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Though President Bush attempted to reassure the American people that help had arrived today, the situation in Louisiana is not improving quickly. More than 10,000 people are feared dead as survivors of Hurricane Katrina wait out their fourth day in the city waiting for rescue.At Charity Hospital, New Orleans' largest public hospital, the staff coped with the food and water shortage by giving each other intravenous drips of sugar solutions just to stay alive to care for their patients.
The Superdome, which was supposed to be the "safe" place where residents could evacuate, has turned into a chaotic and disorganized mess that has become dangerous to the evacuees:
Keith Brooks left the Superdome two days after he arrived.
"It wasn't fit for a dog in there," he said.
The food was "slop." Officials threw bottles of water for people to catch, he said. He recalled sick, elderly people being ignored and said he saw a 14-year-old girl being raped.
Violence has has escalated on both the sides of the law as the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, made it clear that looters faced the very real possibility of being killed:
"These troops are battle-tested. They have M16s and are locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."
Blanco's draconian response may be due in part to desperation on the part of the police force. Reports state that approximately a third of the New Orleans police force deserted their jobs after the hurricane, leaving the remaining officers short of men and quickly overwhelmed. On CNN, a frustrated officer recounted the tug of war going on between the strained police force and those needing help:
"People want help, so we try to help them. We don't get there fast enough, so they shoot."
The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, throwing aside the usual political back-patting, has made several emphatic pleas on behalf of his residents:
"I need reinforcements. I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. Now get off your asses and fix this. Let's do something and let's fix the biggest goddam crisis in the history of this country."
"This is a national disaster," he said. "Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get it here to New Orleans."
Bush's response today to a woman in Biloxi, Mississippi who had lost everything... "Hang in there."
Did you all just see what happened at the Hurricane relief concert on tv? Maybe I am getting a delayed broadcast and you already discussed it. The black guy (I don't know what he is famous for) with Michael Myers talking about racism, stuff from the blog, how Bush doesn't care about black people...then the cut him off. It was too late. He got it out. He kind of rambled which only made me listen more because his voice was so emotional and kind of quivering. He must have been the only one not going by the teleprompter.
Whoever he is, I am SO PROUD OF HIM FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!!!
Whoever he is, I am SO PROUD OF HIM FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!!!
He brought up the thing we have been talking about how 'black people loot, and white people shop' and how these people went 5 days without food and water and what did they expect when no one came to help.
He said how the guard was given permission to shoot them (black people) and how George Bush does not care about black people.
He is my hero tonight!!!
He said how the guard was given permission to shoot them (black people) and how George Bush does not care about black people.
He is my hero tonight!!!
The Dean Family , the Second Continental Congress and Common Sense, and America's Providencial promise are right up there^
Well, Tucson raised 300,000 so far in the past few days just through Redcross and at least half that through Worldcare and probably another 100 G in supplies being flown out. I donated a bunch of cases of water and some cash today. Plan to volunteer helping them sort and pack all the donations this week.
Frys stores here aslo collecting money for the relief. They need a sign up though.
Frys stores here aslo collecting money for the relief. They need a sign up though.
I noticed all the people donating today were poor people or lower middleclass. As I said earlier, a homeless man donated his last 20 cents, all in pennies, to the Redcross.
Its not just black people, Bush does not care about anyone...just look at the people he has murdered in Iraq......and he brags about what a good thing the US has done in that country.
Aaron Brown just showing the headline in "The Daily News"
"SHAME ON US" (for not being able to provide comfort to tens of thousands of people any sooner than we have)
"SHAME ON US" (for not being able to provide comfort to tens of thousands of people any sooner than we have)
Bush realizes that this "is going to require more than one day's attention."
Oh, well, so much for that...
Oh, well, so much for that...
NY Times reprinted without contradiction Bush's false claim that nobody "anticipated the breach of the levees"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509030001
or click my name
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509030001
or click my name
Governor Dean, Cindy and the people of New Orleans are first.
LAST: "Faith based" engineering, science, and public policy used by the Bush administration to protect us from flooding of the levees in New Orleans.
LAST: "Faith based" engineering, science, and public policy used by the Bush administration to protect us from flooding of the levees in New Orleans.
The photo-op pResident
blog damn him
and the media that props him up like a Dali crutch
A lady told me today that she was sure the local or network boob-tube wouldn't interupt her soap opera. She'd seen dubya enough already today. G@d, and didn't they do just that?
Sh was so pissed.
blog damn him
and the media that props him up like a Dali crutch
A lady told me today that she was sure the local or network boob-tube wouldn't interupt her soap opera. She'd seen dubya enough already today. G@d, and didn't they do just that?
Sh was so pissed.
vb wrote on September 2, 2005 11:10 PM:
Cheney is non che. Where the heck is he?
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My husband and I were wondering about that yesterday. Remember when he disappeared after 9/11?
Cheney is non che. Where the heck is he?
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My husband and I were wondering about that yesterday. Remember when he disappeared after 9/11?
Bush's response today to a woman in Biloxi, Mississippi who had lost everything... "Hang in there."
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As engaged as ever......it helps explain his approval ratings in the 30s.
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As engaged as ever......it helps explain his approval ratings in the 30s.
jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:02 PM:
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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Brilliant jc...as usual :-)
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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Brilliant jc...as usual :-)
One other thing to keep in mind. The people we see on the news are the ones being reached by news cameras. There are others who aren't in contact with anyone. Many don't have news sources or any way to even know whether help is coming.
(This message, like almost every one of my messages in the last couple of days, had to be copied and repasted because the blog's timeout mechanism seems to be in overdrive)
(This message, like almost every one of my messages in the last couple of days, had to be copied and repasted because the blog's timeout mechanism seems to be in overdrive)
jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:21 PM:
One other thing to keep in mind. The people we see on the news are the ones being reached by news cameras. There are others who aren't in contact with anyone. Many don't have news sources or any way to even know whether help is coming.
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I thought about that today when CNN was talking about people trying to get out of their attics. I don't know how on earth there will be an accurate death toll.
On another note, the reporters seem to have gotten frisky. Thank goodness. They're doing their jobs now. About darn time.
One other thing to keep in mind. The people we see on the news are the ones being reached by news cameras. There are others who aren't in contact with anyone. Many don't have news sources or any way to even know whether help is coming.
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I thought about that today when CNN was talking about people trying to get out of their attics. I don't know how on earth there will be an accurate death toll.
On another note, the reporters seem to have gotten frisky. Thank goodness. They're doing their jobs now. About darn time.
Calling Dick Cheney......show your face....we're NOT under attack by tare-ists so you can show your face. Help us get through this terrible natural disaster in Nalens. It would be reassuring to see your concerned face.
Where is Cheney? Why, still on vacation, of course Same with Andy Card.
Maybe Cheney is ill? Who knows. It is very strange though. I haven't heard one journalist ask the question.
Is it true that Halliburton is going to get the non-bid to *rebuild* NO? That would be an outrage.
Is it true that Halliburton is going to get the non-bid to *rebuild* NO? That would be an outrage.
Sorry to note this guys, but My ain't it peaceful here tonight?
Singer Charmaine Nevil tells her story.
She was in her house, with an elderly male neighbor. One entire side of the house blew open and torrents of water came in. They managed to get to the roof of a school. At some point they found a flat boat and began rescuing people, trying to find food and feed people.
Others from outside the neighborhood began to come into their neighborhood.
She says alligators were eating people. Babies were floating in the water. Hundreds of dead people. They helped to rescue some police officers.
She says they understood why the police couldn't help them, but they couldn't understand why the National Guard wouldn't help them. They kept just passing them by.
She had at least two women in wheelchairs. Some of the women in the group were raped by those who came from other neighborhoods to get their food. She finally stole a bus and took as many people as she could to Baton Rouge. She says she wants no one else blamed for stealing the bus. She takes full responsibility.
"and we drove and we drove and millions of people were trying to get me to help them and let them get on the bus." At this point she breaks down crying.
She is now in Baton Rouge, with her very tearful interview being re-aired on the local station.
She was in her house, with an elderly male neighbor. One entire side of the house blew open and torrents of water came in. They managed to get to the roof of a school. At some point they found a flat boat and began rescuing people, trying to find food and feed people.
Others from outside the neighborhood began to come into their neighborhood.
She says alligators were eating people. Babies were floating in the water. Hundreds of dead people. They helped to rescue some police officers.
She says they understood why the police couldn't help them, but they couldn't understand why the National Guard wouldn't help them. They kept just passing them by.
She had at least two women in wheelchairs. Some of the women in the group were raped by those who came from other neighborhoods to get their food. She finally stole a bus and took as many people as she could to Baton Rouge. She says she wants no one else blamed for stealing the bus. She takes full responsibility.
"and we drove and we drove and millions of people were trying to get me to help them and let them get on the bus." At this point she breaks down crying.
She is now in Baton Rouge, with her very tearful interview being re-aired on the local station.
The rescue bus that overturned was at Opelousas, Louisiana (it was a charter bus with evacuees) and one person was killed with 17 others injured.
A woman in conversation said her husband would if he could volunteer to go down the to NO and shoot any looters.
Not those stealing water or ice, and yes, food.
But vengeful righteousness be damned the looter of a TV.
I told her there are a lot of Americans who hate other Americans so much they would shroud themselves in patriotism to kill their brother.
Not those stealing water or ice, and yes, food.
But vengeful righteousness be damned the looter of a TV.
I told her there are a lot of Americans who hate other Americans so much they would shroud themselves in patriotism to kill their brother.
Alligators eating people? Dead babies? This is Hell. Pure and simple.
I call on every decent American, every self-respecting, responsible member of Congress in both Houses to demand the resignation of bush, cheney, and their entire administration. They have failed America. They must accept responsibility for their failure and resign.
Its kind of amusing to hear the monkeys in the Republican party getting on the President for stretching the Guard too thin with the Iraq QUAGMIRE, thus preventing them from responding adequately to the natural disaster in LA......an event that they were trained to confront.......NOT pursuing an increasingly elusive enemy.
We can only hope and pray that the *other half* of this country wakes up and throws the bums out. 59MM ill-informed voters.
vb,
I noticed that about the media, too. My cynical side thinks that they are mostly interested because their physical comforts and safety are also on the line right now, and that once this returns to a semblance of normal, so will they.
Let's hope this is the incident that finally gives us back the media. But someone still pays their salary, and I don't think the revolt will continue when their jobs are on the line.
I noticed that about the media, too. My cynical side thinks that they are mostly interested because their physical comforts and safety are also on the line right now, and that once this returns to a semblance of normal, so will they.
Let's hope this is the incident that finally gives us back the media. But someone still pays their salary, and I don't think the revolt will continue when their jobs are on the line.
LZ XRAY wrote on September 2, 2005 11:34 P
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Guess you missed Trent Lott today on Anderson Cooper. He didn't get the same memo. He and Haley Barbour are still saying how hunky dorey everything is.
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Guess you missed Trent Lott today on Anderson Cooper. He didn't get the same memo. He and Haley Barbour are still saying how hunky dorey everything is.
The coastal section of Mississippi and for quite a ways inland... is flattened! Memo to Haley everything is NOT fine.
And on the lighter side...
A woman who does face-painting during Mardi Gras is now in the Baton Rouge shelter, painting children's faces.
A woman who does face-painting during Mardi Gras is now in the Baton Rouge shelter, painting children's faces.
In 1968, watching the MLK riots on TV, there was a shot of a guy running down the street with his arms wrapped around a television.
My then husband screamed and shook his fist: "Shoot him!!"
I knew my marriage was over. Dead.
My then husband screamed and shook his fist: "Shoot him!!"
I knew my marriage was over. Dead.
Even Fox News is critical now. I'm curious to see how long this will last.
Shepherd is pretty ticked. And he's a Bush spinner.
Shepherd is pretty ticked. And he's a Bush spinner.
vb wrote on September 2, 2005 11:36 PM:
LZ XRAY wrote on September 2, 2005 11:34 P
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Guess you missed Trent Lott today on Anderson Cooper. He didn't get the same memo. He and Haley Barbour are still saying how hunky dorey everything is.
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vb,
Well....they must have rescued the white people from Nalens so I guess they consider it under control.
LZ XRAY wrote on September 2, 2005 11:34 P
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Guess you missed Trent Lott today on Anderson Cooper. He didn't get the same memo. He and Haley Barbour are still saying how hunky dorey everything is.
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vb,
Well....they must have rescued the white people from Nalens so I guess they consider it under control.
A woman who does face-painting during Mardi Gras is now in the Baton Rouge shelter, painting children's faces.
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That's so sweet. I can't fathom how these children are coping but it's nice to have a diversion.
My son is 11. He has seen some of the destruction on tv. I don't want him watching anymore though. He's seen enough. But he wrote an essay about the hurricane today. No one else did.
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That's so sweet. I can't fathom how these children are coping but it's nice to have a diversion.
My son is 11. He has seen some of the destruction on tv. I don't want him watching anymore though. He's seen enough. But he wrote an essay about the hurricane today. No one else did.
LOL, I just checked my Cafe Press shop, and my brother, who has NEVER bought anything from me, has ordered three of the Screw Fallujah bumper stickers. He's an artist who could easily done it himself, AND I would have given them to him if he'd asked.
Shepherd is pretty ticked. And he's a Bush spinner.
And O'Reilly ,with his stupid questions, are ticking him off. Way to go Bushie supporters yelling at each other
And O'Reilly ,with his stupid questions, are ticking him off. Way to go Bushie supporters yelling at each other
I knew my marriage was over. Dead.
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I wonder if Darren Kagan of CNN has severed her relationship with Rush Limbaugh. She gave a scathing commentary today about Bush's political photo op. She seemed genuinely disgusted.
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I wonder if Darren Kagan of CNN has severed her relationship with Rush Limbaugh. She gave a scathing commentary today about Bush's political photo op. She seemed genuinely disgusted.
vb wrote on September 2, 2005 11:41 PM:
Even Fox News is critical now. I'm curious to see how long this will last.
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with Roger Ailes as CEO it ain't a gunna last too long.
Even Fox News is critical now. I'm curious to see how long this will last.
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with Roger Ailes as CEO it ain't a gunna last too long.
vb,
It is hardest on the children. Once they get to real shelters, there are a lot of caring people who think of things like that.
I'm so worried about those still waiting in the water and on the sides of the road. I imagine they will be scarred for life.
My experience scarred me, and I was evacuated away from danger and well-cared for. I can't begin to imagine how they are going to cope.
It is hardest on the children. Once they get to real shelters, there are a lot of caring people who think of things like that.
I'm so worried about those still waiting in the water and on the sides of the road. I imagine they will be scarred for life.
My experience scarred me, and I was evacuated away from danger and well-cared for. I can't begin to imagine how they are going to cope.
vb,
That might be one benefit to Kagan dating Limbaugh. If it comes to a nasty end, it could turn her away from the dark side altogether. LOL
That might be one benefit to Kagan dating Limbaugh. If it comes to a nasty end, it could turn her away from the dark side altogether. LOL
jc, I just hope these children are not forgotten after they are rescued. And I hope they get rescued.
My husband wants to take a week off when Habitat for Humanity start to rebuild in NO and volunteer. Now the kids want to do it as well. Maybe a group of DFA'ers will all go.
My husband wants to take a week off when Habitat for Humanity start to rebuild in NO and volunteer. Now the kids want to do it as well. Maybe a group of DFA'ers will all go.
puddleriver*in*WV wrote on September 2, 2005 11:41 PM:
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A friend of mine told me the story a long time ago of once when he bought a very expensive new carpet for his house. He came home the next day to discover that his son had been chasing his daughter around the house with a squirt gun filled with dye. The carpet was destroyed.
He got so mad at this son that he picked him up and slammed him against the wall... through the wall actually (so now he had to replace the drywall as well as the carpet).
He then stormed off to see his sponsor. When he got there he ranted and raved at his sponsor about what this kid had done.
His sponsor very bluntly said to him that it was obvious that he cared more for the carpet then he did his son.
At this he was enlightened.
This is how we are as a society. We care more about our stuff then we do each other. Property is more important then lives. The accumulation of wealth... no matter what the cost... is more important then our fellow man.
But we all know that is wrong. All of us. Even bush and cheney.
The question is... what are we going to do about it?
Many Americans are likely not watching because they can't stand the pain of the guilt. The rest of us are eaten up with the guilt... even the wingers and certainly the decent Republicans and Conservatives of this nation.
New Orleans is gone and this is America. Refugee camps, Gaza style refugee camps. This is America today. Death by neglect. Death by "other priorities." And Senator Bill Frist, Republican Leader of the Senate, will move ahead attempting to repeal the estate tax for millionaires while the poor of New Orleans... and the surrounding counties that haven't gotten ANY relief or attention yet... die.
Will we become enlightended?
David Brooks seemed to think so. I hope he is right.
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A friend of mine told me the story a long time ago of once when he bought a very expensive new carpet for his house. He came home the next day to discover that his son had been chasing his daughter around the house with a squirt gun filled with dye. The carpet was destroyed.
He got so mad at this son that he picked him up and slammed him against the wall... through the wall actually (so now he had to replace the drywall as well as the carpet).
He then stormed off to see his sponsor. When he got there he ranted and raved at his sponsor about what this kid had done.
His sponsor very bluntly said to him that it was obvious that he cared more for the carpet then he did his son.
At this he was enlightened.
This is how we are as a society. We care more about our stuff then we do each other. Property is more important then lives. The accumulation of wealth... no matter what the cost... is more important then our fellow man.
But we all know that is wrong. All of us. Even bush and cheney.
The question is... what are we going to do about it?
Many Americans are likely not watching because they can't stand the pain of the guilt. The rest of us are eaten up with the guilt... even the wingers and certainly the decent Republicans and Conservatives of this nation.
New Orleans is gone and this is America. Refugee camps, Gaza style refugee camps. This is America today. Death by neglect. Death by "other priorities." And Senator Bill Frist, Republican Leader of the Senate, will move ahead attempting to repeal the estate tax for millionaires while the poor of New Orleans... and the surrounding counties that haven't gotten ANY relief or attention yet... die.
Will we become enlightended?
David Brooks seemed to think so. I hope he is right.
the Pundit class
ssshhh, don't trust their judgement
ssshhh, don't trust their judgement
vb wrote on September 2, 2005 11:43 PM:
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My granddaughter watched a little today as well. She is old enough now. I have guarded her from 9/11 and Iraq for the most part and she is too young still for the reality of this but she is also old enough to start learning about the world around her. The parallels have been striking to me since she is walking through these times at just about the same ages I went through the Vietnam War. She was 7 when bush invaded Iraq. I was 7 in 1968. I don't want her to grow up as fast as I did. I don't remember being that young when my childhood ended in '68.
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My granddaughter watched a little today as well. She is old enough now. I have guarded her from 9/11 and Iraq for the most part and she is too young still for the reality of this but she is also old enough to start learning about the world around her. The parallels have been striking to me since she is walking through these times at just about the same ages I went through the Vietnam War. She was 7 when bush invaded Iraq. I was 7 in 1968. I don't want her to grow up as fast as I did. I don't remember being that young when my childhood ended in '68.
vb ~~ republicans are easy to be tired of, when you get a chance to *really* see them in action. . . And Lord knows what the hell Limbaugh really is, lol!!
What did Brown do just prior to joining the top ranks of FEMA? From 1991-2001, he served as commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association.
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Now, I feel more reassured by his remarks that the poor black people dying in Nalens was their own fault. At first I said what....maybe they couldn't afford a way out. I had no idea that he served in that capacity......as commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Assn.
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Now, I feel more reassured by his remarks that the poor black people dying in Nalens was their own fault. At first I said what....maybe they couldn't afford a way out. I had no idea that he served in that capacity......as commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Assn.
Imn2paine wrote on September 2, 2005 11:40 PM:
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Think outside the box... and never let an opportunity to save the world pass you by.
bush and cheney must be forced to resign. Every decent, self-respecting American must demand it.
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Think outside the box... and never let an opportunity to save the world pass you by.
bush and cheney must be forced to resign. Every decent, self-respecting American must demand it.
.Will we become enlightended?
David Brooks seemed to think so. I hope he is right.
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Thanks Andrew, and that will be my prayer for tonight.
Nite all
David Brooks seemed to think so. I hope he is right.
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Thanks Andrew, and that will be my prayer for tonight.
Nite all
Every decent, self-respecting American must demand it.
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today more than yesterday, dubya is at a low. The current Congress isn't going to impeach with the 2006 election 14 months away.
The good stuff is that I've heard a galvanizing change take place these past few days, while about town. Bush is out of favor.
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today more than yesterday, dubya is at a low. The current Congress isn't going to impeach with the 2006 election 14 months away.
The good stuff is that I've heard a galvanizing change take place these past few days, while about town. Bush is out of favor.
Andrew ~~ I was once puzzled that rapists got two years, and the robber of the 7/11 got 15.
Then I read that the draft of the Declaration of Independence originally read " life, liberty, and pursuit of property" and then I understood.
Then I read that the draft of the Declaration of Independence originally read " life, liberty, and pursuit of property" and then I understood.
Heh! Think outside the box... and never let an opportunity to save the world pass you by. That gets quoted on my blog Andrew!
re: jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:02 PM:
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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I'm not looking to offend, but is anything gained by saying "Screw Fallujah"?
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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I'm not looking to offend, but is anything gained by saying "Screw Fallujah"?
Lenny*in*Iowa wrote on September 3, 2005 12:07 AM:
re: jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:02 PM:
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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I'm not looking to offend, but is anything gained by saying "Screw Fallujah"?
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I'm NOT speaking for jc, but I would say Fallujah is a LOST cause like the rest of that country.
re: jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:02 PM:
Bumper sticker - click
Screw Fallujah - Save New Orleans
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I'm not looking to offend, but is anything gained by saying "Screw Fallujah"?
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I'm NOT speaking for jc, but I would say Fallujah is a LOST cause like the rest of that country.
Another New Orleans story that should be monitored:
Charity Hospital, a public hospital is still laboring under *developing country* (a term used by a nurse there)conditions.
No electricity, no water -- nurses are giving each other iv's to keep hydrated to be able to care for their patients. TThey are hand pumping the machines that keep some of their patients alive.
They've had patients die in the landing area while waiting for medical helicopters to rescue them.
Charity's medical staff watched while non-essential personnel were evacuated from Tulane , a private hospital across the street.
They are STILL waiting for help to get the staff AND their patients out. It is now Saturday morning in New Orleans.
Charity is again, a public hospital.
A travesty.
Cuba has offered assistance.
We should accept. Fidel could probably
get help there faster.
Charity Hospital, a public hospital is still laboring under *developing country* (a term used by a nurse there)conditions.
No electricity, no water -- nurses are giving each other iv's to keep hydrated to be able to care for their patients. TThey are hand pumping the machines that keep some of their patients alive.
They've had patients die in the landing area while waiting for medical helicopters to rescue them.
Charity's medical staff watched while non-essential personnel were evacuated from Tulane , a private hospital across the street.
They are STILL waiting for help to get the staff AND their patients out. It is now Saturday morning in New Orleans.
Charity is again, a public hospital.
A travesty.
Cuba has offered assistance.
We should accept. Fidel could probably
get help there faster.
"Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work"
But, at least everyone can rebuild using the big fat tax cut checks they must have gotten...
But, at least everyone can rebuild using the big fat tax cut checks they must have gotten...
When that concert for the hurricane victims was replayed on NBC at 8p (PT), the comment by that black guy about Bush not liking black people was cut out. He had a few comments but that one was cut out.
I turned the tv off but I was lurking at Kos and a poster wrote about Shepherd Smith and Geraldo Rivera on Fox begging for help for people who are trapped. Apparently, they must be nearby.
puddleriver*in*WV wrote on September 2, 2005 11:41 PM:
I had to chuckle on that one about your ex.
You know, so what if they steal a tv. Think about it. You can get a 19" for $100. If they need a tv that desperately, let them have the d@mn tv.
My neighbors stole $1300 worth of stuff from me to buy a new motorcycle and pay for their drugs. I haven't been able to get anyone to do anything about it.
And in a stress situation people are worried about a stupid tv? I don't get it.
I had to chuckle on that one about your ex.
You know, so what if they steal a tv. Think about it. You can get a 19" for $100. If they need a tv that desperately, let them have the d@mn tv.
My neighbors stole $1300 worth of stuff from me to buy a new motorcycle and pay for their drugs. I haven't been able to get anyone to do anything about it.
And in a stress situation people are worried about a stupid tv? I don't get it.
jc wrote on September 2, 2005 11:30 PM:<<<<<<<<
jc, perhaps the local station would share that
clip with cnn. I have been amazed at their coverage
over the past 2 days.
They are NOT supporting the administration on this.
I believe if they had the story they would air it.
All of America should hear these stories.
Alligators. ... my god.
jc, perhaps the local station would share that
clip with cnn. I have been amazed at their coverage
over the past 2 days.
They are NOT supporting the administration on this.
I believe if they had the story they would air it.
All of America should hear these stories.
Alligators. ... my god.
cHeRyL! wrote on September 3, 2005 12:20 AM
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La! It went much deeper than that, the store that were being burned and looted for the most part belonged to people who'd been screwing the black community for years. Selling really crappy furniture at big prices, huge interest rates, but easy credit. When the furniture fell apart before the payments were ended, they just garnisheed their wages. When I worked for Hot Shoppes, we had kitchen workers being garnisheed by three different furniture stores.
I figured the guy had earned that TV maybe three/four times over. . .
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La! It went much deeper than that, the store that were being burned and looted for the most part belonged to people who'd been screwing the black community for years. Selling really crappy furniture at big prices, huge interest rates, but easy credit. When the furniture fell apart before the payments were ended, they just garnisheed their wages. When I worked for Hot Shoppes, we had kitchen workers being garnisheed by three different furniture stores.
I figured the guy had earned that TV maybe three/four times over. . .
RE: Lenny*in*Iowa on September 3, 2005 12:07 AM:
Fair point. It is, however, only a bumper sticker and not a carefully crafted policy statement. Someone on the New Orleans blog said it, I repeated it here, a sticker was requested, and stickers have been ordered.
I'll move on to others, as I always do.
Fair point. It is, however, only a bumper sticker and not a carefully crafted policy statement. Someone on the New Orleans blog said it, I repeated it here, a sticker was requested, and stickers have been ordered.
I'll move on to others, as I always do.
I have an idear. Pick Bush up. Drop him in the middle of NO, let him get back out on his own.
Maybe he'd end up a little humble?
Maybe he'd end up a little humble?
The nurses are giving each other IV's, hand bagging their patients, and have not abandoned those whose lives depend on theirs.
I am beside myself. All we did in the HIV Clinic today was talk about New Orleans. Our patients are poor and very very sick too. Six have died just this past month. I cannot even imagine what is going on in Charity Hospital. I thought Aaron Brown was going to have a stroke tonight talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Dr. Gupta was saying that every hospital personnel was evacuated at Tulane Hospital, while 200 patients remain tonight at Charity Hospital. Brown went on to say, he could not think of a single explanation for that. Neither can I.
Our country has regressed back to the Civil War and the days before and after its completion. This is unbelievable.
HOMELAND INSECURITY. The new name for our cabinet post.
Teri
I am beside myself. All we did in the HIV Clinic today was talk about New Orleans. Our patients are poor and very very sick too. Six have died just this past month. I cannot even imagine what is going on in Charity Hospital. I thought Aaron Brown was going to have a stroke tonight talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Dr. Gupta was saying that every hospital personnel was evacuated at Tulane Hospital, while 200 patients remain tonight at Charity Hospital. Brown went on to say, he could not think of a single explanation for that. Neither can I.
Our country has regressed back to the Civil War and the days before and after its completion. This is unbelievable.
HOMELAND INSECURITY. The new name for our cabinet post.
Teri
puddle,
Bush is probably at Camp David, resting after his stressful day today.
BTW, Al Gore will in in Portland Oregon next Tuesday, for free, talking about global warming. I cannot wait to hear what he has to say.
Bush is probably at Camp David, resting after his stressful day today.
BTW, Al Gore will in in Portland Oregon next Tuesday, for free, talking about global warming. I cannot wait to hear what he has to say.
Al Gore will in in Portland Oregon next Tuesday, for free, talking about global warming
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If Gore does not run for 2008, I would like to see him moderate the Dem Debates.
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If Gore does not run for 2008, I would like to see him moderate the Dem Debates.
vb wrote on September 3, 2005 12:16 AM:
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I watched Fox and caught both Shepard Smith and Geraldo. Smith was pissed and was hammering away at the incompetence of what was going on. Geraldo it was hard to tell simply because he is always an overly dramatic ass but he was doing the same too. They were both in the city. Smith by the convention center and Rivera on one of the overpasses (or maybe the other way around).
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I watched Fox and caught both Shepard Smith and Geraldo. Smith was pissed and was hammering away at the incompetence of what was going on. Geraldo it was hard to tell simply because he is always an overly dramatic ass but he was doing the same too. They were both in the city. Smith by the convention center and Rivera on one of the overpasses (or maybe the other way around).
Teri, I guess messing with refugees is HARD WERK!!
Teri, those were the nurses Phil was setting up the mail bottled water thingy for.
What does one do when worn out by outrage?
What does one do when worn out by outrage?
jc, I just watched it.
Bless her heart.
I'm writing to Aaron Brown
at CNN right now. He's been strident
in his criticism of the pathetic
federal response to this.
I'm going to try to find the name
of the priest she is speaking with.
He's a bishop, I believe.
I saw him on the news last evening.
Bless her heart.
I'm writing to Aaron Brown
at CNN right now. He's been strident
in his criticism of the pathetic
federal response to this.
I'm going to try to find the name
of the priest she is speaking with.
He's a bishop, I believe.
I saw him on the news last evening.
puddleriver*in*WV wrote on September 3, 2005 12:42 AM:
What does one do when worn out by outrage?
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weep
What does one do when worn out by outrage?
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weep
cChalfonte,
I'm pretty sure that is Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes who was with Charmaine Neville
I'm pretty sure that is Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes who was with Charmaine Neville
Oh, is she related to
Aaron "Tell It Like Is" Neville?
Aaron "Tell It Like Is" Neville?
Thank you all for the b'day wishes. You all being here is my bestest present.
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According to AA, Cheney is on vacation, probably conferring with Halliburton and rubbing his fingers together in anticipation of the profits.
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"Allbaugh was head of FEMA before Brown, and Allbaugh brought Brown into FEMA to be general counsel.
Allbaugh's credentials? Bush's campaign manager in 2000."
Allbaugh then left FEMA,which I think he helped privatize, and became a consultant for businesses who wanted to privatize Iraq.
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We all now need to call for the resignation of Bush/Cheney and it really shouldn't stop there. Can we stand Hastert as prez? Will it really be better with him? Maybe we should do our best to take back and house, and OUR majority leader would be in line - and THEN force resignation. Altho this may take a while...
My future calls and letters will be to demand that they should resign. No more complaints - or not many - just the demand swelling across the states from coast to coast.
We can do it. We must try. Dean needs to lead the way. Dean, Boxer and Feingold need to spearhead this movement. Oh and Cindy as well. We'll do that 2 bird thing - withdraw troops and make the boybiker resign.
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According to AA, Cheney is on vacation, probably conferring with Halliburton and rubbing his fingers together in anticipation of the profits.
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"Allbaugh was head of FEMA before Brown, and Allbaugh brought Brown into FEMA to be general counsel.
Allbaugh's credentials? Bush's campaign manager in 2000."
Allbaugh then left FEMA,which I think he helped privatize, and became a consultant for businesses who wanted to privatize Iraq.
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We all now need to call for the resignation of Bush/Cheney and it really shouldn't stop there. Can we stand Hastert as prez? Will it really be better with him? Maybe we should do our best to take back and house, and OUR majority leader would be in line - and THEN force resignation. Altho this may take a while...
My future calls and letters will be to demand that they should resign. No more complaints - or not many - just the demand swelling across the states from coast to coast.
We can do it. We must try. Dean needs to lead the way. Dean, Boxer and Feingold need to spearhead this movement. Oh and Cindy as well. We'll do that 2 bird thing - withdraw troops and make the boybiker resign.
jc, got it.
I just sent the story to
Aaron Brown.
I'll go ahead and send a follow up
email letting him know who was interviewing
her.
For anyone who may not know it, cnn
has a contact page where you can contact
their reporters individually.
I just sent the story to
Aaron Brown.
I'll go ahead and send a follow up
email letting him know who was interviewing
her.
For anyone who may not know it, cnn
has a contact page where you can contact
their reporters individually.
Aaron Brown is usually so mild-mannered. He's pissed? Good! Has the media woken up or is this just a quick midnight trip to the bathroom?
cChalfonte,
I'm pretty sure Charmaine Neville is Aaron Neville's niece (his brother Charles' daughter)
I'm pretty sure Charmaine Neville is Aaron Neville's niece (his brother Charles' daughter)
No, this has turned. It was already turning slowly but this is a disaster beyond comprehension.
But we can't leave it just to them though. We must not let anyone forget what has happened here. We must demand the resignation of the bush/cheney administration and criminal negligence charges whereever possible.
But we can't leave it just to them though. We must not let anyone forget what has happened here. We must demand the resignation of the bush/cheney administration and criminal negligence charges whereever possible.
Andrew ~~ been doin' that right along. . . .
jc, cool--always loved the Neville Brothers.
The part of her story where she discusses
the young men shooting up in the air--
she says the Nat.Guard copters were flying
overhead but not responding to the SOS signals
that they were giving so the young men thought
that maybe the sounds of the shots would get
their attention.
I think that is an example of the racial divide
A lot of white people are sort of...afraid
(not sure if that is the right word) of black people and they just assume the worst.
It's like that Red Cross director saying they
were told it is *unsafe* to go into New Orleans.
Anyway, she (Ms. Neville) was very credible, very articulate even while she was so traumatized.
I really hope Aaron airs it--he was definitely
focussing on the racial factor tonight.
It's like that Red Cross director saying they
were told it is *unsafe* to go into New Orleans.
oopsie--sorry for the repeat sentence
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Andrew, we'll need the media to be behind a resignation movement. If they go back to Aruba, how can we do this? A petition won't hack it.
Is anyone seeing the bloody and beaten man in the photo on MSNBC?
cChalfonte,
There really is a divide. Even in the reports of "looting" vs. "finding" that Oscar reported. A video on crooksandliars.com shows white uniformed police officers joining grabbing items from Wal-Mart shelves, but nobody takes there example and attributes it to *all* police officers or *all* white people. When one black person does something, it's too easy for the media and the public to generalize it to a whole community. It's the same with the gay community. When someone gay does something wrong, all gays get painted with the same brush. When someone heterosexual does something wrong, it's the individual.
I was kind of wondering how the media would react to a White-sepatist militia person with a gun during a disaster. Something tells me they wouldn't write off the whole area and leave everyone else stranded.
There really is a divide. Even in the reports of "looting" vs. "finding" that Oscar reported. A video on crooksandliars.com shows white uniformed police officers joining grabbing items from Wal-Mart shelves, but nobody takes there example and attributes it to *all* police officers or *all* white people. When one black person does something, it's too easy for the media and the public to generalize it to a whole community. It's the same with the gay community. When someone gay does something wrong, all gays get painted with the same brush. When someone heterosexual does something wrong, it's the individual.
I was kind of wondering how the media would react to a White-sepatist militia person with a gun during a disaster. Something tells me they wouldn't write off the whole area and leave everyone else stranded.
Man was beaten with a lead pipe for asking for a cigarette....
Oh my! I just sent the whole of the MoDo article to Edwin. My spell checker always has to try before anything goes out. Its suggested alternative for "Maureen," which I guess it doesn't know, was "manure" ~~
there example - their example
sepatist = separatist
I may have to give up blogging. I'm ashamed when I reread my recent posts.
sepatist = separatist
I may have to give up blogging. I'm ashamed when I reread my recent posts.
hopesprings wrote on September 3, 2005 12:21 AM:
That is what I have been telling everyone. What good does it do to donate to the Redcross when FEMA will not let them in to help people.
That is what I have been telling everyone. What good does it do to donate to the Redcross when FEMA will not let them in to help people.
They have made me a political activist for LIFE (I probably was before).
Sadness mingled with outrage.
I've got enough anger fuel for my combustion mix to go on for a while.
I need to come here for my love component refresh.
It is gonna take a WHOLE LOT OF LOVE.
Sadness mingled with outrage.
I've got enough anger fuel for my combustion mix to go on for a while.
I need to come here for my love component refresh.
It is gonna take a WHOLE LOT OF LOVE.
puddle,
I get a kick out of the "suggestions" in spell-checkers. In one of my jobs, where I was fairly unhappy with two of the lawyers there, I always got a kick out of seeing suggestions for their names as "douche" and "goofy." Sometimes I would edit the replacement out of my user dictionary just so I could see that pop up again. LOL
I get a kick out of the "suggestions" in spell-checkers. In one of my jobs, where I was fairly unhappy with two of the lawyers there, I always got a kick out of seeing suggestions for their names as "douche" and "goofy." Sometimes I would edit the replacement out of my user dictionary just so I could see that pop up again. LOL
One of my best friends told me that cnn
had been airing the same clip of the same
african american guy stealing a television
yet talking about *all* of this looting going
on.
I didn't see it myself as i didn't start
watching cnn coverage till yesterday.
I believe her, though--being
my best friend and all.
Gays--aren't they the reason for the
hurricane... sinners that they are;)?
had been airing the same clip of the same
african american guy stealing a television
yet talking about *all* of this looting going
on.
I didn't see it myself as i didn't start
watching cnn coverage till yesterday.
I believe her, though--being
my best friend and all.
Gays--aren't they the reason for the
hurricane... sinners that they are;)?
The SENTENCE for those responsible should be to locked in the Superdome for life.
Phil,
I'll leave you with this from Neil...
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far.
So if you look in my direction
And we don’t see eye to eye,
My heart needs protection
And so do i.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To get us thru the night.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To make things work out right.
So if you are out there waitin’
I hope you show up soon,
’cause my heart needs relatin’
Not solitude.
Gotta lotta love
Gotta lotta love.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far
Night blog :)
I'll leave you with this from Neil...
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far.
So if you look in my direction
And we don’t see eye to eye,
My heart needs protection
And so do i.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To get us thru the night.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To make things work out right.
So if you are out there waitin’
I hope you show up soon,
’cause my heart needs relatin’
Not solitude.
Gotta lotta love
Gotta lotta love.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
To change the way things are.
It’s gonna take a lotta love
Or we won’t get too far
Night blog :)
Possibly 10,000 dead. Did you all click on that?
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
jc wrote on September 3, 2005 01:24 AM
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My own suggestion for such problem I know all too well: don't re-read your posts! No more shame!
I would have had to stop blogging after my first post if I had let my shame get the better out of me, LOL.
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My own suggestion for such problem I know all too well: don't re-read your posts! No more shame!
I would have had to stop blogging after my first post if I had let my shame get the better out of me, LOL.
Phil*from*Iowa. wrote on September 3, 2005 01:26 AM:<<
condolence
condolence
jc, aren't they hilarious?
Amazing what one finds on the Internets.
Back in the morning....sweet ones.
Amazing what one finds on the Internets.
Back in the morning....sweet ones.
I may have to give up blogging. I'm ashamed when I reread my recent posts.
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Not to worry, jc. You've been through an awful lot. We thank you for your insights, your bumper stickers and for being you.
I think we are all stressed, but we can generally figure out what you (or anyone else) is saying. Make corrections, sure. Feel bad because you make minor mistakes, fuggetabowdit.
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Not to worry, jc. You've been through an awful lot. We thank you for your insights, your bumper stickers and for being you.
I think we are all stressed, but we can generally figure out what you (or anyone else) is saying. Make corrections, sure. Feel bad because you make minor mistakes, fuggetabowdit.
Our hunting party has a signal for distress, come to aid.
Three shots fired in rapid sucession into the air.
I think it is a universal signal for distress to shoot into the air.
They are idiots.
Three shots fired in rapid sucession into the air.
I think it is a universal signal for distress to shoot into the air.
They are idiots.
seashell wrote on September 3, 2005 01:19 AM:
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We need Congress men and women to make the call too. And a petition isn't enough. It needs to be calls to Senators and Representatives. It needs to be calls to Governors. It needs to be constant and massive. It needs to happen on Sept. 24th and on Sept. 26th and it needs to happen on the floor of the House of Representatives and on the floor of the Senate.
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We need Congress men and women to make the call too. And a petition isn't enough. It needs to be calls to Senators and Representatives. It needs to be calls to Governors. It needs to be constant and massive. It needs to happen on Sept. 24th and on Sept. 26th and it needs to happen on the floor of the House of Representatives and on the floor of the Senate.
They are idiots.
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yep! those bullets have to come down some time. Who knows what or who will be hit by them. Out on a hunt where there aren't many around is one thing, in a city is another.
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yep! those bullets have to come down some time. Who knows what or who will be hit by them. Out on a hunt where there aren't many around is one thing, in a city is another.
I don't let ugly thoughts cloud my mind.
I just let them go.
Rove probably was on the phone arranging for the timing of the convoy to arrive when Bush got done with his vacation and there was this slot on Friday.
like I said...ugly
like maybe race still matters to some people
ugly
I need mouthwash of the brain.
I just let them go.
Rove probably was on the phone arranging for the timing of the convoy to arrive when Bush got done with his vacation and there was this slot on Friday.
like I said...ugly
like maybe race still matters to some people
ugly
I need mouthwash of the brain.
jc wrote on September 3, 2005 01:24 AM:
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It is late and we are all exhausted.
And...
Much like the days and weeks after 9/11 we are all in a bit of shock. We've just lost a major American city. It is gone. And a lot of the people, 10's of thousands probably, are gone with it. And none of us have even really taken a good look at Gulfport or Biloxi or the small towns of Mississippi or the surroudning counties of Louisiana... horrific enough in their own right to be the worst disaster we've ever seen.
And then you add in the criminal policies and criminal negligence of this administration and republican party agenda.
I feel much as I did in the days following 9/11... except it is all aimed at bush and his criminal element.
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It is late and we are all exhausted.
And...
Much like the days and weeks after 9/11 we are all in a bit of shock. We've just lost a major American city. It is gone. And a lot of the people, 10's of thousands probably, are gone with it. And none of us have even really taken a good look at Gulfport or Biloxi or the small towns of Mississippi or the surroudning counties of Louisiana... horrific enough in their own right to be the worst disaster we've ever seen.
And then you add in the criminal policies and criminal negligence of this administration and republican party agenda.
I feel much as I did in the days following 9/11... except it is all aimed at bush and his criminal element.
What a tragic misunderstanding.
The victims tried to signal SOS with flashlights.
No response so they fired shots to get their attn.
Then aid is delayed because they thought the
victims were firing on them?????
and the Red Cross lady--
it is *unsafe* to enter an American city??
The Red Cross operates in some of the most
dangerous places in the world for god's sake.
The victims tried to signal SOS with flashlights.
No response so they fired shots to get their attn.
Then aid is delayed because they thought the
victims were firing on them?????
and the Red Cross lady--
it is *unsafe* to enter an American city??
The Red Cross operates in some of the most
dangerous places in the world for god's sake.
Phil*from*Iowa. wrote on September 3, 2005 01:26 AM:
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You have company. This is our lifetimes work. We owe it to our forefathers and mothers... and we owe it to our children and grandchildren.
And we owe it to our neighbors in Louisiana and Mississippi.
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You have company. This is our lifetimes work. We owe it to our forefathers and mothers... and we owe it to our children and grandchildren.
And we owe it to our neighbors in Louisiana and Mississippi.
"It needs to happen on Sept. 24th and on Sept. 26th and it needs to happen on the floor of the House of Representatives and on the floor of the Senate."
Yes,of course, but I'm starting Monday as well. We can't let them twist the facts and steal our words, which they do; *progressive* being the latest I think. No, I think we need to start tomorrow and keep the drum beat going thru Sept and the anti-war demonstration. The senators and congresscritters must be pushed and pushed and pushed all month so that they know their careers are at stake and that we mean business.
I wonder if moveon could help...or Moore..Cindy! Yes, she's an organizer par excellence. Can we organize a lobby for the senate floor?
Yes,of course, but I'm starting Monday as well. We can't let them twist the facts and steal our words, which they do; *progressive* being the latest I think. No, I think we need to start tomorrow and keep the drum beat going thru Sept and the anti-war demonstration. The senators and congresscritters must be pushed and pushed and pushed all month so that they know their careers are at stake and that we mean business.
I wonder if moveon could help...or Moore..Cindy! Yes, she's an organizer par excellence. Can we organize a lobby for the senate floor?
bush says he is satisfied with the response to the disaster. then he got in his plane and went home.
how quaint. he even joked about his partying days in houston. this while at the airport in n.o.
he couldn't remember the name of one of the towns he saw, and the gov had to whisper in his ear, the name.
what a wuss.
how quaint. he even joked about his partying days in houston. this while at the airport in n.o.
he couldn't remember the name of one of the towns he saw, and the gov had to whisper in his ear, the name.
what a wuss.
we aren't a few hundred thousand deaniacs or a few million progressives from the blogosphere we are a NATION
a great NATION
we will be rid of these incompetents in what 400 some odd days now
a great NATION
we will be rid of these incompetents in what 400 some odd days now
seashell wrote on September 3, 2005 02:13 AM:
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Yes, I agree. Start right away. This is unforgiveable. A couple of congress folk posted on Dailykos today and I called on them in the comments to do just that. I insisted on it. I think phone calls are in order. Letters to the editor, whatever... every possible means to call for these criminally negligent incompetents to step down for the good of the nation.
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Yes, I agree. Start right away. This is unforgiveable. A couple of congress folk posted on Dailykos today and I called on them in the comments to do just that. I insisted on it. I think phone calls are in order. Letters to the editor, whatever... every possible means to call for these criminally negligent incompetents to step down for the good of the nation.
Phil, I can't quite get the mouthwash thing. Maybe expectorant, or a good solid dose of castor oil. Flush!!
I was hoping that one of the resident bush saw today would spit in his face. I would.
the smell of death is pretty ugly
I buried my neighbors dog yesterday that had been hit on the highway and it sticks on your skin
one shower doesn't quite do it...it lingers
the horror of those left in attics
now dying
among the already dead
ugly thought
we couldn't even get water to the nurses and rescue workers and police to keep them going
ugly reality
I buried my neighbors dog yesterday that had been hit on the highway and it sticks on your skin
one shower doesn't quite do it...it lingers
the horror of those left in attics
now dying
among the already dead
ugly thought
we couldn't even get water to the nurses and rescue workers and police to keep them going
ugly reality
Good morning America how are you?
Don’t you know me I’m your native son,
I’m the train they call The City of New Orleans,
I’ll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.
Dealin’ card games with the old men in the club car.
Penny a point ain’t no one keepin’ score.
Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle
Feel the wheels rumblin’ ’neath the floor.
And the sons of pullman porters
And the sons of engineers
Ride their father’s magic carpets made of steel.
Mothers with their babes asleep,
Are rockin’ to the gentle beat
And the rhythm of the rails is all they feel.
Nighttime on The City of New Orleans,
Changing cars in Memphis, Tennessee.
Half way home, we’ll be there by morning
Through the Mississippi darkness
Rolling down to the sea.
And all the towns and people seem
To fade into a bad dream
And the steel rails still ain’t heard the news.
The conductor sings his song again,
The passengers will please refrain
This train’s got the disappearing railroad blues.
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night, folks.
Uh, I really don't know what to say.
You can't get away from it on the TV. My Local paper which never covers anything has some really heartwrenching coverage, (maybe its just the pictures), AND GEORGE W. BUSH IS TELLING PEOPLE TO HANG ON!!!
ARE YOU STUPID? THESE PEOPLE DON"T HAVE TV"S OR RADIOS? THEY CANT HEAR YOU!
Sorry for yelling.
These people have been there for 5 days in an apocolypic situation and "we' the greatest nation in the world, has left them for dead.
No one has a right to judge any crime comitted. I read in another thread or earlier than this one that someone "watched a girl get raped". Are we that apathetic and disillusioned that we can see something like that happen and do nothing. I would have done something. I find it so hard to believe that a crime like that could occour with over 10,000 people present.
The society and its respect for life needs to change on a whole. We don't respect other humans or any other life form on the planet. We think we are superior to all. Yet we complain and revert back to primal savages instead of being enlightened and self reliant.
I know my posts are "out there" most of the time. I do ask you to bend the rules of reality from time to time, to see a point. This is not one of those times.
Please look this time and see that the reason George Bush is not sympathetic to our plight is because he views our existence on a completely different level. We are nothing to him. He doesn't count us as humans. You can't say 1800 humans are dead and go fishing. I don't know another human who can unless they've removed themselves from the situation.
I play this game called Sid Meyers Alpha Centauri. Your a political faction on another world and you have to build a civilization and survive your neighbors. In this game you get H-bomb capabilities. Even though I'm an enlightened person, every once in a while, I blow up the religious faction in the game. I wipe them off the face of the planet. I laugh, and I chuckle. Then I start over. Nobody is really hurt, and I vented my frustrations all over a race of people that don't exist.
George Bush is playing this game for real. There is no sympathy between us. He see's us as a replenishable resource, not as human beings.
We can no longer let the media lie for them. We must show these people the we are not sheep. We cannot be led down paths we do not wish to go.
Please don't get swallowed by the small stuff. Keep you mind open to the fact that there is a bigger picture. There is something sinister afoot. There are people in this world that don't care if you live or die, they're the same people who outsourced your job to Shrilanka.
Outside the box people, outside!
ConSec
"its 2:30 in the morning, what do you expect me to post?"
You can't get away from it on the TV. My Local paper which never covers anything has some really heartwrenching coverage, (maybe its just the pictures), AND GEORGE W. BUSH IS TELLING PEOPLE TO HANG ON!!!
ARE YOU STUPID? THESE PEOPLE DON"T HAVE TV"S OR RADIOS? THEY CANT HEAR YOU!
Sorry for yelling.
These people have been there for 5 days in an apocolypic situation and "we' the greatest nation in the world, has left them for dead.
No one has a right to judge any crime comitted. I read in another thread or earlier than this one that someone "watched a girl get raped". Are we that apathetic and disillusioned that we can see something like that happen and do nothing. I would have done something. I find it so hard to believe that a crime like that could occour with over 10,000 people present.
The society and its respect for life needs to change on a whole. We don't respect other humans or any other life form on the planet. We think we are superior to all. Yet we complain and revert back to primal savages instead of being enlightened and self reliant.
I know my posts are "out there" most of the time. I do ask you to bend the rules of reality from time to time, to see a point. This is not one of those times.
Please look this time and see that the reason George Bush is not sympathetic to our plight is because he views our existence on a completely different level. We are nothing to him. He doesn't count us as humans. You can't say 1800 humans are dead and go fishing. I don't know another human who can unless they've removed themselves from the situation.
I play this game called Sid Meyers Alpha Centauri. Your a political faction on another world and you have to build a civilization and survive your neighbors. In this game you get H-bomb capabilities. Even though I'm an enlightened person, every once in a while, I blow up the religious faction in the game. I wipe them off the face of the planet. I laugh, and I chuckle. Then I start over. Nobody is really hurt, and I vented my frustrations all over a race of people that don't exist.
George Bush is playing this game for real. There is no sympathy between us. He see's us as a replenishable resource, not as human beings.
We can no longer let the media lie for them. We must show these people the we are not sheep. We cannot be led down paths we do not wish to go.
Please don't get swallowed by the small stuff. Keep you mind open to the fact that there is a bigger picture. There is something sinister afoot. There are people in this world that don't care if you live or die, they're the same people who outsourced your job to Shrilanka.
Outside the box people, outside!
ConSec
"its 2:30 in the morning, what do you expect me to post?"
We are a much better nation than our leaders.
Steve, I'm just imaging for my own mental hygiene, and probably shouldn't share that as any kind of meme or advice
just sharing my need to rid myself of the images of our loser President today so we can go back to work really helping people because I know I'm among friends here.
Andrew I heard from all my kids today...just like 9-11...families feel the need to touch base
Steve, I'm just imaging for my own mental hygiene, and probably shouldn't share that as any kind of meme or advice
just sharing my need to rid myself of the images of our loser President today so we can go back to work really helping people because I know I'm among friends here.
Andrew I heard from all my kids today...just like 9-11...families feel the need to touch base
Good Phil. I'm glad to hear that. I've a niece in India and a nephew in Amsterdam right now. Just left recently for long stays over seas. I hope this isn't too hard on them. My immediate family including granddaughter are with me this weekend. That is nice.
I've been watching snippets of Aaron Brown's re-run. He doesn't seem to be upset. He's interviewing Parker. I'll keep listening.
So...are we sure we can handle Hastert as prez?
This doesn't sound very palatable to me and to exchange one inept prez for another sounds counter-productive, unless the Speaker is a good democrat and we sweep the elections. This would all take some time and the elections are coming up. How about trying to put Howard in as speaker? God, wouldn't that be poetic justice? He'd end up prez. What a dreamer I am.
So...are we sure we can handle Hastert as prez?
This doesn't sound very palatable to me and to exchange one inept prez for another sounds counter-productive, unless the Speaker is a good democrat and we sweep the elections. This would all take some time and the elections are coming up. How about trying to put Howard in as speaker? God, wouldn't that be poetic justice? He'd end up prez. What a dreamer I am.
My Friend who works for housing just told me thet he's being sent to LA to help out and FEMA is paying him $4000 a month.
Great you're going to help, but why the huge pay increase? Couldn't they employ people down there already, who could actually use that kind of money?
I don't know he could have just been talking out of his behind. He's not that reliable a friend.
ConSec
Great you're going to help, but why the huge pay increase? Couldn't they employ people down there already, who could actually use that kind of money?
I don't know he could have just been talking out of his behind. He's not that reliable a friend.
ConSec
Thousands will die tomorrow if they're not evacuated. What is happening right now to those poor souls, trapped and looking down the barrels of high-powered guns? Has it been determined that they finally got food and water today?
(Aaron is getting good.)
Candles,prayers,money - how meager they are.
Why is there no national day of mourning, no flag lowering, no no no nothing? It's as if it's going to be *bidness* as usual.
*The bushies are going down* is my mantra.
(Aaron is getting good.)
Candles,prayers,money - how meager they are.
Why is there no national day of mourning, no flag lowering, no no no nothing? It's as if it's going to be *bidness* as usual.
*The bushies are going down* is my mantra.
seashell wrote on September 3, 2005 02:45 AM:
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Hastert sucks. But think about what it would mean politically if it happened. He'd be a neutered president from day one until election day 2008.
And even if bush didn't resign HE would be a neutered president the rest of the way too if the call is massive enough and long enough in duration. His approval was already 40% and below. How low do you think it will be when the next polling numbers come out?
I'm guessing 27% myself.
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Hastert sucks. But think about what it would mean politically if it happened. He'd be a neutered president from day one until election day 2008.
And even if bush didn't resign HE would be a neutered president the rest of the way too if the call is massive enough and long enough in duration. His approval was already 40% and below. How low do you think it will be when the next polling numbers come out?
I'm guessing 27% myself.
Perhaps if all the efforts had been put into bringing in food and water, the guns wouldn't have had to be necessary
seashell wrote on September 3, 2005 02:53 AM:
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I don't know about everyone but the good news is that food and water have made it into the city today. The National Guard finally showed up, they have evacuated a lot of refugees, and they did bring lots of water at least. I'm not as sure about food.
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I don't know about everyone but the good news is that food and water have made it into the city today. The National Guard finally showed up, they have evacuated a lot of refugees, and they did bring lots of water at least. I'm not as sure about food.
jc,
yeah, had the guard been staged and ready on Sunday then by Monday evening or Tuesday morning they could have moved in (with guns) and secured the city relatively easily. There still would have been problems but the violence, just like the starvation and thirst, are the direct result of lack of preparedness on the part of both state and federal governments.
yeah, had the guard been staged and ready on Sunday then by Monday evening or Tuesday morning they could have moved in (with guns) and secured the city relatively easily. There still would have been problems but the violence, just like the starvation and thirst, are the direct result of lack of preparedness on the part of both state and federal governments.
Okay, really *creative* thinking here, and I don't really believe this, but it's fun to speculate...
What if Hastert deliberately made outrageous comments that would inflame the very people who might be the most convincing in demanding a resignation of Bush and Cheney?
Perhaps the angry voters won't work quite so hard at demanding the resignations of Bush and Cheney if they think they'll only get stuck with Hastert, who wants to bulldoze their city.
See what a lack of sleep can do to your thinking process? LOL
What if Hastert deliberately made outrageous comments that would inflame the very people who might be the most convincing in demanding a resignation of Bush and Cheney?
Perhaps the angry voters won't work quite so hard at demanding the resignations of Bush and Cheney if they think they'll only get stuck with Hastert, who wants to bulldoze their city.
See what a lack of sleep can do to your thinking process? LOL
Con Sec, your posts are never too far out for me. :-)
For many years, I've been saying that true Christianity has not yet hit the scene. People look oddly at me.
They care nothing for us, nothing, and it's so obvious that I don't know why average Americans who voted for boybiker can't see that. Are so many of us just that stupid or is it religious prejudice? Or both. Certainly fear plays a huge factor.
Well, Bushvoters, now you see how safe we are and how much Bush cares about ordinary Americans. And we had warning. Next time we may not.
For many years, I've been saying that true Christianity has not yet hit the scene. People look oddly at me.
They care nothing for us, nothing, and it's so obvious that I don't know why average Americans who voted for boybiker can't see that. Are so many of us just that stupid or is it religious prejudice? Or both. Certainly fear plays a huge factor.
Well, Bushvoters, now you see how safe we are and how much Bush cares about ordinary Americans. And we had warning. Next time we may not.
jc
I have more admiration for your Governor and people each passing day. (you too)
thanks for sticking with the blog(you know what I mean)
no city in America has gone through what Baton Rogue will be dealing with since the civil war
nearly doubling in size in five days, Lafayette's shelters full by now too
hundreds of thousands of refugees
red cross donations need to be doubled and then doubled again
when I drove through the northern LA rural delta some of the poor neighborhoods looked like they had already been through some hard times
reminded me of rural Iowa in the eighties
the hope out of this might be a chance to address poverty as a national disgrace
I have more admiration for your Governor and people each passing day. (you too)
thanks for sticking with the blog(you know what I mean)
no city in America has gone through what Baton Rogue will be dealing with since the civil war
nearly doubling in size in five days, Lafayette's shelters full by now too
hundreds of thousands of refugees
red cross donations need to be doubled and then doubled again
when I drove through the northern LA rural delta some of the poor neighborhoods looked like they had already been through some hard times
reminded me of rural Iowa in the eighties
the hope out of this might be a chance to address poverty as a national disgrace
"Perhaps the angry voters won't work quite so hard at demanding the resignations of Bush and Cheney if they think they'll only get stuck with Hastert, who wants to bulldoze their city."
LOL very creative BUT how many voters know that Hastert's next in line after Cheney?
LOL very creative BUT how many voters know that Hastert's next in line after Cheney?
Andrew,
I'm glad to hear about the supplies arriving. I'm watching the helicopters unloading on tv.
I'm glad to hear about the supplies arriving. I'm watching the helicopters unloading on tv.
Phil,
I'm hoping Howard Dean and others will use this as an opportunity to open up discussions about race again.
Something tells me we're going to be seeing as much of the Congressional Black Caucus as the media will allow.
I'm hoping Howard Dean and others will use this as an opportunity to open up discussions about race again.
Something tells me we're going to be seeing as much of the Congressional Black Caucus as the media will allow.
Thanks seashell,
You are one of the enlightened. We got 143,998 more to find. Lets get started.
ConSec
You are one of the enlightened. We got 143,998 more to find. Lets get started.
ConSec
nite Andrew. jc, the new Harry Potter book is beckoning. Dare I go to bed or will I miss something? Where's Judy tonight?
I'm off to skim some papers.
G'nite if I don't come back. Thank you for making this b'day quite wonderful for me, in spite of the tragedy.
I'm off to skim some papers.
G'nite if I don't come back. Thank you for making this b'day quite wonderful for me, in spite of the tragedy.
jc
holiday weekends mean I pull extra shifts giving the others days off so I have to get a few more hours sleep before milking
if I'm not around much tomorrow LA will still be in my prayers
take care
holiday weekends mean I pull extra shifts giving the others days off so I have to get a few more hours sleep before milking
if I'm not around much tomorrow LA will still be in my prayers
take care
Harry potter!!! its worth being distracted for a couple of days.
Good Night seashell,
Happy B-Day
Good Night seashell,
Happy B-Day
You are one of the enlightened. We got 143,998 more to find. Lets get started."
LOL, not enlightened, just old! I've paid attention the last few years.
So what's the magic number? 144,000 - I should know that and I do, but I forgot. Is it the number we need to reach critical mass?
Most of the bloggers here qualify for being called enlightened - or is it old, like me?
LOL, not enlightened, just old! I've paid attention the last few years.
So what's the magic number? 144,000 - I should know that and I do, but I forgot. Is it the number we need to reach critical mass?
Most of the bloggers here qualify for being called enlightened - or is it old, like me?
seashell ... people with love in their heart get younger with each passing birthday
this is one birthday you will never forget
go dancing soon
this is one birthday you will never forget
go dancing soon
Yes i know there are a few others around who qualify.
My Dad thinks the magic number is 1.4 million because they couldn't conceive of a number that big back then.
And no old is not the same as enlightened. You've probably been enlightened for years, you've just been waiting to use it.
No go read the book!! Read it straight through and then get back here. It only took me two days to read it. Brain Candy!
ConSec
My Dad thinks the magic number is 1.4 million because they couldn't conceive of a number that big back then.
And no old is not the same as enlightened. You've probably been enlightened for years, you've just been waiting to use it.
No go read the book!! Read it straight through and then get back here. It only took me two days to read it. Brain Candy!
ConSec
back again after I found this just into my inbox as I was shutting down:
from my son volunteering at the triage center at LSU
I had asked him if since they had gotten water to the nurses should I leave the box office number up for his volunteer friends to distribute ...
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Yes, the need will never end. I worked at the hospital today as a doctor's
assistant. I'll tell you more about that later. But there is no end to the
need for supplies.
-Jon
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send non-perisable essentials in see through packaging through the U.S. Postal service to
P.O. Box 20065
LSU Baton Rogue LA 70803
it will be distributed to refugees by student volunteers
from my son volunteering at the triage center at LSU
I had asked him if since they had gotten water to the nurses should I leave the box office number up for his volunteer friends to distribute ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~,
Yes, the need will never end. I worked at the hospital today as a doctor's
assistant. I'll tell you more about that later. But there is no end to the
need for supplies.
-Jon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
send non-perisable essentials in see through packaging through the U.S. Postal service to
P.O. Box 20065
LSU Baton Rogue LA 70803
it will be distributed to refugees by student volunteers
I came across this from the Huffington Post: I should have gone to bed 1/2 hour ago.
"It is reported that black hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive. Four days after the storm, thousands of blacks in New Orleans are dying like dogs. No-one has come to help them.
I am a sixty-four year old African-American.
New Orleans marks the end of the America I strove for.
I am hopeless. I am sad. I am angry against my country for doing nothing when it mattered.
This is what we have come to. This defining watershed moment in America’s racial history. For all the world to witness. For those who’ve been caused to listen for a lifetime to America’s ceaseless hollow bleats about democracy. For Christians, Jews and Muslims at home and abroad. For rich and poor. For African-American soldiers fighting in Iraq. For African-Americans inside the halls of officialdom and out.
My hand shakes with anger as I write. I, the formerly un-jaundiced human rights advocate, have finally come to see my country for what it really is. A monstrous fraud.
But what can I do but write about how I feel. How millions, black like me, must feel at this, the lowest moment in my country’s story."
Randall Robinson is a social
justice advocate and author
whose works include The Debt –
What America Owes to Blacks
"It is reported that black hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive. Four days after the storm, thousands of blacks in New Orleans are dying like dogs. No-one has come to help them.
I am a sixty-four year old African-American.
New Orleans marks the end of the America I strove for.
I am hopeless. I am sad. I am angry against my country for doing nothing when it mattered.
This is what we have come to. This defining watershed moment in America’s racial history. For all the world to witness. For those who’ve been caused to listen for a lifetime to America’s ceaseless hollow bleats about democracy. For Christians, Jews and Muslims at home and abroad. For rich and poor. For African-American soldiers fighting in Iraq. For African-Americans inside the halls of officialdom and out.
My hand shakes with anger as I write. I, the formerly un-jaundiced human rights advocate, have finally come to see my country for what it really is. A monstrous fraud.
But what can I do but write about how I feel. How millions, black like me, must feel at this, the lowest moment in my country’s story."
Randall Robinson is a social
justice advocate and author
whose works include The Debt –
What America Owes to Blacks
JudyforDean wrote on September 3, 2005 03:30 AM:
"We're going to make it right" and "Hang in there": meaningless platitudes from an unempathetic and negligently inefficient (to a criminal extent if some of the stories are true) man."
Yes we are angry, but what are we going to do about it? I think we need a speech from Howard.
My Fellow Americans,
This is a time of tragedy and crisis. When we should Have been able to show that we were more prepared for this than we needed to be. The System failed us. The reasons for this failure are a direct result of the decisions made by the current administration. Do not believe the talking points on the media, this is proof that his homland security act is a farce. We are not secure.
I'm putting out a call to the businesses that can contribute to do so. Greyhound, Amtrak, all of the airline industry. Give us your resources, put them in the hands of the people that will help like the Red Cross. Not FEMA.
We can and will rebuild New Oleans. That is inevitable. How fast we do it is up to the American People.
ConSec
"We're going to make it right" and "Hang in there": meaningless platitudes from an unempathetic and negligently inefficient (to a criminal extent if some of the stories are true) man."
Yes we are angry, but what are we going to do about it? I think we need a speech from Howard.
My Fellow Americans,
This is a time of tragedy and crisis. When we should Have been able to show that we were more prepared for this than we needed to be. The System failed us. The reasons for this failure are a direct result of the decisions made by the current administration. Do not believe the talking points on the media, this is proof that his homland security act is a farce. We are not secure.
I'm putting out a call to the businesses that can contribute to do so. Greyhound, Amtrak, all of the airline industry. Give us your resources, put them in the hands of the people that will help like the Red Cross. Not FEMA.
We can and will rebuild New Oleans. That is inevitable. How fast we do it is up to the American People.
ConSec
seashell wrote on September 3, 2005 02:45 AM:
So...are we sure we can handle Hastert as prez?
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Hastert is too overweight to be president. We haven't had a fat president since TV began (although Clinton & Carter certainly ballooned in office, or after it) Can't even remember any fat nominees - Mondale was chubby at the time, I guess.
So...are we sure we can handle Hastert as prez?
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Hastert is too overweight to be president. We haven't had a fat president since TV began (although Clinton & Carter certainly ballooned in office, or after it) Can't even remember any fat nominees - Mondale was chubby at the time, I guess.
QUESTION NO 2.
How could the world's only superpower be so slow in rescuing its own people?
It will probably take months, even years, to answer that question. But here are a few factors to consider: 1) the federal government's disaster relief agency, Fema, has lost considerable clout because the priority at the Department of Homeland Security has been counter-terrorism; 2) the homeland security director, Michael Chertoff, has no experience in disaster relief; 3) because of Fema's low profile, almost no contingency measures were taken before Katrina struck; 4) the under-resourced local Army Corps of Engineers appeared completely unprepared to conduct emergency operations after the levees were breached; 5) nobody appears to have considered the communications problems inherent in loss of phone and cell-phone service.
cont'd
How could the world's only superpower be so slow in rescuing its own people?
It will probably take months, even years, to answer that question. But here are a few factors to consider: 1) the federal government's disaster relief agency, Fema, has lost considerable clout because the priority at the Department of Homeland Security has been counter-terrorism; 2) the homeland security director, Michael Chertoff, has no experience in disaster relief; 3) because of Fema's low profile, almost no contingency measures were taken before Katrina struck; 4) the under-resourced local Army Corps of Engineers appeared completely unprepared to conduct emergency operations after the levees were breached; 5) nobody appears to have considered the communications problems inherent in loss of phone and cell-phone service.
cont'd
Where is Howard Dean in all of this? The CANDIDATE of two years ago would have been all over THIS like a cheap suit - tellin it like it is.
After contributing ($$) to the Dean campaign, I took it as a minor victory when he captured the leadership of the DNC. Since then, I have been surprised by his relative quiescence. Could it be that the intellectually bankrupt DNC has, in fact, co-opted Howard Dean? What a shame that would be - and what a massive disappointment to those long frustrated idealists who thought they (after all this time) might have found a true leader.
-Peter D
Hi Judy!
Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.
...
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This goes beyond incompetence.
Yeah, the Pony Express isn't as fast as it used to be, or maybe the WH faxes were down.
Not incompetence. That puppy needs to be put to bed.
Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.
...
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This goes beyond incompetence.
Yeah, the Pony Express isn't as fast as it used to be, or maybe the WH faxes were down.
Not incompetence. That puppy needs to be put to bed.
No. Sorry, I don't believe canabalism. You don't get hungry that fast.
Nobody starves in five days. Nobody.
Water is the problem. Especially in the heat.
Canabalism stories are plants to make people revolted at the victims.
Nobody starves in five days. Nobody.
Water is the problem. Especially in the heat.
Canabalism stories are plants to make people revolted at the victims.
puddleriver*in*WV wrote on September 3, 2005 03:53 AM:
Is cannabalism an issue? I really hope not.
ConSec
"Personally I don't eat meat eaters"
Is cannabalism an issue? I really hope not.
ConSec
"Personally I don't eat meat eaters"
Canabalism stories are plants to make people revolted at the victims."
puddle, I considered that. Why would a black man write that about fellow blacks? In this case, canabalism would be an act of desperation, not revolting; but that JMO. However, I think that you're right. Not in 5 days. We are however, dealing with some people who are coming off of drugs and alcohol and that makes for crazyiness.
What about the rapes? In front of all those people? Are we to believe that?
I'm so punchy...must sleep
puddle, I considered that. Why would a black man write that about fellow blacks? In this case, canabalism would be an act of desperation, not revolting; but that JMO. However, I think that you're right. Not in 5 days. We are however, dealing with some people who are coming off of drugs and alcohol and that makes for crazyiness.
What about the rapes? In front of all those people? Are we to believe that?
I'm so punchy...must sleep
Hey JudyForDean,
Great questions. I hope someone answers them for you someday.
The link to democrats.org is great but I would really like to see some of the things Howard has said. Got any other links handy?
ConSec
Great questions. I hope someone answers them for you someday.
The link to democrats.org is great but I would really like to see some of the things Howard has said. Got any other links handy?
ConSec
Conspiracy Secretary wrote on September 3, 2005 04:03 AM:
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Thanks, ConSec but I can't take credit. They're from the article in the Independent that I linked to if you click on my name.
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Thanks, ConSec but I can't take credit. They're from the article in the Independent that I linked to if you click on my name.
Really, wasn't the dome an evac site? Thats wierd, it should have been. Even still, we knew where it was. We knew that the local law enforcement had some control. I know of pilots who would boast that they could airdrop food and Medical supplies within 20 feet of the front door of the dome.
Somehow it will come out that they couldn't send supplies because it would have started a riot. We must not believe this to be true. The Police would have been able to handle the crowds. All they would have had to do was deputise 10% of those stranded.
Its a shame more Black people don't vote, they would get more respect if they did.
ConSec
Somehow it will come out that they couldn't send supplies because it would have started a riot. We must not believe this to be true. The Police would have been able to handle the crowds. All they would have had to do was deputise 10% of those stranded.
Its a shame more Black people don't vote, they would get more respect if they did.
ConSec
Unlike the BushCo opportunists who talk, smear and spin, Howard is a doer.
But he is indeed the same Howard.
But he is indeed the same Howard.
Conspiracy Secretary wrote on September 3, 2005 04:13 AM:
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Its a shame more Black people don't vote, they would get more respect if they did.
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Not sure why you say that. Blacks are one of the MOST loyal Democratic voting blocs and indeed have been all too often taken for granted. As we have seen in the past two national elections, they have also been "discouraged" from voting by both overt and covert means.
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Its a shame more Black people don't vote, they would get more respect if they did.
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Not sure why you say that. Blacks are one of the MOST loyal Democratic voting blocs and indeed have been all too often taken for granted. As we have seen in the past two national elections, they have also been "discouraged" from voting by both overt and covert means.
Sung by the magnificent Billie Holiday & a host of other brilliants.
Eddie DeLange / Loise Alter
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
And miss it each night and day
I know I'm not wrong, the feeling's getting stronger
The longer I stay away
Miss the moss-covered vines, tall sugar pines
Where mockingbirds used to sing
I'd love to see that old lazy Mississippi
Hurrying into Spring
The moonlight on the bayou
A Creole tune that fills the air
I dream about magnolias in bloom
And I'm wishin I was there
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
When that's where you left your heart
And there's one thing more, I miss the one I care for
More than I miss New Orleans
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The loss of a city and most of all the loss of life...too much.
Eddie DeLange / Loise Alter
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
And miss it each night and day
I know I'm not wrong, the feeling's getting stronger
The longer I stay away
Miss the moss-covered vines, tall sugar pines
Where mockingbirds used to sing
I'd love to see that old lazy Mississippi
Hurrying into Spring
The moonlight on the bayou
A Creole tune that fills the air
I dream about magnolias in bloom
And I'm wishin I was there
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
When that's where you left your heart
And there's one thing more, I miss the one I care for
More than I miss New Orleans
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The loss of a city and most of all the loss of life...too much.
Someone should have realized something was wrong with this country when our quality of life changed.
I remember my father telling me how his father worked and his mother stayed home to raise the kids. This was a way of life back then. Men provided.
Somewhere in the 60's it changed. You now needed both spouses to work in order to survive. This left the us to watch TV while our parents were at work. School doesn't teach you anything. I learned how to smoke and which foods could be used as currency... basically it was my introduction to prison mentality.
So now any kid who has been sat in front of the TV since he was born, and can't control his emotions gets put on ritalin.
Schools teach even less. Parents work harder. No one can act to help anyone else because 80% of us are 1 paycheck away from poverty.
We don't even know how to handle a crisis that has been hitting the southeast for hundreds of years, every year.
We have been duped. Society needs to change. the age of innocence and ignorance is over. This is our country now. We will become an enlightened global community, or we will perish from the earth.
You know what would be funny right about now, if all the zombie movies came true. At least then I could say that we weren't prepared for that.
ConSec
I remember my father telling me how his father worked and his mother stayed home to raise the kids. This was a way of life back then. Men provided.
Somewhere in the 60's it changed. You now needed both spouses to work in order to survive. This left the us to watch TV while our parents were at work. School doesn't teach you anything. I learned how to smoke and which foods could be used as currency... basically it was my introduction to prison mentality.
So now any kid who has been sat in front of the TV since he was born, and can't control his emotions gets put on ritalin.
Schools teach even less. Parents work harder. No one can act to help anyone else because 80% of us are 1 paycheck away from poverty.
We don't even know how to handle a crisis that has been hitting the southeast for hundreds of years, every year.
We have been duped. Society needs to change. the age of innocence and ignorance is over. This is our country now. We will become an enlightened global community, or we will perish from the earth.
You know what would be funny right about now, if all the zombie movies came true. At least then I could say that we weren't prepared for that.
ConSec
Sorry Judy,
I'm just going by what I see in my neighborhood and around New york City. I watch when the election notifications go around. How many go in the trash. I know that Black tend to vote Democratic when they do. However, I don't believe that more than 20% of them vote around here. I do believe that more of them should vote because they would get more respect. They are taught their voice doesn't matter. You can't fight "the man".
They think its pointless because nothing ever changes.
Should more Latinos vote, hell yes. But there were a heck of a lot more Blacks in the Superdome than Latinos. Hence my comments.
ConSec
I'm just going by what I see in my neighborhood and around New york City. I watch when the election notifications go around. How many go in the trash. I know that Black tend to vote Democratic when they do. However, I don't believe that more than 20% of them vote around here. I do believe that more of them should vote because they would get more respect. They are taught their voice doesn't matter. You can't fight "the man".
They think its pointless because nothing ever changes.
Should more Latinos vote, hell yes. But there were a heck of a lot more Blacks in the Superdome than Latinos. Hence my comments.
ConSec
Conspiracy Secretary wrote on September 3, 2005 04:35 AM:
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Remember ... overt and covert means. If they are led to believe that their vote doesn't count ... or if the *notifications* contain false or misleading information about when and where to vote (as has been the case) ... or if there are police stops scheduled at or near their voting places (somehow these seem to happen on voting days and disproportionally in black neighborhoods) ... or if their names are wrongfully expunged from voter lists ... or if they can't afford to take time off from the minimum wage with no benefits job they have ... or if when they do manage to get there after surmounting all these obstacles, the polling places are closed with no information on where to go, or there aren't enough voting machines, or the voting machines that are there don't work, or malfunctions (remember the FL *chads*).
Merely assessing voter behavior by the number of notifications that end up in the trash is a false statistic.
Please do not ever condemn the behavior of an entire ethnic group by the misguided or wrongful actions of a few. There are also quite a few misguided or wrongful examples of Caucasian voting behavior for that matter.
That is NOT what DFA and BFA are about. We should do better than that. We should BE better than that.
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Remember ... overt and covert means. If they are led to believe that their vote doesn't count ... or if the *notifications* contain false or misleading information about when and where to vote (as has been the case) ... or if there are police stops scheduled at or near their voting places (somehow these seem to happen on voting days and disproportionally in black neighborhoods) ... or if their names are wrongfully expunged from voter lists ... or if they can't afford to take time off from the minimum wage with no benefits job they have ... or if when they do manage to get there after surmounting all these obstacles, the polling places are closed with no information on where to go, or there aren't enough voting machines, or the voting machines that are there don't work, or malfunctions (remember the FL *chads*).
Merely assessing voter behavior by the number of notifications that end up in the trash is a false statistic.
Please do not ever condemn the behavior of an entire ethnic group by the misguided or wrongful actions of a few. There are also quite a few misguided or wrongful examples of Caucasian voting behavior for that matter.
That is NOT what DFA and BFA are about. We should do better than that. We should BE better than that.
JudyforDean wrote on September 3, 2005 04:15 AM:
Thank you for the post. and the link, I'm reading.
ConSec
Thank you for the post. and the link, I'm reading.
ConSec
Bye, ConSec. Your heart's in the right place generally, but please do think about hurtful impacts of what you say!
Must go now.
Must go now.
Judy,
Sorry, You're right I shouldn't generalize. Yes these things happen. People are discouraged from voting. I guess my point should now be "Vote at all costs".
Don't let anything stop you from voting in 2006. No Matter what color you are!
I do not condemn anyone, its not my job. I'm just here to help people see the bigger picture and tunnel-vision averter.
Sometimes I get a little tunnel vision myself, thanks for the reality check.
ConSec
Sorry, You're right I shouldn't generalize. Yes these things happen. People are discouraged from voting. I guess my point should now be "Vote at all costs".
Don't let anything stop you from voting in 2006. No Matter what color you are!
I do not condemn anyone, its not my job. I'm just here to help people see the bigger picture and tunnel-vision averter.
Sometimes I get a little tunnel vision myself, thanks for the reality check.
ConSec
My county had a major (hurricane caused) flood in 1986, nine years before I moved here. Many of my neighbors who'd been through the flood were very worried about my building so close to the river (even though I am not on a flood plane). One dug out a paperback published after that flood and made sure I read it. It was a compendium of the newspaper stories from the time. Horrific. The pictures terrible.
A house rested on the baseball field. A before and after of several trailer parks. Pastures strewn with boulders half the size of houses.
The title of the book was "Pendleton County Destroyed" and the prediction was the county would never revive.
It has. Home is home. And people came back as soon as they could, and fixed what they could, and rebuilt what they could not fix.
This is all that gives me hope for New Orleans. Humans are cussedly, blessedly cussedly, obstinate critters, and home IS home.
A house rested on the baseball field. A before and after of several trailer parks. Pastures strewn with boulders half the size of houses.
The title of the book was "Pendleton County Destroyed" and the prediction was the county would never revive.
It has. Home is home. And people came back as soon as they could, and fixed what they could, and rebuilt what they could not fix.
This is all that gives me hope for New Orleans. Humans are cussedly, blessedly cussedly, obstinate critters, and home IS home.
No comment, other than this: note the source, note the year:
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, 2001 - A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the
Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city. . .
If a big, slow-moving hurricane crossed the Gulf of Mexico on the right track, it would drive a sea surge that would drown New Orleans under 20 feet of water. "As the water recedes," says Walter Maestri, a local emergency management director, "we expect to find a lot of dead bodies."
New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen. The city lies below sea level, in a bowl bordered by levees that fend off Lake Pontchartrain to the north and the Mississippi River to the south and west.
And because of a damning confluence of factors, the city is sinking further, putting it at increasing flood risk after even minor storms.
The low-lying Mississippi Delta, which buffers the city from the gulf, is also rapidly disappearing. A year from now another 25 to 30 square miles of delta marsh--an area the size of Manhattan--will have vanished.
An acre disappears every 24 minutes. Each loss gives a storm surge a clearer path to wash over the delta and pour into the bowl, trapping one million people inside and another million in surrounding communities.
Extensive evacuation would be impossible because the surging water would cut off the few escape routes. Scientists at Louisiana State University, who have modeled hundreds of possible storm tracks on advanced computers, predict that more than 100,000 people could die. The body bags wouldn't go very far.
.....
For the full article, go to:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, 2001 - A major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands. Human activities along the
Mississippi River have dramatically increased the risk, and now only massive reengineering of southeastern Louisiana can save the city. . .
If a big, slow-moving hurricane crossed the Gulf of Mexico on the right track, it would drive a sea surge that would drown New Orleans under 20 feet of water. "As the water recedes," says Walter Maestri, a local emergency management director, "we expect to find a lot of dead bodies."
New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen. The city lies below sea level, in a bowl bordered by levees that fend off Lake Pontchartrain to the north and the Mississippi River to the south and west.
And because of a damning confluence of factors, the city is sinking further, putting it at increasing flood risk after even minor storms.
The low-lying Mississippi Delta, which buffers the city from the gulf, is also rapidly disappearing. A year from now another 25 to 30 square miles of delta marsh--an area the size of Manhattan--will have vanished.
An acre disappears every 24 minutes. Each loss gives a storm surge a clearer path to wash over the delta and pour into the bowl, trapping one million people inside and another million in surrounding communities.
Extensive evacuation would be impossible because the surging water would cut off the few escape routes. Scientists at Louisiana State University, who have modeled hundreds of possible storm tracks on advanced computers, predict that more than 100,000 people could die. The body bags wouldn't go very far.
.....
For the full article, go to:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000
Here's another pre-prediction.
Again, no comment other than this: note the source, note the year:
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, 2004 - Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by
then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.
When did this calamity happen? It hasn't?yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great. . .
The chances of such a storm hitting New Orleans in any given year are slight, but the danger is growing. Climatologists predict that powerful storms may occur more frequently this century, while rising sea level from global warming is putting low-lying coasts at greater risk. "It's not if it will happen," says University of New Orleans geologist Shea Penland. "It's when."
Yet just as the risks of a killer storm are rising, the city's natural
defenses are quietly melting away. From the Mississippi border to the Texas state line, Louisiana is losing its protective fringe of marshes and barrier islands faster than any place in the U.S. Since the 1930s some 1,900 square miles (4,900 square kilometers) of coastal wetlands, ?a swath nearly the size of Delaware or almost twice that of Luxembourg?have vanished beneath the Gulf of Mexico. Despite nearly half a billion dollars spent over the past decade to stem the tide, the state continues to lose about 25 square miles (65 square kilometers) of land
each year, roughly one acre every 33 minutes.
....
For the complete article, go to;
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/
Again, no comment other than this: note the source, note the year:
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, 2004 - Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by
then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.
When did this calamity happen? It hasn't?yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great. . .
The chances of such a storm hitting New Orleans in any given year are slight, but the danger is growing. Climatologists predict that powerful storms may occur more frequently this century, while rising sea level from global warming is putting low-lying coasts at greater risk. "It's not if it will happen," says University of New Orleans geologist Shea Penland. "It's when."
Yet just as the risks of a killer storm are rising, the city's natural
defenses are quietly melting away. From the Mississippi border to the Texas state line, Louisiana is losing its protective fringe of marshes and barrier islands faster than any place in the U.S. Since the 1930s some 1,900 square miles (4,900 square kilometers) of coastal wetlands, ?a swath nearly the size of Delaware or almost twice that of Luxembourg?have vanished beneath the Gulf of Mexico. Despite nearly half a billion dollars spent over the past decade to stem the tide, the state continues to lose about 25 square miles (65 square kilometers) of land
each year, roughly one acre every 33 minutes.
....
For the complete article, go to;
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/
Good morning, Stop Signs
In my in-box I found a rather hysterical note from Kathy Dopp, the woman doing the research on the vote and trying to set up a national monitoring program. But today she's all excited by a report that the Secretary of Health is planning NOT to evacuate the rest of the people out of New Orleans and that the busses are still not allowed in to pick them up.
Anybody know anything about this?
In my in-box I found a rather hysterical note from Kathy Dopp, the woman doing the research on the vote and trying to set up a national monitoring program. But today she's all excited by a report that the Secretary of Health is planning NOT to evacuate the rest of the people out of New Orleans and that the busses are still not allowed in to pick them up.
Anybody know anything about this?
Meredith: Everybody knows the dice are loaded. The dice belong to this admin. They were just a hopin' the cows wouldn't come home til after they were gone. (Boy, talk about mixed metaphores, lol)
They simply look on this country as something to be looted. The looting is going well. Think they'll stop? I don't.
They simply look on this country as something to be looted. The looting is going well. Think they'll stop? I don't.
Oops ~~ sorry. Meredyth. Old habits die hard, had a friend in high school named Meredith.
LOL, puddle! I am in bed! But I brought a computer with me. ;-)
Andrew C. White wrote on September 2, 2005 11:52 PM
This is how we are as a society. We care more about our stuff then we do each other. Property is more important then lives. The accumulation of wealth... no matter what the cost... is more important then our fellow man.
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Since you probably missed my little disquisition on the conservative credo yesterday, just let me observe that your perception about what's considered important grows directly out of the conviction that all men are sinful, accumulated wealth (things) is a sign of virtue, and obedience is the most important one. While these beliefs affect our judgement of others, they also affect our perception of ourselves.
If our possessions are a sign of our virtue, then their destruction is going to be perceived as an attack on ourselves.
Let's hope there weren't too many conservatives left in New Orleans.
This is how we are as a society. We care more about our stuff then we do each other. Property is more important then lives. The accumulation of wealth... no matter what the cost... is more important then our fellow man.
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Since you probably missed my little disquisition on the conservative credo yesterday, just let me observe that your perception about what's considered important grows directly out of the conviction that all men are sinful, accumulated wealth (things) is a sign of virtue, and obedience is the most important one. While these beliefs affect our judgement of others, they also affect our perception of ourselves.
If our possessions are a sign of our virtue, then their destruction is going to be perceived as an attack on ourselves.
Let's hope there weren't too many conservatives left in New Orleans.
cChalfonte wrote on September 3, 2005 01:16 AM
That's what the police always tell white people who want to interact with blacks. It's how the prejudice is spread on the one hand and segregation is maintained on the other. It's also part of the power-play the agents of authority thrive on. Telling white people they need to be afraid of blacks is actually part of the culture of intimidation.
Think of how many white women are afraid to go out of the house after dark because they're afraid some black man is going to jump out of the bushes and rape them. That keeping them under lock and key serves the interests of their white men folk doesn't occur to most of them. Besides, it's really hard to imagine when someone gives you advice that supposedly for your own good that it's not.
Not to mention that, if you don't follow that "good advice" and some misfortune does strike, it's your own fault for having failed to obey the injuction to stay home. See how that works?
Disobedience is the primary sin.
That's what the police always tell white people who want to interact with blacks. It's how the prejudice is spread on the one hand and segregation is maintained on the other. It's also part of the power-play the agents of authority thrive on. Telling white people they need to be afraid of blacks is actually part of the culture of intimidation.
Think of how many white women are afraid to go out of the house after dark because they're afraid some black man is going to jump out of the bushes and rape them. That keeping them under lock and key serves the interests of their white men folk doesn't occur to most of them. Besides, it's really hard to imagine when someone gives you advice that supposedly for your own good that it's not.
Not to mention that, if you don't follow that "good advice" and some misfortune does strike, it's your own fault for having failed to obey the injuction to stay home. See how that works?
Disobedience is the primary sin.
puddleriver*in*WV wrote on September 3, 2005 05:42 AM
OK, if this report that the evacuations have been halted is true, then what we've got to do is contact the Governors of every one of the states that are sending National Guard and have them state their people will not participate in this genocidal project.
OK, if this report that the evacuations have been halted is true, then what we've got to do is contact the Governors of every one of the states that are sending National Guard and have them state their people will not participate in this genocidal project.
Bush -- "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."
From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:
"The levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement. The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."
Officials are now saying that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."
--- As always, ignorance is Bush's only excuse. ---
From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:
"The levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement. The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."
Officials are now saying that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."
--- As always, ignorance is Bush's only excuse. ---
Conspiracy Secretary wrote on September 3, 2005 04:35 AM
Black people have been hearing for decades that if they vote, they'll get more respect. Guess what. It doesn't happen.
NO has been voting in black mayors since 1977. How much respect did that get the city? How about getting its levees fixed?
Besides, we've had people controlling this country for all that time who think of the vote as a rubber stamp, a sop to the people to let them think that it's going to be THEIR government, doing THEIR bidding, if they just elect the right people. Who are these right people? Where are the people who don't go into government to promote their business interests and the interests of their cronies?
Wonder why democracy isn't making much impact in Iraq?
Black people have been hearing for decades that if they vote, they'll get more respect. Guess what. It doesn't happen.
NO has been voting in black mayors since 1977. How much respect did that get the city? How about getting its levees fixed?
Besides, we've had people controlling this country for all that time who think of the vote as a rubber stamp, a sop to the people to let them think that it's going to be THEIR government, doing THEIR bidding, if they just elect the right people. Who are these right people? Where are the people who don't go into government to promote their business interests and the interests of their cronies?
Wonder why democracy isn't making much impact in Iraq?
I say it is time to start a movement to impeach Bush for lack of leadership and for standing idle while the nation is in crisis.
Fred
Fred
Liberal wrote on September 3, 2005 06:17 AM:
--- As always, ignorance is Bush's only excuse. ---
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so it was... for 9/11, for the insurgent resistance, and now the levees. This country has to stop "having a beer" with George Bush, and throw him out of the proverbial tavern.
Fred
--- As always, ignorance is Bush's only excuse. ---
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so it was... for 9/11, for the insurgent resistance, and now the levees. This country has to stop "having a beer" with George Bush, and throw him out of the proverbial tavern.
Fred
I wonder if Rumsfeld thinks the looting in NO is just some folks celebrating freedom, as he thought about the looting in Iraq.
Fred
Fred
It was the very black people of NO now existing in third world misery who turned out for Mary Landrieu in her 2002 runoff election and kept her in office. Why hasn't she been seen with and demanding help for the people who elected her? Will they be there for her again when the GOP targets her seat again in 2008? Don't count on it, Mary.
"It was the very black people of NO now existing in third world misery...."
My apologies to the third world. We've seen devastating natural disasters in Central America handled better and with more compassion than Katrina has been.
And if Bush gave a damn about people over misplaced and undeserved national pride he'd accept the generous offers of assistance from Cuba and Venezuela. Their help would probably arrive faster than Bush's.
My apologies to the third world. We've seen devastating natural disasters in Central America handled better and with more compassion than Katrina has been.
And if Bush gave a damn about people over misplaced and undeserved national pride he'd accept the generous offers of assistance from Cuba and Venezuela. Their help would probably arrive faster than Bush's.
Liberal wrote on September 3, 2005 06:17 AM
No, it's not ignorance. It's intentional. These people are "creative destructionists." They look on every form of destruction as an "opportunity" to create something new.
Didn't you hear Bush say first off that the nation would be better and stronger as a result of this catastrophe?
Other people's misery, especially shiftless, no-count blacks who just suck at the public tit, are an OPPORTUNITY to create something much better and new. Destruction is a "good thing."
These people have been destroying our inner cities, our factories, our cultural institutions and our schools for decades, always with the promise that something new and better will rise from the ashes. It hasn't and it won't. Because, believe it or not, you can only destroy what people have built so many times before their very souls and spirits are destroyed as well.
Just look at the young people with vacant eyes who are being raised up. Their creativity has been entirely suppressed. Man is primarily a tool user; it's what sets him apart from the rest of creation, although some other creatures use tools sporadically. But man the tool user isn't, as some seem to think, motivated primarily by the impulse to use tools to kill. No, man the tool user realizes his essence when he uses tools to replicate the processes of nature he comes to understand by using the tools in his hands. In other words, the essence of man is to be creative.
Which is why I think it is safe to say that the destroyers among us are the essence of evil.
While it is true that the creative process involves the transformation of matter, there's a world of difference between that and just smashing things. The expectation that someone else will pick up the pieces and put things back together just doesn't cut it in my book. Destruction is evil and the assumption that someone else will be creative doesn't make it better.
No, it's not ignorance. It's intentional. These people are "creative destructionists." They look on every form of destruction as an "opportunity" to create something new.
Didn't you hear Bush say first off that the nation would be better and stronger as a result of this catastrophe?
Other people's misery, especially shiftless, no-count blacks who just suck at the public tit, are an OPPORTUNITY to create something much better and new. Destruction is a "good thing."
These people have been destroying our inner cities, our factories, our cultural institutions and our schools for decades, always with the promise that something new and better will rise from the ashes. It hasn't and it won't. Because, believe it or not, you can only destroy what people have built so many times before their very souls and spirits are destroyed as well.
Just look at the young people with vacant eyes who are being raised up. Their creativity has been entirely suppressed. Man is primarily a tool user; it's what sets him apart from the rest of creation, although some other creatures use tools sporadically. But man the tool user isn't, as some seem to think, motivated primarily by the impulse to use tools to kill. No, man the tool user realizes his essence when he uses tools to replicate the processes of nature he comes to understand by using the tools in his hands. In other words, the essence of man is to be creative.
Which is why I think it is safe to say that the destroyers among us are the essence of evil.
While it is true that the creative process involves the transformation of matter, there's a world of difference between that and just smashing things. The expectation that someone else will pick up the pieces and put things back together just doesn't cut it in my book. Destruction is evil and the assumption that someone else will be creative doesn't make it better.
fred from Or wrote on September 3, 2005 06:20 AM
Bush, IMHO, is just the last and worst in a long line. If we don't recognize that, he'll just be followed by another more smooth-talking bastard, as was Nixon and Ford and Reagan and Bush the Elder, etc.
I found it particularly revealing that the PNAC people are coming out of the wood-work and claiming that 'no, they didn't have anything to do with the unfolding disaster that is Bush the Lesser.' They may not like the results, but Bush the Lesser and all his minions are their ideological heirs.
Why are they content with the title 'neocon'? Sounds better than creative destructionist, doesn't it?
If we do not understand what has happened, we aren't going to be able to change it.
Bush, IMHO, is just the last and worst in a long line. If we don't recognize that, he'll just be followed by another more smooth-talking bastard, as was Nixon and Ford and Reagan and Bush the Elder, etc.
I found it particularly revealing that the PNAC people are coming out of the wood-work and claiming that 'no, they didn't have anything to do with the unfolding disaster that is Bush the Lesser.' They may not like the results, but Bush the Lesser and all his minions are their ideological heirs.
Why are they content with the title 'neocon'? Sounds better than creative destructionist, doesn't it?
If we do not understand what has happened, we aren't going to be able to change it.
Liberal wrote on September 3, 2005 06:41 AM
Shame is not a particularly useful emotion. It leads to depression and what we need now is understanding and action. What we need now is to get really angry and recognize that the nation has been subject to a gross deception and that deception was only possible because most people are good and find it difficult to recognize the evil in others.
Their numbers are not legion. But their effects are wide-ranging. I'm reminded of what happened in our neighborhood which was terrorized by repeated break-ins over a number of years. People bought security systems; they became suspicious of any strangers on the street; they called the police at the least suspicious thing. Finally, after about three years, the police caught the culprit--ONE young man who lived near by and got a kick out of breaking into houses and stealing things he didn't need. Thousands were terrorized by one destructive individual.
Who knows whether sending him to jail turned his life around. At least the neighborhood got a lot more relaxed.
Shame is not a particularly useful emotion. It leads to depression and what we need now is understanding and action. What we need now is to get really angry and recognize that the nation has been subject to a gross deception and that deception was only possible because most people are good and find it difficult to recognize the evil in others.
Their numbers are not legion. But their effects are wide-ranging. I'm reminded of what happened in our neighborhood which was terrorized by repeated break-ins over a number of years. People bought security systems; they became suspicious of any strangers on the street; they called the police at the least suspicious thing. Finally, after about three years, the police caught the culprit--ONE young man who lived near by and got a kick out of breaking into houses and stealing things he didn't need. Thousands were terrorized by one destructive individual.
Who knows whether sending him to jail turned his life around. At least the neighborhood got a lot more relaxed.
Liberal wrote on September 3, 2005 06:28 AM
I do think we need to stop pretending that being a national elected official, or even a local one, for that matter, is some kind of plum situation. Being an honorable public servant is onerous. Only the unscrupulous will be affected by the threat to throw them out.
I do think we need to stop pretending that being a national elected official, or even a local one, for that matter, is some kind of plum situation. Being an honorable public servant is onerous. Only the unscrupulous will be affected by the threat to throw them out.
Quck pass-by to note that the words that Rapper Kanye West used to criticize Bush and that were omitted from the West Coast version of the NBC program have just been showcased ... and repeated ... on the CNN World News here.
Yes, the networks appear to be waking up. Wonder how long THAT will last.
Take care, all.
Yes, the networks appear to be waking up. Wonder how long THAT will last.
Take care, all.
Some 350 years ago Britain was plunged into a bitter Civil War which saw the forces of Parliament and the King pitted against each other. At the height of the conflict Cromwell, believing Parliament was no longer fit to conduct the affairs of the nation, declared:
"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go. "
The time has now arrived for Bush to heed Cromwell’s admonition.
"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go. "
The time has now arrived for Bush to heed Cromwell’s admonition.
Saw the term "bush-hater" being bandied about earlier and some denying the label.
It's gotten to the point where anything less than hating him and all that he stands for is unpatriotic.
So if someone calls you a bush-hater, pin it on your lapel right next to the American flag.
It's gotten to the point where anything less than hating him and all that he stands for is unpatriotic.
So if someone calls you a bush-hater, pin it on your lapel right next to the American flag.
About last night's politically incorrect incident on the benefit concert, when Kanye West said that Bush doesn't care about black people (and they didn't have "delay" on the live broadcast, apparently) --
To me, what was even more significant than the remark was what Matt Lauer said at the end of the show. Lauer is GOP, and at the end of the show he said something about the disaster bringing many responses, something about an appeal to idealism but also criticism, "both of which you've heard tonight".
The fact that he mentioned the incident again at the end of the show instead of glossing it over was, to me, very significant of a shift in thinking. To where it's now being generally recognized that the President is incompetent.
It was like Lauer was saying Kanye West wasn't some crackpot, but a valid critic worth listening to. And that's not vintage Matt Lauer. I was real surprised.
To me, what was even more significant than the remark was what Matt Lauer said at the end of the show. Lauer is GOP, and at the end of the show he said something about the disaster bringing many responses, something about an appeal to idealism but also criticism, "both of which you've heard tonight".
The fact that he mentioned the incident again at the end of the show instead of glossing it over was, to me, very significant of a shift in thinking. To where it's now being generally recognized that the President is incompetent.
It was like Lauer was saying Kanye West wasn't some crackpot, but a valid critic worth listening to. And that's not vintage Matt Lauer. I was real surprised.
Andrew C. White wrote on September 3, 2005 02:29 AM:
I was hoping that one of the resident bush saw today would spit in his face. I would.
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You know Andrew, I had secret thoughts yesterday after watching Bush "giving" comfort to those 2 young ladies of grabbing him around his neck and taking his face and shoving it into the SuperDome strench and misery and telling him to take a good look around. This is what he was responsible for.
I loved it on the news yesterday when they showed a black woman who had spent days under the underpass telling the reporter that she was inviting all of the politiciansd to come out and spend the night there with them.
I was hoping that one of the resident bush saw today would spit in his face. I would.
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You know Andrew, I had secret thoughts yesterday after watching Bush "giving" comfort to those 2 young ladies of grabbing him around his neck and taking his face and shoving it into the SuperDome strench and misery and telling him to take a good look around. This is what he was responsible for.
I loved it on the news yesterday when they showed a black woman who had spent days under the underpass telling the reporter that she was inviting all of the politiciansd to come out and spend the night there with them.
I've also been surprised at the harsh words some of the news commentators have dared utter. Not that it isn't justified - just surprised, that's all.
Anderson Cooper and Paula Zahn are two that will have punishment coming down the road.
Anderson Cooper and Paula Zahn are two that will have punishment coming down the road.
I was unable to see Bush arrive in NO. Where exactly did he go?
MonicaSmith wrote on September 3, 2005 06:38 AM:
Something else I was thinking last night while watching Dateline after the concert.
First it was odd that virtually every Dateline story was about white people... but I digress a bit.
What I found striking was the contrast between the patient black folk baking their lives away waiting for buses that weren't coming versus the impatient white folk walking out of the city on bloody feet, not knowing where they were going but just going.
That's not genetic, it's just centuries of rewarded behavior. Docile slaves got to live. Rebellious, runaway salves got whipped or killed. Meanwhile, whites were rewarded with lots of free land if they would risk their lives walking into the unknown.
So, even though all are created equal, we have bred into our black citizens a bias toward docility and into our white citizens a bias toward risk. And this, I think, is a huge part of the great divide which people tend to see as character flaws but are actually learned/rewarded behaviors.
I never understood why, during riots, black people would riot in their own neighborhoods vs. trashing white neighborhoods. But maybe it's just that when you pop the cork on your docility, you need the instinct for self presevation that says, pop your cork where it's least likely to get you killed.
Equality --as something more useful than an abstract -- is still very far away, and that's discouraging in the extreme.
Something else I was thinking last night while watching Dateline after the concert.
First it was odd that virtually every Dateline story was about white people... but I digress a bit.
What I found striking was the contrast between the patient black folk baking their lives away waiting for buses that weren't coming versus the impatient white folk walking out of the city on bloody feet, not knowing where they were going but just going.
That's not genetic, it's just centuries of rewarded behavior. Docile slaves got to live. Rebellious, runaway salves got whipped or killed. Meanwhile, whites were rewarded with lots of free land if they would risk their lives walking into the unknown.
So, even though all are created equal, we have bred into our black citizens a bias toward docility and into our white citizens a bias toward risk. And this, I think, is a huge part of the great divide which people tend to see as character flaws but are actually learned/rewarded behaviors.
I never understood why, during riots, black people would riot in their own neighborhoods vs. trashing white neighborhoods. But maybe it's just that when you pop the cork on your docility, you need the instinct for self presevation that says, pop your cork where it's least likely to get you killed.
Equality --as something more useful than an abstract -- is still very far away, and that's discouraging in the extreme.
The black guy who was on MSNBC and they cut him off is Kayne West- and I feel the same way-he got it out, he said it. We've all been thinking it, and he (finally) verbalized it. How does this, how can this not, at the very least, appear racist?
Kim*in*IN wrote on September 3, 2005 08:16 AM:
To hell?
Literally and figuratively?
I only wish that he would have to stay there until things are put right. There really "ought to be consequences".
To hell?
Literally and figuratively?
I only wish that he would have to stay there until things are put right. There really "ought to be consequences".
rangatango wrote on September 3, 2005 08:19 AM:
I'm not absolutely convinced it's racist, but it sure as heck is classist.
I mean, if it was one of the Georgia suburbs where rich black folk live, I think he would have taken care of that straightaway because they would be potential GOP fatcats.
And if it wasn't NO but some city of poor white folk in Appalachia, then he would be the way he's being now, "Hey, hang in there! When it rains, open your mouth." Because poor voters don't count, just rich ones with the money for the ads to brainwash the poor ones with.
I wish kids would get it that the most powerful weapon one has is education and awareness. I wish kids would understand what the slaves understood, that literacy was power and the gift most to be prized at risk of one's very life. I wish they would understand that they dishonor the memory of the slaves when they turn up their nose at studies and brag on their apathy.
I'm not absolutely convinced it's racist, but it sure as heck is classist.
I mean, if it was one of the Georgia suburbs where rich black folk live, I think he would have taken care of that straightaway because they would be potential GOP fatcats.
And if it wasn't NO but some city of poor white folk in Appalachia, then he would be the way he's being now, "Hey, hang in there! When it rains, open your mouth." Because poor voters don't count, just rich ones with the money for the ads to brainwash the poor ones with.
I wish kids would get it that the most powerful weapon one has is education and awareness. I wish kids would understand what the slaves understood, that literacy was power and the gift most to be prized at risk of one's very life. I wish they would understand that they dishonor the memory of the slaves when they turn up their nose at studies and brag on their apathy.
My daughter told me her friend asked if she could stay with my daughter three days a week because my daughter lives closer to her friend's work... you know, it's the high gas price thing.
My daughter told her NO! & said, "You voted for the m*ther f*cker"! (sorry to use crude language, but that's what she said).
My daughter told her NO! & said, "You voted for the m*ther f*cker"! (sorry to use crude language, but that's what she said).
kheart,
It can't be said enough, as the blame game starts:
Our troops don't mobilized themselves. The order comes from above. They don't just all get together and say: "hey, let's gather up our resources and head on over to NO and the other ravaged areas."
Thanks for your article.
It can't be said enough, as the blame game starts:
Our troops don't mobilized themselves. The order comes from above. They don't just all get together and say: "hey, let's gather up our resources and head on over to NO and the other ravaged areas."
Thanks for your article.
From the AP: Proof that the United States is both racist and bigoted toward the working class (i.e., If you don't have money, you are a "lesser" form of humanity)
"At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hilton Hotel could move to the front of the evacuation line - much to the amazement of those who had been crammed into the Superdome since last Sunday."
"How does this work? They are clean, they are dry, they get ahead of us?" exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get into their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage."
"At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hilton Hotel could move to the front of the evacuation line - much to the amazement of those who had been crammed into the Superdome since last Sunday."
"How does this work? They are clean, they are dry, they get ahead of us?" exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get into their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage."
Why in the world are there large congregations of people still waiting to be taken out of the area?
I don't think I'll be watching much coverage today. This has been as draining as 9/11 - more so, really.
How many of these folks do you suppose have homeowners insurance?
They will never get an accurate death toll from this. At least Texas has been on top of this from the beginning.
I don't think I'll be watching much coverage today. This has been as draining as 9/11 - more so, really.
How many of these folks do you suppose have homeowners insurance?
They will never get an accurate death toll from this. At least Texas has been on top of this from the beginning.
Just LISTENING to some of the coverage this morning got me so mad I had to go clean house.
The most recent rationale that the reason everything was delayed is because this is such a huge disaster. Well, it wouldn't have been so huge if they had been prepared to move right away. It wouldn't have been such a disaster, if they'd taken the recommended steps on the levees and the pumps.
Talk about 'penny-wise and pound foolish.' The Times is estimating that it will cost 100 billion because they knipped what a hundred million from the levee projects and marsh restoration?
And I don't even want to talk about money because the suffering caused to the population cannot be quantified.
I don't think either racism or classism is the explanation. I'm still holding to my theory that some population has to be victimized in order to intimidate the rest into being compliant. See, you induce the 'there but for the grace of god go I syndrome.' The observers of the victimization are so glad it's not happening to them that they become quiescent.
What we need is for everybody to recognize that they are likely to be next, just as the ancestors who came before them used to be the goats.
It just works so well. If you try to intimidate someone with physical force, they're likely to resist. Intimidation by punching on someone else is much more effective and the witnesses actually think themselves lucky when they escape being hit.
The most recent rationale that the reason everything was delayed is because this is such a huge disaster. Well, it wouldn't have been so huge if they had been prepared to move right away. It wouldn't have been such a disaster, if they'd taken the recommended steps on the levees and the pumps.
Talk about 'penny-wise and pound foolish.' The Times is estimating that it will cost 100 billion because they knipped what a hundred million from the levee projects and marsh restoration?
And I don't even want to talk about money because the suffering caused to the population cannot be quantified.
I don't think either racism or classism is the explanation. I'm still holding to my theory that some population has to be victimized in order to intimidate the rest into being compliant. See, you induce the 'there but for the grace of god go I syndrome.' The observers of the victimization are so glad it's not happening to them that they become quiescent.
What we need is for everybody to recognize that they are likely to be next, just as the ancestors who came before them used to be the goats.
It just works so well. If you try to intimidate someone with physical force, they're likely to resist. Intimidation by punching on someone else is much more effective and the witnesses actually think themselves lucky when they escape being hit.
My personal opinion - for what it's worth :-) - is that the response we are seeing is at heart the American belief that there is something wrong with people who "can't" rise above the working class. I have hated that part of this country all my life. I grew up in a working class neighborhood, so I know first-hand what fine people do the hard work of the country, doing work the "yuppies" and the wealthy would or could never do.
Add to that the racism that has just gone underground in the past couple of decades, and you get what has happened in the Gulf Coast response. Remember, it's not just in New Orleans that the poor, the black, the weak, the eldely and frail have been neglected. There are tiny communities in Mississippi where no help has arrived, either.
Now, we have the fundamentalist "preachers" (i.e., money changers in the temple) screaming that the "sin" in New Orleans brought the wrath of God down on the area! Why don't we say, instead, that God is so p*ssed about the election of Bush once and the stolen election in 2000 that God has visited terrible things on the nation...9/11, this tragedy...Bush brings this country very bad luck. He needs to be impeached, even though it will never happen.
Add to that the racism that has just gone underground in the past couple of decades, and you get what has happened in the Gulf Coast response. Remember, it's not just in New Orleans that the poor, the black, the weak, the eldely and frail have been neglected. There are tiny communities in Mississippi where no help has arrived, either.
Now, we have the fundamentalist "preachers" (i.e., money changers in the temple) screaming that the "sin" in New Orleans brought the wrath of God down on the area! Why don't we say, instead, that God is so p*ssed about the election of Bush once and the stolen election in 2000 that God has visited terrible things on the nation...9/11, this tragedy...Bush brings this country very bad luck. He needs to be impeached, even though it will never happen.
It was absolutely REVOLTING to watch footage on CNN yesterday (I don't remember which show) of Trent Lott wiping away a tear at his homestead rubble (not that he isn't allowed to be upset) - and then boarding a helicopter.
Look - it really wouldn't have bothered me if he hadn't been lecturing Anderson Cooper on the need for the residents without helicopters waiting to just suck it up.
Very bad PR on the part of most politicians involved in this.
Look - it really wouldn't have bothered me if he hadn't been lecturing Anderson Cooper on the need for the residents without helicopters waiting to just suck it up.
Very bad PR on the part of most politicians involved in this.
Kim*in*IN wrote on September 3, 2005 09:27 AM:
I feel the same way. I do not have the heart to turn on the TV.
I am so mad and so sad at the same time, I am completely drained.
It is probably a good thing that I am working today.
I feel the same way. I do not have the heart to turn on the TV.
I am so mad and so sad at the same time, I am completely drained.
It is probably a good thing that I am working today.
I'm watching some kind of press conference on Baton Rouge station WAFB. I got into it after it started, so I don't know the identity of the speaker. He's some law enforcment guy, and he's discussing arrests. People are asking questions that the microphones aren't picking up, but the answer to one question was: there aren't any bondsman, there won't be any detention hearing. They will be held until we can get them out of the area. He says they will be arrested, brought to a detention center, identified, given necessary medical attention, secured, and held until they can be moved to a jail.
I just hope they get exposed to the justice system faster than those at Gitmo.
I just hope they get exposed to the justice system faster than those at Gitmo.
"Now, we have the fundamentalist "preachers" (i.e., money changers in the temple) screaming that the "sin" in New Orleans brought the wrath of God down on the area!"
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Elaine,
Please don't tell me this is true. Do you remember any names? Or, are you like me at this point - where every comment is running together.
I have heard Rush and his stand in, O'Riley's replacement, and several other hate-shouters state flat-out that the reason the folks in NO wouldn't leave is because: "they wanted to make sure they were there to get their checks on the first."
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Elaine,
Please don't tell me this is true. Do you remember any names? Or, are you like me at this point - where every comment is running together.
I have heard Rush and his stand in, O'Riley's replacement, and several other hate-shouters state flat-out that the reason the folks in NO wouldn't leave is because: "they wanted to make sure they were there to get their checks on the first."
Martial law always makes me just a tad nervous. I'm already willing to bet that the majority of the arrestees will have dark pigmentation.
Kanye West: 'George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People.'
Friday, 02 September 2005
Kanye West slammed President Bush during NBC's live broadcast of Concert for Hurricane Relief.
In an impromptu speech, the Grammy winner informed viewers of the fact that Bush had given National Guardsmen the order to shoot at the residents of New Orleans caught taking provisions out of stores.
Nervous, stuttering and angry, West pointed out that African-Americans who were caught stealing in New Orleans were labeled by the media as looters, but whites doing the same thing were "finding" food.
While West spoke, his partner a seemingly speechless Mike Myers, tried to return to the show's script.
West then declared "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
He didn't finish what he was saying after that because NBC producers cut away.
When the telethon was re-broadcast, West's entire speech was played again, but without the statement, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
An hour later, NBC issued a statement regarding West's comments.
Here is a statement from NBC regarding West's comments on the telethon:
"Tonight's telecast was a live television event wrought with emotion. Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks. It would be most unfortunate if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's opinion."
The hour-long NBC telethon purpose on Friday was to raise money for the Red Cross.
Other artists included Wynton Marsalis, Harry Connick Junior, Tim McGraw, and Aaron Neville.
Friday, 02 September 2005
Kanye West slammed President Bush during NBC's live broadcast of Concert for Hurricane Relief.
In an impromptu speech, the Grammy winner informed viewers of the fact that Bush had given National Guardsmen the order to shoot at the residents of New Orleans caught taking provisions out of stores.
Nervous, stuttering and angry, West pointed out that African-Americans who were caught stealing in New Orleans were labeled by the media as looters, but whites doing the same thing were "finding" food.
While West spoke, his partner a seemingly speechless Mike Myers, tried to return to the show's script.
West then declared "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
He didn't finish what he was saying after that because NBC producers cut away.
When the telethon was re-broadcast, West's entire speech was played again, but without the statement, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
An hour later, NBC issued a statement regarding West's comments.
Here is a statement from NBC regarding West's comments on the telethon:
"Tonight's telecast was a live television event wrought with emotion. Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks. It would be most unfortunate if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's opinion."
The hour-long NBC telethon purpose on Friday was to raise money for the Red Cross.
Other artists included Wynton Marsalis, Harry Connick Junior, Tim McGraw, and Aaron Neville.
RE: MonicaSmith wrote on September 3, 2005 06:19 AM
It's simple, really - if you do not own the means of production then you are dependent upon those who do. You are, in essence, their slave...
It's simple, really - if you do not own the means of production then you are dependent upon those who do. You are, in essence, their slave...
ElaineinRoanokeVA wrote on September 3, 2005 09:32 AM:
My Dad never made over $5.00 an hour. Of course this was back when wages were much smaller. He used to tell us kids "remember having alot of money doesn't make you a better man". There was never anyone in need that my Dad would not help, if he couldn't give them money then he would help them other ways. I agree America puts way too much importance on how much money you make, and how important your job is.
My Dad never made over $5.00 an hour. Of course this was back when wages were much smaller. He used to tell us kids "remember having alot of money doesn't make you a better man". There was never anyone in need that my Dad would not help, if he couldn't give them money then he would help them other ways. I agree America puts way too much importance on how much money you make, and how important your job is.
Kim*in*IN wrote on September 3, 2005 09:33 AM:
It was absolutely REVOLTING to watch footage on CNN yesterday (I don't remember which show) of Trent Lott wiping away a tear at his homestead rubble (not that he isn't allowed to be upset) - and then boarding a helicopter.
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I caught that too. The only thing I can think of is the Republicans are so damned arrogant. That was just disgusting and revolting.
It was absolutely REVOLTING to watch footage on CNN yesterday (I don't remember which show) of Trent Lott wiping away a tear at his homestead rubble (not that he isn't allowed to be upset) - and then boarding a helicopter.
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I caught that too. The only thing I can think of is the Republicans are so damned arrogant. That was just disgusting and revolting.
Now some US attorneys are speaking, and they are a little more reassuring that charges will eventually be filed, perhaps in a few days (if it weren't for that darn holiday) but most likely before the passage of two weeks.
Well, I guess the prisoners will at least be fed, which may be better than some of those on the outside.
Well, I guess the prisoners will at least be fed, which may be better than some of those on the outside.
kheart,
In fairness, as long as there aren't some serious intervening problems, they will likely be treated okay, because most people in the system are trained professionals. I am just always hyper-vigilant and hate to see opportunities for abuse, because there are always a few on the law enforcement side who are happy to take advantage.
Things like 72-hour hearings, bail hearings, filing of charges, arraignments protect both sides, and I always hate to see some of these protections discarded.
I've seen what can happen at the extremes like Gitmo.
In fairness, as long as there aren't some serious intervening problems, they will likely be treated okay, because most people in the system are trained professionals. I am just always hyper-vigilant and hate to see opportunities for abuse, because there are always a few on the law enforcement side who are happy to take advantage.
Things like 72-hour hearings, bail hearings, filing of charges, arraignments protect both sides, and I always hate to see some of these protections discarded.
I've seen what can happen at the extremes like Gitmo.
jc wrote on September 3, 2005 09:54 AM:
jc, you always see the best in people, I so admire you. I am just not that way, I trust no one, always see the worst, always see the dark side of everything. It is not a good trait. Again I admire you.
jc, you always see the best in people, I so admire you. I am just not that way, I trust no one, always see the worst, always see the dark side of everything. It is not a good trait. Again I admire you.
In so many ways, the deaths here are like those in war. So many bodies that are going to be difficult to identify. Lots of family members who may never know for sure what happened to someone. I know the people on 9/11 went through the same thing.
Does everyone remember that the anniversary of 9/11 is just around the corner?
Does everyone remember that the anniversary of 9/11 is just around the corner?
kheart,
I worked in the criminal justice system, and I'm confident of the high percentage of professionals who do the right thing. But, I'm also acutely aware of the small percentage who don't.
I worked in the criminal justice system, and I'm confident of the high percentage of professionals who do the right thing. But, I'm also acutely aware of the small percentage who don't.
The destruction in the Gulf is massive – the NY Times puts it at over $100 B.
The time for chit chat and even finger pointing is over. Time for action.
It is clear this administration is totally incapable and unwilling to pursue the reconstruction at any level of commitment due to their rank incompetence and being ideological lashed to their faith-based adherence to tax cuts. It was the slavish worship of tax cuts and the War in Iraq that quite likely worsened the situation, particularly in New Orleans.
It is also sad that many of our Democratic leaders have been strangely mute on ideas.
We are about ideas and so here is a couple I’d like to throw out.
Let’s starting pressuring our Congress to do the following –NOW…
x An immediate, progressive surcharge on all incomes over $200 M. In effect Clinton did that in the 1990’s and look at the effect it had on the economy.
x Forming within weeks a bi-partisan commission with wide ranging powers to conduct the Gulf reconstruction, with a balance from all regions of the country. Bring in competent Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Peter Uberhoff who have had experience large projects such as the Olympics, and have done it without the graft that has been the hallmark of the Bush administration.
That’s only two and I am sure you have more. I can see Russ Feingold getting behind the spirit of this.
This kind of effort will prevent creating the black hole which will surely suck the life out of the rest of the country. Plus, such as infusion of cash going to the people who will 100% guaranteed to spend it and will provide a massive shot in the arm to industries here that make clean-up products and to construction firms.
Take it from me. I know the people who have a fanatical adherence to tax cuts, and to continue this insanity will only lead to our destruction as a nation.
But to get this done we have put aside all of our other causes for the moment to raise hell.
The time for chit chat and even finger pointing is over. Time for action.
It is clear this administration is totally incapable and unwilling to pursue the reconstruction at any level of commitment due to their rank incompetence and being ideological lashed to their faith-based adherence to tax cuts. It was the slavish worship of tax cuts and the War in Iraq that quite likely worsened the situation, particularly in New Orleans.
It is also sad that many of our Democratic leaders have been strangely mute on ideas.
We are about ideas and so here is a couple I’d like to throw out.
Let’s starting pressuring our Congress to do the following –NOW…
x An immediate, progressive surcharge on all incomes over $200 M. In effect Clinton did that in the 1990’s and look at the effect it had on the economy.
x Forming within weeks a bi-partisan commission with wide ranging powers to conduct the Gulf reconstruction, with a balance from all regions of the country. Bring in competent Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Peter Uberhoff who have had experience large projects such as the Olympics, and have done it without the graft that has been the hallmark of the Bush administration.
That’s only two and I am sure you have more. I can see Russ Feingold getting behind the spirit of this.
This kind of effort will prevent creating the black hole which will surely suck the life out of the rest of the country. Plus, such as infusion of cash going to the people who will 100% guaranteed to spend it and will provide a massive shot in the arm to industries here that make clean-up products and to construction firms.
Take it from me. I know the people who have a fanatical adherence to tax cuts, and to continue this insanity will only lead to our destruction as a nation.
But to get this done we have put aside all of our other causes for the moment to raise hell.
MonicaSmith wrote on September 3, 2005 09:27 AM
There's certainly an element -- sometimes a very strong one -- of intimidation to secure compliance in almost everything this administration does or allows to happen.
What is interesting is how badly they miscalculated on this. They expected the news media to toe the line again, as most of the media has done so reliably since 9/11. We can all be thankful that this time so many of them disobeyed.
IMO this disaster comes down to an unnerving degree of incompetence rooted in the right-wing's routine dismissal of facts and science -- a basic unwillingness to acknowledge any reality outside their immediate experience -- coupled with an anti-government, social darwinist ideology that is rooted in classism AND racism.
There's certainly an element -- sometimes a very strong one -- of intimidation to secure compliance in almost everything this administration does or allows to happen.
What is interesting is how badly they miscalculated on this. They expected the news media to toe the line again, as most of the media has done so reliably since 9/11. We can all be thankful that this time so many of them disobeyed.
IMO this disaster comes down to an unnerving degree of incompetence rooted in the right-wing's routine dismissal of facts and science -- a basic unwillingness to acknowledge any reality outside their immediate experience -- coupled with an anti-government, social darwinist ideology that is rooted in classism AND racism.
jc wrote on September 3, 2005 10:11 AM:
The photo is really something to see. I have to leave for work but want to look at it closer when I get home.
Everyone have a nice day. Peace.
The photo is really something to see. I have to leave for work but want to look at it closer when I get home.
Everyone have a nice day. Peace.
Oscar wrote on September 3, 2005 09:42 AM
You're right. But, the way ownership of the means of production was secured was by appropriating it from one group that was or was not using them as they saw fit, generally with the assistance of some lethal weapon, and then "giving" it and the designation "private property" to someone else.
Who gave man the right to decide which creatures could use what to sustain themselves. The Bible tells us it was God who, I would argue, is man's creation as much as all the other rules and regulations apportioning the globes resources that man has come up with.
Where we in the Judeo-christian tradition have gone wrong is in failing to recognize that the claim of ownership implies an obligation of stewardship. Ownership balanced by stewardship is one thing. Ownership in order to lay waste is another.
Indeed, from where I sit, waste is a negation of ownership. People who don't take care of their property as good stewards need to have it taken away.
You're right. But, the way ownership of the means of production was secured was by appropriating it from one group that was or was not using them as they saw fit, generally with the assistance of some lethal weapon, and then "giving" it and the designation "private property" to someone else.
Who gave man the right to decide which creatures could use what to sustain themselves. The Bible tells us it was God who, I would argue, is man's creation as much as all the other rules and regulations apportioning the globes resources that man has come up with.
Where we in the Judeo-christian tradition have gone wrong is in failing to recognize that the claim of ownership implies an obligation of stewardship. Ownership balanced by stewardship is one thing. Ownership in order to lay waste is another.
Indeed, from where I sit, waste is a negation of ownership. People who don't take care of their property as good stewards need to have it taken away.
Our "leaders":
Re: convention Center refugees
"We just learned about that today (thursday), and so I have directed that we have all available resources to get to that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water, the
medical care that they need," - Michael Brown, head of FEMA, yesterday.
and:
"'The good news is - and it's hard for some to see it now - that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house - there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch.' (Laughter)." - president George W. Bush, yesterday.
Re: convention Center refugees
"We just learned about that today (thursday), and so I have directed that we have all available resources to get to that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water, the
medical care that they need," - Michael Brown, head of FEMA, yesterday.
and:
"'The good news is - and it's hard for some to see it now - that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house - there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch.' (Laughter)." - president George W. Bush, yesterday.
The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."(Laughter.) - GWB...
Thank God we have such a great prez that says the *right thing at the right time*!
Thank God we have such a great prez that says the *right thing at the right time*!
At the press conference being covered by WAFB in Baton Rouge, they said they have been able to secure three Carnival Cruise ships to use to shelter people.
I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."(Laughter.) - GWB...
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Hopefully Cindy Sheehan will manage to be sitting out in the ditch when he does. ;-)
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Hopefully Cindy Sheehan will manage to be sitting out in the ditch when he does. ;-)
ceci wrote on September 3, 2005 09:41 AM:
I did not see this before I sent my letter. I wish I did, because I could have added, as long as they stated Kanye West's comments do not neccesarily represent NBC or the others affiliated with show, they would have been fine. They do not delete the persons comments, that was their right. He was a guest, he performed, he gets to speak.
This is what I sent to them and FCC...and a WHOLE host of others.
"Appearing two-thirds through the program, he claimed "George Bush doesn't
care about black people" and said America is set up "to help the poor, the
black people, the less well-off as slow as possible."
The show, simulcast from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, was aired
live to the East Coast, enabling the Grammy-winning rapper's outburst to
go out uncensored.
There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge "was
instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn't realize (West) had gone
off-script," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.
West's comment about the president was cut from NBC's West Coast airing,
which showed three hours later on tape."
HOW DARE YOU. What country do you think we live in? Now you edit
comments the "brass" didn't like? It's ok for NBC to exploit the disaster
with airing this concert to benefit them, but people are not even allowed
to speak and be heard without being foul or cursing? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You owe the American people and Kanye West an apology for dictating what
they should hear. How DARE you. I am disgusted at this and will no
longer tune in to ANY of NBC's affiliates until you DO apologize.
Censorship will not be tolerated in ANY country, let a lone the UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA.
Sincerely,
Linda
ceci,
Putting aside my disapproval of this Administration's handling of just about everything -
it was downright painful to listen to his remarks yesterday in Mississippi. At that very comment on Trent Lott's house and the fantastic Gulf Coast, I thought, "thank goodness those most severely impacted don't have electricity to hear this."
Putting aside my disapproval of this Administration's handling of just about everything -
it was downright painful to listen to his remarks yesterday in Mississippi. At that very comment on Trent Lott's house and the fantastic Gulf Coast, I thought, "thank goodness those most severely impacted don't have electricity to hear this."
Good morning, all. I have been waiting 2 hours for a new thread. Think it will ever happen?
Slept much better last night, but still not enough.
Wonder how many will die today.
Lastest guess over 10,000 before it is all over and costs over $100 billion (most of that will go to Bush's buddies like Haliburton who will exploit this for all it's worth)
Slept much better last night, but still not enough.
Wonder how many will die today.
Lastest guess over 10,000 before it is all over and costs over $100 billion (most of that will go to Bush's buddies like Haliburton who will exploit this for all it's worth)
"IMO this disaster comes down to an unnerving degree of incompetence rooted in the right-wing's routine dismissal of facts and science -- a basic unwillingness to acknowledge any reality outside their immediate experience -- coupled with an anti-government, social darwinist ideology that is rooted in classism AND racism.": JeannieB in CrozetVA @10:23 wrote this paragraph
JayDean says:
To incompetence I would add criminal negligence. There are Bush supporter who believe in faith based science and engineering, the "intelligent design crowd," but the actual rulers of the Bush administration are not ignorant. They do what they do for political and economic power, and they have gotten away with so much (negligently allowing 9/11, going into Iraq for nonexistant WMD), they no doubt believe they can allow and capitalize on another disaster for more personal and political gain. And they may be correct. We will have to see how this plays out.
JayDean says:
To incompetence I would add criminal negligence. There are Bush supporter who believe in faith based science and engineering, the "intelligent design crowd," but the actual rulers of the Bush administration are not ignorant. They do what they do for political and economic power, and they have gotten away with so much (negligently allowing 9/11, going into Iraq for nonexistant WMD), they no doubt believe they can allow and capitalize on another disaster for more personal and political gain. And they may be correct. We will have to see how this plays out.
Oscar wrote on September 3, 2005 09:42 AM:
It's simple, really - if you do not own the means of production then you are dependent upon those who do. You are, in essence, their slave...
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If that's what you believe, then do some work, save some money and buy some means of production. It's not difficult - millions of us have done it.
It's simple, really - if you do not own the means of production then you are dependent upon those who do. You are, in essence, their slave...
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If that's what you believe, then do some work, save some money and buy some means of production. It's not difficult - millions of us have done it.
Superdome Evacuations Temporarily Halted
By MARY FOSTER
Associated Press Writer
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Buses taking Hurricane Katrina victims far from the squalor of the Superdome stopped rolling early Saturday. As many as 5,000 people remained in the stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air National Guard.
Officials had hoped to evacuate the last of the crowd before dawn Saturday. Guard members said they were told only that the buses had stopped coming and to shut down the area where the vehicles were being loaded.
"We were rolling," Capt. Jean Clark said. "If the buses had kept coming, we would have this whole place cleaned out already or pretty close to it."
Does any one else find this particularly DISTURBING? W T F? You MUST be kidding, right?
WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM?
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Associated Press Writer
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Buses taking Hurricane Katrina victims far from the squalor of the Superdome stopped rolling early Saturday. As many as 5,000 people remained in the stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air National Guard.
Officials had hoped to evacuate the last of the crowd before dawn Saturday. Guard members said they were told only that the buses had stopped coming and to shut down the area where the vehicles were being loaded.
"We were rolling," Capt. Jean Clark said. "If the buses had kept coming, we would have this whole place cleaned out already or pretty close to it."
Does any one else find this particularly DISTURBING? W T F? You MUST be kidding, right?
WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM?
They are not reporting accurately on West. They say his commments were deleted from the delayed broadcast. I live in Arizona and I got it either 2 or 3 hours later than New York and his comments were still there.
They also said it pulled away to Chris Rock. I remember it was a black guy, but it didn't look like Chris Rock unless he has had a lot of plastic surgery since I have seen him last.
However, as dumb and incompetant as MSM is, can you believe all these officials from the Bush administration...when questioned by the administration...said they 'didn't know' about all these people dying and stuff??? It has been all over the news for days. They have entire teams employeed to scan the news each day and report if Bush is getting favorable press and what is out there. So, I guess they would rather look stupid than evil and denial has always worked for Bush in the past with his brain dead sheep following.
They also said it pulled away to Chris Rock. I remember it was a black guy, but it didn't look like Chris Rock unless he has had a lot of plastic surgery since I have seen him last.
However, as dumb and incompetant as MSM is, can you believe all these officials from the Bush administration...when questioned by the administration...said they 'didn't know' about all these people dying and stuff??? It has been all over the news for days. They have entire teams employeed to scan the news each day and report if Bush is getting favorable press and what is out there. So, I guess they would rather look stupid than evil and denial has always worked for Bush in the past with his brain dead sheep following.
Linda*in*Cincinnati wrote on September 3, 2005 10:58 AM:
Well, I know they had Redcross and local guardspeople ready to help over 2 days ago but they were not let in thanks to FEMA and the feds saying it was 'too dangerous' to go in. I am hearing all kinds of reports from Redcross volunteers and other groups including national guard who came to NO and just stood around because they were not given their orders. Ted Koppel touched on it last night when he was talking to an LA senator who had seen that first hand.
Well, I know they had Redcross and local guardspeople ready to help over 2 days ago but they were not let in thanks to FEMA and the feds saying it was 'too dangerous' to go in. I am hearing all kinds of reports from Redcross volunteers and other groups including national guard who came to NO and just stood around because they were not given their orders. Ted Koppel touched on it last night when he was talking to an LA senator who had seen that first hand.
Anyone know how many people are still at the CC?
I've been thinking about those poor mothers with toddlers. It must be so hard to try to survive *and* make sure your toddler doesn't wander off.
Last night Geraldo interviewed a guy who was holding a baby that wasn't his. He said it belonged to the lady that was passed out over on the bench.
I've been thinking about those poor mothers with toddlers. It must be so hard to try to survive *and* make sure your toddler doesn't wander off.
Last night Geraldo interviewed a guy who was holding a baby that wasn't his. He said it belonged to the lady that was passed out over on the bench.
I find it quite disingenuous for neocons to claim that Bush is not following their direction when, immediately before invading Iraq, he gave a speech before the Heritage Foundation that mouthed their neocon strategy of PNAC and predicted that democratization of almost the entire world would be a consequence of our invasion of Iraq. I'm not sure, but this speech can probably still be located in C-Span archives. Like a bad dream, the players in this scenario keep reappearing. Even the relatively new ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, is one of them, as is his wife, Cheryl Benard, a proponent of "religion building" and the nutty end of history philosophy. We know that Wolfowitz and Pearl, two of the prime neocon players, were instrumental in guiding us into this mess in Iraq. Pearl must be in hiding somewhere because I haven't seen his face in months, which is a good thing. Many of these individuals are connected with the Rand Corp., a rightwing think tank that is funded by the U.S. government and private contributions from U.S. corporations, Exxon/Mobile being one of the prime ones.
Which neocons are abandoning this policy? I really don't see it. Maybe they're just hiding and allowing Bush to take the heat. Maybe what they're planning is not the abandonment of the policy, but a change in its name. They seem to be good at using the English language to cover their tracks. Lately, they've been throwing around words such as "progressive" and a new "New Deal."
Unfortunately, one of the major problems here is that we don't have the well organized, well funded, and totally dedicated counterparts on our side who can beat down and expose these dangerous doctrines. It has to be done continually, repeatedly, and publicly to be effective. Democrats seem to get bored with these things, or just give up.
Which neocons are abandoning this policy? I really don't see it. Maybe they're just hiding and allowing Bush to take the heat. Maybe what they're planning is not the abandonment of the policy, but a change in its name. They seem to be good at using the English language to cover their tracks. Lately, they've been throwing around words such as "progressive" and a new "New Deal."
Unfortunately, one of the major problems here is that we don't have the well organized, well funded, and totally dedicated counterparts on our side who can beat down and expose these dangerous doctrines. It has to be done continually, repeatedly, and publicly to be effective. Democrats seem to get bored with these things, or just give up.
re: Linda*in*Cincinnati wrote on September 3, 2005 10:44 AM
NBC is a *Red* network; I'd expect nothing less from them.
NBC is a *Red* network; I'd expect nothing less from them.
CNN just said there's still 30,000 people in the CC area.
does anyone with more googling exppertise help me pull up some information on the evacuation of Saigon. I remeber growing up watching helicopter aftre helicopter filling up with people , on the roof of the american embasy there, all of this while the country was at war, shots were being fired at the helicopters and the city was being overun.
I'd like to compare the figures of how many were transported out and in what time frame and yet in NO we can't get 20,000 people moved, american citizens, not refuggees. with ample amounts of busses.
I'd like to compare the figures of how many were transported out and in what time frame and yet in NO we can't get 20,000 people moved, american citizens, not refuggees. with ample amounts of busses.
"100 residents are still left in The Point (Algiers) and they are now under seige from the mob that was released from the convention center. They have had to kill 4 people in an attempt to protect their property and life.
Please get state police in!"
Please get state police in!"
There are many contradictions in the neocon antigovernment philosophy. While these idealogues oppose government intervention to help the poor or to provide for the general welfare, they continue to feed at the government trough like so many greedy pigs when it comes to incentives, subsidies, and waging wars in foreign lands to protect their investments. They also enjoy those powerful and high profile government jobs that put them on the revolving door of multimillion dollar job market. Dick Cheney is a prime example. When it comes to government largesse, his pigpen has become absolutely glutinous. Gee, shouldn't we remind this bunch that gluttony is one of the original deadly sins?
RE: 1 in 63 million wrote on September 3, 2005 10:54 AM
The only way to buy it is to find someone willing to sell it. If there are no sellers then the only other option is to take it - use Eminent Domain or declare a Manifest Destiny or say that they have WMDs and are harboring terrorists - all within the American tradition...
The only way to buy it is to find someone willing to sell it. If there are no sellers then the only other option is to take it - use Eminent Domain or declare a Manifest Destiny or say that they have WMDs and are harboring terrorists - all within the American tradition...
Vicki upstate Ny wrote on September 3, 2005 11:10 AM:
That whole shots were fired and that is why the guard is not letting people in is a cover. I am convinced they want these people to die. The military is trained for much worse...worse gunfire.
If they can't handle one or two people taking shots, how can they fight a war in Iraq or protect us here?
They could have dropped off military personnel first, secured the spots, then came in with a second copter to drop food.
Have been reading reports that the shots were not fired at them anyway, but in the air to get their attention because they were not stopping.
Have heard reports from many people sitting on their roof tops saying the same thing...copters fly by, but no one stops.
It isn't getting better.
There is no logical explanation for this, other than the government wants them do die.
Maybe so rich developers can come in and take their lands.
That whole shots were fired and that is why the guard is not letting people in is a cover. I am convinced they want these people to die. The military is trained for much worse...worse gunfire.
If they can't handle one or two people taking shots, how can they fight a war in Iraq or protect us here?
They could have dropped off military personnel first, secured the spots, then came in with a second copter to drop food.
Have been reading reports that the shots were not fired at them anyway, but in the air to get their attention because they were not stopping.
Have heard reports from many people sitting on their roof tops saying the same thing...copters fly by, but no one stops.
It isn't getting better.
There is no logical explanation for this, other than the government wants them do die.
Maybe so rich developers can come in and take their lands.
DavidA. Stevenson wrote September 3, 2005, 10:47 A.M.
David, Thanks for that information about the former head of the Army Corps. of Engineers. Appratently, someone got to this man and "encouraged" him to cover for Bush. This group knows how to get everyone possible out to shill for their cause. Now they even have Karen Hughes back, and she's adept at this strategy.
It looks like this man is choosing his words carefully, though. Why did he choose the 50M dollar cost? Did anyone ask him how much it would have taken to do the job, or how much money it would have saved and how much human suffering it would have prevented?
David, Thanks for that information about the former head of the Army Corps. of Engineers. Appratently, someone got to this man and "encouraged" him to cover for Bush. This group knows how to get everyone possible out to shill for their cause. Now they even have Karen Hughes back, and she's adept at this strategy.
It looks like this man is choosing his words carefully, though. Why did he choose the 50M dollar cost? Did anyone ask him how much it would have taken to do the job, or how much money it would have saved and how much human suffering it would have prevented?
Last night I saw that actor from the Dukes of Hazzard (original one, the blonde guy) talking about looters and the people stealing tvs and to give them back. What a racist pr!ck! At a time like this...and that is what they care about.
Bush spent two days talking about looters and criminals instead of acting and saving people.
Then he spent another day talking and still not giving the guard the okay.
As of last night, still reports guardsmen there are sitting around waiting for orders.
If I were in the guard, any chance I had to get to a phone or computer I would email a major media source and tell they that they need someone to give them the orders because they are trying to help and no one will let them.
Bush spent two days talking about looters and criminals instead of acting and saving people.
Then he spent another day talking and still not giving the guard the okay.
As of last night, still reports guardsmen there are sitting around waiting for orders.
If I were in the guard, any chance I had to get to a phone or computer I would email a major media source and tell they that they need someone to give them the orders because they are trying to help and no one will let them.
cHeRyL! wrote on September 3, 2005 11:01 AM:
I hate to joke at a time like this, but they sure can't say Democrats are the disorganized party after this disaster. This goes way beyond that, any how. This actually seems quite on purpose, I'm sorry to say. This is blowing me away. This does not make any sense. The army builds emergency bridges. W T F is going on here?
I hate to joke at a time like this, but they sure can't say Democrats are the disorganized party after this disaster. This goes way beyond that, any how. This actually seems quite on purpose, I'm sorry to say. This is blowing me away. This does not make any sense. The army builds emergency bridges. W T F is going on here?
jjem! wrote September 03, 2005, 11:18 A.M.
Generals are expected to be loyal to the commander in chief, and they usually keep their political affiliation secret.
Generals are expected to be loyal to the commander in chief, and they usually keep their political affiliation secret.
Jim*W wrote on September 3, 2005 10:59 AM:
Being a suspicious tin-hat person, let me suggest that the interests of the insurance companies will be well served if there is civil insurrection. They will not have to pay off on their policies if fires are set as a result of insurrection or civil unrest.
Just as the continuing civil unrest in Iraq is making it possible to continue constructing permanent US military bases which will have to be staffed "until the security situation is resolved" fomenting unrest in Louisiana and Mississippi will serve a purpose.
Keep in mind that many business and home-owner insurance policies don't cover damage from floods--only wind and fire--but fires from civil disturbance are excluded.
Being a suspicious tin-hat person, let me suggest that the interests of the insurance companies will be well served if there is civil insurrection. They will not have to pay off on their policies if fires are set as a result of insurrection or civil unrest.
Just as the continuing civil unrest in Iraq is making it possible to continue constructing permanent US military bases which will have to be staffed "until the security situation is resolved" fomenting unrest in Louisiana and Mississippi will serve a purpose.
Keep in mind that many business and home-owner insurance policies don't cover damage from floods--only wind and fire--but fires from civil disturbance are excluded.
"Apparently," not the typo mess I posted. You know. . .
hopesprings wrote on September 2, 2005 11:28 PM:
Where is Cheney?
Running the country while Bush does PR, of course.
Where is Cheney?
Running the country while Bush does PR, of course.
I don't think it was a black or white issue, just plain Ineptitude, Insensitivity, and Ignorance. Incredible! Impeach!
Right on, Andrew C. White!
FDR's and JFK's inaugural addresses are a good read. Refreshing. Old. JFK pointed out: a free society that cannot take care of the many who are poor cannot save the few who are rich. Where is he when we need him?
I think that we should hold Bush to substantially increasing the minimum wage 50-100%, subsidize that instead of Exxon for a change. Bush abandoned these survivors, still stranded by Katrina, a long time ago. Give folks in New Orleans a chance to live above the poverty level, and they'll do a hell of a good job getting out, like middle-classers and uppers.
Earning a middle-class wage and watching from my bedroom leaves me feeling disheartened-- and irreconcilably, self-conscious. I feel outrage and fear, as I watch George the Second treat folks who are not rich like garbage-- because I'm not rich. Then I feel shame and responsibility for having far more than I need, for knowing that I would have driven or flew out of there in time-- because I'm not poor.
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