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Page writes:I first read about Howard Dean in the Seattle publication, The Stranger. It was a story about a vibrant, intelligent, moderate Presidential candidate who was also anti-war. I was intrigued and thrilled. On June 28, 2003, I joined 3,000 other Dean supporters at my first Dean rally in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and I left thinking "I will do everything in my power to help this man." I managed to balance my graduate work in chemistry with doing anything and everything I could do for his campaign. I had my "15 minutes of fame" on Blog for America when I joined up with a Seattle Dean supporter to canvas on Mercer Island ("Albuquerque-Seattle Dean Alliance") and the Nov. 7 ("Drive for Democracy").
Frank writes:
Ever since Bush became president of the United States in 2001, I had been following US politics more closely than usual. I was worried about the direction his administration was taking the country in, and the effects of its disastrous foreign policy. I was disappointed to not find much Democratic resistance to his policies. Until, at the start of 2003, I read an article about Howard Dean speaking out against the obviously impending Iraq war.
I was happy to see a Democrat stand up for what he believed in, and started following his campaign. When Blog for America came online, I made my first blog comment shortly afterwards, on June 17th (here), becoming the first foreigner to comment.
Initially, I hesitated to comment more, since I was a foreigner. However, I was welcomed warmly, so I gradually started commenting more, and became a regular on the blog, inspired by the energy and hope of the Dean campaign.
Page writes:
In July 2003, I discovered an online political chat room frequented by many Dean supporters. A guy from Amsterdam started to join the chat, under the name "Frank_in_A-dam". I was intrigued that a European was so very passionate about the Dean campaign – not to mention he was funny and intelligent. When I was volunteering for Dean in Claremont, New Hampshire, for two weeks over my winter break, Frank and I talked on the phone for the first time.
The rest is history. Frank came to visit me in Albuquerque over my spring break, and I still can't believe that I've met the love of my life through the Dean campaign.
Frank writes:
Since I will be in the United States regularly this year to be with Page, I will be able to follow the elections closely. As a European, I really hope that a sense of normalcy can be restored to a country that has been a very good friend of ours for a long time, but is given an increasingly bad name by the Bush adminstration.
We both believe that Democracy for America can play an important role by making sure that the Democratic party will have candidates at all levels who care about people, and will stand up for what they believe in. And we know that it can play a part in electing Democratic presidents, whose administrations will once again work with their allies as friends are supposed to. This time it will not be Howard Dean who will be president, but please make sure it is the Democratic nominee, and not George W. Bush.
"Initially, I hesitated to comment more, since I was a foreigner."
To (sort of) quote Lyle Lovett - That's right. You're not from America. But America wants you anyway!
To (sort of) quote Lyle Lovett - That's right. You're not from America. But America wants you anyway!
So (no pressure, here, LOL) are you two going to tie the knot at DEANFEST? I swear, I'd have to find a way to come!!
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 06:52 PM
Howard needs more notice than that for a wedding invitation!
Howard needs more notice than that for a wedding invitation!
Look mom, I'm famous!
I haven't posted here for quite a while (not since Dean dropped out of the primary race), but I do still read the blog from time to time. I'll be following the presidential and congressional race closely, and hope to have a celebration with Page on November 2nd (that's the general election date, not a wedding date ;))
I haven't posted here for quite a while (not since Dean dropped out of the primary race), but I do still read the blog from time to time. I'll be following the presidential and congressional race closely, and hope to have a celebration with Page on November 2nd (that's the general election date, not a wedding date ;))
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 06:54 PM
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But he'll *BE* there, lol. Can former Governors marry people? That'd be a hoot!
Cute picture: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
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But he'll *BE* there, lol. Can former Governors marry people? That'd be a hoot!
Cute picture: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Congradulations Page and Frank! Now that we know someone who has hooked up because of the Dean campaign, can we get someone to post on how the Dean campaign has driven them to divorce their spouse? Just kidding. Although I have had to give up certain things to my husband because of all the roadtripping I've been doing.
P.S.
What's with the font on the main page, for the past couple of weeks it's been large and bold and overlapping on the blog posts, now it's small font and light shade of Black?
or is it just my PC?
P.S.
What's with the font on the main page, for the past couple of weeks it's been large and bold and overlapping on the blog posts, now it's small font and light shade of Black?
or is it just my PC?
Well, I'm very honored to be # One (and Two, lol) on the Frank and Page thread. If Page isn't lying, I've waked Frank up enough times (Page laughing so hard. . . .or "I'll have to wake him up to show him this". . . )
Community is Wonderful!
"But he'll *BE* there, lol. Can former Governors marry people? That'd be a hoot!
Cute picture: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 06:59 PM"
Oh... *That* would be cool! Sorry, guys. The decision has been made for you. You are getting married by Howard Dean at DeanFest! Find something nice to wear.
Cute picture: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 06:59 PM"
Oh... *That* would be cool! Sorry, guys. The decision has been made for you. You are getting married by Howard Dean at DeanFest! Find something nice to wear.
please forgive me, but want to make sure HQ sees this post from the last thread.
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Welcome Laura. I love NPR! DFA has the best talents guiding and working for it.
We'd welcome and love a visit from Governor Dean anytime this summer along the Mississippi River. There is a wonderful opportunity for him at the end of June when many towns will be hosting the Grand Excursion on the Mississippi with the majestic river boats loaded with people taking in the sights and sounds of these river towns. I believe it starts out in St Louis and continues north towards St. Paul. HQ should look into it...what an ideal opportunity to meet citizens and spread the word or share some good ole MidWest hospitality. It may even be a superb idear to include an appearance with both the Governor and Kerry...it could be a fabulous way to rub elbows with potential supporters.
Hope HQ and Laura will take a serious look into it.
Posted by martha in ia at May 22, 2004 06:45 PM
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Welcome Laura. I love NPR! DFA has the best talents guiding and working for it.
We'd welcome and love a visit from Governor Dean anytime this summer along the Mississippi River. There is a wonderful opportunity for him at the end of June when many towns will be hosting the Grand Excursion on the Mississippi with the majestic river boats loaded with people taking in the sights and sounds of these river towns. I believe it starts out in St Louis and continues north towards St. Paul. HQ should look into it...what an ideal opportunity to meet citizens and spread the word or share some good ole MidWest hospitality. It may even be a superb idear to include an appearance with both the Governor and Kerry...it could be a fabulous way to rub elbows with potential supporters.
Hope HQ and Laura will take a serious look into it.
Posted by martha in ia at May 22, 2004 06:45 PM
I heard a rumor and was wondering if anyone had heard the same.
It goes that Kerry will be picking Gephardt as the VP. Understanding that NO ONE likes Geppy, Kerry is afraid that there will be contention at the Convention. His under-performance is not helping matters.
I heard that Kerry is scared that the delegates assigned to him and to other candidates will revolt and vote for someone else for an eleventh hour chance to pick a new nominee. This is the real reason he doesn't want to accept the nomination at the convention.
I half believe it because we have already had a primary that was more rigged than anything the Rethugs did in Florida...thanks to the DNC who called the election after Iowa - 2% of the Dems voting.
It goes that Kerry will be picking Gephardt as the VP. Understanding that NO ONE likes Geppy, Kerry is afraid that there will be contention at the Convention. His under-performance is not helping matters.
I heard that Kerry is scared that the delegates assigned to him and to other candidates will revolt and vote for someone else for an eleventh hour chance to pick a new nominee. This is the real reason he doesn't want to accept the nomination at the convention.
I half believe it because we have already had a primary that was more rigged than anything the Rethugs did in Florida...thanks to the DNC who called the election after Iowa - 2% of the Dems voting.
What a great story Paige and Frank. The Dean campaign was a one in a million lifetime experience for anyone who got involved. I don't care what anyone else says...Howard Dean is the Real Deal!
Just peeking in. What's this Page and Frank biz? So, Page in Amsterdam is Page in Alb? This is too cute.
I missed the whole thing. How did you all meet?
I missed the whole thing. How did you all meet?
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 06:35 PM
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Oh, boy, roflmao!! Saved in my "BOOSH" folder. ThanX!!
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Oh, boy, roflmao!! Saved in my "BOOSH" folder. ThanX!!
Awesome Page and Frank! What a wonderful photo.
Demetrius, I second that emotion: there MUST be a wedding at Deanfest, and Howard must officiate.
Who will be the attendants, Page?
Color scheme? Yellow and blue, of course.
Demetrius, I second that emotion: there MUST be a wedding at Deanfest, and Howard must officiate.
Who will be the attendants, Page?
Color scheme? Yellow and blue, of course.
Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 07:13 PM
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Read the extended post, continured from the main blog page.
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Read the extended post, continured from the main blog page.
Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 07:13 PM
Click the "continue reading" part.
I'm going back to Albuquerque on Monday, and I'm already fighting back tears :-(
Frank will be in Albuquerque for three weeks in July, though!
Click the "continue reading" part.
I'm going back to Albuquerque on Monday, and I'm already fighting back tears :-(
Frank will be in Albuquerque for three weeks in July, though!
Crushie p.s.
Bonus for having Howard at the wedding: he'll just *have* to kiss the bride. Good deal, eh Page??
Bonus for having Howard at the wedding: he'll just *have* to kiss the bride. Good deal, eh Page??
So much energy on the blog! Wonderful!
Demetrius, can you desigh a funky t-shirt that would say in the front: YOU HAVE THE POWER! LET ME HELP YOU REGISTER TO VOTE, and on the back: YOU HAVE THE POWER, YOUR VOICE IS YOUR VOTE
I am registering for a few training sessions, the MoveOn training in DC June 2-4 where the Governor will receive an award, and finally i found a Campaign/Precinct traing workshop organised by my county (called Learning to Beat the Bushes!!) and then I can hit the streets! So I need a "deaniac" shirt for that.
thanks a million!
Christiane
Demetrius, can you desigh a funky t-shirt that would say in the front: YOU HAVE THE POWER! LET ME HELP YOU REGISTER TO VOTE, and on the back: YOU HAVE THE POWER, YOUR VOICE IS YOUR VOTE
I am registering for a few training sessions, the MoveOn training in DC June 2-4 where the Governor will receive an award, and finally i found a Campaign/Precinct traing workshop organised by my county (called Learning to Beat the Bushes!!) and then I can hit the streets! So I need a "deaniac" shirt for that.
thanks a million!
Christiane
Page - I tried and it's not working. Curious as a cat. I have three.
Posted by I wanna know at May 22, 2004 07:08 PM
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As Oscar has said elsewhere, and me too, I've never seen anyone on the rumored "short list" actually be picked as VEEP. It's just a way to keep interest up till the REAL pick is made. Rest easy ya'll.
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As Oscar has said elsewhere, and me too, I've never seen anyone on the rumored "short list" actually be picked as VEEP. It's just a way to keep interest up till the REAL pick is made. Rest easy ya'll.
Hello Friends,
My husband and I are having an ongoing conversation. We both detest Bush, and are amazed daily at the degradation our beloved country is undergoing at the hands of this administration.
He is willing to vote ABB, and thinks Kerry is fine. He is getting innundated by junk mail asking for donations to Kerry.
My name is only on the DFA list, and luckily, Kerry has not sent me one piece of mail. I can't stand the sight or sound of Kerry. I hope that I will be able to vote for him, but I will need one of those barf bags to be able to accomplish it.
I am starting to pray, Please God, help me to like Kerry even a little bit. Please lift the feelings of numbness and nausea when I hear news of the Kerry campaign. Please let there be even a small sense of contentment when I hear he is doing well.
My husband has lost patience with me. He says it does not matter if it is Kerry, or someone else. I need to get behind him.
Sorry to post this on the blog. Surely it will get better. Thanks for listening.
My husband and I are having an ongoing conversation. We both detest Bush, and are amazed daily at the degradation our beloved country is undergoing at the hands of this administration.
He is willing to vote ABB, and thinks Kerry is fine. He is getting innundated by junk mail asking for donations to Kerry.
My name is only on the DFA list, and luckily, Kerry has not sent me one piece of mail. I can't stand the sight or sound of Kerry. I hope that I will be able to vote for him, but I will need one of those barf bags to be able to accomplish it.
I am starting to pray, Please God, help me to like Kerry even a little bit. Please lift the feelings of numbness and nausea when I hear news of the Kerry campaign. Please let there be even a small sense of contentment when I hear he is doing well.
My husband has lost patience with me. He says it does not matter if it is Kerry, or someone else. I need to get behind him.
Sorry to post this on the blog. Surely it will get better. Thanks for listening.
"Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:20 PM"
I haven't put a Kerry bumper sticker on my car. I don't know if I will. But, I would put on Kerry/Dean in a heartbeat! ...And, all the monkeys that will be flying out of my *** when Kerry chooses Dean can tell me if it is on straight.
I haven't put a Kerry bumper sticker on my car. I don't know if I will. But, I would put on Kerry/Dean in a heartbeat! ...And, all the monkeys that will be flying out of my *** when Kerry chooses Dean can tell me if it is on straight.
Posted by Renee in Ohio at May 22, 2004 07:25 PM
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Page, too. Funny, I was just reading both of them this morning. (And notice that the one whose name shall no be mentioned, didn't. . . .)
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Page, too. Funny, I was just reading both of them this morning. (And notice that the one whose name shall no be mentioned, didn't. . . .)
So, good thing I'm *not* considering "coming out" as a crushie. I'd never live it down! ;-)
Renee, you can only live in denial for so long. It's just not healthy!
Renee, you can only live in denial for so long. It's just not healthy!
Posted by Demetrius at May 22, 2004 07:27 PM
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Monkeys out your b**T, and rainbow and butterflies out of Kimmys a s s: this is certainly the most interesting blog on the 'net! LOL
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Monkeys out your b**T, and rainbow and butterflies out of Kimmys a s s: this is certainly the most interesting blog on the 'net! LOL
Posted by Renee in Ohio at May 22, 2004 07:25 PM
Actually, I had the impression Demetrius might actually be a crushie himself when he was talking once about having a full body tattoo of Flat Howard. LOL
Actually, I had the impression Demetrius might actually be a crushie himself when he was talking once about having a full body tattoo of Flat Howard. LOL
http://www.takeyourcountryback.com/Politics/FightClub.jpg
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:22 PM
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lol!
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:22 PM
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lol!
Posted by mkdlulu at May 22, 2004 07:26 PM
mkdlulu, you are not alone! this is not an easy situation, to say the least.
FWIW, I did feel better about Kerry after hearing him speak recently in Portland. Of course, I had to suppress my rage and disappointment at his taking Dean's rightful place. The only thing that makes this possible was witnessing Dean's incredible grace in coming with him to Portland, and supporting him so strongly. Sigh.
mkdlulu, you are not alone! this is not an easy situation, to say the least.
FWIW, I did feel better about Kerry after hearing him speak recently in Portland. Of course, I had to suppress my rage and disappointment at his taking Dean's rightful place. The only thing that makes this possible was witnessing Dean's incredible grace in coming with him to Portland, and supporting him so strongly. Sigh.
Posted by Ruth in OR at May 22, 2004 07:30 PM
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:33 PM
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They could be the first spouse/spouse joint crushie team members, lol
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:33 PM
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They could be the first spouse/spouse joint crushie team members, lol
Sorry to post this on the blog. Surely it will get better. Thanks for listening.
Posted by mkdlulu at May 22, 2004 07:26 PM
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go to the jk homesite & check out his positions & voting record.
there is something to like.
and he's all we got at this point.
Posted by mkdlulu at May 22, 2004 07:26 PM
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go to the jk homesite & check out his positions & voting record.
there is something to like.
and he's all we got at this point.
congrats on your joint blogpost, too!
Posted by mary at May 22, 2004 07:30 PM
I get it~ the milkweg and what not
Posted by mary at May 22, 2004 07:30 PM
I get it~ the milkweg and what not
"Actually, I had the impression Demetrius might actually be a crushie himself when he was talking once about having a full body tattoo of Flat Howard. LOL
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:33 PM"
It ... was ... a ... joke. But... anything to get closer to Judy. Hey! Crushies For Judy!
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:33 PM"
It ... was ... a ... joke. But... anything to get closer to Judy. Hey! Crushies For Judy!
Also, by creating the Hot Young Howard graphic, Renee/Demetrius have helped spread the power of crushiedom far and wide across the land.
They really *are* crushies, even if they haven't officially signed up!
(BTW we are now 106 and counting!)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crushies-for-dean/
www.crushiesfordean.com
They really *are* crushies, even if they haven't officially signed up!
(BTW we are now 106 and counting!)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crushies-for-dean/
www.crushiesfordean.com
They could be the first spouse/spouse joint crushie team members, lol
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:35 PM
I thought my simultaneous membership in Dykes for Dean and the Crushies made perfect sense to me
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:35 PM
I thought my simultaneous membership in Dykes for Dean and the Crushies made perfect sense to me
"Also, by creating the Hot Young Howard graphic, Renee/Demetrius have helped spread the power of crushiedom far and wide across the land. ...
Posted by Ruth in OR at May 22, 2004 07:38 PM"
OK... I guess I'm an enabler.
Posted by Ruth in OR at May 22, 2004 07:38 PM"
OK... I guess I'm an enabler.
Page and Frank, you are both adorable!!! Tnx for the photo. Does Frank have a hunky dad who's not attached? :-)
Posted by mkdlulu at May 22, 2004 07:26 PM
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Oh Sweetie {{{{HUGS}}}} Prayer does help, no question. For me though, more help is to focus on Boosh, and his evil minions, and what if anything I can do to stop what another four years will leave (if anything!). I'm always bucked up when I visit the FreeRepublic.com website: they don't mind reveling in their evil there, and I always get a really good jolt of adrenalin! And the worst need to go register someone to vote.
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Oh Sweetie {{{{HUGS}}}} Prayer does help, no question. For me though, more help is to focus on Boosh, and his evil minions, and what if anything I can do to stop what another four years will leave (if anything!). I'm always bucked up when I visit the FreeRepublic.com website: they don't mind reveling in their evil there, and I always get a really good jolt of adrenalin! And the worst need to go register someone to vote.
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:38 PM
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Split personality disorder, eh? LOL That's so Cute!
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Split personality disorder, eh? LOL That's so Cute!
I was going to post the first picture that Frank ever sent me of himself, because it's really really great (very cute) but he threatened to kick my butt outside and it's COLD HERE!
Seriously, though, it was one very nice picture.
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Seashell, his dad's taken :-)
Seriously, though, it was one very nice picture.
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Seashell, his dad's taken :-)
Posted by Paine at May 22, 2004 07:37 PM
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Paine, yer amazing!
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Paine, yer amazing!
Split personality disorder, eh? LOL That's so Cute!
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:44 PM
Howard is just such a cutie pie, who wouldn't love him? ;-)
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:44 PM
Howard is just such a cutie pie, who wouldn't love him? ;-)
Posted by jc at May 22, 2004 07:47 PM
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Indeed ~~ sez the other crushie!!
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Indeed ~~ sez the other crushie!!
The voters in my family keep saying, "I want to like Kerry! I want to like Kerry!'
We would llike to be able to tell peole to vote for him for a better reason than that he is not Bush.
Please share any insights that will help us!
Nancy
We would llike to be able to tell peole to vote for him for a better reason than that he is not Bush.
Please share any insights that will help us!
Nancy
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 06:52 PM
Oh puddleriver you just *have* to be there, wedding or not. No pressure here :-)
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Hi Page and Frank. Great post. What a neat thread to check in on. Been out and about all day and had to see what was up before the next storm hits - how exciting it was you two!
Oh puddleriver you just *have* to be there, wedding or not. No pressure here :-)
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Hi Page and Frank. Great post. What a neat thread to check in on. Been out and about all day and had to see what was up before the next storm hits - how exciting it was you two!
Seashell, his dad's taken :-)
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 07:44 PM
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Uncle? Older cousin? Grandfather?
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 07:44 PM
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Uncle? Older cousin? Grandfather?
Our family is getting PUMPED UP for our pilgrimage to Deanfest.
Now that Mass. is the wedding capital of the Usa, tell me it's so Frank.
Everyone on the blog loves Page.
or as Pam would say
spread the love
My bride of 29 years is even looking forward to spending some days together with crusty old me so it must be spreading.
Now that Mass. is the wedding capital of the Usa, tell me it's so Frank.
Everyone on the blog loves Page.
or as Pam would say
spread the love
My bride of 29 years is even looking forward to spending some days together with crusty old me so it must be spreading.
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:50 PM
LOL LOL!
Frank is sitting here shaking his head!
LOL LOL!
Frank is sitting here shaking his head!
Posted by Thankful2Thankful4Dean at May 22, 2004 07:49 PM
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I do *so* want to! Idears anyone on how to get neighbors to take care of three krezzy dogs and 9 (I think, haven't counted recently) krezzier cats for a week in the summer? LOL
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I do *so* want to! Idears anyone on how to get neighbors to take care of three krezzy dogs and 9 (I think, haven't counted recently) krezzier cats for a week in the summer? LOL
Thanks for the words of support everyone. Of course I will vote against Bush, and no thank you, I will not visit neither the Freepers or the John Kerry site.
We are all in this together. I think what gives me some hope is that many people I admire are supporting Kerry, including our beloved HD.
I will try not to be a downer anymore. The rest of the thread seems to be pretty upbeat. Congrats to happy couple!
We are all in this together. I think what gives me some hope is that many people I admire are supporting Kerry, including our beloved HD.
I will try not to be a downer anymore. The rest of the thread seems to be pretty upbeat. Congrats to happy couple!
not to rain on this fuzzy parade of love, but....
"Steel reinforcement bars from a crumbled concrete dome curl like hair blown back. Rusting pens mark where pigs dressed in Army uniforms were subjected to shock, heat and radiation waves. Warped wooden benches sit on a knoll where VIPs watched detonations from only nine miles away."
Our military is disgusting, subjecting pigs to torture.
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Why isn't this bringing down the Bushies?
WASHINGTON -- The Defense Intelligence Agency has concluded that a U.S.-funded arm of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress has been used for years by Iranian intelligence to pass disinformation to the United States and to collect highly sensitive American secrets, according to intelligence sources.
"Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the United States through Chalabi by furnishing through his Information Collection Program information to provoke the United States into getting rid of Saddam Hussein," said an intelligence source Friday who was briefed on the Defense Intelligence Agency's conclusions, which were based on a review of thousands of internal documents.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=16284&mode=nested&order=0
"Steel reinforcement bars from a crumbled concrete dome curl like hair blown back. Rusting pens mark where pigs dressed in Army uniforms were subjected to shock, heat and radiation waves. Warped wooden benches sit on a knoll where VIPs watched detonations from only nine miles away."
Our military is disgusting, subjecting pigs to torture.
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Why isn't this bringing down the Bushies?
WASHINGTON -- The Defense Intelligence Agency has concluded that a U.S.-funded arm of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress has been used for years by Iranian intelligence to pass disinformation to the United States and to collect highly sensitive American secrets, according to intelligence sources.
"Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the United States through Chalabi by furnishing through his Information Collection Program information to provoke the United States into getting rid of Saddam Hussein," said an intelligence source Friday who was briefed on the Defense Intelligence Agency's conclusions, which were based on a review of thousands of internal documents.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=16284&mode=nested&order=0
Is anyone else listening to Air America---Laura Flanders show right now? All of a sudden it is off the air. A government translator who says there is some sort of a coverup going on with 911 was on as well as one of the wives of someone killed that day. All of a sudden it went off....very interesting!
I like Kerry.
I just don't like a few of his votes or cozying up to the DLC.
Alot of post Vilsack jostling in the back rooms here.
Tom Vilsack is on the SHORT short list.
I just don't like a few of his votes or cozying up to the DLC.
Alot of post Vilsack jostling in the back rooms here.
Tom Vilsack is on the SHORT short list.
Uncle? Older cousin? Grandfather?
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:50 PM
Older brother? Family friend? Neighborhood baker? :-)
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:50 PM
Older brother? Family friend? Neighborhood baker? :-)
Page: does frank have an email addy? (You know I can't get your new one) Just found some neat graphics in my "Dancing with Bill Gates" folder that I'd love to send him!! (New targets for the toilet, lol)
mkdlulu--no need to apologize. I had my own Kerry rant earlier today in another thread. It's not good to keep these things bottled up. :-)
Is anyone else listening to Air America---Laura Flanders show right now? All of a sudden it is off the air. A government translator who says there is some sort of a coverup going on with 911 was on as well as one of the wives of someone killed that day. All of a sudden it went off....very interesting!
Posted by Jackie in OH at May 22, 2004 07:53 PM
Ahhhh, 9/11. One of my fave subjects! Was it Kristen Breitweiser who was on? She's amazing. The media doesn't want to touch that subject, except for Chris Matthews who was doing a great job and then - poof - here come the prison photos and there went all discussion about 9/11.
Posted by Jackie in OH at May 22, 2004 07:53 PM
Ahhhh, 9/11. One of my fave subjects! Was it Kristen Breitweiser who was on? She's amazing. The media doesn't want to touch that subject, except for Chris Matthews who was doing a great job and then - poof - here come the prison photos and there went all discussion about 9/11.
Posted by Jackie in OH at May 22, 2004 07:53 PM
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I'm getting it. Sometimes if I'm downloading other things it times out. . . .
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I'm getting it. Sometimes if I'm downloading other things it times out. . . .
Ok - will be back in a couple hours or when weather permits - thunder is rolling again and hubby thinks it might be nice if I actually watched the movie we rented *with* him instead of at the computer. :-)
puddle - I'll try to think of something for a bribe ;)
puddle - I'll try to think of something for a bribe ;)
Posted by Thankful2Thankful4Dean at May 22, 2004 07:57 PM
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Tell you what, I *will* work on it. As I said, I do soooooooo want to be there.
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Tell you what, I *will* work on it. As I said, I do soooooooo want to be there.
Chem:
Skip all the sweet, syrupy sentimentality. All I want to know is did you book us any gigs for A-dam lounge act? :-)
Enjoy!
Dar
Skip all the sweet, syrupy sentimentality. All I want to know is did you book us any gigs for A-dam lounge act? :-)
Enjoy!
Dar
Posted by Paine at May 22, 2004 07:55 PM
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Shows amazinly wide range (I had to google for it, lol)
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Shows amazinly wide range (I had to google for it, lol)
My dad used to have an expression when he was really tired, "I'm bushed."
Now I see where he got it.
I am SO tired of this president.
Kind of bushed the other way too as we got seven inches of rain last night and I've been fixing washed out fences today.
visit the IDP websiite if you want to see a progressive platform generate good debate online
click me hasn't worked since the lightening so
www.iowademocrats.org/forums
Now I see where he got it.
I am SO tired of this president.
Kind of bushed the other way too as we got seven inches of rain last night and I've been fixing washed out fences today.
visit the IDP websiite if you want to see a progressive platform generate good debate online
click me hasn't worked since the lightening so
www.iowademocrats.org/forums
....... article continues -- click my name
Posted by Anne at May 22, 2004 07:40 PM
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thanks, anne. what a disaster. i saw a pic of a iraqi woman being raped. it's on an online site i didn't save because of some antisemitic propaganda posted there, & because it's too disturbing to look at.
this is all the bush/cheney/rumsfeld policy. it's a top-down policy. the blame falls squarely in the oval office.
i only hope that the american people will see the truth before it's really too late.
Posted by Anne at May 22, 2004 07:40 PM
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thanks, anne. what a disaster. i saw a pic of a iraqi woman being raped. it's on an online site i didn't save because of some antisemitic propaganda posted there, & because it's too disturbing to look at.
this is all the bush/cheney/rumsfeld policy. it's a top-down policy. the blame falls squarely in the oval office.
i only hope that the american people will see the truth before it's really too late.
visit the IDP websiite if you want to see a progressive platform generate good debate online
click me hasn't worked since the lightening so
www.iowademocrats.org/forums
Posted by Phil from Iowa at May 22, 2004 08:09 PM
Phil, how come it says 2002 State Platform? Not 2004
click me hasn't worked since the lightening so
www.iowademocrats.org/forums
Posted by Phil from Iowa at May 22, 2004 08:09 PM
Phil, how come it says 2002 State Platform? Not 2004
Hello Page and Frank-
Your story has made me SO happy! Thanks! It's hard to be happy lately with all of the crap going on. Enjoy my favorite city!
Your story has made me SO happy! Thanks! It's hard to be happy lately with all of the crap going on. Enjoy my favorite city!
I'm not sure who wrote the comment about our military being *disgusting*, etc. You cannot lump the entire military into that category.
I know many fine people serving honorably. There are some real losers, but pls. don't disparage the entire military.
I know many fine people serving honorably. There are some real losers, but pls. don't disparage the entire military.
Posted by Tim in Augusta GA at May 22, 2004 08:27 PM
Hey Tim! Vlinders says "hi" ;-)
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Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 08:25 PM
Whoa, someone said that?
Ok, that really irritates me. My grandfather and all my great uncles, plus other men several generations back, were West Point grads, and VERY fine people.
My grandfather was one of the kindest men I've ever known. When he died, my grandmother got hundreds of letters from men who had been under his command in WWII and Korea. Without fail, they praised him and said he'd been the best C.O. they'd ever had.
Hey Tim! Vlinders says "hi" ;-)
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Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 08:25 PM
Whoa, someone said that?
Ok, that really irritates me. My grandfather and all my great uncles, plus other men several generations back, were West Point grads, and VERY fine people.
My grandfather was one of the kindest men I've ever known. When he died, my grandmother got hundreds of letters from men who had been under his command in WWII and Korea. Without fail, they praised him and said he'd been the best C.O. they'd ever had.
p.s. It's a lame website, I know. Will work on it more later! And yes, "Plutonium Page" is my nickname, thanks to my years working with nuclear waste.
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 08:18 PM
Not lame at all. Those are great photos. Isn't NM wonderfully spiritual? It's a country all of it's own and all within the USA.
Nothing quite like being in the mountains here and looking out over the entire world below..
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 08:18 PM
Not lame at all. Those are great photos. Isn't NM wonderfully spiritual? It's a country all of it's own and all within the USA.
Nothing quite like being in the mountains here and looking out over the entire world below..
Page & Frank, Finally, I was able to access your cute story. Great pics too.
Page, if GWB is re-selected I advise you to move to Amsterdam.
Page, if GWB is re-selected I advise you to move to Amsterdam.
I think it's the middle of the night in Amsterdam. Canoodling time, not blogging time.
Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 08:36 PM
I'm going to move here anyway - we're going to start looking at places to live when I'm here next (September, most likely).
I'll get the hell out of the US even faster if Dumbya is elected.
I'm going to move here anyway - we're going to start looking at places to live when I'm here next (September, most likely).
I'll get the hell out of the US even faster if Dumbya is elected.
Just checking in to see what's going on in the DFA blogosphere--
I just read over on DailyKos that Michael Moore won the Palme D'Or at Cannes for Farenheit 9/11.
I bet Miramax will have no problem buying the film from Disney to distribute!
I just read over on DailyKos that Michael Moore won the Palme D'Or at Cannes for Farenheit 9/11.
I bet Miramax will have no problem buying the film from Disney to distribute!
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:56 PM
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Page, if you're still here (And I can't imagine you leaving your own thread. . . ) please check the above. . . .
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Page, if you're still here (And I can't imagine you leaving your own thread. . . ) please check the above. . . .
Sorry for barging in here without reading the thread, but if you haven't heard and you need a laugh, read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html
Title of article:
"Bush falls on bike ride: President suffers minor scrapes during jaunt on his ranch"
For crying out loud, was he munching on a pretzel?! Plus, juicy news on the Bush twins.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html
Title of article:
"Bush falls on bike ride: President suffers minor scrapes during jaunt on his ranch"
For crying out loud, was he munching on a pretzel?! Plus, juicy news on the Bush twins.
freaking desk jockey aristocrate trying to be one of the guys.
Canoodling time, not blogging time.
Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 08:41 PM
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For those of us who have seen the red light district in Amsterdam, we know that it's ALWAYS canoodling time in Amsterdam.
Posted by vb at May 22, 2004 08:41 PM
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For those of us who have seen the red light district in Amsterdam, we know that it's ALWAYS canoodling time in Amsterdam.
what with the dollar plunging ! should one buy dollars before traveling or put it on credit?
lol
lol
Paine, only costs 37cents to send Kerry a message.
Another mysterious fall for W. Shrub. Georgie, are you hitting the bottle again?
I just read over on DailyKos that Michael Moore won the Palme D'Or at Cannes for Farenheit 9/11.
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That's precious. I guess we now have to endure another round of France-bashing from those who don't know their bouche from their sale con.
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That's precious. I guess we now have to endure another round of France-bashing from those who don't know their bouche from their sale con.
Page and Frank, it's so wonderful to read your story here!!!
Congratulations -- may the love and friendship you have found through the Dean campaign continue to grow stronger and more fulfilling!
Page, you've got a line of Crushies all ready to be bridesmaids if there's ever a need... ;-)
Congratulations -- may the love and friendship you have found through the Dean campaign continue to grow stronger and more fulfilling!
Page, you've got a line of Crushies all ready to be bridesmaids if there's ever a need... ;-)
Agatha check out the last thread on the bike accident. 5:41,6:05 and a few more good comments down thread. Looks like George can't do much of anything without someone else's hand. ( Page and others will get this)
Charles in Montana: I have a lucky Dean dollar in my wallet at all times.
Progressive Avenger: Note that Jenna didn't even bothering to go to her own graduation. I wouldn't be surprised if she got wasted with her dad and made out with a secret service agent afterwards.
Until I read about today's bicycle incident, I didn't know he fell off a Segway (Segway, what an investment! Bush is quite the savvy economist!) last year as well. If you want to see the pictures, go to:
http://www.gothamist.com/archive/002674.php
Bush was riding one of these things while holding a tennis racket. Be sure you scroll down and see the picture of papa and junior on Segways while Babs ambles by (she needs to shed a few!).
Progressive Avenger: Note that Jenna didn't even bothering to go to her own graduation. I wouldn't be surprised if she got wasted with her dad and made out with a secret service agent afterwards.
Until I read about today's bicycle incident, I didn't know he fell off a Segway (Segway, what an investment! Bush is quite the savvy economist!) last year as well. If you want to see the pictures, go to:
http://www.gothamist.com/archive/002674.php
Bush was riding one of these things while holding a tennis racket. Be sure you scroll down and see the picture of papa and junior on Segways while Babs ambles by (she needs to shed a few!).
Posted by puddleriver in WV at May 22, 2004 07:56 PM
Yes, still here! Got sidetracked for a bit.
I'll send you e-mail from my Yahoo account, ok?
(funny thing about my new address is that it's on Frank's mail server, so if you're having trouble, ahem, is it his fault? lol)
Yes, still here! Got sidetracked for a bit.
I'll send you e-mail from my Yahoo account, ok?
(funny thing about my new address is that it's on Frank's mail server, so if you're having trouble, ahem, is it his fault? lol)
Posted by Larry in Austin at May 22, 2004 09:29 PM
we concede nothing to shrubs followers. They are sell-outs and have no moral compass. They give me sh()* REASON to listen.
we concede nothing to shrubs followers. They are sell-outs and have no moral compass. They give me sh()* REASON to listen.
Elaine in ca: Thanks! I just got home from work (I teach at an after-school program) so I am completely clueless. Incidentally, I have to catch up on the real news. Mary's post at 9:30 looks like a good place to start.
Greetings from just 80mi south along the Rio Grande: Congrats, Page and Frank! My goodness, I've been out of touch. I haven't visited in a while and someone I've actually met is the guest poster (I'm not sure Page remembers me, but I got to meet her when Trippi had his Grassroots Seminar in Albuquerque; I was there with Becky from NMT).
Good luck to you, guys. You'll be happy to know that Socorro is having a big Democracy for America meeting tomorrow evening!
Good luck to you, guys. You'll be happy to know that Socorro is having a big Democracy for America meeting tomorrow evening!
You know how the country is mad at the RNC for denying us a Mc Cain presidency?? (Well, they are).
The same resentment will surface when true progressives and intelligent moderates realize that Kerry is bought and paid for by corporate money.
The DNC/DLC has denied America its President.
The same resentment will surface when true progressives and intelligent moderates realize that Kerry is bought and paid for by corporate money.
The DNC/DLC has denied America its President.
I cannot stomach that Bush via Ashcroft is diverting attention away from the real criminals in the Wilson case by trying to drag Russert into this. Its sick.
Russert is going to fight this with NBC's help.
Russert is going to fight this with NBC's help.
From the cnn story suggested:
Time Magazine general counsel Robin Bierstedt told CNN that the publication would also fight the subpoena, saying that Time's policy is to protect confidential sources. Time Magazine and CNN are related companies, both part of the Time-Warner Co.
Former federal prosecutors told CNN that investigators are required to exhaust other possible leads before resorting to questioning journalists, so that issuing subpoenas is a signal that the investigation is in its final stages.
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so how long has it been that the shrub has put his provebial heels in the dirt?
Time Magazine general counsel Robin Bierstedt told CNN that the publication would also fight the subpoena, saying that Time's policy is to protect confidential sources. Time Magazine and CNN are related companies, both part of the Time-Warner Co.
Former federal prosecutors told CNN that investigators are required to exhaust other possible leads before resorting to questioning journalists, so that issuing subpoenas is a signal that the investigation is in its final stages.
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so how long has it been that the shrub has put his provebial heels in the dirt?
Posted by Paine at May 22, 2004 09:34 PM
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In Texas I'm surrounded by them. They're pretty hard to ignore, much as I try. I do try though.
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In Texas I'm surrounded by them. They're pretty hard to ignore, much as I try. I do try though.
Posted by Charles in Montana at May 22, 2004 09:46 PM
I was wondering the same thing.
Isn't Novak a CNN darling, though?
I was wondering the same thing.
Isn't Novak a CNN darling, though?
For any who are still not warming to Kerry_ Ignore that and just focus on the one who fails at everything, and falls off anything with two wheels- Bush. You can order an absentee ballot and just have one of your kids or a friend mark the ballot for you.
Posted by Larry in Austin at May 22, 2004 09:48 PM
lol
poor deaniac
keep active(physically) to avoid depression
lol
poor deaniac
keep active(physically) to avoid depression
When I said the military was disgusting, I meant the military people involved in the using of pigs for experiments during the blasts. My mistake for not being more clear. I get very upset with people who are cruel to animals.
OTOH, the whole idea that we live in a military/corporate world, with people trying to get and build bigger and more destructive WMD in order to gain supremacy or invade or subjugate and/or kill other people IS disgusting. And that would be an understatement. Let's not confuse "the military" with the honorable people serving.
But is there really a good excuse for war? We're one of the very few species on the planet that kills its own. Or are we the only species? Other species fight and posture and defend territory, but unless I'm very wrong, they seldom, if ever, fight to the death.
We've strayed far from the Path.
Humphh, grumphh
OTOH, the whole idea that we live in a military/corporate world, with people trying to get and build bigger and more destructive WMD in order to gain supremacy or invade or subjugate and/or kill other people IS disgusting. And that would be an understatement. Let's not confuse "the military" with the honorable people serving.
But is there really a good excuse for war? We're one of the very few species on the planet that kills its own. Or are we the only species? Other species fight and posture and defend territory, but unless I'm very wrong, they seldom, if ever, fight to the death.
We've strayed far from the Path.
Humphh, grumphh
Bushco and corporate America have so many inter-twining connections they can talk a lot of people into chickens#it being chicken salad. Spin, spin, spin.
Time-Warner Co. & Bushco VS. Truth and justice. Interesting! This turning of a CIA agent is a high crime(i'm out on a limb/i have no idea of a high crime). Exposing a CIA agents is a huge offense/treasonable(oops! there i go).
page & frank,
i've been looking for a good country to move to in the event the unthinkable happens in nov. make sure there's a guest room in your place. & don't put any furniture in there...the deaniacs will be wall to wall in our sleeping bags! LOL!
i've been looking for a good country to move to in the event the unthinkable happens in nov. make sure there's a guest room in your place. & don't put any furniture in there...the deaniacs will be wall to wall in our sleeping bags! LOL!
Page and Frank, hello, and how wonderful to hear your news. Thanks for the photo, too. Hearing about how you met through the Dean campaign and fell in love is the best news I've had all week!
Best wishes to both of you. I've really enjoyed your posts over the last year or so. Hope you are going to have a long, happy married life!
chickens#it being chicken salad. Spin, spin, spin.
Posted by Charles in Montana at May 22, 2004 09:55 PM
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ROFLMAO!!!
maybe they don't *know* the difference!!! LOL
Posted by Charles in Montana at May 22, 2004 09:55 PM
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ROFLMAO!!!
maybe they don't *know* the difference!!! LOL
Great thread! Great pictures! Just love the ones of you two in New Mexico, Hope you have a wonderful life together.
Hey guys, I just want to invite you all over to the Clark blog for a drink. We've had our differences and I have been nasty at times, but that is all over with and I want to say that you are all OK im my book. We'll be waiting for ya! :)
Great Segway photos of Daddy, Junior and Great-Great Grandmother!
Page, Albuquerque, Amsterdam, Auckland? New Zealand would be great.
Msongs, I read the Kerry blog once in a while and see a lot of the old Deaniacs over there. I hope they help to push the Dean agenda. Geppie? No thanks!
Posted by Msongs at May 22, 2004 10:08 PM
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i tried to post on the jk blog 2 times, & got, you have to reg, then we'll email confirmation, yaddayadda
they never emailed jack, so i gave up.
dfa is d best
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i tried to post on the jk blog 2 times, & got, you have to reg, then we'll email confirmation, yaddayadda
they never emailed jack, so i gave up.
dfa is d best
Posted by Page in Amsterdam at May 22, 2004 09:34 PM
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Yahoo should be good, thanX, sweetie
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Yahoo should be good, thanX, sweetie
Sigh...I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Nothing like a good love story to melt away the pain of the sad news that past few weeks coming out of Iraq.
Page, Frank you are in my absolute most fave country. It's on my list of possible places to retire. And guess where else? Santa Fe!
We have similar tastes in habitats :) Not that I'm rushing toward Medicare or anything...
Page, Frank you are in my absolute most fave country. It's on my list of possible places to retire. And guess where else? Santa Fe!
We have similar tastes in habitats :) Not that I'm rushing toward Medicare or anything...
Hi, Page! Glad you are past the jet lag.
I guess it's really true that, no matter where you go...there you are. (On the blog, that is.)
How's it feel to be ahead of everyone timewise, for a change?
I guess it's really true that, no matter where you go...there you are. (On the blog, that is.)
How's it feel to be ahead of everyone timewise, for a change?
Vicki
Just got back from the calving pen and a bouncing baby bull and saw you tried to see the platform.
It is on the left side under preliminary platform.
Interesting discussions about israel/palestine much like the debate here last night.
Thanks for trying, sorry my click me links don't work.
Just got back from the calving pen and a bouncing baby bull and saw you tried to see the platform.
It is on the left side under preliminary platform.
Interesting discussions about israel/palestine much like the debate here last night.
Thanks for trying, sorry my click me links don't work.
Charles in Montana: I think it is absolutely frightening if the mainstream media is involved what I suspect Cheney is probably calling "the mother of all distractions." And, I'm not naive about the media any more after what they did to Dean, but this really is disgusting.
I've stopped watching Russert except for special occasions. I couldn't stand his interviews with Cheney. After all the "hard questions," he would ask Dick about his health, laying off the "freedom fries," etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Russert shows up massaging Cheney on a reality show one day.
Nonetheless, this is surreal.
On a happier note, congratulations to the happy couple! Do I suspect your children will be named Dean and Deanna? Howardina the first?
Seashell, my family may be dysfunctional, but I thank my lucky stars when I see pictures like that.
I've stopped watching Russert except for special occasions. I couldn't stand his interviews with Cheney. After all the "hard questions," he would ask Dick about his health, laying off the "freedom fries," etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Russert shows up massaging Cheney on a reality show one day.
Nonetheless, this is surreal.
On a happier note, congratulations to the happy couple! Do I suspect your children will be named Dean and Deanna? Howardina the first?
Seashell, my family may be dysfunctional, but I thank my lucky stars when I see pictures like that.
Renee!
Guess what I had for dinner tonight?
Yep...pizza, but it sucked cuz this is California and they only do beansprouts well (please don't hit me with any tofu for that comment!)
I'll be going "home" next weekend to see mom and to attend my nephew's 40th birthday party. I can't believe he's that old. Maybe I am closer to Medicare than I realize :)
Guess what I had for dinner tonight?
Yep...pizza, but it sucked cuz this is California and they only do beansprouts well (please don't hit me with any tofu for that comment!)
I'll be going "home" next weekend to see mom and to attend my nephew's 40th birthday party. I can't believe he's that old. Maybe I am closer to Medicare than I realize :)
I dunno, but...aren't Frank and Page in exactly the same pose as in the other photo she linked us to awhile back?
Could it be that Frank and Page have never been in *either* Albuquerque or Amsterdam?
Could they be shooting this all on the same set where the moon landing was faked?
Or...maybe I've just been hanging out with the conspiracy theorists a bit too much lately...
Could it be that Frank and Page have never been in *either* Albuquerque or Amsterdam?
Could they be shooting this all on the same set where the moon landing was faked?
Or...maybe I've just been hanging out with the conspiracy theorists a bit too much lately...
I read the Kerry blog once in a while and see a lot of the old Deaniacs over there. I hope they help to push the Dean agenda.
Posted by Charles in Montana at May 22, 2004 10:13 PM
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I go back and forth regularly between the 2 blogs when I'm blogging. As a matter of fact, I just made an observation on the Kerry blog that something Sen Lugar said about how we can't expect fight terrorism with the military alone reminded me of what I heard Howard Dean say at a rally in Houston. I've been recently working to encourage peace between Dean and Kerry supporters, so we can get on with the important business of sending Bush back to Crawford. It's gotta be done.
Posted by Charles in Montana at May 22, 2004 10:13 PM
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I go back and forth regularly between the 2 blogs when I'm blogging. As a matter of fact, I just made an observation on the Kerry blog that something Sen Lugar said about how we can't expect fight terrorism with the military alone reminded me of what I heard Howard Dean say at a rally in Houston. I've been recently working to encourage peace between Dean and Kerry supporters, so we can get on with the important business of sending Bush back to Crawford. It's gotta be done.
Coming in late on the Page - Frank thread, by wanted to see "well done" anyway. Great to see two Deaniacs so happy. Another milestone of this long, strange trip we're on!
We were having dinner last night with Foodies for Dean and it was remarked that there are alot of New Mexicans on the blog, considering how small the population is in the Land of Enchantment. And now one of us is blogging from Amsterdam no less! (By the way the Foodies were terrific and so was, natural, the food they served up.)
Have a safe trip home, Page! Hola to Frank!
We were having dinner last night with Foodies for Dean and it was remarked that there are alot of New Mexicans on the blog, considering how small the population is in the Land of Enchantment. And now one of us is blogging from Amsterdam no less! (By the way the Foodies were terrific and so was, natural, the food they served up.)
Have a safe trip home, Page! Hola to Frank!
Sorry about the typos. Must be the diet Sprite...
Congratulations Frank and Page! And thanks for your support for Dean and DFA! : )
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