Howard Dean is first.

Hi, Phil--

In case you missed it, the Howardly is back up on Hannah.  I edited the page myself.  LOL

[H]owever, the audience was riveted as Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the guest speaker at the $175-a-plate dinner, stood on the podium and began the customary round
of recognition of candidates and incumbents in the room. When he got to Mr. Lieberman, who is his mentor in the Senate and who helped recruit him to speak at the event, the applause again was muted.

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate."

http://vichydems.blogspot.com/2006/04/joe-lieberman-barack-obamas-mentor-in.html

Thats why I don't get all happy go lucky about Obama.  

The news should be all about the crook Libby. But since no one strong-armed Jefferson from resigning earlier - that's what's in the news. Nice going, Dems.

As I said earlier, I think Obama would be happier as a Republican, if the party

weren't so messed up. 

3. TTT - I think it would be a great idea if you posted the Obama article about once a week here. LOL!

Al Gore.

A black criminal is always going to get more coverage than a white convict.  

That's an historical fact.

I spent months deducing that the early leaders of Gainesville after the civil 

war were for the most part black because their names, even when they 

won elections, never showed up  in the papers.  The only thing in the papers'

archives were stories of black criminals and bandits.  Even the papers people

saved in their attics and donated to the library only had stories of black criminals,

no white crooks.  Those papers must have gotten thrown out because the 

court records did identify some. 

Sorry, forgot to change browser.

Thunder storms rolling in.

Thats why I don't get all happy go lucky about Obama.  

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I wont vote for him.......rd has some major damage control here...........

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teatimetim NE Ohio
Tue, 06/05/07
1:12 pm


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Thats why I don't get all happy go lucky about Obama.
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That's happening not the first time in Presidential elections...

You'll be choosing "lesser evil" anyway while been not "all happy" about him. And then they'll tell you how "we are safer now" or how senator Lieberman "cares about the working families of America".

"Progress" and sela-vi (spell) at the same time..., all over again..., lol

I see that teatime’s not all happy go lucky about him and Mike won't vote for Obama, who said on April 3, 2006 that he knew some in the party had differences with Lieberman and that he and Lieberman don't agree on everything,  but that Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families.

I’ll steer you to a preferable candidate: Al Gore.  On June 19, 2006, he said he’s not involved in the primary, but that "Joe is my close friend, Joe and Hadassah are close to Tipper and me and it would be very difficult for me to ever oppose him. But I don't get involved in primaries typically. He's a great guy and he's right on a lot of other issues."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/06/19/gore_refuses_to_back_lieberman.html

Tom Bearse
Tue, 06/05/07
1:48 pm
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im certain rd can defend Obama by himself..........what you post is correct, however if someone if gonna save this "armed madhouse" from itself it will be Al Gore and not Barack Obama.........

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Tom Bearse
Tue, 06/05/07
1:48 pm


I’ll steer you to a preferable candidate: Al Gore. On June 19, 2006, he said he’s not involved in the primary, but that "Joe is my close friend, Joe and Hadassah are close to Tipper and me and it would be very difficult for me to ever oppose him. But I don't get involved in primaries typically. He's a great guy and he's right on a lot of other issues."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/0...
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That's btw very good point too.

I'd like very to hear from Gore himself the evaluation of HOW and WHY (if any) his current attitude toward this "good man" has changed.

I'd like very = I'd like very much

hahaha, my firstie is from my daily check of browse all last night, I just got here now

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I have a new first place, for person I would like to share a dinner conversation, by bumping into Andre Codrescu of NPR fame who is in our town filming a TV show on the Mississippi River and had traveled up with a film crew from Baton Rouge. Got a chance to visit with him a few minutes. Long enough to find out he is a Gore fan club member. Like me he thinks it will take the very best person Democrats have to repair the damage done by Bush, and Gore has the experience to maybe succeed. And he too is of the belief that Al will enter the race in the fall. Cool guy. It was my lucky day to spend ten minutes talking politics with a voice i admire on the radio.

it amazes me how people can support  Joe Momentum. ICK ICK ICK ICK ICK...

Most certainly one of the many reasons why I am not into Obama.

But, this is contradictory, Joe was AL's V.P choice-- I still can't figure that one out. But, none the less, I love al.

Last thread was on DFNYC fundraiser evening. I was there!  it was cool, first time I met Jim Dean. I MUST SAY-- he does not photograph well AT ALL-- he looks much thinner in person. Same for Al Gore.   Wish I caught up to Norm siegal at the event, he is great. 

http://codrescu.com/

Chris, what I love about pictures of DFA gatherings are the Dean smiles, we all have them when we get together.

Andre Codrescu would be a good Blog Book Club guest. He is one of us.

Hillary(ous) thinks we're safer because we invaded Iraq

Obama thinks Joementum is a decent guy.

They're both so full of --it!

John, didn't you just support an Al Gore candidacy one thread ago?

right on a lot of other issues

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which of course implies wrong on the big one

Phil wrote "which of course implies wrong on the big one."

Regarding which Obama and Gore are known to also agree.

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Tom Bearse
Tue, 06/05/07
2:05 pm


John, didn't you just support an Al Gore candidacy one thread ago?

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I for one to support even now on this thread..., but nevertheless I'd like to hear from Gore what he thinks about Jomentum today.

Obama would complement Gore as a running mate.

ChrisNYC
Tue, 06/05/07
1:57 pm

Tom Bearse
Tue, 06/05/07
1:48 pm

I'm did not like Al in the 2000 election.  I dislike Lieberman more.   But I believe Al has gone through a transformation of self.  I don't think al is the same man he was even three years ago.  Like Bobby Kennedy he has had a transformation and that is what makes him more appealing to me.

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Huron John
Tue, 06/05/07
2:02 pm

Hillary(ous) thinks we're safer because we invaded Iraq

Obama thinks Joementum is a decent guy.

They're both so full of --it!
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You know who seemingly is not "full of --it"?

Gravel! It is too visible even though CNN were trying shut him up. His couple of words worth hundreds from others..., lol.

Gravel 2008! (if not Gore!)

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teatimetim NE Ohio
Tue, 06/05/07
2:11 pm


...he has had a transformation and that is what makes him more appealing to me.
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I hope so too...

teatime wrote "I don't think al is the same man he was even three years ago."

Do you think Obama and Gore are the same men they were one year ago?  That's the time frame of the Obama quote you cited, and the Gore quote I cited. 

Tim

I agree, Gore would be a much stronger candidate now, and he won the last time.

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Phil Specht
Tue, 06/05/07
2:10 pm

Obama would complement Gore as a running mate.
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Obama will complement anyone..., he has very complimentary personality..., he IS complementing "saint" Joe already..., lol.

Anyone who has not modified his position on Iraq as events have gone south isn't Presidential material.

About the only two I know are McCain and Joementum, besides Bush.

former
Tue, 06/05/07
2:14 pm

      I completely agree with this.  Gravel is an interesting character, and quite a maverick as well.

phil 19-- Dean smiles! YES YES. Exactly!!!! :-)

Tim-- yes transformation, growing, very important. Stay the course, very bad, as we all know.

CARL BERNSTEIN ON HILLARY CLINTON - Charlie Rose - just started west coast - southern oregon PBS

I have no idear why my formatting keeps getting messed up. UGGGHHHH!

Joe has one of the most distinguished civil rights records. (to balance all the bad things I have said about him) 3/4 of his votes or more have been right ones

Gore picked him as anti-Clinton, for distance, plus a chance to improve the vote in swing state Florida.

John Edwards said the other day that rather than pick a VP that was not like him for balance; he would pick someone who would agree with his world vision such that the policies would continue, if something happened to him in office.

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teatimetim NE Ohio
Tue, 06/05/07
2:18 pm

...Gravel is an interesting character, and quite a maverick as well.
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The most importantly, imo, his social views, his believe that to fix the system people must get empowered... He may not exactly know how to do it...., but neither did/does even Dean...,

It'll be discovery "on the go"..., under any president OR without even any..., lol.

Gore/Gravel-2008 (or vice versa!)

Chris

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Dear the Blog Book Club:

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But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor, ( the house, senate think so) 
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

• Congress and the Senate give in and Cindy Sheehan gives up.  
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•  Insurance companies are still ripping off New Orleans
• Vulture Funds continue to swoop down on Third World Countries.  
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I like Grave too.  O.K., thanks for the broswer tip phil!

grave ooppps! Gravel

teatimetim NE Ohio
Tue, 06/05/07
2:18 pm
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TT,

Welcome back as always.........I find it amazing, that in a country that seemingly prides itslef on truth and justice, that we need a "maverick" to basically advertise and disclose the truth about our nations poor choices in foreign policy decisions, lobbying from foreign influences, corporate corruption of politicians and of course catering to the military indiustrial complex........

its odd that many here go along with this charade of charades and are willing pieces in puzzle allowing it to continue..............if men like Gravel, Paul, Kucincich and most likely any Green Party rep, then the rest are just plain liars and a detriment to this demcoracy.

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Phil Specht
Tue, 06/05/07
2:25 pm

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Joe has one of the most distinguished civil rights records. (to balance all the bad things I have said about him) 3/4 of his votes or more have been right ones
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Very true!

His record as indeed for many other "professional" Demos IS about how to "balance all the bad things"...and PRESENT (SELL) it to voters as good ones..., lol.

cnn covering the jefferson fiasco. the guy from the new orleans newspaper in as much said all the business dealings he tried never got to fruition. never made a penny. then the feds set him up with the $100,000 and they found $90000 of that in his freezer.

why is delay not in prison?

Hi Folks,

Thunderstorm heading my way, so just a quick hello.  Yes, Gore is definitely the best candidate.  I thought it was interesting that he told Keith Olbermann that he wasn't very good at politics.  Given the Orwellian atmosphere and language, that's may be a plus, actually definitely a plus.

Howard Dean has tremendous talent and energy to inspire as well and has a presence that is very charismatic.  Gore/Dean, what a ticket.  

Just watched the back story on DVD on Memoir of a Geisha.  The music created by John Williams, the set creating a Japanese town in the 30s, Istak Perlman and Yoyo Ma in the orchestra, the costumes, the scriptwriting, the cinematography,  the choreagraphy, the acting and dancing, all genius quality.  We have such extraordinarily talented people in this country and the world, why oh why do we have such dangerously incompetent and benighted fools in our government?! 

woodward and bernstein have become dc whores.

they peaked at watergate. scum.

We have such extraordinarily talented people in this country and the world, why oh why do we have such dangerously incompetent and benighted fools in our government?! 

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Pat,

We had one in JFK.........but you said it best, i think many if not most in government are fools......of course they get top notch health care and vacations...................and dont do a decent days work..................

lindab

 Bernstein is much less the enabler than Woodward has become.

I think it is hysterical that Tom is trying to frame an argument of Al Gore NOT endorsing Joe in his primary vs Barack Obama who DID endorse him.



"Gore Refuses to Back Lieberman
Interviewed on Bloomberg TV, Al Gore refused to endorse his former vice presidential running mate, Sen. Joe Lieberman (C-CT), in his re-election race.

Said Gore: "I am not involved. I typically do not get involved in Democratic primaries. Joe is my close friend, Joe and Hadassah are close to Tipper and me and it would be very difficult for me to ever oppose him. But I don't get involved in primaries typically. He's a great guy and he's right on a lot of other issues."

Of course, Gore did get involved in the 2004 Democratic presidential primaries and backed Howard Dean over Lieberman."

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"[H]owever, the audience was riveted as Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the guest speaker at the $175-a-plate dinner, stood on the podium and began the customary round
of recognition of candidates and incumbents in the room. When he got to Mr. Lieberman, who is his mentor in the Senate and who helped recruit him to speak at the event, the applause again was muted.

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate."

http://vichydems.blogspot.com/2006/04/jo...

linda b
Tue, 06/05/07
2:46 pm

       While I agree Delay, as well as many others ought to be in Jail, that doesn't excuse the criminal actions of Jefferson.

Sad that CNN and other have latched onto that, and I'm quite sure the timing was being use for maxium effect.

I got Andre Condrescu's email, I'll see if I can get him to blog with us sometime, without bothering Chris with setting up an official book club, the link I gave up thread gives you a chance at buying his latest book, which I am sure would be worth the cost. His politics would fit this crowd. bbl

Actually, had I been blogging this morning I wouldn't have run into him so maybe there is a message there to get out more.

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linda b
Tue, 06/05/07
2:47 pm

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woodward and bernstein have become dc whores.
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He wrote a book on her. That and another book are reviewed today in NY Times

don't know about dc whores, but he makes a good point that there should be biographies of all candidates to read. Also, between Bush I and II and Clintons, if we are headed for dynastic presidency, we better make the right choices.

His biggest complaint is that her biggest drawback is being "not authentic" but thinks she has the ability to be authentic.

She voted for Goldwater, but worked for the most left-wing law firm in Arkansas. He's very critical, but also very admiring about some things.

Very interesting, very funny interview. Still watching.

Bernstein says his own mother (died 3 years ago) campaigned for Hillary "opened her mail" - but did not get any information from her as a source.

What Jefferson did may or may not even be against the law depending on whether he used his office, and it involved Government business. Innocent until proven guilty. (although he did take the bait) They desperately needed a corrupt Democrat to balance out all the corruption in the Republican ranks and were fishing hard.

 He's very critical, but also very admiring about some things

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Fred I saw the interview last night. I have about the same take on Hillary as he does.

and there is a new thread where lurkers sometimes first..., hahaha

Bernstein interviewed 200 people to write the book. Talked to her first boyfriend. She had good leadership and mediation skills in college and graduate school, suggests she lost lots of that.

Monica I hate G'ville -- when I was very young I moved there from Atl as a young wife and found it such a cow town compared to Atl. That prejudice has never left me. We used to go to Gator games in the sun dressed in suits!! This was the late 60's. Must say they have a superb classical radio station however, considering all we get down here is c o u n t r y. My little town, my brother says he remembers a sign 'Blacks must be out of town at sundown.' To this day there really aren't many/any AAs here -- thy iive in a nearby town. My relationship with AAs is complex beyond belief -- someday I'll try to write it down and maybe stick it on my little blog to keep it from being such a Pape shrine.

I STILL like Obama folks. And Gore is not in the race btw.

Pat thanks to your review I'll go put Geisha in my Queue -- for the music if nothing else. I have the first of Ma's Silk Road CD's and it is quite marvy.

Oh! Monica, what I've been cued to lately is Germany espec former E Germany. Which is closer to where you grew up and more culturally familiar perhaps? to you as the South is to me, maybe (not to put words in your mouth). Some of the stuff I've read - espec about the bombing of Dresden. Germans are just nice European folks like us who let a nutcase get into office huh? Something I was reading today about how there was a concert at the Berlin Phil back say '45 and the Russians (who I guess were Allies) were handing out suicide pills to the patrons as they filed out. If I find the link I will link it here. Just goes to show bad guy/good guy is such a relative thing.