theories of morality.

"My morality is troubled by what is going on in this part of the world...send someone elses kid to die for what I believe in, mine is learning six languages".

Nameste Gong

you and Kerry

Robert

See you folks.

off to do some paperwork before going out to wage peace.

Gloom and doomers should show up soon, and there is always the "My morality is troubled I must send other people to die for it, my son is learning six languages" people like Phil

Nameste Gong

Robert

Kerry isn't worth your time, where as Phil is.  Eye, that's it.  Eye.

The Monkees  Circle Sky   Head  Rhino  2:40:45  

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/7902

I actually never said anything about sending in troops but when you are a hammer everything is a nail.

Wonder what on earth KBR is putting in the water they're delivering to the Green Zone?

Good one Phil

63. Rocky Jones

Thanks fur comin' in.  Drive safely.

Alexander Fedoriouk  Ca la Breaza   The Art of the Cimbalom  Traditional Crossroads  @ 2:42:58  

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/7902

How disgusting is that? NO preson here has sent anyones kid to die. Isn't that the Bush bunch you are thinking of? Disgusting Oler.

Phil ♥

65.

LOL  someone wants to shape an arguement and debate

Luigi

Barbara in Seattle aka Mz. Little said she cannot log in to comment either. So at least 2 of us booted. 

The Devil
Wore Prada

...are you a crushie::crosseyed::?

Charles, ever notice they're not kids unless he wants to USE them?  Otherwise, they're wise young adults who just *love* the watchtowers. . . .

Barb, can you set up a tempory account?  Doesn't take that long to get another email a yahoo. . . .

How true that is Ms puddle.

Good nite bloggies. Howard always.

I detected a great deal of fear and anger. More than ususal. The election might not be sitting too well with Republicans.

There are times when our men and women are sent into harms way.  They go.  That's what they do.   Darfur?  Why?

75

 they're wise young adults who just *love* the watchtowers.

^Well, have to give them that much.  ...*who just*.

What is that Paine? A car wreck with a flower sticking out of it?

National interest is taught as a reason to use force.  Darfur does not muster.

the reason why we would go into darfur would be to save lives. reasoning that it would be the same sort of action as iraq is to totaly miss the point. iraq=war of aggression/acquision, darfur=war on terror/murder. there is a difference.


btw, robert, i'll go. i have friends who'll go. we're older men, but if that is what it takes...we'll go. you, doubt it...no republic and corporate protectionism in it.

Guidan le Peuple

Oh! LOL....I see it now Paine.

Hey mprov

mprov

 reason why we would go into darfur would be to save lives.

> Doesn't muster.  Don't you think? 

I detected a great deal of fear and anger. More than ususal. The election might not be sitting too well with Republicans. 

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Phil, yes, I think that's true.  I'll try and be gentler with him.  

hi, denise.

paine. i've always been taught to stick up for the guy who's down. if we deny that fact that genocide is taking place in africa, and fail to do any thing about it, we aide and abet the process. robert's question is crap. either we believe in fairness, truth, and human rights, or we don't. do we expend our material and human wealth for poor people in a far away land, i say yes. do we expend the same for wars of adventurism, i say no.

Good morning, BFA!

Charles at 46: my thoughts exactly ... the wrong end is showing.

i guess the american pov is that people who don't contribute to the wealth of the nation are expendible. no?

Darfur would require moving our Anaconda in that direction, when more important matters are north of there. 

 Until ...and nearer never than ever

and considering our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan

 I see no compelling interest apparent in Darfur to send our force there.

Today's WaPo with some advice for the lame-duck Congress ... and putz ... that will probably not be heeded.

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Monday, November 13, 2006; Page A20

A LAME-DUCK congressional session when both the House and Senate are about to change hands isn't, as a general matter, the right time to make important policy decisions. When it reconvenes this week, the 109th Congress should concentrate on finishing up the business of the 109th Congress -- primarily, passing the 11 remaining spending bills for the 2007 fiscal year, which started in October. The temptation for Republicans will be simply to approve a continuing resolution keeping this year's spending at 2006 levels, leaving the new majority to make the tough choices when it takes over in January.

[...]

Mr. Bush mentioned some other matters last week that would be better left for the new Congress. We would like to see carefully crafted legislation to provide a legal framework for the administration's warrantless surveillance program, but the measures that have been proposed so far go overboard in giving carte blanche to the administration. This is an important subject -- and one that ought to be taken up by the 110th Congress. Meanwhile, the president's last-ditch push to win confirmation of controversial U.N. Ambassador John R. Bolton during the lame-duck session isn't a particularly good omen of presidential willingness to compromise with Democrats. Mr. Bolton's nomination is a matter the White House would do better to drop, for the lame-duck session and beyond, if Mr. Bush is serious about that new tone he talked about the day after the election.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/12/AR2006111200713.html

PEOPLE. HUMANS. MEN, WOMEN, BOYS, GIRLS. FATHERS, MOTHERS, SONS, DAUGHTERS, UNCLES, AUNTS, GRAMPS. GRANDMA....

AN OLDR WOMAN STEPS INTO THE STREET..A BUS/TRUCK IS COMING UP THE STREET AT HIGH SPEED...OH, SORRY I HAVEN'T EITHER THE MATERIAL OR HUMAN RESOURCES TO CALL OUT TO YOU OR TO JUMP IN FRONT OF THE MOVING VEHICLE TO SHOVE YOU OUT OF THE WAY...SORRY, INTERESTS AT HOME PERCLUDE...

obviously, preclude.

89.

mprov

" do we expend our material "

> Men and material.

Not in Darfur.  Shouldn't the world, including the ME, do something?  Yes, diplomacy.  BTW I don't know what size force might be being considered for deployment to Darfur.. 

I detected a great deal of fear and anger.

I'm sensing that as well.

So long as the MSM continue to push putz's agenda, let's hear it for the alternative media and bloggers.

===========

Amy Goodman is the host of the radio program "Democracy Now!," which offers an alternative perspective of political news that critics of the mainstream media say is ignored.

"When the press acts as a conveyor belt for the lies of government, the lies take lives," said Goodman, whose hourlong program airs locally on KCBX-FM 90.1 at noon Monday through Friday and on KCPR-FM 91.3 at 9 a.m.

Goodman is noted for offering perspectives from voices of anti-war activists and political experts not often heard in the mainstream media and for criticizing corporate media for allegedly funneling lies from the federal government.

[...]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1113-03.htm

safe at home in our own little stucco boxes, are we so secure that we discount the fate of so many in the world? off the edge say i. i have my own.

Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes made of tickytacky
Little boxes on the hillside, little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one and a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.

>  I hear and am drawn to that, but ...

Even consider who we would send from our already stretched military. 

jeez, people. look around. there are people on our own streets in need. there are whole countries in need. but, we sit here so comfortable on our own couches. we've got our shiny brown shoes, tv's, suv's, and all the rest.

there has to be a day when we wake up and relize that we live in a world, not a local. the whole idea of nationalism is a self-destructive notion. get it????

95

Look I never said something should have been done along long long time ago.

I'm with many here in believing that the Dems should call Lieberbush's bluff and work with the (admittedly few!) more moderate Republican Senators. Also like many here, I'd have traded Whiney Joe for Linc Chafee anyday.   So long as we must play the hand that we are dealt, I believe that we should appeal to people like Collins, Snowe and Lugar and tell the Turncoat Bushkisser to buzz off unless he's willing to commit whole-heartedly.   Feingold is one who is able to see that ... if he's not running for Prez, I'd love it if he'd throw his hat in the ring for majority leader.

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WASHINGTON - November 13 - Senators Susan Collins (R-ME) and Russ Feingold (D-WI) along with a number of their Senate Colleagues, have introduced legislation to extend the term of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR). Without this legislation, the SIGIR’s term would expire next year, on October 1, 2007. The Senators’ legislation would enable the SIGIR to continue his critical oversight work until late 2008.

Specifically, the legislation, which the Senators will try to move during the lame duck session of Congress, would reinstate the SIGIR’s previous termination schedule of ten months after 80 percent of funds for Iraq reconstruction have been expended. A recently enacted defense spending bill includes a provision that would end the SIGIR’s oversight responsibilities next year. The Senators believe that the work of the SIGIR’s office, led by Stuart Bowen, is critical and has effectively rooted out millions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse, and therefore, must be continued.

Senator Collins said, “There is no question that the Special Inspector General's office has proven to be a much-needed watchdog, auditing reconstruction contracts in Iraq and spotlighting numerous cases of waste, fraud, and abuse. We must keep the watchdog on the job. This office is responsible for providing the American taxpayer a benefit of more than $25 for every dollar it has spent on oversight and investigations. Its work has resulted in indictments and convictions of individuals who ripped off the taxpayer. It is inconceivable that we would remove this aggressive oversight while the American taxpayer is still spending billions of dollars on Iraq reconstruction projects.”

 [...]

 http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/1113-09.htm

From a recent sermon:

Let the pain of this world seize us by the throat.

103. mprov

Imagine...

paine, i believe that you're a moral person. i've met you, seen you, heard your pov. but, i'm asking you to broaden your pov even just a little. take a wider look at the world. sans roberto. ok.

Some people make it all about Roberto while claiming not to. Imagine that.

jessica, remember in san diego: i was the guy on the patio talking about the acid trip. just for you info.

This is one area where I actually agree with the poodle ... which is why I find it even more mystifying that he was an aider and abetter of the Israeli incursion into Lebanon last summer that was certainly a disaster for the ME peace process generally.

As for Syria & Iran, I would tread very warily.  It is, after all, up to Iraqis to decide the fate of Iraq ... which is why we should leave now and why we never should have gone there in the first place. 

Of course, putz will not listen in any event ... .

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· Palestinian peace process 'central to Iraq solution'
· Syria and Iran also have a role to play, says PM

Guardian

Tony Blair made an open plea yesterday to George Bush to recognise that a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict lies at the core of any hopes for wider peace in the Middle East, including Iraq.

In his annual foreign policy speech, seen as a chance to recalibrate Britain's Iraq strategy, Mr Blair said a solution to the conflict was central to a strategy that "pins back the forces trying to create mayhem inside Iraq".

[...]

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329626870-111381,00.html

Judy, I get to see Amy in January. She comes to Tucson all the time but I have always been busy so I have to go all the way to Nashville to see her, lol.

National Conference On Media Reform 

sorry jeanie, was that to me???

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

The version inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial in Boston, Massachusetts reads:

Darfur is a shame.  I know.  if I'm making a point, maybe it would be that I don't see the support required in the public.  And, I don't think military doctrine supports it.  If doctrine did, then those with the farts and darts and gold  shoulder bars would advocate it. 

About the Iraq Study Group ... my hopes aren't very high and neither are Michael Kingsley's/

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What chance Baker's Iraq Study Group coming up with something original? Don't hold your breath

Michael Kinsley
Tuesday November 14, 2006
The Guardian

The Baker commission, aka the Iraq Study Group, is expected to report early next month, and is duly bouncing around, holding hearings and all the things that prestigious US commissions do. Appointed by Congress and co-chaired by James Baker, it's hearing from Tony Blair this week.

Ordinarily, a commission like this has two possible purposes: action or inaction. Sometimes a problem is referred to a commission so that it can recommend what everybody knows must be done, but no one has the nerve to propose. The commission can ram this policy down the politicians' allegedly unwilling throats. If it is bipartisan - and what fun is a commission that isn't bipartisan? - the commission also protects both parties against a stab in the back by the other.

On the other hand, sometimes a problem is referred to a commission simply to get it off the table. Action is perceived as necessary, and the creation of a commission can be made to look like action.

So which is the Baker commission? It's got elements of both. Part of the idea, certainly, was to get the politicians over the hump of the election, and give them something to say in the meanwhile. ("We desperately need new ideas and fresh thinking about Iraq, and indeed the entire Middle East. I look forward to the recommendations of the Baker commission and urge them to interpret their mandate widely and boldly.") And part of the idea is to legitimise some currently unpalatable solution. But the Baker commission may be near-unique in that there is no obvious solution waiting to be imposed. People actually hope that the greybeards will come up with something that no one has previously thought of.

Being a Washington Wise Man does not require much wisdom. Baker has a "conviction", said a columnist on Sunday in the Washington Post, "that Iraq is the central foreign policy issue confronting the US". Wow. Now there's an insight. Actually, it is a nice insight into the Baker mentality - that he can apparently imagine a war that is killing young Americans by the hundreds but is not our central foreign policy issue. Baker also believes that "the only way to to address that issue successfully is to first build a bipartisan consensus". Now that is a conviction you can sink your teeth into. People like Baker always favour a bipartisan consensus. They don't really believe in politics, which is to say they don't really believe in democracy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1947121,00.html

113.

That's possible;)

Devil ... I LOVE your various incarnations ... and enjoy Amy's speech for me!

> On an individual plain.

test    LOL

Genocide by other names ... it's not just Darfur.

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· US and EU have broken Doha pledges, says Oxfam
· Stop Aids claims 75% of HIV patients not treated

Guardian

Poor people are needlessly dying because drug companies and the governments of rich countries are blocking the developing world from obtaining affordable medicines, a report says today.

Five years to the day after the Doha declaration - a groundbreaking deal to give poor countries access to cheap drugs - was signed at the World Trade Organisation, Oxfam says things are worse.

The charity accuses the US, which champions the interests of its giant pharmaceutical companies, of bullying developing countries into not using the measures in the Doha declaration and the EU of standing by and doing nothing. Doha technically allows poor countries to buy cheap copies of desperately needed drugs but the US is accused of trying to prevent countries such as Thailand and India, which have manufacturing capacity, making and selling cheap generic versions so as to preserve the monopolies of the drug giants.

"Rich countries have broken the spirit of the Doha declaration," said Celine Charveriat, head of Oxfam's Make Trade Fair campaign. "The declaration said the right things but needed political action to work and that hasn't happened. In fact, we've actually gone backwards. Many people are dying or suffering needlessly."

[...]

http://society.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329626738-112238,00.html

~threads~

jc, you're the point of the sword!!!!

jc ... always just the right touch ... and I LOVED the horses in dress blues! 

Could you just make one a horse's a$$?

Although I guess that would be an insult to the horse.

Talking Heads  The Girls Want to Be With the Girls   More Songs About Buildings and Food  Sire  0:29:30  

105.

Lieberman will vote for the Democraticc leadership in exchange for keeping his senority in the party which in turns allows him to chair the department of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

Its an exchange at the end of the day the Dems are forced to make. I'd rather have Chafee to but there is one problem with him, Chafee would have voted for Republican leadership of the Senate, as will Collins and Hagel and Luger and the rest of them. The have some good views but at the end of the day they choose to be part of the problem not the solution.

The Republicans had to defend very few vulenerable Senate seats with only 14 in total. Next election they have to defend much more. We shouldn't need Lieberman after 2008 but until then we do.

Nowadays as the lesson of Chafee shows being a Republican in the Northeast generally means a short career. Don't think that lesson is lost on Lieberman.

Alice Cooper  Killer   Killer  Warner Brothers  0:44:39  

110. mprov

Actually, no, I don't remember. LOL. Which night and which patio?

Judy,

I figure we already have one horse's ass too many. 

jessica, sat. me thinks, that off campus bar, surfer atmosphere, small patio, etc.

anyway, .....

Killer Lyrics

[...]

Nothing came easy
Nothing came free
Nothing came all until they
Came after me

Yeah-hey, yeah

Aaahhhhhhhh, aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

(What did I do to deserve such a fate?)
(I gave it everything)
(Now I need to escape)
(Someone near me, calling my name)
(I gave it everything)
(I gave it everything - sigh) [...]

who's the phd guy? african american ivy league, brown or something...he was there. you all looked so shocked...large beer...

Evening all :-)

Jessica - if I want to order more than one ticket and get different size shirts... does that have to be separate orders?

135. mprov

Oh yeah, THAT patio ;-)

OK, I need sleep now. Good night blog.

I figure we already have one horse's ass too many. 

*********

Too true.

**********

A big "oops" for Google.  Deliberate or not ...?

====================

· Video places ancient city in Azerbaijan republic
· Users urged to blitz search engine over 'insult'

Guardian

Google has provoked the wrath of Iran's notoriously suspicious authorities by appearing to question the country's sovereignty over the province of Azerbaijan in an entry on its Google Video website.

In a move tailor-made to wound Iranian patriotic pride and arouse a blizzard of protest, the Azeri provincial capital, Tabriz, is located "in southern Azerbaijan, currently in the territory of Iran". To add insult to injury, the ancient city is listed as being in Azerbaijan, rather than Iran. Tabriz and southern Azerbaijan have belonged to Iran for more than 4,000 years.

The text of a tourist film on the site has drawn accusations that the US-owned search engine is deliberately trying to undermine Iran's territorial integrity by fomenting separatist sentiment in the mainly Turkish-speaking province.

[...]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329625790-111322,00.html

138 Thankful.

Good question...You should be able to add the 2 tickets to your cart seperatly, with seperate t-shirt sizes, but only check out once for the whole purchase. Try it and see what happens. Just in case, make a note in the "comments" section when you check out and I'll make sure you get the right sizes (I'm mailing them myself).

Really going now...

Hmmm, well, whatever works ... because something is going to have to ...

But Israel has no legal authority to continue withholding money that rightfully belongs to the Palestinians.

Genocide by another name ... and it's happening in Palestine daily.

===============

A US-educated microbiologist who used to be president of Gaza's Islamic University is emerging as a possible candidate to head the "national unity" government that Palestinian leaders are predicting will replace the current Hamas-dominated cabinet.

Mohammed Shabir, 60, is being promoted as a compromise "technocrat" who could replace the Hamas leader Ishmail Haniyeh as Palestinian Prime Minister. Mr Haniyeh announced on Friday that he was prepared to stand down if he was an obstacle to the lifting of the economic blockade of the Palestinian Authority.

But Mr Shabir's appointment will probably only happen after further talks between Hamas and the Fatah opposition on the wider composition of a government, as well as the programme it would adopt. Mr Haniyeh and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President, suggested last week that the process could take between two to three weeks.

Israel, which has been withholding $60m (£330m) a month in duties owed to the Palestinians since March, and the international community have insisted that they will only deal with the PA if it recognises Israel, renounces violence and abides by all agreements made by the Fatah-led predecessor authority.

[...]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1981731.ece

Thanks Jessica - I'll try it out :-)

Incorrigible i am ::head hung in acknowledgment::

Brian Eno/John Cale  Been There Done That   Wrong Way Up  Opal/WB  0:03:11  

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/7975

Well, I'll leave you all with a real teaser this a.m. ... have a good one!

============

Woody Allen's famous portrayal of a neurotic sperm in Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex was based on comic intuition rather than academic study. But now scientists claim to have uncovered for the first time the complex workings of the male sex cell.

According to a new study, far from being a relatively insignificant contribution to the sexual act - a simple vehicle for delivering a man's DNA to the egg of a woman - the sperm is the gastronomic equivalent of a six-course meal.

[...]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article1963598.ece

======

 ... love the "relatively insignificant contribution" part ... LOL

Now gone!

Boo!

Oh great, I post something and it doesn't show!

Good Morning Vermontster Mashers,

Some fine day, I'll need to ask how folks ger their pictures in the left side of the screen. I see that Puddle helped Denise figure it out...

Is that Sitka dancing in the video?

Anywho, it seems I've been ending up here after whozitz leaves lately, so I get to miss the flappin from the watchtower. It's just as well my bullsh!t intolerance has been acting up. Now that the election is over, I've essentially been in "Read Only" mode, and it seems I've been reading e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g i can load on my screen.

Nice to see Puddle posting a bunch after all that moving. 

Nice to see that in spite of the wet blanket, we were right about Dean back in 2003. We were just an election cycle ahead of everybody else.

AND GOOD NEWS...

I sang for 2 whole hours today for the first time since I left the hospital. If I can add 30 more minutes by Thanksgiving, I'll be able to complete my holiday season.

w00t! 

LOL - It's past Halloween so yer Boo! didn't scare me :-) Almost time for Gobble, Gobble!

Had to open another account with a different email addy.  Hope everything is fixed tomorrow

Cheryl, if I log into the older threads, I'm logged in.  go figure???  But if I come back to here - nada.

♥ Subway ♥

So glad to hear you're feeling up to being back at work.

I hope some of you listen to and appreciate some of these tunes.  Prey they aren't inappropriate or distracting.

Barbara

is Cheryl the Devil?

  Chicken Cordon Bleus 

Thankful,

When I first went back 2 weeks ago, I could barely sing for 20 minutes, so going for 2 hours  was a good feeling. Your angel healing touch was my cure no doubt. 

JC, Robert, military forces deployed in Dalfur would be no comparison to what we have in Iraq.  It would be a protective force.  We would not be occupying cities or changing regimes.  We were doing stuff like this for the Kurds for years when Saddam was in power.  Military would be only one facet of a plan to change things.  It would not be a long term solution to the problem, only a temporary mission to stop the present slaughter.

Paine, I'm sure she wears Prada!

Nighty night bloggie. 

Subway - the healing power of touch is amazing, eh? Shoulder rubs and {{{{hugs}}}} especially :-)

Paine - yeppers on the Devil, Cheryl signed her post to Luigi upthread...

on the tunes - no can do to listen at mom's, but when on the road I generally play 'em. Thankful to you for posting.

Chicken Cordon Bleus 

Sounds anti-left lol.  The guy just wants the basics.  Great tune. 

Thankful,

Full Snuggle changes everything.

~Full Snuggle changes everything.

Yes, it does indeed. Honored to have it mentioned.

Chicken Cordon Blues.

by Steve Goodman and John Prine 

> It's worth hearing what size might potentially be asked for to complete whatever the mission will be.  And, the supply lines to support  the mission will be substantial.  Will other nations pay for the costs WE accrue?

My knee jerk impulse is to wipe out the group inflicting the mass murder  BTW 

Subway Serenade
Tue, 11/14/06
2:39 am

Well, you do it justice.  Well done.

 BTW the "first time I met you" you were speaking about Edwin so very well...

...and, I didn't know who you were.  LOL  I was proud of you and who you were as you spoke. 

s/b

"when I first met you"

When the heart achieves Full Snuggle it is in effect singing it's Bliss Harmonic. It is my belief that if 5% of humanity can sing this Bliss Harmonic of the heart at the same time the process of physical ascension to Son of Man would gently commence.

We are a lot closer to this than most folks realize. 

Paine,

I loved the way the way this community came together that day. A few of us were gathered, but all of us were there. It was good to meet you. 

5% of humanity singing a Harmonic. 

 Is that likely?  Would  that be because of the sample being so diverse?  What a weapon.  Shake the walls of Jericho.

Subway Serenade

Ya, that day :)  We knew we were there

with Edwin and Puddle.  And, HIS amazing and open actors. 

Witnesses ...for the blog and what it truly is. 

Apparat Organ Quartet 

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/8120

A beautiful day it was.

~Witnesses ...for the blog and what it truly is.
Community :-)

Vienna Art Orchestra  Reflections on Meditation   The Minimalism of Erik Satie  Hatology    2:17:18  

5% singing a harmonic.

The way it seems to be developing, is a cardiofeedback video game of sorts that would be "played" over the internets. I see the actual technologies being incorporated into gaming environments that will be emerging in the next 5 years or so. 

The Guess Who  Proper Stranger   American Woman  RCA  1:29:03  

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/8226

Truth is the Knowledge of of the Love that knows no Comprehension.

 Good night all. 

jc..the whack pic.. ha good god almighty youre friggin funny

Need to get David Byrne involved in the Bliss Harmonic, David.  Sleep soundly.

David Byrne  Tree (Today Is an Important Occasion)   Music for The Knee Plays  ECM  0:54:53  

...from "It's no longer feeling strange"

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/8269

Congratulations ...kimmy

Sleep tight;

Hi Kimmy :-)

Barbara/Cheryl - hope you're able to login ok tomorrow

Night Subway

Night Paine

Night Kimmy

♥ Kindness is free ♥

Thankful2Thankful4
Dean

You barely posted?

Kimmy - it's so fun when they carry low, eh? Take care and enjoy :-)

Night mprov :-)

Night all...

Paine - been bz ordering Dfest tickets, emailing kids... it all takes forever on this pice o' @%^&*#

Supposed to drive tomorrow, shoulda been today... WAY behind

Well, my account doesn't work either, after closing my browser.  Oh, well, I've got a hundred email accounts.

Hi, Kimmy, Thankful (if you're still here), Paine.

Hi jc :-)

Hang in there Kimmy - my first 2 were way, way low - kid3 was high til the last day, could barely breathe... all worth it :-)

Kimmy,

When is your due date?

Night for real...

♥'s to all

Nite, Thankful.  Nite, everybody, I'm sleepy.

Finally! I've spent the last 8 hours trying to figure out why my Print Shop program won't connect with the printer, which prints from other programs. But it's Print Shop that I need for business cards, flyers etc. A computer geek friend was here much of the time and HE can't figure it out. We've tried everything 10 times and it worked once and then not ever again. So I don't know if it's my computer or a glitch in the program which I re-installed 5 times - or a defective new printer. This is certainly not my week for computer stuff, but now the thread is flying on AOL so that's nice.

But I need to do lots of business stuff and don't know where to start. When I click "print" I keep getting sent to the chooser window and the icon is there but it won't highlight and do what it's supposed to, which is move to the other window and then WORK
when I click the OK button.

Does anyone here have print shop?

Exhausted and disgruntled. I want a horse and buggy.

If I still drank, this would be a triple brandy day!!!! I wanted to throw the computer and the printer on the floor.

Darfur - See the movie "Hotel Rwanda" before making decisions about whether or not we should be stopping the genocide. But then, we can't stop the putz genocide in Iraq.

Time to go and try to relax.

Be well.

Is Howard's b'day THIS week? Yikes, he'll never get a card in time and now I'm swamped with appointments and this *&*^%^$ printer problem.

Instead of getting a new MAC, should I just have this one upgraded with all the bells and whistles? I love my mac.

Brandy and tranquilizers - sound yummy - no can do so I'll try to mediate a bit.

Yikes, I just checked my email. What happened to NYC or Denver for DemFest?

http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/8636

Manchester, NH!  Wow.

Good morning, everybody

The new software doesn't let Monica log in.  This address seems to work.  Must see if it works on Opera, as well. 

Well, I'll be.......

It likes JR, just doesn't like me.

King Crimson

CD: In the Court of the Crimson King
Song: "Epitaph (Including March For No Reason and Tomorrow and Tomorrow)"
Label: Discipline Us

Former N.Y. Times reporter decries Bush policies

Liberties suffer, secrecy grows, reporter tells K-State crowd

 http://www.cjonline.com/stories/111106/kan_miller.shtml

MANHATTAN -- Judith Miller, a former New York Times investigative reporter

~Miller said ..."More than 15 million documents were classified last year," she said, explaining that translates into 125 documents a minute. "It's intimidation by classification."

~

"People need to know what the government is doing in order to debate," she said.

Miller said the American media, however, give the federal government reason to doubt its motives and competence each time it is discovered that an article is plagiarized or gossip is reported as fact.

The blurring of entertainment and news and the relaxing of journalistic standards can be seen in online bloggers who are critical of people without giving them an opportunity to respond or who don't post corrections when they learn that what they have posted is wrong, she said.

"I'm worried about bloggers," she said. "(A post) starts as a rumor and within 24 hours it's repeated as fact."

http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/#crimson

paine

I appreciate your assessment of reluctance on Darfur, and you might not be aware that the conflict has spilled into another country now.

spreading instability caused by arab fighters may in fact be worthy of concern

logistics is our strength

diplomacy to initiate local alliances our weakness but if the Russians had been behind it 20 years ago we would have gone and is the need to confront our current enemy less pressing?

kimmy

love at ya

if I get it figured out, I'll post Mina the calf, if I can get her to stand still, she's a frisky one

I detected a great deal of fear and anger....

What you are sensing Phil is your own moral inconsistencies showing. 

You would send WalMart kids off to die for your own morals in Darfur, but not your son, who is learning six languages ..your son is far to important to go do something like that.  After all, well he will do other great things since he is learning six languages.

But WalMart kids...heck send them.  And when they die and they will in Darfur in large numbers you can tell their parents "I was offended by the deaths in Africa and that is why your son/daughter/father/mother died.  My stay at home son will always be proud that they were part of his generation".

 I showed your post to a bunch of people at chow..."What would he tell Casey Sheehan's mom" was a common discussion....I'll think about a possible conversation and post it.

As for "I never said send troops"....what are you going to use when the tribes in Africa dont stop fighting after you ask them to...

Ah I see DO WHAT CLINTON DID in Ruwanda...use harsher words.

The phoneis of the anti war left.

Lots of morals and lots of courage in sending other kids to die for them!

Robert

"I'm worried about bloggers," she said. "(A post) starts as a rumor and within 24 hours it's repeated as fact."

Yes, well, that pattern was set by the journalists who report as fact that someone said such and such, without ever bothering to check whether that someone was lying.

Miller herself was guilty of that. She repeated what her "sources" told her and never realized she was part of a gigantic disinformation campaign on the pre-war conditions in Iraq.
People who live in glass houses.........

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/18326...

How it Happened...the Democratic takeover was the product of real Party reform by Scott Goldstein
Published Tuesday, 11/14/06 @ 1:42 am



There has been a lot of talk in the last couple of days about the macro factors that were at play in the midterm elections. The Democratic takeover was certainly due in large part to discontent over the Iraq war and the culture of corruption in Washington, but it would be a mistake not to acknowledge the massive changes that have taken place in the Democratic Party over the last two years

follow me below...

Almost two years ago Howard Dean took a stand that many in his own Party considered radical, that the Democratic Party should compete in all 50 states, in every single race from school board to the U.S. Senate. Against a lot of internal resistance he forged ahead with his ’50 state strategy’ and made heavy investments in state Parties. When he took over, the Democratic Party only had a real infrastructure in less than half of the 50 states, and just a year later, every single state had at least 4 time full time Democratic staffers. That investment, not only of money, but of confidence, boosted the Democratic effort around the country. For the first time in more than 30 years in some places, the Democrats went door to door asking Americans for their vote and presenting their plan for a New Direction for America. What they found were thousand of Democrats in red areas who were afraid to say so because they didn’t know there were any other Democrats around! Door by Door stories came in of red state Americans welcoming Democratic Party volunteers with surprise, and relief. In Mississippi Democrats had paid to print their own Kerry signs in 2004 because there was no real Party infrastructure and the campaign had given up on more than half of the country.

There was an ongoing debate in the past year about allocation of resources. Rahm Emmanuel at the DCCC and Chuck Schumer at the DSCC wanted to devote all of the Party’s money and resources to the 2006 effort while Dean wanted to take the opportunity starting in an off-year (2005) to build up the state Parties to ensure not just a majority in 2006, but in 2016. The fight was fierce and confrontational at times, and in the end, deals were brokered. Dean reserved a significant amount of funds for the 2006 effort without sacrificing the Party building. While the DCCC and DSCC were outdoing their Republican counterparts in fundraising, the DNC was still raising significantly less than the GOP. At least that was the story from the insiders. What they forgot to consider was that when Dean went around the country raising money, he was very often raising money DIRECTLY for the State Parties instead of throwing it all to the DNC coffers and then redistributing it. This meant the DNC total looked small in comparison to GOP fundraising, but in actuality they were making a far more worthy investments, and placing a great deal of confidence in local Democratic leaders. Even by the figures that the media kept citing, the DNC was still raising far more than it had under the previous DNC Chairman and setting records for off year fundraising. All this amounted to Chairman Dean being revered and respected by the State Parties and despised inside Washington. He was doing what he’s always been known for, giving power directly to the people.
[...]

paine

I appreciate your assessment of reluctance on Darfur, and you might not be aware that the conflict has spilled into another country now.....................

who cares if it spreads all over Africa...that is not a region that affects The Republic.

When your kid joins and is mounting a rifle and ready to go shove it in the face of some wild eyed pistol waiver in Chad and you are ready for him to come home in a box and say "yeap he diied for  The Republic" then we can talk Phil.

When you have as much on the line in the next generation living and dying in combat as I do Phil, then we can talk.

You are a gooddoes...IE you think of good and have someone else do it.

Robert

Oh, it's fixed. Je suis retournee.

That was really quick. Used the contact us thingy at the bottom of the page.

Hah, I logged out as J.R. and it logged me right back in as Monica. It's so nice to be recognized.

FUNNY FOR THE MORNING -- FROM THE BROWSE ALL PAGE

Information Explorer by JIEHUA GUAN
Published Tuesday, 11/14/06 @ 02:12 am. Linked to Democracy for New York.

Since China join in the WTO,China have became the largest developping business market and internetional country.Many people pay more attention to China. As a american, how to enter and carry out straightly are a key work. There is a effective kind of investment. Don't blunder away.

Website:http://telefunkunecc8.blog.sohu.com

Tue, 11/14/06
1:22 am

you might be confused, but most of us recognie...we dont live in Germany.

LOL

Robert

Phil Specht
Tue, 11/14/06
5:49 am

I wrote in reply to you...

You are a gooddoes..

it should be "You are a good doer"...rest of post unchanged.

 Off to do a little "ground hunting".  Got to hunt from the airplane the other day, but this is a boots on the ground effort

With what you and Kerry think are the "dumb kids" ....

the phonies of the anti war left

Robert.

Hey, I like the part about the saudis complaining that their oil profits will suffer....................

The United States, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, ranked 53rd. Only China, Malaysia and Saudi Arabia did worse.

"We don't have any winners; we only have countries that are better compared to others," said Matthias Duwe of the Climate Action Network-Europe, which released the data at the U.N. climate conference. "We don't have big shining stars."

The index ranks 56 countries that were part of a 1992 climate treaty or that contribute at least 1 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. Together, the countries account for 90 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions.

The calculations by the environmental group Germanwatch took into account emissions levels, emissions trends and climate policy.

About one-quarter of the energy consumed in Sweden in 2003 came from renewable sources -- more than four times as much as the European Union average of 6 percent. In Stockholm, one-quarter of city buses run on ethanol or biogas.

The country with the worst ranking was Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter. Duwe said the kingdom's policies generally block attempts to reduce greenhouse gases.

"If you try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, you will also reduce oil consumption," Duwe said. "So Saudi oil will be in less demand."

Christoph Bals, political director of Germanwatch, said policy had an enormous effect on the rankings. The U.S. could move up 30 spots if its policies were akin to Britain's, he said.

The United States and Australia are the only major industrialized countries that rejected the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which calls for mandatory cuts in greenhouse gases.

The Bush administration's policy on climate change focuses on voluntary emissions cuts by industry and long-term development of clean-energy technology. In rejecting the Kyoto Protocol's mandatory caps on greenhouse gas emissions, President Bush said they would hamstring the U.S. economy, and he complained that poorer countries also should have been covered.

"The president has made dealing with climate change a priority for this administration [and] will continue to," White House spokesman Tony Snow said Monday.

Snow was not asked about the ranking, but other White House officials had no immediate comment.

Hey, and I see all Universities in Irag have been shut down..........not like the good ole days under saddam where education was free...............lovely...............

Gunmen in military-style uniforms have kidnapped more than 100 men from a research institute belonging to Iraq's higher education ministry.

A ministry spokeswoman said the gunmen arrived in new pick-up vehicles and stormed the ministry's Research Directorate in central Baghdad.

They ordered women into one room and seized the men, including employees, guards and visitors to the building.

Academics and researchers have been frequent targets of violence in Iraq.

long war?

go anywhere?

reluctance is weakness, too much on the plate at chow?

Osama is possibly in Sudan, but I forgot al Queda no longer is our worry

it is shia militia, or no wait sunni militia, no baathists or those pesky Iranian sympathsizers

life is confusing for some of the keen minds

old man disease?

penalize me on the kickoff for taunting

Republicans have always been reluctant to provide humanitarian aid.

The Marshall Plan was our greatest success as a country.

Our Tsunami aid did more good in Indonesia than those same assets could ever had done in military roles.

the three billion we will spend in Iraq this week would go a long ways in Africa 

200. seashell

You can submit a proposal or reccomendation for the location of the 5th Annual DF (2008) by emailing info (at) democracyfest.us

We tempoarily took info about submitting proposals for 2008 (and some other stuff) off the website yesterday while trying to fix it...all day...

192 Thankful.

Yup, it's either constant pressure on the blatter or the diaphram for months at a time. Fun stuff. Hang in there Kimmy.

Let's hear it for Ruprecht Bush!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/junior-eats-shit-calls-p_b_34059.html

 Anyone who continues to live under the delusion that President Bush is a competent, strong leader who stands on his own skill and talent needs to seriously re-evaluate his or her concept of strong leaders who stand on his or her own skill and talent. And for these remaining 31 percent who believe President Bush continues to do a heckuva job, I strongly recommend they carefully place corks on all their forks before hurting themselves... and others. That's not to say they're idiots, but this sort of continued support despite the myriad of facts to the contrary is, at best, dangerous.

Meanwhile, for you and me, it comes as no surprise that President Bush, after -- WHOOPS! -- spazzing his way through a pair of bloody wars, has been left with no other option but to call in Poppy's team of proctors to carefully push corks onto the official White House forks. And it's not the first time for the president. His entire life has been an ongoing saga of either using Poppy's influence to avoid trouble or using Poppy to bail him out after eating shit.

What better way to shirk responsibility for an incompetent plan than to hand it to a younger son and watch him foul it up?

The only difference here is that it's his own son that's being sacrificed on the altar of hubris. George the First sent in all his minions, who've been leaving the sinking ship one by one. The only question is when he will be exposed as the architect of the plan to anchor imperial America next door to the Saudi royals.

New thread

New thread

216.

Robert, 

That's a typically stupid response you made, Robert. You know, if you don't have anything worth saying, no one insists that you answer EVERY post. 

You're seeing IMAGES now, huh?  LOL  Good, scroll up more, there's one you'll enjoy.