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Failed Conservatives Values: Gavin Newsom on Division and Tasmanian Devils
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A house divided against itself cannot stand. Abraham Lincoln

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
The likes of Bill O'Reilly and Newt Gingrich have long railed against 'San Francisco Values' as a cause of America's ills. I sat down with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom at the Netroots Nation Conference in Austin, Texas to talk about conservative values. Gavin articulated the case for how the conservative value of division has failed. He listed case after case of failed results and finally likened conservative values to schizophrenic and bipolar Tasmanian Devils.
Failed Conservatives Values: Gavin Newsom on Division and Tasmanian Devils
Edwin: I’ve been asking people how conservative values have failed. I’m wondering what your thoughts are.
Gavin: I guess I’m all about evidence and results. Let’s take a look at the evidence of the last eight years, where you had a Republican Congress and a Republican President, and a conservative agenda, that was being carried on every talk show and almost every single cable news network that reconciled the fact that they needed to be more conservative in order to justify a market share in terms of an audience.
What you have are the largest deficits in the history of mankind, a debt that has grown exponentially. You have income disparity, the likes of which we have never seen, and never could have imagined coming out of World War II, where we had a vibrant middle class.
You’ve got jobs that are being outsourced overseas, and you’ve got all sorts of issues of insecurity at home which relates to energy costs and the challenges associated with people trying to live the American Dream by keeping their home, let alone affording to purchase a home.
You’ve got stagnant wages. You’ve got health care crisis, the likes of which none of us could have imagined ten or fifteen years ago – 46.6 million Americans without health insurance, and tens of millions more who can barely make ends meet keeping their existing insurance, and then those who have insurance, questions about the efficacy and the value of that insurance.
We’ve got an environmental policy that is an embarrassment to this country and its values. We’ve always been on the leading and cutting edge of environmental stewardship. We’re no longer the pacesetter in the nation and the world. And so in the world we are looked down upon, not looked up to, as we have historically been looked up to.
So I don’t know. That’s a pretty damning record. And we’re fighting two, arguably three wars with no ends in sight. We’re spending at a degree that our great-grandkids are going to only be asked to reconcile this.
And there’s less confidence and less security in people’s minds. And that’s the record, it seems to me, of this conservative movement and conservative agenda that has been forced on us and advanced in the last decade. It’s pretty dismal, from my humble perspective.
Edwin: What is their underlying values that is causing that?
Gavin: Well, I come from the City of San Francisco, where people are pretty focused on the things that unite us, not on our differences. And it seems to me that one of the precepts of the conservative movement as it relates to the political manifestation of that movement is to divide, to focus on the things that divide us, not the things that unit us. To pit one group against another group. That we’re in this, because one group has forced us into it – there’s a notion that we’re not all in this together. That our strength is not our composite.
So I see the manifestation of the conservative movement as a very divisive manifestation, and I think it has done a tremendous amount of harm. I also find it wonderfully ironic that you have a conservative movement that has morphed into being involved into making personal decisions, from being involved in the Terry Schiavo case to decisions about who you can marry, to decisions about whether you are given the freedom to choose.
These don’t seem very consistent with the words – the actions of the conservative movement seems to be inconsistent with the words of the conservative movement. And certainly, you’ve seen government used as a blunt instrument, in some cases, and then completely abandoning in other cases.
I mean, where you need government is in catastrophe and emergency. I mean you don’t need the free markets to respond to a crisis. But you saw Katrina as a sort of extrapolation of this conservative value that “well, you’re on your own. Use your credit card, get in your Winnebago, and be on your way”.
Of course, that notion obviously needs to be abandoned and discounted. So, it’s been immeasurably frustrating, and I'm one that's very well-loved and embraced by the conservative movement by, you know, Michael Savage in the Savage Nation that takes some shots almost without exception almost every week, and Lou Dobbs, the new version of conservative values, sort of using the independent moniker to advance some of his perspectives and his values and beliefs.
And of course, the work that Fox News has done so mightily. I’ve seen their standard-bearer in Bill O’Reilly pontificate every single day. It’s kind of now becoming almost a caricature of these guys, and there’s a weakness, because people are not immune to demanding results. People are smart enough to say “where’s the evidence of success?”, and that’s really an extraordinary thing, because this was the dominant movement in our country for a number of years.
But they just didn’t produce results. And now people are turning the page to Barack Obama, or turning the core and reflecting that. And arguably, now, deciding that they’ve had enough and are going in a different direction.
At the end of the day, we must go forward with hope and not backward by fear and division. Jesse Jackson
Failed Conservative Values Metaphor: Gavin Newsom - Schizophrenic Tasmanian Devil
Edwin: What would be a metaphor for failed conservative values?
Gavin: Well, you know, for me, more of a Tasmanian Devil. There’s no rhyme or reason. It’s quixotic. One day it’s small government, and no government intervention. The next day it’s big government. Absolute government intervention
It’s almost a bipolar movement. Or schizophrenic movement perhaps best describes it. I don’t know that the conservative movement knows what it is. Is it about values? Or is it about government, or is it about governing? What is the core construct? What are the core values? I don’t know that the movement even knows. I don’t know that Rush Limbaugh knows, and he, of course, parrots it more than anyone else. And I think that people are just fed up with the blowviation, and they are actually interested in results.
I find myself. . . hoping a total end of all the unhappy divisions of mankind by party-spirit, which at best is but the madness of many for the gain of a few. Alexander Pope
Divide and Rule at Wikipedia
In politics and sociology, divide and rule (also known as divide and conquer) is a combination of political, military and economic strategy of gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. In reality, it often refers to a strategy where small power groups are prevented from linking up and becoming more powerful, since it is difficult to break up existing power structures.......
Some Questions for Discussion:
- How have conservatives used division to gain power?
- What are the harmful effects of the value of division?
- Is 'We're all in it together' the opposite value to division?
Failed Conservative Values Project
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What Are Progressive Values? Documentary Project
http://ProgressiveSpirit.com
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Poll: What's the worst conservative movement trait?
( ) blowviation
( ) being quixotic

hi susan
I lived in Burnie, tasmainia for 5 or 6 months. Worked in a cheese factory there.
here are Tasmanian Devils in action.
- They sure do know how to grunt, whine and run around in circles.
By Susan Rowe on Aug 8, 2008 7:55 PM EDTWhat do they smell like? How do their Mothers treat them?
- Maybe conservatives think they are doing the correct thing?
By dog soldier on Aug 8, 2008 7:44 PM EDTA two parter....
Just a counterpoint or how the conservative movement views the world...
Let's suppose your goal was to beat government down so much in word and deed that the government is incapable of doing anything correct.
View the results form Katrina, Iraq and Afgan and tell me the actions weren't planned!
It is easy to say that it would be impossible to plan and execute such incompetence deliberately...but suppose this was the purpose?
In the end, people distrust government more then ever. Maybe not yet. Bush has time to work on it. Let’s suppose the goal was to run the price of oil up to obscene levels so oil executives and buy back stock and guarantee themselves a lot of performance money because the stock price went up. How to do that? I know, invade someone no one likes, pull their oil off the market, make everyone mad, drive the volatile next door neighbor to threatening what we threaten him with and whatdoyouget?
Uncertainity, fear which drivers up the price of oil.
What else? Oh yea, convince the sheaples to drill in ocean floors and wildlife refugees and ignore the leases already purchased. The promise of future supply is guaranteed to keep the money flowing as well as taking the unused lease land out of the equation.
The wars allow the largest defense budgets in history, most for toys that aren’t needed in numbers that can’t be justified if they were needed. Hire so many companies without any accounting or transparency requirements. This shovels billions of dollars into the pockets of a few which generate nothing but huge deficits.
To do this, a paid-off press is needed. They are owned by companies that have financial stakes in keeping the incompetence going.
Who says conservatives failed? They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
yes, it all depends on how you measure failure. From what point of view your taking the measurement.

...Score another win for the internet exposing the ugly underbelly of transactional politics at it's worst. A SoCal Blogger started rolling his camera when Gavin Newsom parked his SUV in a fire lane for a meeting at Starbucks. It didn't take long for Carla Marinucci to notice the person he was meeting with, DLC Strategist Garry South....
... Just who is Garry South? He's known by many names: "The King of Mean", "Mouth from the South", "Master of Sleaze", and, of course, he's been labelled part of "the current underbelly of American politics." All glowing reviews of a political hit man. But it's been argued that we need a few more political hit men in the Democratic Party, and I'm not sure I would dispute that. But we don't need Garry South. In fact, Garry South and his DLC fellow travelers like Dan Gerstein are at the root of all that ails the Democratic Party....
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