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Governor Dean sent the following message to the grassroots this evening.Several months ago I put out a call to the hundreds of thousands of grassroots activists who had worked on my campaign to run for office themselves. Hundreds of volunteers answered this call. Our new organization - Democracy for America - is dedicated to using its resources to support those candidates in their fight to take our country back from the right-wing conservatives who dominate our government. Today, Democracy for America announces the Dean Dozen - twelve diverse candidates that represent the spirit of grassroots democracy. These will be tough races, and not all of the Dean Dozen may win. However, they will all spread the message that to change America progressives must compete.
These twelve candidates will be followed by hundreds of additional candidates in the next few months.
No incumbents are on the initial Dean Dozen, though Democracy for America will be announcing its support of incumbent candidates soon.
The Dean Dozen are:
Mary Ann Andreas for State Assembly in California. The 80th Assembly District has some of the highest unemployment rates in California, so it's all about jobs for Mary Ann in her race against the Republican incumbent. www.andreasforassembly.com
Ken Campbell for South Carolina State House. A Dean inspired candidate! Oconee County has a chance to put a real community activist and small business owner to work with Ken Campbell. www.takebackoconee.com
Maria Chappelle-Nadal for Missouri State House. Maria has won the support of the grassroots in this race. Democracy for America is behind her in her campaign to take back the State House for Democrats. www.maria2004.com
Scott Clark, Mark Manoil & Nina Trasoff for the Arizona Corporation Commission. The Corporation Commission is a watchdog agency protecting consumers from fraud and corporate abuse. Clark, Manoil & Trasoff became politically active on the Dean campaign and are running as a ticket for the commission. If you live in Arizona and can help them get on the ballot, contact them by email here: corpcomm04@hotmail.com
Kim Hynes for State Representative in Connecticut. 28 Republican state representatives in Connecticut ran unopposed in the last election. We won't take our country back if we don't compete. Kim is doing her part. You too can get involved. http://kimhynes.smartcampaigns.com
Richard Morrison for United States House of Representatives from Texas. Want to get rid of Tom DeLay? Here's your chance. Morrison is hitting back at "The Hammer" by competing against him in the Texas 22nd. Join me and get involved in the fight today. www.richardmorrisonfordistrict22.com
Barack Obama for United States Senate from Illinois. In the race to regain control of the U.S. Senate, Democrats have few better chances to pick up a seat than in Illinois. DFA volunteers all over Illinois helped Obama win his primary, now it's time to help him win the general. Stay tuned: I will be on the trail with Barack soon. www.obamaforillinois.com
Rob MacKenna for Hillsborough County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections. Rob is a computer programmer and is fighting to add a voter-verifiable paper trail to the touch-screen voting machines in the largest swing county in the all-important state of Florida! www.rob2004.com
Monica Palacios-Boyce for Massachusetts State Representative. Inspired by my race for the White House, Monica launched her campaign for state representative when she learned that the Republican incumbent had faced no opposition in his last two elections. www.monicaforstaterep.com
Lori Saldana for State Assembly in California. After an upset victory in the primary, grassroots activists want Lori to win in her race for the environment, education, economy and community of San Diego. www.lorisaldana.com
Jeff Smith for United States House of Representatives from Missouri. Campaigning in a 10-way primary for the opportunity to fill retiring Representative Richard Gephardt's seat in Congress, Jeff is an articulate young progressive running an energetic grassroots field campaign that - with your help - could surprise the pundits. www.jeffsmith2004.com
Donna Red Wing for Colorado House District #25. After serving as the GLBT Field Advisor for the Dean for America campaign, Donna has returned to the mountains of Colorado to mobilize progressive activists in communities across her district. www.donnaredwing.com
This year the race for the presidency is unbelievably important. But beside our efforts to evict George W. Bush from the White House, we must expand the base of the Democratic Party by competing in tough races across the country. The Dean Dozen represent some of the bravest candidates in the nation. Democracy for America is proud to support them.
Sincerely,
Gov. Howard Dean, M.D.
thank you Gov. Dean and the Dean Dozen! You inspire all of us!!
Great list. I like it that the list includes people running for federal, state and local offices. Also, slowly, DFA is taking shape now; this is a big step because it gives people goals, and actual election races to get excited about.
ONE WEEK LEFT
A.S.I.T.F.D
P.O. BOX26933
WINSTON-SALE,NC
27114-6933
will give the DEAN QUILT to Howard at DEANFEST!!!!
A.S.I.T.F.D
P.O. BOX26933
WINSTON-SALE,NC
27114-6933
will give the DEAN QUILT to Howard at DEANFEST!!!!
Well... I guess I could post the Dean Dozen as requested but that would be kinda redun-dun-dent-dent huh? huh?
wOOt!!! THIS is the way we will take our country back. Here in Illinois, I will support Barack Obama. We are lucky to have Dick Durbin as our Senior Senator. We will be doubly fortunate when Obama is our Junior Senator. Presidential material, he is.
And my Congresswoman is Jan Schakowsky. Is this Heaven? No, it's Evanston.
And my Congresswoman is Jan Schakowsky. Is this Heaven? No, it's Evanston.
Thread rule:
Do not play with trolls.
Posted by LA Mom at May 12, 2004 10:38 PM
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Awwwwww! Comeon MOM! I LOVE to play with the food!
Do not play with trolls.
Posted by LA Mom at May 12, 2004 10:38 PM
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Awwwwww! Comeon MOM! I LOVE to play with the food!
Posted by annNC4DEAN at May 12, 2004 10:41 PM
heh, I finally stopped procrastinating on this and sent mine in this morning :)
heh, I finally stopped procrastinating on this and sent mine in this morning :)
Presidential material, he is.
Posted by donna in evanston at May 12, 2004 10:45 PM
And cute, too, if I may say so myself! : P
Nice to see you too, David. Blogging here always makes me feel happy--reminds me that there are plenty of wonderful, optimistic, capable, intelligent, compassionate Americans out there who are NOT represented by our current government.
OK off to watch the Daily Show! Jon Stewart is my god. Night all~~
Posted by donna in evanston at May 12, 2004 10:45 PM
And cute, too, if I may say so myself! : P
Nice to see you too, David. Blogging here always makes me feel happy--reminds me that there are plenty of wonderful, optimistic, capable, intelligent, compassionate Americans out there who are NOT represented by our current government.
OK off to watch the Daily Show! Jon Stewart is my god. Night all~~
Posted by Andrew C. White at May 12, 2004 10:46 PM
You can play with your food after you've eaten ALL of your greens.
You can play with your food after you've eaten ALL of your greens.
Posted by annNC4DEAN at May 12, 2004 10:41 PM
heh, I finally stopped procrastinating on this and sent mine in this morning :)
Posted by MySealofApproval in NC at May 12, 2004 10:47 PM
allright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
way to go!!!!!!!!!!
c'mon everyone!!!!!!!!
i still have room for more!!!!!!
but, i only rented the post-office box for
six months.......i have 7-8 days left!!!
ann:)NC4DEAN
heh, I finally stopped procrastinating on this and sent mine in this morning :)
Posted by MySealofApproval in NC at May 12, 2004 10:47 PM
allright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
way to go!!!!!!!!!!
c'mon everyone!!!!!!!!
i still have room for more!!!!!!
but, i only rented the post-office box for
six months.......i have 7-8 days left!!!
ann:)NC4DEAN
Damn fine list of candidates. It really is quite remarkable what this campaign has started.
This is a fascinating and impressive list. I was expecting House & Senate races only. Leave it to Dean to be different and to drive home the point that races are important at every level. I'm going to save the list so I can parcel out my contributions as I'm able. DNC - are you listening???
For anyone who lives near these candidates' home turfs, it will give them a great outlet for their political energy.
One thing (of many) that I loved about Dean was his emphasis on a 50-state campaign, getting away from this tired old strategy every 4 years of all eyes on the swing states. And of course that's what we have again, and I swear it has dampened turnout over the years (why bother to vote if your state is so likely to go one way only?). Now I realize suddenly that Dean's strategy helps put vigor in races all over the place. Hurray for Dean.
Here's a suggestion to everyone - so many of us have our own little email lists, and we know many people are out of touch with the blog. I think we should distribute this list far and wide.
PS - who heard Gov. Dean today on the radio?
For anyone who lives near these candidates' home turfs, it will give them a great outlet for their political energy.
One thing (of many) that I loved about Dean was his emphasis on a 50-state campaign, getting away from this tired old strategy every 4 years of all eyes on the swing states. And of course that's what we have again, and I swear it has dampened turnout over the years (why bother to vote if your state is so likely to go one way only?). Now I realize suddenly that Dean's strategy helps put vigor in races all over the place. Hurray for Dean.
Here's a suggestion to everyone - so many of us have our own little email lists, and we know many people are out of touch with the blog. I think we should distribute this list far and wide.
PS - who heard Gov. Dean today on the radio?
Sweet! I love it.
So glad to see the Dean Dozen. So glad to see these inititatives. Now, let's get some house-parties going for these folks! Let's put them in office!
So glad to see the Dean Dozen. So glad to see these inititatives. Now, let's get some house-parties going for these folks! Let's put them in office!
Would love to see bats for the Dean Dozen. Twelve candidates who need financial support.
Twelve small bats that people can fill, one at a time. Maybe $5000 per bat? Then, when the 12 bats are filled, we'll have 12 more candidates to help. The "filled bats" could be moved to a BAT PAGE at DFA, and if each bat had the website for each candidate listed underneath, contributors could add to the coffers at will. The initial $5000 would be a nice gesture from the DFA grassroots.
Twelve small bats that people can fill, one at a time. Maybe $5000 per bat? Then, when the 12 bats are filled, we'll have 12 more candidates to help. The "filled bats" could be moved to a BAT PAGE at DFA, and if each bat had the website for each candidate listed underneath, contributors could add to the coffers at will. The initial $5000 would be a nice gesture from the DFA grassroots.
May the torch lit by Gov Dean,M.D. illuminate our future. On the back of our American dollar -the eye and the motto: Annuit Coeptis-Providence Has Favored Our Undertakings!
Carry the Torch! The FLAME~~~"The pyramid signifies Strength and Duration: the Eye over it & the Motto allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause."
Shrub has brought us bad will.
The Dean Dozen~Carry the Torch
I played with the idea of running for local office. WAAAAY too many skeletons in my closet; might as well call it the Museum of Natural Science... I'm glad that there are brave souls out there doing the work.
"I think we should distribute this list far and wide."
Posted by Elly in MD at May 12, 2004 10:54 PM
At minimum, should be a job for an HQ Press Release, and they should
have staff or appointed volunteers designated for communicating official
announcements to blogs & other resources.
Posted by Elly in MD at May 12, 2004 10:54 PM
At minimum, should be a job for an HQ Press Release, and they should
have staff or appointed volunteers designated for communicating official
announcements to blogs & other resources.
We need volunteers!
Bringing Visibility to the Invisible
Purpose: A countrywide protest of the Bush Administration's destructive polices in Iraq.
Description:
Carrying a metaphorical torch across the country, through all 50 states, beginning in San Francisco on Memorial Day, wending it's way to Washington DC for July 4, then to DeanFest for July 24/25, on to the Democratic Convention in Boston, then the Republican Convention in NYC.
In each state, on Memorial Day, groups should arrange visibility events in conjunction with local celebrations. The events should be respectful of those whose lives have been lost.
A candle-light vigil and/or creating a float for the local parade have been suggested, thus far, as possible ideas. Other ideas are welcome.
At the event, a torch, representing the one that will be crossing the country should be part of the ceremony.
Who we need:
1. A Visibility Event Coordinator (or team) from each state, able to coordinate Memorial Day and 4th of July events.
2. Volunteers to drive the torch (perhaps more than one in larger states, maybe have no more than 200 miles per driver?) Some states might prefer to "run" the torch if you have the people and permits for that, or perhaps just run within the capitol city?
3. A graphics designer to design the "torch." One idea was the mosaic of the fallen, but creating an image of a torch instead of Bush. Other ideas welcome.
4. A volunteer to coordinate permits as needed, with the cities of San Francisco, DC, Boston, NYC, etc.
5. Someone to map routes - including at least the capital and possibly the 2 next largest cities
in each state.
6. Someone to write up the press releases to be sent to the major newspapers in each state.
If you want to help out, or know of some contacts who might help out click... Thanks!
Bringing Visibility to the Invisible
Purpose: A countrywide protest of the Bush Administration's destructive polices in Iraq.
Description:
Carrying a metaphorical torch across the country, through all 50 states, beginning in San Francisco on Memorial Day, wending it's way to Washington DC for July 4, then to DeanFest for July 24/25, on to the Democratic Convention in Boston, then the Republican Convention in NYC.
In each state, on Memorial Day, groups should arrange visibility events in conjunction with local celebrations. The events should be respectful of those whose lives have been lost.
A candle-light vigil and/or creating a float for the local parade have been suggested, thus far, as possible ideas. Other ideas are welcome.
At the event, a torch, representing the one that will be crossing the country should be part of the ceremony.
Who we need:
1. A Visibility Event Coordinator (or team) from each state, able to coordinate Memorial Day and 4th of July events.
2. Volunteers to drive the torch (perhaps more than one in larger states, maybe have no more than 200 miles per driver?) Some states might prefer to "run" the torch if you have the people and permits for that, or perhaps just run within the capitol city?
3. A graphics designer to design the "torch." One idea was the mosaic of the fallen, but creating an image of a torch instead of Bush. Other ideas welcome.
4. A volunteer to coordinate permits as needed, with the cities of San Francisco, DC, Boston, NYC, etc.
5. Someone to map routes - including at least the capital and possibly the 2 next largest cities
in each state.
6. Someone to write up the press releases to be sent to the major newspapers in each state.
If you want to help out, or know of some contacts who might help out click... Thanks!
Posted by Andrew C. White at May 12, 2004 10:46 PM
You can play with your food after you've eaten ALL of your greens.
Posted by LA Mom at May 12, 2004 10:49 PM
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Grasshopper cookies are green on the inside right?
You can play with your food after you've eaten ALL of your greens.
Posted by LA Mom at May 12, 2004 10:49 PM
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Grasshopper cookies are green on the inside right?
Posted by Maura in VA at May 12, 2004 10:55 PM
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What about Southbury, Ct. Is that in what will be Kim Hynes district?
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What about Southbury, Ct. Is that in what will be Kim Hynes district?
Woo!!!!!! I am SO EXCITED to see our own Lori Saldaña on the list -- she was a Dean delegate and she's on my Meetup list, too! that and Barack Obama, who's such a Dean dude -- great values, amazingly good candidate.
Okay, I'm really excited about the new DFA.
!!!!!!!
Okay, I'm really excited about the new DFA.
!!!!!!!
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The Unofficial BlogforAmerica Cook Book (etc.)
...Of the blog, by the blog, and for the blog
Dedicated to Howard Dean
~ - ~
Send in your favorite recipes - from jc's Lasagna to God's Country Morels, from Punk Peppers to chocolate anything, whether cooking for two or feeding a crowd (a barbeque, a family reunion picnic, an inauguration house party!)
Share your special do-ahead tips or kitchen hints, favorite blog moments, a story...
Post your entries soon: DeanFestCookBook@aol.com
Yet another celebration of the friendships and solidarity of our Dean-inspired community, the idear took root from Listener's suggestion to have a blog shower for 'Dean couples' Page & Frank, and Joy & Bruce.
Book will be available July 24 and 25 at DeanFest and by mail
Price will be set at end of June when we know the # of pages
Proceeds will help offset costs of Blogger Breakfest
(a grassroots project not authorized by Democracy for America)
What about Southbury, Ct. Is that in what will be Kim Hynes district?
Posted by Andrew C. White at May 12, 2004 11:03 PM
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Hi, Andrew! Nope - the districts for state rep in CT are really small, so and I believe Kim's is just a part of Greenwich and a slice of Stamford. Southbury's a good distance to the north and east of Stamford (north of Trumbull near Waterbury, I think.)
Posted by Andrew C. White at May 12, 2004 11:03 PM
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Hi, Andrew! Nope - the districts for state rep in CT are really small, so and I believe Kim's is just a part of Greenwich and a slice of Stamford. Southbury's a good distance to the north and east of Stamford (north of Trumbull near Waterbury, I think.)
Hi Maura,
Thanks. My sister and brother-in-law lived in Stamford and bought a place in Southbury not too long ago. I knew it wasn't far but I wasn't sure how far. I haven't been to visit yet but was hoping I could push them to get check out Kim Hynes and perhaps get involved.
Thanks. My sister and brother-in-law lived in Stamford and bought a place in Southbury not too long ago. I knew it wasn't far but I wasn't sure how far. I haven't been to visit yet but was hoping I could push them to get check out Kim Hynes and perhaps get involved.
One more idear then I'm off to bed - everyone here tonight should pay close attention to where all of these candidates are, then think if you have friends or relatives with political inclinations who live in that area - email them to suggest support. You'd be surprised how many people have no idea who's running in their districts, even people who think of themselves as politically aware....Bravo, Dean!
So... now that we have the list... does everyone make a committment to go down the list giving $25 bucks each at whatever rate we can individually afford to cough it up?
"I hope they'll put some permanent links for these candidates somewhere on the blog or the main site. I've just added their links to my home page."
Hey, why not just go crazy and add a link to *your* site on this blog?
Please? Finally?
Hey, why not just go crazy and add a link to *your* site on this blog?
Please? Finally?
Ok now... lessee... (this one's for Page)... there once was 600,000 of us... let's be really, really, really conservative and say that only 1% are still acitively hanging around... that leaves 6,000... if each of the 6,000 gave $25 dollars each to each of these candidates then that would come to $150,000 per candidate.
Think that might be seen as providing some assistance and support to progressive candidates around the country?
Think that might be seen as providing some assistance and support to progressive candidates around the country?
Thanks for the numbers, Andrew!
That would average out to $100 per month from each of us until November.
That would average out to $100 per month from each of us until November.
I think John McCain is going to be on Letterman tonight and I will propbably go watch it. McCain disappoints me because while I admire him for his candor and bucking the system he does not do it enough. No sensible person with a heart and soul could be part of the extreme right wing that the Republican party has become, yet he often sits there and defends them. I admire people who are totally honest and stand up for what's right; McCain has the capability to do that but he does not, instead hanging on to his power. Therefore he deserves admiration for his service to this country but not for his political decisions and course.
I am so impressed. This is very exciting to see DFA 2 taking shape...
"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane"
-Shawshank Redemption
Hope is also an amazing thing and the thing that can make all of us exceptional.
Thank you, Howard!
"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane"
-Shawshank Redemption
Hope is also an amazing thing and the thing that can make all of us exceptional.
Thank you, Howard!
wow Wow WOW! How excellent, and especially to see Kim Hynes up there!
I sent a (far too modest) contribution to Kim's campaign several weeks ago, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
She is a phenomenal woman, running a tough race. A more dedicated family of Dean supporters you will not find, anywhere.
This is phenomenal. We are going to take our country back!
I sent a (far too modest) contribution to Kim's campaign several weeks ago, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
She is a phenomenal woman, running a tough race. A more dedicated family of Dean supporters you will not find, anywhere.
This is phenomenal. We are going to take our country back!
One of our Rochester, NY members just had this quote as their tagline on a note this evening... pretty good stuff from a man that knew what he was talking about...
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation,
are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain
without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful
roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a
physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a
struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and
it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you
have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be
imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted
with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are
prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - Frederick
Douglass
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation,
are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain
without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful
roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a
physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a
struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and
it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you
have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be
imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted
with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are
prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." - Frederick
Douglass
Posted by mataliandy at May 12, 2004 11:00 PM
Excellent post, mataliandy!
I hope the response is good.
When I get back I'll want to know what has so far shaped up for Vermont, too, and will do all I can to help!!!
Thank you SOOOOO much, mataliandy, jjem! and IndySteve, for carrying the Torch behind the torch!
Excellent post, mataliandy!
I hope the response is good.
When I get back I'll want to know what has so far shaped up for Vermont, too, and will do all I can to help!!!
Thank you SOOOOO much, mataliandy, jjem! and IndySteve, for carrying the Torch behind the torch!
Thanks for the numbers, Andrew!
That would average out to $100 per month from each of us until November.
Posted by mataliandy at May 12, 2004 11:26 PM
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that's for the first 12 candidates, right?
Howard says there will be lots more.
Looks like some fundraising efforts are in order.
That would average out to $100 per month from each of us until November.
Posted by mataliandy at May 12, 2004 11:26 PM
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that's for the first 12 candidates, right?
Howard says there will be lots more.
Looks like some fundraising efforts are in order.
That would average out to $100 per month from each of us until November.
Posted by mataliandy at May 12, 2004 11:26 PM
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Ok... since they are planning on letting us know about another dozen soon and going on to a list of hundreds then perhaps we should each consider giving $10 per candidate on the list.
At 6,000 givers (anyone know how may contributed towards the $250K bat we just completed?)... that'll end up being $60,000 per candidate... still not a paltry sum... and something we can each achieve a wee bit easier and a wee bit faster.
Anyone up for giving it the best go their checking accounts (and spouses) will allow?
Posted by mataliandy at May 12, 2004 11:26 PM
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Ok... since they are planning on letting us know about another dozen soon and going on to a list of hundreds then perhaps we should each consider giving $10 per candidate on the list.
At 6,000 givers (anyone know how may contributed towards the $250K bat we just completed?)... that'll end up being $60,000 per candidate... still not a paltry sum... and something we can each achieve a wee bit easier and a wee bit faster.
Anyone up for giving it the best go their checking accounts (and spouses) will allow?
Carry the torch*****************
if computer vote
then paper receipt
the receipt is the TORCH
carry the torch with you as you leave
~~~
providence is our flame (annuit Coeptis)
and don't forget to stay in Providence R.I. and learn of it's great history
Boston is a train away ( < 1hour )
if computer vote
then paper receipt
the receipt is the TORCH
carry the torch with you as you leave
~~~
providence is our flame (annuit Coeptis)
and don't forget to stay in Providence R.I. and learn of it's great history
Boston is a train away ( < 1hour )
How is everyone doing tonight?? Staying out of trouble i hope!
I am proud to see Mark Manoil on the list. I donated to him several months ago and signed his petition to get on the ballot.
Hey, Maura. Shoot me an e-mail when you get the chance. Just wondering what is happening in your neck of the woods.
Hey, Maura. Shoot me an e-mail when you get the chance. Just wondering what is happening in your neck of the woods.
Wow. Big night. Howard gave us a list! Wish I had more money cause I know these folks have served his heart...and his heart is where we all are. I am making cookies, peanut butter, tonight...and I am sad, because I am saying so long and God Bless to my daughters old boy friend from high school.NOw, bless her she has always chosen wonderful men, but this was one of my favorites and he is home for the weekend having finished his OCR commission and heading for Irag as a marine officer. It's a war I never wanted and certainly a place I never wanted our best and brightest to be. I know his sensitivity and Know he will counter all the negative press...as most of our servicemen do...still it is such a waste. My cookies can never tell him or others how much we understand and appreciate their efforts and bringing people some democracy after the atrocities they have lived with, but at the same time the way the administration capitalizes on our fears and their stupidity so worries me. Please join with me in supporting our folks who are called to serve a noble purpose by and a**HOLE ADMINISTRATION who knows nothing about culture and caring for a world community. Pray for our world with me. P.S. The list is great...thank you Howard, you are our inspiration and the bloggers feed me daily. Love ya.
I missed Jon Stewart at 11:00pm, so I'm going to pack until 1:00am and watch the rerun of it then!
G'nite dear blog village!
I'll see you in my dreams.
I arrive home very late on the 23rd and have (yipe!) *three* vital meetings on my first day back. [That's what comes when you scrunch the schedule so you can be away!] So, I anticipate being back on blog on the 24th in the evening!
Meanwhile, hopes and prayers ensuing!
G'nite dear blog village!
I'll see you in my dreams.
I arrive home very late on the 23rd and have (yipe!) *three* vital meetings on my first day back. [That's what comes when you scrunch the schedule so you can be away!] So, I anticipate being back on blog on the 24th in the evening!
Meanwhile, hopes and prayers ensuing!
Repost from last thread:
Bloggers,
Anyone here from any of the following cities?
Atlanta
Baltimore
Boston
Chicago
Denver
Iowa City
Miami
New York
Phoenix
Portsmouth
Providence
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
ALSO smaller towns New Port Richey, FL and Auburn, IN?
If so, can you write me? I have a quick and easy favor to ask!
Gracias!
Posted by Lanya at May 12, 2004 10:33 PM
Bloggers,
Anyone here from any of the following cities?
Atlanta
Baltimore
Boston
Chicago
Denver
Iowa City
Miami
New York
Phoenix
Portsmouth
Providence
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
ALSO smaller towns New Port Richey, FL and Auburn, IN?
If so, can you write me? I have a quick and easy favor to ask!
Gracias!
Posted by Lanya at May 12, 2004 10:33 PM
So, on the Webby awards, do Tanner and Alison get to pose with an actual award??? Would be cool if we could get the staff picture on the site.
Ah yes, my email address. (click)
Hi Roo! Sorry to hear that your heart is heavy tonight. Give my love to Skye, Friday, Muffy and... it will come to me... um... the big boy!
Hi Roo! Sorry to hear that your heart is heavy tonight. Give my love to Skye, Friday, Muffy and... it will come to me... um... the big boy!
Yet another celebration of the friendships and solidarity of our Dean-inspired community, the idear took root from Listener's suggestion to have a blog shower for 'Dean couples' Page & Frank, and Joy & Bruce.
Posted by BloggerCookBook at May 12, 2004 11:10 PM
Looks like we'll need a baby-food section to the cookbook, or a Blogger's Baby Shower too! Kimmy Cash is expecting... :)
Posted by BloggerCookBook at May 12, 2004 11:10 PM
Looks like we'll need a baby-food section to the cookbook, or a Blogger's Baby Shower too! Kimmy Cash is expecting... :)
I forgot to ask - do we still put .44 at the end of a donation? Will these candidates understand that secret financial handshake?
For anyone with a spouse who doesn't agree with all the contributions and would just like to slip a bill into an envelope - I was told in 2002 that a candidate could accept up to $100 (I think!) in cash but you'd have to give the campaign the information about who you are, your address, occupation, employer, etc. I'll try to check out that information, or maybe someone here knows.
For anyone with a spouse who doesn't agree with all the contributions and would just like to slip a bill into an envelope - I was told in 2002 that a candidate could accept up to $100 (I think!) in cash but you'd have to give the campaign the information about who you are, your address, occupation, employer, etc. I'll try to check out that information, or maybe someone here knows.
Meanwhile, hopes and prayers ensuing!
Posted by listener at May 12, 2004 11:35 PM
Have a great retreat. Come back refreshed and ready to go!
Posted by listener at May 12, 2004 11:35 PM
Have a great retreat. Come back refreshed and ready to go!
Enjoy the hermitage! May you find the peace you seek, and bring back a whopping slice of it for us all. ;-)
Looks like we'll need a baby-food section to the cookbook, or a Blogger's Baby Shower too! Kimmy Cash is expecting... :)
Posted by listener at May 12, 2004 11:40 PM
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Howard Cash... I kinda like that name. LOL
Posted by listener at May 12, 2004 11:40 PM
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Howard Cash... I kinda like that name. LOL
Posted by Lanya at May 12, 2004 11:36 PM
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Lanya,
I'm drawing a blank at the moment but there is a fella that posts on the blog that is running for office in the Auburn, Indiana area. County or city council I think? My late father-in-law was born there so the location caught my eye.
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Lanya,
I'm drawing a blank at the moment but there is a fella that posts on the blog that is running for office in the Auburn, Indiana area. County or city council I think? My late father-in-law was born there so the location caught my eye.
Listener..haha Howard Cash.. I already fooled around with his name and all I got from Frankie was "that's a bit too white" hahaha
THANKS so much for all the good wishes and congratulations everyone! I'm more pumped than ever to get these dozen elected and take back our country!!
I'm so excited about Dean Fest!! I've never camped before so that should be a riot in itself.
;) Off to eat some dinner!
THANKS so much for all the good wishes and congratulations everyone! I'm more pumped than ever to get these dozen elected and take back our country!!
I'm so excited about Dean Fest!! I've never camped before so that should be a riot in itself.
;) Off to eat some dinner!
Hey Kimmy,
If not Howie then how about... Dean Cash... that's what we'll be sending to the Dean Dozen. Works for a name too.
If not Howie then how about... Dean Cash... that's what we'll be sending to the Dean Dozen. Works for a name too.
Lanya
I'm relatively close to Chicago... click
I'm relatively close to Chicago... click
As an Illinois resident I am thrilled to see Barack Obama on the list. Tomorrow I donate cuz of Dean's support.
Dean wrote that he will be stomping with Obama, any one know where or when?
And, everybody let's get rid of Delay.
Keep the torch burning
Dean wrote that he will be stomping with Obama, any one know where or when?
And, everybody let's get rid of Delay.
Keep the torch burning
" if you have friends or relatives with political inclinations who live in that area - email them to suggest support...
Posted by Elly in MD at May 12, 2004 11:16 PM"
Eggselent idear, I'm gonna email my sister in Chicago with info about Barack Obama right now.
Posted by Elly in MD at May 12, 2004 11:16 PM"
Eggselent idear, I'm gonna email my sister in Chicago with info about Barack Obama right now.
Posted by James in Waterford Michigan at May 12, 2004 11:35 PM
I would vote for you if I still lived in Michigan!
I would vote for you if I still lived in Michigan!
I really need some words of encouragement from intelligent people! I am studying for my finals and contemplating on dropping out of law school...Constitutional law is so freaking hard!
I really need some words of encouragement from intelligent people! I am studying for my finals and contemplating on dropping out of law school...Constitutional law is so freaking hard!
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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Angie,
You are needed.
The hard work is worth it because our nation needs hard working people with good hearts, strong knowledge, and the desire to create positive change for the less fortunate.
Are you that person?
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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Angie,
You are needed.
The hard work is worth it because our nation needs hard working people with good hearts, strong knowledge, and the desire to create positive change for the less fortunate.
Are you that person?
Posted by Andrew C. White at May 13, 2004 12:03 AM
I want to be but I think that the caffeine is getting to me now!
I want to be but I think that the caffeine is getting to me now!
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 12:00 AM
Angie,
{{Hugs}}
We need good lawyers.
This is not a decision to make while studying :)
We need *you*.
Hang in there.
Angie,
{{Hugs}}
We need good lawyers.
This is not a decision to make while studying :)
We need *you*.
Hang in there.
Angie - Keep going!
We are sooooo going to need constitutional lawyers who believe in that part of it called the Bill of Rights. Pleeeeeease help protect it for us!
We are sooooo going to need constitutional lawyers who believe in that part of it called the Bill of Rights. Pleeeeeease help protect it for us!
Posted by mataliandy at May 13, 2004 12:09 AM
I am tryin...Friday I will be done with this exam...then on to one last one!
I am tryin...Friday I will be done with this exam...then on to one last one!
Andrew - inspiring words.
I was up til 4a.m. last night and have been going all day long. Thought I could sit down and post earlier, but only drove by - at just the right moment! What a surprise. What a day for DFA!
Night all.
I was up til 4a.m. last night and have been going all day long. Thought I could sit down and post earlier, but only drove by - at just the right moment! What a surprise. What a day for DFA!
Night all.
I'm sorry for being such a downer, but I saw the Berg video a little while ago. Worse, because CNN wasn't working, I saw it through an atrocious website that posts decapitations and other atrocities for pleasure. While I was waiting for the download, I saw photographs of John F. Kennedy's autopsy. I just kept touching his face on the screen. Then I saw the decapitation.
I'm a little messed up right now (that's putting it mildly because I have no words for what I feel), but I don't regret watching the video. I'm trying to understand how human beings can behave this way... and I just erased a bunch of things because I don't want to upset people who don't want to see the video.
I wish I could get excited about DeanFest and the Dean Dozen. I'll get excited about that tomorrow, but I will never forget what I saw today.
There is one thing on the blog that does make me happy, and that is to read that Kimmy's expecting. Congratulations! Out of all the tragedy in our world, I look forward to welcoming new life. Your children have a heck of a mom to look up to! Kimmy, thanks for making me smile.
I'm a little messed up right now (that's putting it mildly because I have no words for what I feel), but I don't regret watching the video. I'm trying to understand how human beings can behave this way... and I just erased a bunch of things because I don't want to upset people who don't want to see the video.
I wish I could get excited about DeanFest and the Dean Dozen. I'll get excited about that tomorrow, but I will never forget what I saw today.
There is one thing on the blog that does make me happy, and that is to read that Kimmy's expecting. Congratulations! Out of all the tragedy in our world, I look forward to welcoming new life. Your children have a heck of a mom to look up to! Kimmy, thanks for making me smile.
I love this!!! This is great! We need to start fighting everywhere. That is what the republicans have been doing for the last 20 years and it worked for them!! We need to stop that now.
Go DFA!!!
Go DFA!!!
Good luck, Angie. I'm coming up on finals too so I sympathize. Stay strong. My dad always says: "Do your best. Then be at peace. For it is out of your hands." Basically, you can only do your best and no one can ask any more of you than that, so try to keep the stress to a minimum. And remember that all the other bloggers are right. We need people like you.
Especially in MN! I'm always delighted to see someone blogging from here. :-)
Especially in MN! I'm always delighted to see someone blogging from here. :-)
Oh, and Angie, don't you dare drop out. Get off the blog and hit the books, and if you were living in NYC instead of Minnesota, I would be brewing you my free-trade, organic espresso and shoving it down your throat! In a kind, gentle way.
everyone I listened to the majority report tonight and it was really interesting...i want to read taht book that they were talking about
Posted by Sarah from MN at May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Posted by Agatha at May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Thanks guys!! Sarah, where in MN do you live??
Posted by Agatha at May 13, 2004 12:27 AM
Thanks guys!! Sarah, where in MN do you live??
hey Geri!
yeah for you..
Tiny from Philly..
92..
she could probably knock GW out with one blow! or at least use her cane!
spread the love!
yeah for you..
Tiny from Philly..
92..
she could probably knock GW out with one blow! or at least use her cane!
spread the love!
Posted by Judy at May 12, 2004 10:56 PM
Great idear Judy!!
The Dean Dozen is totally awesome, this is incredibly exciting!
Our Democracy for Oregon group isn't organized enough yet to look at candidates but I hope someday we can identify/help some folks to help take back our statehouse from the republican bozos who are systematically destroying our state.
go Dean! go DFA! go Dean Dozen!
Great idear Judy!!
The Dean Dozen is totally awesome, this is incredibly exciting!
Our Democracy for Oregon group isn't organized enough yet to look at candidates but I hope someday we can identify/help some folks to help take back our statehouse from the republican bozos who are systematically destroying our state.
go Dean! go DFA! go Dean Dozen!
I heard Howard on Ed Shultz today and he was wonderful, as always....sigh.
Out here we are getting very stoked for Howard's appearance with (yawn) Kerry at a rally next monday. woo-hoo!
Out here we are getting very stoked for Howard's appearance with (yawn) Kerry at a rally next monday. woo-hoo!
Nina Trasoff spoke at our Meetup last week. I gave her my last $5, just one of 1600 she needs to run as a "clean" candidate under the Arizona Clean Elections Law. I was very impressed with her spirit and delivery.
The Arizona Clean Elections Law is under attack by the Repugs, and a large portion of our Meetup time was spent on ways to educate the public so we can preserve this wonderful law. Our Governor, Janet Napolitano, ran under the Clean Elections Law and won. There's hope for Arizona yet!
The Arizona Clean Elections Law is under attack by the Repugs, and a large portion of our Meetup time was spent on ways to educate the public so we can preserve this wonderful law. Our Governor, Janet Napolitano, ran under the Clean Elections Law and won. There's hope for Arizona yet!
Posted by Agatha at May 13, 2004 12:21 AM
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What you did was a brave, and good, and terrible thing. I thought about it, and could not.
I have gone looking, and found really awful pictures of Iraqi Dead, and I know something of what you must be going through.
But I also think it is vital that someone be witness. So much love to you for being willing to be that witness.
This list is great. Some people were getting antsy for things to happen and the ball is now rolling. Great work people!
I'll take time tomorrow when I'm not so tired to check out their websites.
I'll take time tomorrow when I'm not so tired to check out their websites.
--- The career military, other than aberrations like Boykin (rumored by some sources to be a major encouraging force behind the Iraqi prisoner abuse), have had it with the incompetence of this administration, and particularly of Rummy. ---
Earlier in the day I posted that it may be better for Kerry if Rumdum hangs on till the election considering how despised he is within the military. Losing their votes would be a major blow to Bush.
On the one hand, it would be better for the immediate national situation for Rumdum to go. On the other hand, possibly better for the long term if he stays and helps get bush out of office.
Politics is always a gamble.
Earlier in the day I posted that it may be better for Kerry if Rumdum hangs on till the election considering how despised he is within the military. Losing their votes would be a major blow to Bush.
On the one hand, it would be better for the immediate national situation for Rumdum to go. On the other hand, possibly better for the long term if he stays and helps get bush out of office.
Politics is always a gamble.
--- It's the liberals. It's the ACLU. It's Clinton. It's Monica. It's the "climate of permissiveness". It's France. It's the liberal media. It'sClinton's p*nis. It's Hillary. It's Gov. Dean. ---
Sounds almost like Kerry's new conservative platform he's adopted since the primaries.
Sounds almost like Kerry's new conservative platform he's adopted since the primaries.
Posted by Sitka at May 13, 2004 01:31 AM
For Bush to accept Rumsfeld's resignation - should Rumsfeld offer it - would be for Bush to admit that his administration did something wrong. I've seen no airborne pork, so unless a cold front is running through Hell I don't expect Rummy to go anywhere.
Now if some stray RPG hits Rumsfeld's motorcade next time he visits Iraq then we'll know that Bush accepted his resignation...
For Bush to accept Rumsfeld's resignation - should Rumsfeld offer it - would be for Bush to admit that his administration did something wrong. I've seen no airborne pork, so unless a cold front is running through Hell I don't expect Rummy to go anywhere.
Now if some stray RPG hits Rumsfeld's motorcade next time he visits Iraq then we'll know that Bush accepted his resignation...
I am so psyched that Monica Palacios-Boyce made the Dean Dozen! When I was standing outside the Big Y Supermarket in Palmer Mass helping collect ballot signatures for her, I never ever thought I'd see her name on the front page of DFA!
Monica is great and everyone associated with DFA can be proud of her selection to the "Dean Dozen".
Monica is great and everyone associated with DFA can be proud of her selection to the "Dean Dozen".
--- For Bush to accept Rumsfeld's resignation - should Rumsfeld offer it - would be for Bush to admit that his administration did something wrong ---
And that Bush is pathologically and politically incapable of doing. Self styled emissaries of God don't make mistakes -- or if they do can't admit them.
And that Bush is pathologically and politically incapable of doing. Self styled emissaries of God don't make mistakes -- or if they do can't admit them.
If Bush is a neo-con, could we refer to sKerry as a nerf-o-con,?
Posted by David A. Stevenson at May 13, 2004 01:47 AM
I'm sorry, I haven't even looked through the rest of the thread yet and am reading from the bottom up.
I just had to giggle at "nerf-o-con". Not sure what you mean, but reading it out of context is hilarious!
Posted by David A. Stevenson at May 13, 2004 01:47 AM
I'm sorry, I haven't even looked through the rest of the thread yet and am reading from the bottom up.
I just had to giggle at "nerf-o-con". Not sure what you mean, but reading it out of context is hilarious!
puddleriver: Here's how I am reacting. I noted Ann's last call for quilt swatches. I have never contributed a swatch in my life, but I started ironing an old curtain to send a patch to her. My mother sent the curtain to me as an "apartment-warming" gift a couple of years ago (it wasn't wide enough for my window), and I am ironing (I hate to iron) and sewing (I hate to sew) on Ann's behalf.
Nonetheless, I realize I am doing this as a reaction to the horror I saw earlier this evening. I would have called my family and friends, but I knew they were asleep. So, I blogged because this is a community I can rely upon, and I started to work manually because it's a good way to process thoughts.
Having seen the video, I have a lot of things floating in my brain as to how the killers brought themselves to actually do this (I will not write "them," for I would be slipping into "the other," which would be Bushco's bait). Again, I would have to describe the video in order to explain myself, and I won't upset readers in doing so. Just find the video and brace yourself and think for yourself, if you are willing to see the video.
I'm 30. I wasn't around for My Lai, JFK, MLK, and the rest of the horrors of my prior generations. What is going on in Iraq is the Vietnam of my generation. I want to see it and comprehend it, not because I am a sicko, but because I want to fight back. I need knowledge in order to do so, and the cover up that is happening right now is part of my fight. I saw a tiny part of it, I am mortified, and I am ready for what is to come. And, I am not a troop in Iraq. Heavens knows what they are seeing and doing as I type.
Knowledge is power; this is a cliche, but there is something to it.
Nonetheless, I realize I am doing this as a reaction to the horror I saw earlier this evening. I would have called my family and friends, but I knew they were asleep. So, I blogged because this is a community I can rely upon, and I started to work manually because it's a good way to process thoughts.
Having seen the video, I have a lot of things floating in my brain as to how the killers brought themselves to actually do this (I will not write "them," for I would be slipping into "the other," which would be Bushco's bait). Again, I would have to describe the video in order to explain myself, and I won't upset readers in doing so. Just find the video and brace yourself and think for yourself, if you are willing to see the video.
I'm 30. I wasn't around for My Lai, JFK, MLK, and the rest of the horrors of my prior generations. What is going on in Iraq is the Vietnam of my generation. I want to see it and comprehend it, not because I am a sicko, but because I want to fight back. I need knowledge in order to do so, and the cover up that is happening right now is part of my fight. I saw a tiny part of it, I am mortified, and I am ready for what is to come. And, I am not a troop in Iraq. Heavens knows what they are seeing and doing as I type.
Knowledge is power; this is a cliche, but there is something to it.
Any reporters who aren't watching David Letterman tonight are missing NEWS.
iF THE MAIN STREAM PRESS DOESN'T WRITE A STORY ABOUT THIS APPEARANCE THEY ARE EITHER INCOMPETENT OR IN BED WITH THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY ADMINISTRATION.
iF THE MAIN STREAM PRESS DOESN'T WRITE A STORY ABOUT THIS APPEARANCE THEY ARE EITHER INCOMPETENT OR IN BED WITH THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY ADMINISTRATION.
Posted by Sitka at May 13, 2004 01:49 AM
BushCo don't see themselves as "emissaries of God" - that's just the PR for their base. They see themselves as being beyond criticism - nobody has any standing to criticize this administration, this administration is accountable to nobody. They are Neo-Conservative Elitists, and they will destroy anyone who questions or interferes with their power. They view everyone who is not a part of their circle with contempt - that's why Jeffords bolted the GOP. They sully the reputation of everyone who is associated with anything that they touch. America looks like the business end of a horse to the world today, thanks to them. Christians look like a pile of fecal material thanks to them. Our honorable military now looks like a band of criminals thanks to them. This administration must go - and I wouldn't be opposed to treating them as "enemy combatants" once they've been ousted from power.
BushCo don't see themselves as "emissaries of God" - that's just the PR for their base. They see themselves as being beyond criticism - nobody has any standing to criticize this administration, this administration is accountable to nobody. They are Neo-Conservative Elitists, and they will destroy anyone who questions or interferes with their power. They view everyone who is not a part of their circle with contempt - that's why Jeffords bolted the GOP. They sully the reputation of everyone who is associated with anything that they touch. America looks like the business end of a horse to the world today, thanks to them. Christians look like a pile of fecal material thanks to them. Our honorable military now looks like a band of criminals thanks to them. This administration must go - and I wouldn't be opposed to treating them as "enemy combatants" once they've been ousted from power.
Great list; thanks guv. My credit cards and checkbook are standing at attention!
Repost:
A caller to AA today said that even if the Diebold machines had paper trails, election fraud could still occur. She said the only only, and the cheapest way, to ensure one person one vote is to use eye scans, which are already used in some precincts and which eliminate the possibility of fraud. I think we need to seriously look into this.
Repost:
A caller to AA today said that even if the Diebold machines had paper trails, election fraud could still occur. She said the only only, and the cheapest way, to ensure one person one vote is to use eye scans, which are already used in some precincts and which eliminate the possibility of fraud. I think we need to seriously look into this.
Posted by Agatha at May 13, 2004 02:05 AM
You have to do what you feel is right. I couldn't bring myself to watch that video. I was working TV when Daniel Perl was executed and I actually watched that video. I was so desensitized that I watched it. Since I haven't worked in TV for about 2 years now, I can't bring myself to watch it....
You have to do what you feel is right. I couldn't bring myself to watch that video. I was working TV when Daniel Perl was executed and I actually watched that video. I was so desensitized that I watched it. Since I haven't worked in TV for about 2 years now, I can't bring myself to watch it....
YAY!!!!! Obama from IL on the Dean dozen list. I am his county coordinator in Ogle co. Not bad for only being active in our Dem party for 5 months. I thiink they see that I am Howard powered with enthusiam for Obama. I can't think of anything greater than see the two of them together. Ah heaven!
Great list; thanks guv. My credit cards and checkbook are standing at attention!
Repost:
A caller to AA today said that even if the Diebold machines had paper trails, election fraud could still occur. She said the only only, and the cheapest way, to ensure one person one vote is to use eye scans, which are already used in some precincts and which eliminate the possibility of fraud. I think we need to seriously look into this.
Posted by seashell at May 13, 2004 02:12 AM
This is just a scam to lead us to further techno Big Brother. Just like Electronic Voting Machines were supposed to ""HELP America Vote"" This is the SAME DOUBLESPEAK as No Child Left Behind, Clear Skies, etc.!!
Repost:
A caller to AA today said that even if the Diebold machines had paper trails, election fraud could still occur. She said the only only, and the cheapest way, to ensure one person one vote is to use eye scans, which are already used in some precincts and which eliminate the possibility of fraud. I think we need to seriously look into this.
Posted by seashell at May 13, 2004 02:12 AM
This is just a scam to lead us to further techno Big Brother. Just like Electronic Voting Machines were supposed to ""HELP America Vote"" This is the SAME DOUBLESPEAK as No Child Left Behind, Clear Skies, etc.!!
A little more info about Monica Palacios-Boyce, one of the Dean Dozen.
Monica is a Latina mother of 2, and a working scientist with advanced degrees in microbiology. When she got into the race, her opponent was an incumbent State Rep that ahd run unopposed for the last two terms. Suddenly confronted with a challenge from Monica, the incumbent stepped down, endorsing his top staff aide as the GOP candidate. This means that Monica ios now running for an open seat, vastly increasing her chances of winning.
Monica's scientific background would make her a uniquely qualified Representative to deal with a range of issues running from the environment to health care to economic development in the biotech industry. She has a commitment to developing new environmentally friendly technology industries, which could be a vital source of new jobs in her economically depressed, largely mill-town district.
Monica had been very active in the Dean campaign in Central Massachusetts, and has pulled together her campaign staff from Dean supporters from central and western Mass. She also recently won election to the Massachusetts State Democratic Committee, giving us an important Dean voice in John Kerry's Massachusetts Democratic Party.
Monica is a Latina mother of 2, and a working scientist with advanced degrees in microbiology. When she got into the race, her opponent was an incumbent State Rep that ahd run unopposed for the last two terms. Suddenly confronted with a challenge from Monica, the incumbent stepped down, endorsing his top staff aide as the GOP candidate. This means that Monica ios now running for an open seat, vastly increasing her chances of winning.
Monica's scientific background would make her a uniquely qualified Representative to deal with a range of issues running from the environment to health care to economic development in the biotech industry. She has a commitment to developing new environmentally friendly technology industries, which could be a vital source of new jobs in her economically depressed, largely mill-town district.
Monica had been very active in the Dean campaign in Central Massachusetts, and has pulled together her campaign staff from Dean supporters from central and western Mass. She also recently won election to the Massachusetts State Democratic Committee, giving us an important Dean voice in John Kerry's Massachusetts Democratic Party.
I haven't been to the blog since February... I am a recovering daily Dean blogger. His bumper sticker is still on my car and will stay there.
I am disgusted to be an American.
I don't see help anywhere.
Someone snap me out of it!!!
Please
I am disgusted to be an American.
I don't see help anywhere.
Someone snap me out of it!!!
Please
Posted by Annapolis4Dean at May 13, 2004 02:29 AM
That's just begging for an Airplane! response... ;)
That's just begging for an Airplane! response... ;)
Hey Annapolis
I think just about everyone here understands what you're feeling.
To me, just like in the Dean campaign, it's still true that we ARE the "help", that it's up to us ourselves to make the difference, perhaps a bit sadder but wiser from the way the campaign ended.
I think just about everyone here understands what you're feeling.
To me, just like in the Dean campaign, it's still true that we ARE the "help", that it's up to us ourselves to make the difference, perhaps a bit sadder but wiser from the way the campaign ended.
Agatha~~
I almost had to laugh: when a client of mine (hospice) was dying, I cleaned as she slept, when she could. Her daughter would come, and we would clean together. I said once to her daughter: I wonder what men do in the same situation.
A good part of my life has been molded into whatever it has been because when I was thirteen, I happened to pick up on a drugstore newsstand, a magazine full of pictures of the holocaust. I bought it, and kept it for a very long time. I've worried all my life about people who believe that they could "never" do such things. Who are so certain in their souls. . . .
I like to believe I couldn't, and am dreadfully glad that I have not ever been tested. My tests are smaller: to try to remember to speak up when someone tells a nasty racial or gay joke. To not let it pass uncommented upon. To do what good I can, and a little more. To give a little more. To give back a little more. To not flinch at truth.
As I said before, so much love to you and virtual hugs and hot tea (raspberry is good. . . ) for being willing to take this on. This is a culture that seems to me to avoid truth like the plague, to be willing to step forward and see what *is* to know what *is* is a marvelous, and ultimately life renewing thing.
...I am serious, and don't call me Shirley. :)
Thanks Larry.
I just feel like we cannot turn this around.
Dems-Kerry-Nader are all making it worse.
No one is standing up to these thugs.
I'm sorry for awfulizing this...
But what I have only suspected in my conspiracy theory mind is horrifcally coming true.
Chaney and Rumsfeld are the devil. Truly evil. Hitler-esque or worse.
Why are they not charged with treason? And locked away for life? Along with the supreme court justices who put them all there.
An inte4rnational beheading played with sound over and over and over again on national tv all times of day for our children to see...
Sorry I just gotta get it out.
I'm at a loss for words.
I just feel like we cannot turn this around.
Dems-Kerry-Nader are all making it worse.
No one is standing up to these thugs.
I'm sorry for awfulizing this...
But what I have only suspected in my conspiracy theory mind is horrifcally coming true.
Chaney and Rumsfeld are the devil. Truly evil. Hitler-esque or worse.
Why are they not charged with treason? And locked away for life? Along with the supreme court justices who put them all there.
An inte4rnational beheading played with sound over and over and over again on national tv all times of day for our children to see...
Sorry I just gotta get it out.
I'm at a loss for words.
"Any reporters who aren't watching David Letterman tonight are missing NEWS.
iF THE MAIN STREAM PRESS DOESN'T WRITE A STORY ABOUT THIS APPEARANCE THEY ARE EITHER INCOMPETENT OR IN BED WITH THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY ADMINISTRATION."
Posted by Progressive Avenger Phnx at May 13, 2004 02:07 AM
Please explain. What appearance? McCain's?
iF THE MAIN STREAM PRESS DOESN'T WRITE A STORY ABOUT THIS APPEARANCE THEY ARE EITHER INCOMPETENT OR IN BED WITH THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY ADMINISTRATION."
Posted by Progressive Avenger Phnx at May 13, 2004 02:07 AM
Please explain. What appearance? McCain's?
"BushCo don't see themselves as "emissaries of God" - that's just the PR for their base."
Posted by Oscar In Louisville at May 13, 2004 02:10 AM
Dead-center, right-on. Religion is one of a number of tools, a means
to the end. But it has nothing at all to do with what they're truly after.
"They sully the reputation"
Sure, but that's only a tactic, just as 'terrorism' isn't really
an enemy but it's only a tactic, a method.
For these people there is one and only one isssue, and always
has been: ownership. Looking at it that way, these guys have been
astonishingly consistent and successful for generations.
Looking ahead, there isn't much time left.
Posted by Oscar In Louisville at May 13, 2004 02:10 AM
Dead-center, right-on. Religion is one of a number of tools, a means
to the end. But it has nothing at all to do with what they're truly after.
"They sully the reputation"
Sure, but that's only a tactic, just as 'terrorism' isn't really
an enemy but it's only a tactic, a method.
For these people there is one and only one isssue, and always
has been: ownership. Looking at it that way, these guys have been
astonishingly consistent and successful for generations.
Looking ahead, there isn't much time left.
West coast.
Sigh. Dershowitz is back on the circuit urging us to solidify rational policies
for when we torture our enemies.
Enemies we currently outgun a billion to one.
Sigh. Dershowitz is back on the circuit urging us to solidify rational policies
for when we torture our enemies.
Enemies we currently outgun a billion to one.
" An inte4rnational beheading played with sound over and over and over again on national tv all times of day for our children to see..."
On American TV? Not where I live.
On American TV? Not where I live.
Posted by Annapolis4Dean at May 13, 2004 02:40 AM
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Part of the secret is, you stay where your support is: for many of us, it is here, the blog. I for one need to be part of a community that thinks like I do.
Away too long, and I start believing that what the media tells me is true, and that I am alone, and that nothing can ever be changed.
Here, on a reasonably daily basis, I know that there are many fighting and sacrificing for exactly what I believe in: it gives strength. And balance. That is, at best, what community does.
Today's threads have been wonderful: we have babies, we have celebrations, we have cookbooks and torches. We have actionable information, we have spirit. Gosh, we even have trolls to keep us sharp, and remind us what the other side is, in "human" terms.
Come, stay, lurk, post, contribute. Love and be loved. Never give up. WE DO HAVE THE POWER. They only have it if we give it to them.
Just a few minutes here before things get going in earnest. It has been reported over the past few days that Gen. Taguba (a courageous class act!), who authored the Taguba Report, and Stephen Cambone, billed as an Assistant Secretary of Defense in the articles I saw (which may gotten his title wrong) differ on whether intelligence operatives controlled/encouraged the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
Just checked Google for Cambone and found the following at An Economist Against Empire from a May 2003 comment:
"Who is this Stephen Cambone? Washington Times reporters Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough recently wrote the following (strangely the original page with this article has disappeared; I recovered this from the Google cache):
Stephen Cambone has assumed sweeping power over the Pentagon's intelligence bureaucracy as the new undersecretary of defense for intelligence.
We obtained a copy of a May 8 memorandum from Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz setting up the new office. It states that the office takes over all 286 persons and policies attached to the intelligence, counterintelligence and security, and other intelligence-related issues that were in the portfolio of the assistant defense secretary for command, control, communications and intelligence, once the Pentagon's top intelligence official.
Mr. Wolfowitz said the new office is in charge of "all intelligence and intelligence-related oversight and policy guidance functions" in the office of the secretary of defense.
Mr. Cambone, a protege of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld who has little intelligence experience, will have several deputies, including three charged with intelligence warning, war fighting and operations, and counterintelligence and security.
The key phrase of the implementing guidance memorandum relates to the office's power over other Pentagon intelligence agencies that in the past have resisted control by Pentagon policy-makers.
It states that the new undersecretary will "exercise authority, direction, and control over the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA), the National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), the National Security Agency (NSA), the Defense Security Service (DSS) and the DoD Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA)."
The undersecretary will be responsible to see that "these organizations ... have adequate acquisition-management structures and processes in place to deliver intelligence programs on time and within budget."
The job of whipping the Pentagon intelligence bureaucracy into shape is formidable. Pentagon intelligence agencies consume the lion's share of the amount spent on intelligence overall, estimated to be about $35 billion annually.
Additionally, the memorandum states that the Pentagon's chief information officer has been given a new title — assistant defense secretary for networks and information integration — and will report directly to the secretary of defense, an unusual arrangement because most assistants report to an undersecretary."
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Looks like the same-old, same-old neocon crew. Just which one do I find more credible? Ha!
Now, if I can find that on Google in two seconds, why can't Congressional committees do the same research?
This bunch, every last single one of them, have GOT to go!
Just checked Google for Cambone and found the following at An Economist Against Empire from a May 2003 comment:
"Who is this Stephen Cambone? Washington Times reporters Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough recently wrote the following (strangely the original page with this article has disappeared; I recovered this from the Google cache):
Stephen Cambone has assumed sweeping power over the Pentagon's intelligence bureaucracy as the new undersecretary of defense for intelligence.
We obtained a copy of a May 8 memorandum from Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz setting up the new office. It states that the office takes over all 286 persons and policies attached to the intelligence, counterintelligence and security, and other intelligence-related issues that were in the portfolio of the assistant defense secretary for command, control, communications and intelligence, once the Pentagon's top intelligence official.
Mr. Wolfowitz said the new office is in charge of "all intelligence and intelligence-related oversight and policy guidance functions" in the office of the secretary of defense.
Mr. Cambone, a protege of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld who has little intelligence experience, will have several deputies, including three charged with intelligence warning, war fighting and operations, and counterintelligence and security.
The key phrase of the implementing guidance memorandum relates to the office's power over other Pentagon intelligence agencies that in the past have resisted control by Pentagon policy-makers.
It states that the new undersecretary will "exercise authority, direction, and control over the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA), the National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), the National Security Agency (NSA), the Defense Security Service (DSS) and the DoD Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA)."
The undersecretary will be responsible to see that "these organizations ... have adequate acquisition-management structures and processes in place to deliver intelligence programs on time and within budget."
The job of whipping the Pentagon intelligence bureaucracy into shape is formidable. Pentagon intelligence agencies consume the lion's share of the amount spent on intelligence overall, estimated to be about $35 billion annually.
Additionally, the memorandum states that the Pentagon's chief information officer has been given a new title — assistant defense secretary for networks and information integration — and will report directly to the secretary of defense, an unusual arrangement because most assistants report to an undersecretary."
****
Looks like the same-old, same-old neocon crew. Just which one do I find more credible? Ha!
Now, if I can find that on Google in two seconds, why can't Congressional committees do the same research?
This bunch, every last single one of them, have GOT to go!
http://www.politics.ie/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4936
It has been reported that a number of General Election candidates who failed to get elected to the Dail where Electronic voting was trailed, are planning to sue the Irish Government. This follows the indefinite postponement of the roll out of Ireland's electronic voting system for the Local and European Elections in June, which was slammed by the Electronic Voting Commission as insecure, and error ridden.
Many of the failed candidates lost out by only a few votes, but it has since emerged that the NEDAP electronic voting system lost approximately 2.4% of all votes cast. Also a number of ballot modules were corrupted and the integrate of the votes cast could not be verified. Sinn Fein have suggested that one of their candidates has consulted their legal team, with the view to seeking compensation in light of the flawed electronic voting system being shelved. Microsoft Access was used to count the votes, yet was found to be completely inadequate for the task.
The closed source electronic voting system had been widely criticised by IT experts and academics alike, although the Government refused to listen to their technical concerns, instead spending over EUR50 million on an insecure and buggy system. IT experts such as Irish Citizens for Trustworthy Evoting were written off by Minister Cullen, responsible for the evoting system, as anti-globalisation Luddites. All Irish opposition party's were also united in their call for an open source, voter verifiable electronic voting system, which is based on formal methods, and open to public scrutiny. This lead eventually to the system being shelved.
It has been reported that a number of General Election candidates who failed to get elected to the Dail where Electronic voting was trailed, are planning to sue the Irish Government. This follows the indefinite postponement of the roll out of Ireland's electronic voting system for the Local and European Elections in June, which was slammed by the Electronic Voting Commission as insecure, and error ridden.
Many of the failed candidates lost out by only a few votes, but it has since emerged that the NEDAP electronic voting system lost approximately 2.4% of all votes cast. Also a number of ballot modules were corrupted and the integrate of the votes cast could not be verified. Sinn Fein have suggested that one of their candidates has consulted their legal team, with the view to seeking compensation in light of the flawed electronic voting system being shelved. Microsoft Access was used to count the votes, yet was found to be completely inadequate for the task.
The closed source electronic voting system had been widely criticised by IT experts and academics alike, although the Government refused to listen to their technical concerns, instead spending over EUR50 million on an insecure and buggy system. IT experts such as Irish Citizens for Trustworthy Evoting were written off by Minister Cullen, responsible for the evoting system, as anti-globalisation Luddites. All Irish opposition party's were also united in their call for an open source, voter verifiable electronic voting system, which is based on formal methods, and open to public scrutiny. This lead eventually to the system being shelved.
And you make me laugh when I most need it! ;^}
You missed my wanting to drop out of law school...probably a good thing!
from "The New Pearl Harbor" pg 127, 8
CIA Director George Tenet wanted authorization and funding for a plan to expand covert operations around the world. Called "Wordlwide Attack Matrix,"
Tenet's plan, Bob Woodward has reported, "described covert operations in 80 countries that were either underway or that he was now recommending." At a meeting at Camp David four days after 9/11, Tenet received authorization. Shortly afterwards, (points out Meyssan), "the agencies funding was increased by 42 percent to successfully carry out the 'Worldwide Attack Matrix.'"
CIA Director George Tenet wanted authorization and funding for a plan to expand covert operations around the world. Called "Wordlwide Attack Matrix,"
Tenet's plan, Bob Woodward has reported, "described covert operations in 80 countries that were either underway or that he was now recommending." At a meeting at Camp David four days after 9/11, Tenet received authorization. Shortly afterwards, (points out Meyssan), "the agencies funding was increased by 42 percent to successfully carry out the 'Worldwide Attack Matrix.'"
Morning Katie! Good nite everyone else: too much election last night for me, fading fast here. Loves. . .
Nite puddleriver!
Mornin' Katie!
Night shift is kinda confusing on the today/tomorrow evening/morning transitions.
Mornin' Katie!
Night shift is kinda confusing on the today/tomorrow evening/morning transitions.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 03:09 AM
Yeah this class is really kicking my a**. And to top it off, Natalie was supposed to do the outline for the class (exam on friday) and she is still not done! Sh got upset when I started to do my own...how am I supposed to study when I don't have an outline?!?! I am never deviding outlines up again!
Luckily I am almost done with it....but still....
Yeah this class is really kicking my a**. And to top it off, Natalie was supposed to do the outline for the class (exam on friday) and she is still not done! Sh got upset when I started to do my own...how am I supposed to study when I don't have an outline?!?! I am never deviding outlines up again!
Luckily I am almost done with it....but still....
Posted by Oscar In Louisville at May 13, 2004 03:15 AM
Well, Oscar, never fear, I have insomnia and will be up for a while. In other words, I'll stay on the night shift for a bit!
Well, Oscar, never fear, I have insomnia and will be up for a while. In other words, I'll stay on the night shift for a bit!
Posted by Page in Albuquerque 2.0 at May 13, 2004 03:18 AM
That just made me sooooo much happier!!!!
That just made me sooooo much happier!!!!
Angie, I want that on a T-shirt. Badly.
I lived in Seattle for 8 years and got sooooo sick of the Micro$ofties. All they talk about at parties is stock options or how cool their new Porsche is.
I lived in Seattle for 8 years and got sooooo sick of the Micro$ofties. All they talk about at parties is stock options or how cool their new Porsche is.
Posted by Oscar In Louisville at May 13, 2004 03:15 AM
Yeah, this is my morning. Page's night time.
Yeah, this is my morning. Page's night time.
Posted by Page in Albuquerque 2.0 at May 13, 2004 03:22 AM
A tee shirt would be cool! Ya know, he's the richest man in the country, why doesn't he give me some money to pay for my tution?? The Charity of Angie is really hurting!!!
A tee shirt would be cool! Ya know, he's the richest man in the country, why doesn't he give me some money to pay for my tution?? The Charity of Angie is really hurting!!!
Posted by Page in Albuquerque 2.0 at May 13, 2004 03:22 AM
Yeah, but look at him. LOL. That picture is great.
Yeah, but look at him. LOL. That picture is great.
Hey, the Bill Gates t-shirt idea is really something we NEED.
Who would make one? Who has the cafepress shop that would handle this?
I once saw a bumpersticker that said "Microsoul", in the Microsoft logo font.
That just made my day.
So, anyway, let's see if we can get t-shirts!
Who would make one? Who has the cafepress shop that would handle this?
I once saw a bumpersticker that said "Microsoul", in the Microsoft logo font.
That just made my day.
So, anyway, let's see if we can get t-shirts!
I want nothing written on the t-shirt, just the mugshot. It says everything.
Yea Dean Dozen! Here I am at 230am local time listening to the upteenth dozenth car alarm go off tonight...sigh New Orleans, but alas the light is breaking through I am getting out of New Orleans! Yea! You would never guess where I am going though...no Kim not DC well not yet anyway still waiting on responces to the apps I have sent out... My mom took a job in none other then ....Burlington VT (of all the gin joints in all the world...)and I am going with...
anyway, its still raining and we still have flash flood warnings until 7am I think and alas I must get some sleep for work tomarrow...sigh
anyway, its still raining and we still have flash flood warnings until 7am I think and alas I must get some sleep for work tomarrow...sigh
Page I'll make a shirt....Give me 5 minutes then I'll have a link
Puddleriver 2:36: We seem to be on the same wavelength. This is what I have been typing on the side for the blog. And yes, speaking up for women’s, racial minorities’, and gays’ rights is an enormous struggle, even in NYC. Nonetheless, as much as I joke about Canada if Bush gets re-elected, I am planning to stick around to fight if this happens. Here’s my post (and my swatch for Ann is really ugly, by the way; I should stay away from sewing):
Angie 2:13, 1st of all, you should be studying, and you know it!
Second, viewing death depends on the individual. I saw the execution from a site that cherishes this sort of thing. I don't know where to begin on this issue. To each their own, and I'm pretty liberal as far as "the dark arts" (I like Da Vinci, Baudelaire, Nine Inch Nails, etc,) but this was a new low for me. I couldn't click on the site's links because I knew I would feel sick (and I'm pretty intrepid) and it crossed my sense of right and wrong. Because of censorship (the CNN link still isn’t working; it could be my computer, though), I had to stoop this low to see the lowest.
I have to keep in mind that what I saw was through the internet. I don't know what my reaction would have been had I have been in that room. Would I have had the guts to fight back and save this man, who really seemed like he had no idea what was coming? I would like to think so, but I wasn't there. This is similar to the torture in Abu Ghraib. I would like to think of myself as some sort of heroine, but honestly, would I have had the courage to stand up against my orders (and yes, I do believe there were orders, and Sanchez and co. should be investigated much more thoroughly). I think I would have, as I sit in the comfort of my apartment. And no, I'm not justifying anything here; I'm just thinking out loud.
Instead of hiding behind a mantle of supposed holiness, the United States should push past its Puritan roots and seriously start to question itself. What we have done is not as disgraceful, perhaps, but "as" is a flimsy word.
We live in a culture that is slipping very quickly into Brave New World. Dissention is necessary in a democracy, and the demand for "shiny, happy people" should not be the next amendment to the constitution. We need to express our dissention, as trivial as it may seem.
On that note, good night, sort of.
Angie 2:13, 1st of all, you should be studying, and you know it!
Second, viewing death depends on the individual. I saw the execution from a site that cherishes this sort of thing. I don't know where to begin on this issue. To each their own, and I'm pretty liberal as far as "the dark arts" (I like Da Vinci, Baudelaire, Nine Inch Nails, etc,) but this was a new low for me. I couldn't click on the site's links because I knew I would feel sick (and I'm pretty intrepid) and it crossed my sense of right and wrong. Because of censorship (the CNN link still isn’t working; it could be my computer, though), I had to stoop this low to see the lowest.
I have to keep in mind that what I saw was through the internet. I don't know what my reaction would have been had I have been in that room. Would I have had the guts to fight back and save this man, who really seemed like he had no idea what was coming? I would like to think so, but I wasn't there. This is similar to the torture in Abu Ghraib. I would like to think of myself as some sort of heroine, but honestly, would I have had the courage to stand up against my orders (and yes, I do believe there were orders, and Sanchez and co. should be investigated much more thoroughly). I think I would have, as I sit in the comfort of my apartment. And no, I'm not justifying anything here; I'm just thinking out loud.
Instead of hiding behind a mantle of supposed holiness, the United States should push past its Puritan roots and seriously start to question itself. What we have done is not as disgraceful, perhaps, but "as" is a flimsy word.
We live in a culture that is slipping very quickly into Brave New World. Dissention is necessary in a democracy, and the demand for "shiny, happy people" should not be the next amendment to the constitution. We need to express our dissention, as trivial as it may seem.
On that note, good night, sort of.
Page,
What kind of shirt do you want?? Fitted, women's???
What kind of shirt do you want?? Fitted, women's???
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 03:36 AM
Fitted womens is fine.
Babydoll is good too!
YOU ROCK, girl! :-)
Fitted womens is fine.
Babydoll is good too!
YOU ROCK, girl! :-)
Katie:
BRILLIANT!!!
I love it!
Maybe make the picture a *tiny* bit bigger? Just a tiny bit...
I'll buy it as soon as it's ready. Got my credit card right here!
I want to get one for my brother too, and of course, for Frank (two tall guys).
BRILLIANT!!!
I love it!
Maybe make the picture a *tiny* bit bigger? Just a tiny bit...
I'll buy it as soon as it's ready. Got my credit card right here!
I want to get one for my brother too, and of course, for Frank (two tall guys).
(from Gov. Dean's blog)-- "Rob MacKenna for Hillsborough County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections. Rob is a computer programmer and is fighting to add a voter-verifiable paper trail to the touch-screen voting machines in the largest swing county in the all-important state of Florida! www.rob2004.com"
In Washington state, Andy Stephenson, candidate for Washington State Secretary of State, is insisting that we should accept only PAPER ballots, not just "paper trail" voting strategies. At our monthly 32nd Legislative District meeting in Shoreline, WA tonight, we passed a proposal to guarantee that paper ballots will be used. NO PAPER TRAIL VOTING! ONLY PAPER BALLOTS! Democracy demands it.
In Washington state, Andy Stephenson, candidate for Washington State Secretary of State, is insisting that we should accept only PAPER ballots, not just "paper trail" voting strategies. At our monthly 32nd Legislative District meeting in Shoreline, WA tonight, we passed a proposal to guarantee that paper ballots will be used. NO PAPER TRAIL VOTING! ONLY PAPER BALLOTS! Democracy demands it.
Katie, that's WONDERFUL.
Thank you!
I'll buy them right away.
This blog is so great! We share ideas, resources, etc., and find out ways to make Bill Gates look silly, which has been a priority of mine since the 90's!
You're too cool!
Thank you!
I'll buy them right away.
This blog is so great! We share ideas, resources, etc., and find out ways to make Bill Gates look silly, which has been a priority of mine since the 90's!
You're too cool!
"I am so impressed. This is very exciting to see DFA 2 taking shape..."
Tonight at our monthly legislative district meeting, our community DFA group presented our goals for a "Success by Six" - type of program for our state. We will be working the process from research to networking to educating the voters to getting legislation passed that will provide "birth to six-years of age" healthcare services and other important needs for families with young children.
Locally we have adopted an organization called "Tree House" in Seattle. It's for foster children who are a very needy group. We are finding our way...and getting excited about the next caucus where our national delegates will be elected.
Tonight at our monthly legislative district meeting, our community DFA group presented our goals for a "Success by Six" - type of program for our state. We will be working the process from research to networking to educating the voters to getting legislation passed that will provide "birth to six-years of age" healthcare services and other important needs for families with young children.
Locally we have adopted an organization called "Tree House"
Ooops, Katie, you said it's on a regular t-shirt as well?
I don't see that there.
Heh, I'm tired, and slow right now!
I don't see that there.
Heh, I'm tired, and slow right now!
Katie:
DUH. Nevermind, I found it!
Going to buy a few and head off to bed.
:-) have a good day!
DUH. Nevermind, I found it!
Going to buy a few and head off to bed.
:-) have a good day!
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 03:56 AM
Yes, it's my Friday, but tomorrow I am going "back home in Indiana" as Mike likes to say. (well, if the car is fixed)
Yes, it's my Friday, but tomorrow I am going "back home in Indiana" as Mike likes to say. (well, if the car is fixed)
Hi, Katie! Thanks ;-) love the Bill Gates shirt LOL
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 03:59 AM
Fun fun fun! What is he going to do if the car isn't fixed??
Oh yeah, I went to the website and it was perdy!
Fun fun fun! What is he going to do if the car isn't fixed??
Oh yeah, I went to the website and it was perdy!
If the car is not fixed then he'll have to watch from home, and probably complain to me for the next year or so about it.
I still think it all goes back to me putting the Kerry sticker on....I put it on, it breaks down the same day....LOL
I still think it all goes back to me putting the Kerry sticker on....I put it on, it breaks down the same day....LOL
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 04:11 AM
Ha!
If he complains, jsut remind him that it's n ot your fault that it broke down...although he probably wont' think that way....
Almost done with getting Con Law stuff together....the sooner the better, cuz then I can go to bed!!!!
Ha!
If he complains, jsut remind him that it's n ot your fault that it broke down...although he probably wont' think that way....
Almost done with getting Con Law stuff together....the sooner the better, cuz then I can go to bed!!!!
Angie,
Just sent you an email with a lovely story, you'll enjoy it. I totally forgot to tell you yesterday.
Just sent you an email with a lovely story, you'll enjoy it. I totally forgot to tell you yesterday.
I read it...that is so nice...did he get approved!?!?!
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 04:26 AM
Well, since he's the one that approves stuff like that.....
Well, since he's the one that approves stuff like that.....
Katie--
if you can, stream air america...they are replaying an earlier show and there are some FABULOUS commercials on it. One about Pat Buchanan and some other stuff...its funny.
if you can, stream air america...they are replaying an earlier show and there are some FABULOUS commercials on it. One about Pat Buchanan and some other stuff...its funny.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 04:33 AM
Heeheehee!!!
My birthday is coming up, hint hint hint
Heeheehee!!!
My birthday is coming up, hint hint hint
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 04:36 AM
JK Katie--
I want beer and lots of it for my birthday!
JK Katie--
I want beer and lots of it for my birthday!
Posted by jc - TakeYourCountryBack.com at May 13, 2004 04:39 AM
That's the company that is being sued by Gov. Arnold for making a bobblehead of him. We jsut did a story on it because they are in Ohio.
That's the company that is being sued by Gov. Arnold for making a bobblehead of him. We jsut did a story on it because they are in Ohio.
Katie--
So I am going through this stuff and I came across something...If you ever want to leave early bring this up:
"According to Muller v. Oregon (1908) women are a function of the role that they play in society. A state statute that requires that companies do not allow women to work more 10 hrs a day does not violate the right to contract provision of the Fourteenth Amendment. This is because the Court sees it as protecting women so that they can perserve the production of the race."
In other words, you have ovaries so you are not to work more than 10 hrs so that you can pop babies out.
So I am going through this stuff and I came across something...If you ever want to leave early bring this up:
"According to Muller v. Oregon (1908) women are a function of the role that they play in society. A state statute that requires that companies do not allow women to work more 10 hrs a day does not violate the right to contract provision of the Fourteenth Amendment. This is because the Court sees it as protecting women so that they can perserve the production of the race."
In other words, you have ovaries so you are not to work more than 10 hrs so that you can pop babies out.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 04:42 AM
No way! That is soooo cool! I want to go to Cheli's Chili when I am home to see if I can meet him!
No way! That is soooo cool! I want to go to Cheli's Chili when I am home to see if I can meet him!
Posted by Angie in Minnesota at May 13, 2004 04:46 AM
I should show that to my boss. That's hilarious!
I showed you the pen as a joke. Do you actually want one?
I should show that to my boss. That's hilarious!
I showed you the pen as a joke. Do you actually want one?
Daniel Perl's wife was denied 911 benefits because he did not die in the proper manner...Okay, he died because there was this travesty and he went over there to do a story, so what is the right way to die?? I can't believe this country!!!
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 05:10 AM
What would I do with it??? I already have too much stuff...but it is pretty cool! Doesn't loook like him tho
What would I do with it??? I already have too much stuff...but it is pretty cool! Doesn't loook like him tho
WASHINGTON (AP) - Barbra Streisand and Neil Diamond, who crooned
the 1978 hit "You Don't Bring Me Flowers," will sing for John
Kerry and the Democrats next month as a star-studded list of
entertainers perform at two fund-raising concerts in New York and
Los Angeles.
Streisand and Diamond will perform together for the first time
in 24 years at the Los Angeles concert, the Democrats said. The
concert also will feature country singer Willie Nelson and comedian
Billy Crystal, a frequent host of the Academy Awards program.
New York's lineup includes comedians Robin Williams and Whoopi
Goldberg, and singers Bette Midler, Jon Bon Jovi, James Taylor,
John Mellencamp and Wyclef Jean.
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I bet Gov. Dean will be happy to see Wyclef Jean.
the 1978 hit "You Don't Bring Me Flowers," will sing for John
Kerry and the Democrats next month as a star-studded list of
entertainers perform at two fund-raising concerts in New York and
Los Angeles.
Streisand and Diamond will perform together for the first time
in 24 years at the Los Angeles concert, the Democrats said. The
concert also will feature country singer Willie Nelson and comedian
Billy Crystal, a frequent host of the Academy Awards program.
New York's lineup includes comedians Robin Williams and Whoopi
Goldberg, and singers Bette Midler, Jon Bon Jovi, James Taylor,
John Mellencamp and Wyclef Jean.
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I bet Gov. Dean will be happy to see Wyclef Jean.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 05:14 AM
OOOHHHOHHHOOOOHHHHH!! Let's go!!!!! That song is the bomb!!!
OOOHHHOHHHOOOOHHHHH!! Let's go!!!!! That song is the bomb!!!
Just kidding!!!!
If its not sweet caroline, then its not cool...(that is for Neil) and Babs sucks
If its not sweet caroline, then its not cool...(that is for Neil) and Babs sucks
Here's an odd story:
WASHINGTON (AP) - After three months and millions of dollars in
negative ads, Americans describing Democrat John Kerry in one word
no longer choose "honest." The word remains the most cited for
President Bush even as "incompetent" has gained ground.
A poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
released Wednesday shows a wide range of word choices by those
questioned for the national survey. The poll did not attach
comparable values to the words offered in response to the question,
"What one word best describes your impression" of Bush or Kerry.
In the center's February survey, 18 percent chose "honest" to
describe Kerry, but no one used that word in the May survey. The
words "good," "hopeful" and "okay" totaled nearly 21 percent
of the responses for Kerry in the new poll.
For Bush, "honest" was the choice of 11 percent in the earlier
poll and 9 percent in the latest survey. The president, described
by 4 percent as "incompetent" in February, was tagged with that
word by 8 percent in May. He was judged "honest," good" or
"leader" by 26 percent in the new poll.
On the negative side, according to the new poll, Kerry was
referred to as "liar," "dishonest" or "idiot" by 12 percent.
Nearly 10 percent used either "idiot," "stupid" or "liar" to
describe Bush.
The differences in word choices show many people have a less
favorable view of both candidates, said Andrew Kohut, director of
the Pew Research Center.
"They're using fewer positive words to describe Kerry," Kohut
said. "The criticisms of Bush are less often about being dishonest
... now more people are mentioning incompetence."
Other results in the Pew survey show a slight majority, 51
percent, say the U.S. military effort in Iraq is not going well,
the first time more than half have taken a negative view in that
poll. Still, 53 percent believe troops should stay in Iraq until a
stable government is established, but 40 percent said the United
States should bring troops home as soon as possible.
"Frustration is mounting with the way things are going in
Iraq," Kohut said. "But a majority is hanging in there with
keeping the troops in Iraq."
The Pew poll found Bush's overall job approval at 44 percent.
The Pew poll of 1,800 adults was taken May 3-9 and has a margin
of error of plus of minus 2.5 percentage points. The margin for
registered voters is slightly higher.
WASHINGTON (AP) - After three months and millions of dollars in
negative ads, Americans describing Democrat John Kerry in one word
no longer choose "honest." The word remains the most cited for
President Bush even as "incompetent" has gained ground.
A poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
released Wednesday shows a wide range of word choices by those
questioned for the national survey. The poll did not attach
comparable values to the words offered in response to the question,
"What one word best describes your impression" of Bush or Kerry.
In the center's February survey, 18 percent chose "honest" to
describe Kerry, but no one used that word in the May survey. The
words "good," "hopeful" and "okay" totaled nearly 21 percent
of the responses for Kerry in the new poll.
For Bush, "honest" was the choice of 11 percent in the earlier
poll and 9 percent in the latest survey. The president, described
by 4 percent as "incompetent" in February, was tagged with that
word by 8 percent in May. He was judged "honest," good" or
"leader" by 26 percent in the new poll.
On the negative side, according to the new poll, Kerry was
referred to as "liar," "dishonest" or "idiot" by 12 percent.
Nearly 10 percent used either "idiot," "stupid" or "liar" to
describe Bush.
The differences in word choices show many people have a less
favorable view of both candidates, said Andrew Kohut, director of
the Pew Research Center.
"They're using fewer positive words to describe Kerry," Kohut
said. "The criticisms of Bush are less often about being dishonest
... now more people are mentioning incompetence."
Other results in the Pew survey show a slight majority, 51
percent, say the U.S. military effort in Iraq is not going well,
the first time more than half have taken a negative view in that
poll. Still, 53 percent believe troops should stay in Iraq until a
stable government is established, but 40 percent said the United
States should bring troops home as soon as possible.
"Frustration is mounting with the way things are going in
Iraq," Kohut said. "But a majority is hanging in there with
keeping the troops in Iraq."
The Pew poll found Bush's overall job approval at 44 percent.
The Pew poll of 1,800 adults was taken May 3-9 and has a margin
of error of plus of minus 2.5 percentage points. The margin for
registered voters is slightly higher.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 05:17 AM
I think the reason that many people aren't critizing the Prez is because he is the Prez. I mean, you say anything bad about him and Tim freaks...says he's the Prez and you have to wait till he is out of power before you critize. I think that a lot of people have that same view. It is sad. It shows the weekness in the American public.
I need to find a job so that I don't think about this stuff all the time....
I think the reason that many people aren't critizing the Prez is because he is the Prez. I mean, you say anything bad about him and Tim freaks...says he's the Prez and you have to wait till he is out of power before you critize. I think that a lot of people have that same view. It is sad. It shows the weekness in the American public.
I need to find a job so that I don't think about this stuff all the time....
"We care about the detainees being treated right. We care about soldiers behaving right. We are about command systems working," he added.
I don't believe him....He's just covering up for something that he didn't want to get out.
I don't believe him....He's just covering up for something that he didn't want to get out.
So, Rumsfeld just arrived in Iraq on a surprse visit. I think that it's too little too late.
I saw that the GOP leaders don't want anymore prisoner abuse photos released because the soldiers are on trial. I can see that reason. The photos are evidence. I can also see that they are afraid of more retaliation against the US troops there. But, could it be that they don't want the American people to see them because Pres. Bush's approval rating hit it's all-time low of 44% yesterday?
Yesterday one of the trolls said something about the US must have a victory in Iraq. Which, it stuck in my mind all day. What would be a victory, because there are so many different opinions that I have seen.
My opinion of victory in Iraq is a stable Democratic state. A country that has control over it's own natural resources to help stabalize, and fund their economy.
But, what it looks like what "victory" will be called is that we turn over control on June 30th and then just help to police the country.
Unfortunetely, now that Iraq has become unstable terrorist have moved into the country. We have told the Iraqi citizens that we are there to free them from Saddam Hussein, but after his capture are they really better off? You could argue that they will have a Democracy, but how long will that really take to establish? It won't be a Democracy on June 30th. It takes more than voting rights to say a country is a Democracy, doesn't it?
This whole war was suppose to be for the Iraqi people. Give them freedom, Democracy and Liberty. But, a lot of people that I talk to don't have sympathy for any of the Iraqi people. They don't even care about the Iraqi people.
The sad thing is the people I see are disgusted by the pictures, disgusted with the video of Nick Berg's execution, but they more interested in who won "Survivor" and who got booted off of "American Idol". It's scary to hear how they were so excited to vote for American Idol, and when the person they voted for lost they were upset.
Well, for me I am that excited about voting, but for President, and I am going to make sure that the person that I vote for doesn't get booted. This "show" is for real.
Sorry for the rant there. I just had a few things on my mind.
I saw that the GOP leaders don't want anymore prisoner abuse photos released because the soldiers are on trial. I can see that reason. The photos are evidence. I can also see that they are afraid of more retaliation against the US troops there. But, could it be that they don't want the American people to see them because Pres. Bush's approval rating hit it's all-time low of 44% yesterday?
Yesterday one of the trolls said something about the US must have a victory in Iraq. Which, it stuck in my mind all day. What would be a victory, because there are so many different opinions that I have seen.
My opinion of victory in Iraq is a stable Democratic state. A country that has control over it's own natural resources to help stabalize, and fund their economy.
But, what it looks like what "victory" will be called is that we turn over control on June 30th and then just help to police the country.
Unfortunetely, now that Iraq has become unstable terrorist have moved into the country. We have told the Iraqi citizens that we are there to free them from Saddam Hussein, but after his capture are they really better off? You could argue that they will have a Democracy, but how long will that really take to establish? It won't be a Democracy on June 30th. It takes more than voting rights to say a country is a Democracy, doesn't it?
This whole war was suppose to be for the Iraqi people. Give them freedom, Democracy and Liberty. But, a lot of people that I talk to don't have sympathy for any of the Iraqi people. They don't even care about the Iraqi people.
The sad thing is the people I see are disgusted by the pictures, disgusted with the video of Nick Berg's execution, but they more interested in who won "Survivor" and who got booted off of "American Idol". It's scary to hear how they were so excited to vote for American Idol, and when the person they voted for lost they were upset.
Well, for me I am that excited about voting, but for President, and I am going to make sure that the person that I vote for doesn't get booted. This "show" is for real.
Sorry for the rant there. I just had a few things on my mind.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 05:53 AM
The people who care more about Survivor and American Idol have small brains. It scares me that the fate of the world (essentially) is in the next election and those people are going to have a say in the PResident...
The people who care more about Survivor and American Idol have small brains. It scares me that the fate of the world (essentially) is in the next election and those people are going to have a say in the PResident...
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I jsut lost Air America!
OK off to watch the Daily Show! Jon Stewart is my god. Night all~~
Posted by Throoper at May 12, 2004 10:49 PM
The BEST news show EVER. Last night was one of the best I've seen them do too. (the one at six) I haven't seen the late one yet. What a relief that show is in these nutty times.
Posted by Throoper at May 12, 2004 10:49 PM
The BEST news show EVER. Last night was one of the best I've seen them do too. (the one at six) I haven't seen the late one yet. What a relief that show is in these nutty times.
For future lists, don't forget to add State Senator Tim Carpenter -- http://carpenter4congress.com -- who is running for the Fourth Congressional seat in Milwaukee.
Tim was one of the handful of state legislators who had the courage and intelligence to come out for Dean early on. My family had a great time with Tim and the Governor when we sat down for a traditional Milwaukee Friday night fish fry at Serb Hall on the south side.
His views slap up directly on everything we believe in.
Tim will be the only DfA candidate in the pack of nominee candidates, and has been endorsed by the Milwaukee for Democracy group.
Tim was one of the handful of state legislators who had the courage and intelligence to come out for Dean early on. My family had a great time with Tim and the Governor when we sat down for a traditional Milwaukee Friday night fish fry at Serb Hall on the south side.
His views slap up directly on everything we believe in.
Tim will be the only DfA candidate in the pack of nominee candidates, and has been endorsed by the Milwaukee for Democracy group.
Angie:About dropping out of law school--
forget it. Everybody -- well almost everybody --
feels that way around finals time, at least in
the first year, and maybe the second. For me
it was tax law that pushed me nearly over
the edge. But I stuck it out and have never
regretted it. Law opens up lots of options
and has made it possible for me to follow
my heart(in environmental work). Hang in
there.
forget it. Everybody -- well almost everybody --
feels that way around finals time, at least in
the first year, and maybe the second. For me
it was tax law that pushed me nearly over
the edge. But I stuck it out and have never
regretted it. Law opens up lots of options
and has made it possible for me to follow
my heart(in environmental work). Hang in
there.
Posted by Malia at May 13, 2004 06:10 AM
Oh I am still goin at it. COn Law is just soooo crazy! There is so much ambiguity. Hopefully, the exam will be okay....eeekkkk!!!
Oh I am still goin at it. COn Law is just soooo crazy! There is so much ambiguity. Hopefully, the exam will be okay....eeekkkk!!!
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 06:22 AM
I am almost done. I am not tired yet...I didn't get up till about noon yesterday, so, its all good. If my roommate would have done the outline like she said she was going to, I wouldn't be up this late!
Raycom station....hmmmm....stupid bad journalism...
I am almost done. I am not tired yet...I didn't get up till about noon yesterday, so, its all good. If my roommate would have done the outline like she said she was going to, I wouldn't be up this late!
Raycom station....hmmmm....stupid bad journalism...
Alright...I am finally off to bed! Time to get sleep so that I can get up and go over stuff for my exam on Friday!
Re Stephen Cambone
The neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century writes a ?blueprint? for the ?creation of a ?global Pax Americana? ? (see also June 3, 1997). The document, titled, Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century, was written for the Bush team even before the 2000 Presidential election. It was commissioned by future Vice President Cheney, future Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, future Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Florida Governor and President Bush's brother Jeb Bush, and future Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby. The report calls itself a ?blueprint for maintaining global US preeminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests.? The plan shows that the Bush team intended to take military control of Persian Gulf oil whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power and should retain control of the region even if there is no threat. It says: ?The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.?
The report calls for the control of space through a new ?US Space Forces,? the political control of the internet, the subversion of any growth in political power of even close allies, and advocates ?regime change? in China, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran and other countries.
It also mentions that ?advanced forms of biological warfare that can ?target? specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.? (see also Spring 2001 and April 2001 (D)). [Sunday Herald, 9/7/02 Sources: Rebuilding America's Defenses] However, the report complains that these changes are likely to take a long time, ?absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event?like a new Pearl Harbor.? [Los Angeles Times, 1/12/03]
In an NBC interview at about the same time, Vice Presidential candidate Cheney defends Bush Jr.'s position of maintaining Clinton's policy not to attack Iraq because the US should not act as though ?we were an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world, taking down governments.? [Washington Post, 1/12/02] This report and the Project for the New American Century generally are mostly ignored until a few weeks before the start of the Iraq war (see February-March 20, 2003).
People and organizations involved: Abram Shulsky, Robert Martinage, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, James Lasswell, Mark Lagon, Phil Meilinger, Robert Killebrew, William Kristol, Mackubin Owens, Steve Rosen, Gary Schmitt, Robert Kagan, Barry Watts, Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers, Fred Kagan, Donald Kagan, Dan Goure, William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby, Thomas Donnelly, David Epstein, David Fautua, Jeb Bush, Devon Gaffney Cross, Stephen Cambone, Eliot A. Cohen, Roger Barnett, Alvin Bernstein
The neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century writes a ?blueprint? for the ?creation of a ?global Pax Americana? ? (see also June 3, 1997). The document, titled, Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century, was written for the Bush team even before the 2000 Presidential election. It was commissioned by future Vice President Cheney, future Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, future Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Florida Governor and President Bush's brother Jeb Bush, and future Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby. The report calls itself a ?blueprint for maintaining global US preeminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests.? The plan shows that the Bush team intended to take military control of Persian Gulf oil whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power and should retain control of the region even if there is no threat. It says: ?The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.?
The report calls for the control of space through a new ?US Space Forces,? the political control of the internet, the subversion of any growth in political power of even close allies, and advocates ?regime change? in China, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran and other countries.
It also mentions that ?advanced forms of biological warfare that can ?target? specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.? (see also Spring 2001 and April 2001 (D)). [Sunday Herald, 9/7/02 Sources: Rebuilding America's Defenses] However, the report complains that these changes are likely to take a long time, ?absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event?like a new Pearl Harbor.? [Los Angeles Times, 1/12/03]
In an NBC interview at about the same time, Vice Presidential candidate Cheney defends Bush Jr.'s position of maintaining Clinton's policy not to attack Iraq because the US should not act as though ?we were an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world, taking down governments.? [Washington Post, 1/12/02] This report and the Project for the New American Century generally are mostly ignored until a few weeks before the start of the Iraq war (see February-March 20, 2003).
People and organizations involved: Abram Shulsky, Robert Martinage, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, James Lasswell, Mark Lagon, Phil Meilinger, Robert Killebrew, William Kristol, Mackubin Owens, Steve Rosen, Gary Schmitt, Robert Kagan, Barry Watts, Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers, Fred Kagan, Donald Kagan, Dan Goure, William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby, Thomas Donnelly, David Epstein, David Fautua, Jeb Bush, Devon Gaffney Cross, Stephen Cambone, Eliot A. Cohen, Roger Barnett, Alvin Bernstein
Thank you for the list of candidates Gov.Dean. I have been waiting for such a list and will certainly send money to these people. Could we have bats for each one!
Where is the Dean Fest and when? I read about it long ago but lost it. Seems it's in two weeks... where do I get info? thanks-
Posted by harriette at May 13, 2004 07:38 AM
Check out jjem!'s post on the last thread from 7:52PM, it has all of the details
Check out jjem!'s post on the last thread from 7:52PM, it has all of the details
The video of Rumsfeld in Iraq will be coming up on various news stations within the next couple of minutes if you want to see.
Made my first donation to one of the Dean dozen. More to come.
I guess Rumsfeld said that he wants to the photos to be released to the public, but government lawyers argue that releasing them could violate the Geneva Convention.
DeanFest is July 24 & 25 in Central Massachusetts (the exact site may be announced in the next couple days after permit approval).
AND, we are going to have Bloggers Breakfast 2.0 there on Sunday Morning July 25.
Two things you can do now to help the Bloggers Breakfast:
1. Make a donation to help with the costs (use Paypal and donate to BloggerBreakfast@aol.com, and
2. Join our organizing committee. If you want to help us write me at BloggerBreakfast@aol.com
AND, we are going to have Bloggers Breakfast 2.0 there on Sunday Morning July 25.
Two things you can do now to help the Bloggers Breakfast:
1. Make a donation to help with the costs (use Paypal and donate to BloggerBreakfast@aol.com, and
2. Join our organizing committee. If you want to help us write me at BloggerBreakfast@aol.com
"This whole war was suppose to be for the Iraqi people. Give them freedom, Democracy and Liberty. But, a lot of people that I talk to don't have sympathy for any of the Iraqi people. They don't even care about the Iraqi people."
Er, ah katie, thats twice I have heard that today and I believe you are in error.
The initial reason we invaded Iraq was because it was thought that Iraq and saddam had wmds and posed an imminent threat to this nation(right).
The baloney about liberating the Iraqi people came after the fact....you are correct though, the average American could care less about the Iraq people..I mean, they didnt when the country was under economic sanctions by us.
Personally, Americans dont have the stomach or patience to go liberating the masses of the world..or the money if you ask me.....I can name 50 countries that need liberating right now....do you really think we want to spend the next 50 years doing that sort of thing? Meanwhile our economy is on life support, we are detested the world over and again you are correct..the average young person today is more pissed off that Latoya got booted off American Idol last night, as opposed to atrocities committed by American troops in Iraq and the heinus act of beheading that American guy.
Er, ah katie, thats twice I have heard that today and I believe you are in error.
The initial reason we invaded Iraq was because it was thought that Iraq and saddam had wmds and posed an imminent threat to this nation(right).
The baloney about liberating the Iraqi people came after the fact....you are correct though, the average American could care less about the Iraq people..I mean, they didnt when the country was under economic sanctions by us.
Personally, Americans dont have the stomach or patience to go liberating the masses of the world..or the money if you ask me.....I can name 50 countries that need liberating right now....do you really think we want to spend the next 50 years doing that sort of thing? Meanwhile our economy is on life support, we are detested the world over and again you are correct..the average young person today is more pissed off that Latoya got booted off American Idol last night, as opposed to atrocities committed by American troops in Iraq and the heinus act of beheading that American guy.
I need your help responding too a Bush supporter who is distributing an email condemming Kerry for talking out against outsourcing and then having jobs leave the county:
"According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean."
I know I read somewhere that he and his wife are not involved in those businesses.
Can anyone help me defend him? I really hate being in this position but I certainly don't want Bush for another 4 years!
Thanks
"According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean."
I know I read somewhere that he and his wife are not involved in those businesses.
Can anyone help me defend him? I really hate being in this position but I certainly don't want Bush for another 4 years!
Thanks
Posted by Mike in Raleigh NC at May 13, 2004 08:14 AM
You're right. I was speaking more of the reason that we are there now, so I mis-spoke. I'm sorry.
You're right. I was speaking more of the reason that we are there now, so I mis-spoke. I'm sorry.
Hooray! I was SO happy to see this announcement in my email inbox! My birthday is coming up and I'm going to ask people intending to give me gifts to give someone on this list $$$ instead.
So who are the Kagans who helped author the Project for a new American Century? A father and two sons-----
http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/02_04/kagan.html
On the morning of September 11, Donald Kagan, the Hillhouse Professor of Classics and History, was eating breakfast at home in Hamden when his wife Myrna, a retired school teacher who had been watching the news, suddenly raced into the kitchen.
"Like everyone else, my first reaction was horror and confusion, and when it became clear what it was all about, I was angry," says Kagan, an expert on the history of warfare who has taught at Yale since 1969.
But he was not surprised.
Two years ago, in a provocative book titled While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today (St. Martin's Press, 2000), Kagan and his son and coauthor Frederick '91, '95PhD, a professor of history at West Point, issued a stern warning about this country's vulnerability. (Kagan's other son, Robert '80, is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C.)
"America is in danger," the Kagans wrote. "Unless its leaders change their national security policy, the peace and safety its power and influence have ensured since the end of the Cold War will disappear."
In their eerily prescient assessment, the Kagans explained that the United States in the 1990s and the current decade was in many ways chillingly similar to Great Britain after the First World War. Two earlier works -- While England Slept, by Winston Churchill, and Why England Slept, by John F. Kennedy -- had examined the implications of Great Britain's failure to play the role of peacekeeper in the 1920s and 1930s. The failure, Churchill and Kennedy argued, led to the Second World War. Don Kagan expressed the fear that this country was on the same and, in his view, avoidable path.
"If there was one word we meant to communicate in our book it was worry," says Kagan. "People might think of us as alarmists, but we think there's something to be alarmed about. The peace does not keep itself, and though it may be intellectually unfashionable to say so, the world needs a policeman."
http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/02_04/kagan.html
On the morning of September 11, Donald Kagan, the Hillhouse Professor of Classics and History, was eating breakfast at home in Hamden when his wife Myrna, a retired school teacher who had been watching the news, suddenly raced into the kitchen.
"Like everyone else, my first reaction was horror and confusion, and when it became clear what it was all about, I was angry," says Kagan, an expert on the history of warfare who has taught at Yale since 1969.
But he was not surprised.
Two years ago, in a provocative book titled While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today (St. Martin's Press, 2000), Kagan and his son and coauthor Frederick '91, '95PhD, a professor of history at West Point, issued a stern warning about this country's vulnerability. (Kagan's other son, Robert '80, is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C.)
"America is in danger," the Kagans wrote. "Unless its leaders change their national security policy, the peace and safety its power and influence have ensured since the end of the Cold War will disappear."
In their eerily prescient assessment, the Kagans explained that the United States in the 1990s and the current decade was in many ways chillingly similar to Great Britain after the First World War. Two earlier works -- While England Slept, by Winston Churchill, and Why England Slept, by John F. Kennedy -- had examined the implications of Great Britain's failure to play the role of peacekeeper in the 1920s and 1930s. The failure, Churchill and Kennedy argued, led to the Second World War. Don Kagan expressed the fear that this country was on the same and, in his view, avoidable path.
"If there was one word we meant to communicate in our book it was worry," says Kagan. "People might think of us as alarmists, but we think there's something to be alarmed about. The peace does not keep itself, and though it may be intellectually unfashionable to say so, the world needs a policeman."
A quick thought or two on statements made by many Americans about Iraqis, Al Qaida or Arabs in general "hiding behind masks" are cowards...
Lets not rule out that perhaps this is part of the Arab mindset and tradition....concealing ones identity goes back ages ago.....also in our American West bandits often did the same thing...recall the movie "scarecrow" from the early 1960s, a Walt Disney clasic, about Irish insurectionists rebeling against the British..these guys wore scarecrow masks.....
And I am not sure about cowardice.....I mean, launching a cruise misile from a ship 700 miles away, or dropping smart bombs froma stealth aircraft 6 miles up seems to me on a parallel with wearing a mask......lets be reasonable......
I am not an expert in Middle eastern traditions, but perhaps these hoods or masks, each one differant, have some sort of symbolic meaning..note how each one is differant.
Lets not rule out that perhaps this is part of the Arab mindset and tradition....concealing ones identity goes back ages ago.....also in our American West bandits often did the same thing...recall the movie "scarecrow" from the early 1960s, a Walt Disney clasic, about Irish insurectionists rebeling against the British..these guys wore scarecrow masks.....
And I am not sure about cowardice.....I mean, launching a cruise misile from a ship 700 miles away, or dropping smart bombs froma stealth aircraft 6 miles up seems to me on a parallel with wearing a mask......lets be reasonable......
I am not an expert in Middle eastern traditions, but perhaps these hoods or masks, each one differant, have some sort of symbolic meaning..note how each one is differant.
You're right. I was speaking more of the reason that we are there now, so I mis-spoke. I'm sorry.
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 08:31 AM
Katie,
No apologoies needed here mate....it IS interesting though, listening,reading and talking with my fellow Americans how many have distorted,twisted, or just plain forgot why we went into Iraq.......
The liberation thing always bugged me, I mean, we never heard any great poublic outcry from Iraqis to come and rescue them from Saddam....
Posted by Katie Thomsen at May 13, 2004 08:31 AM
Katie,
No apologoies needed here mate....it IS interesting though, listening,reading and talking with my fellow Americans how many have distorted,twisted, or just plain forgot why we went into Iraq.......
The liberation thing always bugged me, I mean, we never heard any great poublic outcry from Iraqis to come and rescue them from Saddam....
" the peace and safety its power and influence have ensured since the end of the Cold War will disappear."
I guess that means that the people who have died in Central and South America, Africa and the Middle East don't count. What peace and safety is he talking about?
I guess that means that the people who have died in Central and South America, Africa and the Middle East don't count. What peace and safety is he talking about?
Just so you won't think I'm off topic. My point is that it is going to take a lot more than one man in the White House to change out the people who have hijacked our democracy.
Posted by Mike in Raleigh NC at May 13, 2004 08:42 AM
Mike,
I know they don't want us there. I guess I am one of the few that feels we owe something to them after we tore apart their country.
I guess that's why I thought that Iraqi torture photos were so horrible. We took Saddam out of power because he was thought to have WMD, and tortured his people. So, we go in capture Saddam, and we torture his people. Meanwhile our President took military funds and put it into a fund to make WMD.
What are we doing?
Mike,
I know they don't want us there. I guess I am one of the few that feels we owe something to them after we tore apart their country.
I guess that's why I thought that Iraqi torture photos were so horrible. We took Saddam out of power because he was thought to have WMD, and tortured his people. So, we go in capture Saddam, and we torture his people. Meanwhile our President took military funds and put it into a fund to make WMD.
What are we doing?
Hey, Unfiltered on Air America just announced National Healthcare Week and said they were going to be speaking with HOWARD DEAN!!!
Popeye 2.0, thank you, that is just what I needed!
Guess who the first Deanie Baby was to call for support in Obama's race for Senate? Yep, that's right, it was me, almost a year ago in fact. Do I know how to pick em or what?
Hi Everybody,
I've been at Blogaholics Anonymous meetings since the Minnesota primary and have even stopped watching 24 hour news constantly.
Figured my family needed some more time - especially since we've become Foster (Adoption in waiting) parents to a beautiful 6 week old girl!!!
Nice to see some of the old-Deaniacs still here and a lot of new names.
I'M THRILLED that Lori Saldana is part of the Dean Dozen!
Oh yes,
"Feed the Goal, Not the Troll"
I've been at Blogaholics Anonymous meetings since the Minnesota primary and have even stopped watching 24 hour news constantly.
Figured my family needed some more time - especially since we've become Foster (Adoption in waiting) parents to a beautiful 6 week old girl!!!
Nice to see some of the old-Deaniacs still here and a lot of new names.
I'M THRILLED that Lori Saldana is part of the Dean Dozen!
Oh yes,
"Feed the Goal, Not the Troll"
My only question is, how do we find out where all these candidates stand on ALL the issues? They all supposedly had to submit to a review process. How do we know their positions?
GO! GO! OUR DEAN DOZEN!
GO! GO! OUR GLORIOUS DOZEN!
WE NEED YOU! TO TAKE "THEM" DOWN AND TAKE "OUR COUNTRY" BACK!
GO DEAN!
GO DFA!
GO! GO! OUR GLORIOUS DOZEN!
WE NEED YOU! TO TAKE "THEM" DOWN AND TAKE "OUR COUNTRY" BACK!
GO DEAN!
GO DFA!
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