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CSPAN is broadcasting live from a caucus in Iowa. Watch on TV or click here to follow the action online.We're watching here in Manchester, and Zephyr tells me in Iowa the feeling is of intense gratitude to you-- who made all of this possible. You brought us to this point, and it has been a struggle-- coming from an asterisk is the polls to the moment we're at now.
And this moment is just the beginning. At 2 am the Governor will land in Portsmouth for a welcoming rally here in New Hampshire, and tomorrow we'll all be up early again (if we go to bed at all-- a dubious proposition) to hit the ground running to win the Granite State.
Contribute what you can tonight to give us the resources we need to win. The struggle continues after tonight-- indeed, tonight is only the beginning. Reach out to everyone you know and ask them to join us. Tonight we're taking the first step-- to take our country back, and to restore a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Onward!
Go CSpan!!!
All MSNBC can come up with is a guy on a cell phone.. because they say what CSpan is doing is against the rules...
Dean is 44th?
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we know we aren't going to win Iowa.
The results are pretty crappy right now
@ 16%.
PAINFUL...wait til he loses NH...and the nomination!
So glad I get to vote, and don't have to deal with this stuff in my state.
Howard needs to say, "I can beat George W. Bush, and here are the TEN reasons why."
Howard needs to say that the only chance of beating Bush is by "changing minds" and "waking people up." Do any of the other candidates have the creativity, the guts, or the momentum to go out and claim that our country has been asleep, hypnotized, lulled by big media date rape drugs into accepting a shameful and ultimately damning war? Howard can take that same moral certitude into TEN other aspects of the Bush travesty, and even if he doesn't win the nomination, at least he'll have done what he has already done, which has been to wake up a few of us.
Will someone tell Madam Co-captain in District 20 to open up her body language. (Oh God, I'm back seat driving a caucus two gazillion miles away.)
Also, raise the stakes for the K-man, offer him two delegates. One here, one somewhere else.
Come on Iowa!! Take over those caucuses!!
Dean is losing quite well on his own...with the help of Mrs. Fugly and his BIG MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody got some serious splain'n to do.
Some of the other threads won't let you see new comments since the last time you posted, unless you post again (which is why I keep posting "test").
HELP!?
I hope the other precincts are not similar.
You can't beat Bush by NOT fighting him!
What the heck went wrong???
All of you Anti-War Fagmos need to head over to the EU so you can whine with the frogs...
To the second poster above... So, you just graduated from the second grade, eh? Congratulations.
I will try to post some pics of the Caucus weekend...more later.
Bill Monroe
Too strange. Give me a one-vote/one-person primary any day.
...and too bad if you work nights, or you're away on business. You're left out of the system.
(A ParrotHead for Dean)
Can people be this stupid????
Tonight we gonna get a lot of trolls here. Things seem bad until now, BUT ONCE AGAIN. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINING!! THIS CAMPAIGN IS MUCH MORE THAN TONIGHT! AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN NH! WE ARE IN FRONT IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY!
Will be easy? NO WAY! But we knew that already!
YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!
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Howard Dean beats Gephardt and thats all we need. Let's go to New Hampshire, let's win in AZ and NM.
Come on guys, don't go looking at other campaigns, the real deal is right here. It always has been and it always will be.
Stay put, write letters and let's WIN!
Ha Ha - Looks like that Rogue Warrior guy was right all along! You guys suck!
DEAN IS A COMMUNIST....NOVAK IS RIGHT
Definintely, you have left no stone unturned. You have put forth a valient effort. Sleep!Thank you all.
Why are all the Kucinich folks going over to Edwards? What the hell?
You want play-by-play? CSPAN is showing people milling around, arguing with each other, trying to sway opinions, all sorts of attempts at horse-trading, looks like everybody is doing it.
I have to say, it looks like chaos. Heckuva a system we have here.
BUT DEAN WILL WIN NONETHELESS!
LOST
Next....just wait til NH
LOST
Oh Yeah...hang tough people...it's HONORABLE to stick with a loser...just like strapping a bomb to yourself and going to Starbucks....
WAKE UP
Just checking in... can't read the new posts without making a post... WTF Headquarters???!
expect the same to happen in Hew Hamphire. Clark and Kerry will pass dean. Dean is over!
John Kerry couldn't inspire me to tie my shoes.
I'm tired of the camera following the Gephardt girl
ROFLMAO!!!!! TOO TRUE...College Veggie PETA PUKES!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah for viability :) I am really finding watching this interesting.
Telling the one Lieberman supporter and the Kucinich reporters that Geppy had exact same stances as both of them
On CSPAN..apparently we have two delegates
I am watching the Caucus on CSPAN 2, it is a disorganized mess. The people can't get phone calls out due to Bush callers blockingthe line - they are having trouble with the math - and it looks like bedlam!!!! For a person from Texas this looks like madness. People trying to do math and they can't get figures to balance. The are getting cut off. Maybe it is just tht I am not used to it, but this looks like a nightmare!!!!!
Viable means..... Dean got over 15%? BobbyO, I could use some words of wisdom. :)
I know deep in my heart that Howard Dean is the strongest candidate to challenge our dishonest current president, George Bush. And that's what scares me.
And that's why I post here, because no other blog allows me to be my true trollish-self.
Please ignore my posts.
10% of precints reporting, HD and Gep trailing. Too bad they can't get together a la Kucinich and Edwards because HD won't "play the political game". I suppose he won't work with Clark, who has spent the last couple of weeks in New Hampshire, either.
Dean's losing in the entrance polls -- a major disappointment, since I was hoping Bush would crush him in November. For both the sake of your campaign and the interests of America, I hope your misfit campaign can pull it together.
What is with those TEETH!!!!!!
Remember people- Dean IS viable in the long haul. We have the organization and fundraising and a very committed grassroots campaign.
Many candidates have lost Iowa and gone on to win the nomination. Many candidates have won Iowa and gone on to lose the nomination.
Some candidates will drop out after Iowa- but not our good doctor.
We will move on to NH, regardless of the outcome in Iowa.
Personally, I am suprised to see Edwards and Kerry winning so much support, but Iowa is a conservative midwestern state.
Geppy- it appears is not going to beat Dean regardless. So if Dean finishes with a respectable 3rd place- I say we did good.
Edwards is killing Dean among women in exit polling. Kerry mopping up with Dean among first time caucus attendees. Na na na na . . . hey heeeey . . . goodbye . . . Time for you Deaniacs to find a new cult. May I recommend Scientology? They might be just weird enough to let you in.
Hmm....Ive been watching the Iowa caucuses on cspan.......regardless of the results....this is pretty stupid if you ask me........
Agree completley about the whole Iraq thing being a disaster obviously. I Blame Blair as much as Bush however. Would America have gone if Britain hadn't gone with them to allow them the diplomatic and political cover of a major ally? Possibly not. We should certainly get to vote in the US election though since blair surrendered our foreign policy to the white house squatters!
This whole election thing on C-Span is absolutley crazy / chaos. basically it seems that the person with the loudest most bullying spokesperson gets to win if its close at all.
I realize that due to an unfortunate choice of names on the part of your parents that you have the mistaken idea that it's ok to refer to people by perceived bodily attributes. It's not. And we don't.
If you want to talk issues, let's talk.
The Beltway Democrats circled the wagons against Dean. They would rather lose the election than lose power. Third party, anyone?
Wow, never seen anything like this.
I'm hoping that if Dean doesn't win, that Edwards finishes first, because if Kerry wins, I think he's going to get a huge bump in New Hampshire. We can still win NH, but we need things to fall out right tonight win or lose
The Dean spokesperson on CSPAN is my hero. I LOVE her.
Yes, Wilderworks, "trolls" on this inane message board are despicable, particularly when compared to Moveon.org, which sees fit to offend millions with its invocation of Hitler. Right.
It is no secret that the other Dems have had a stop Dean strategy for a long time. Iowa is just the first state. Primary states won't be as easy to manipulate
Keep in mind.. most results coming in right now are from places with smaller caucuses (rural areas). I'm wondering how strong Dean is in the cities..
Dean is the only candidate with a spine. Watch for it.
watching c-span, the dean group is the most polite, nicest group of folks. the gephardt folks are just kinda sad, the edwards folks are obnoxious, and the kerries are cloistered. the dean people are nice! they applauded people who came into the room saying they were kucinich people. APPLAUDED them. dean people are so great.
Before our eyes, we are watching the death of Dean, Gore, Harkin, Bradley, and Braun.
With pathetic losers like Shiela Jackson, J. Carter, and CMBraum....wtf do you expect?????
media is giving it to Kerry, without Labor backing or any real endorsements?
What's with these people?
Only two presidents have won in Iowa..
Carter
George W Bush
We are fine..we have a 50 state strategy..chill out and enjoy the messy democracy
The Tea is in the Harbor
Dump King George
The Gephardt Girl is tough and makes me love politics because of the likes of her. You go Girl! The Kucinich people are standing for their principles.
I'm really not liking the caucus process. It seems to me that alot of people would be intimidated to participate or stand their ground on their candidate. Also, on the c-span coverage, I haven't seen any obviously disabled people. The caucus system bothers me because I think it disenfranchises those who have physical disabilities or mental such as anxiety or panic disorders who couldn't handle this forum.
This is the craziest, most inane process I have ever witnessed in my whole life. What a circle jerk.
If you've seen any of the Kerry speeches over the past few days you'll see him promise people anything for their vote. I've had enough of this washington establishment. Come on Iowa. See the light.
Stop picking on Dr. Judy Steinberg Dean. I love how people pick on women for their looks....
Dean was ahead nationwide...expect a different story tomorrow. A recent story on CNN just mentioned dean peaked and people are now looking for a real electable leader...and dean is not the man. People are just tired of dean!!!!!
love the really stoned sounding guy in the black hat whose for Kucinich. He seems fairly determined to take Gephardt down!!
Why are these people at this caucus insisting on caucusing for Kucinich? You'd think they'd come over to Dean after the first vote
None of out guys are trying to grab other people....Campaign for the other people!!!!!!!!
I forgot Gore...Man...he almost stole the election in 2000....now he wants to steal it for Dean and his HOs CMB and SJL
Very very very weird. I am used to primaries.
Do you want me to make it 11 times very early or should I wait and call Burlington first?
Ignore these pathetic losers.
Anything you've seen about exit polls, "viability", etc, are MEANINGLESS. We are going to do fine tonight. Hold your horses, and wait for the real results.
And ignore the losers from other campaigns and the repugs that are so incredibly pathetic that they have nothing better to do than come here to try and sow discord.
Keep your cool, folks, it's stil early.
Sorry folks but no way in hell...I will stick with Dean to the very end ...but I refuse to back another Gray Davis.
I hope you will read this letter and allow me to share my heart with you. My reason for supporting Howard Dean is not a political one; it is a matter of the heart. My husband, Charles, and I want a President that we believe has a heart for our nation and for democracy. We want all children to have health insurance and an opportunity to enjoy good health.
Having survived cancer, health insurance is a big concern of mine. Until I have been cancer-free for 5 years, individual health insurance coverage for me is extremely expensive. Charles simply couldn't continue to work as a self-employed consultant and still afford insurance coverage for me. Instead, he had to take a lower-paying permanent position with a company that would provide us with health insurance through a group health plan.
We believe the issue of health insurance is a Christian one and that democracy with a heart is not socialism or liberalism, unless liberalism is being defined as liberal with love. We have never been interested in politics till disease and joblessness hit our home. We believe the government is in the deep pockets of the rich and needs to be pulled back out. True Democracy is an ideal that will never be completely achieved, but it is the standard that our government should be measured against. I believe that Howard Dean is the candidate that is most likely to bring closer to that ideal.
This is scary ... I had hoped that by bringing thousands of Deaniacs into Iowa, we could sway the caucus system ... yet it is clear that people don't think Dean can beat Bush ... and yes, if Kerry wins here, Dean will lose to both Clark and Kerry in New Hampshire ... this is very bad
SIGH!!!.. the Kucinich guy thinks he can convince the Gphardt people to make Kucinich viable since they're still not
However, it looks bad when Al Gore, Tom Harkin, and almost everyone else has endoresed Dean to come in 3rd or worse in Iowa! The media are the real dogs on Dean!
Unfortunately, the Perfect Storm looks to have not materialized for us there. On to New Hampshire!
This caucus procedure is nuts. Nobody seems to know what they are doing.
So, now that the Democrats, driven by the DLC and the party machine, have pushed HD out of the picture, how about if we all go over to the Nader site and support him. At least then you can be sure you're voting for somebody who won't change his mind every five minutes.
Which is more than I can say about the democratic wounded war hero vietnam vet morphs into bin laden ads that the RNC ran in 2002.
I think I know what is happening. One Kerry guy in Adair said already made cuts in Social Security and Medicare. I think the Kerry folks have been calling and out and out lying to the voters who are too uniformed to know a complete fabrication when they hear it. I think Dean needs to expose the Kerry lies, quickly.
I'll tell ya what happened. The gigantic smear campaign against Dean by the corporate media, the Washington Dems, and the GOP seem to be having an impact in Iowa. It's not over yet, but if the people of Iowa have been gullible enough to swallow all of the false and negative attacks on Dean, that is really disappointing. I thought they took their politics seriously and didn't like negative atttacks. On to New Hampshire!
This is the Lord telling you to stop smearing the other candidates on concentrate on your own campaign.
-john
They just showed a woman coming out of the Gephardt room, who had been for Dean but went in there to help Gephardt be viable. She said Gephardt didn't make it so he's out in the second round of voting. Where will all the Gephardt people go?
wow, a bunch of trolls tonight. man, they must be real cowards, since they don't bother posting their real addresses. they're the scum of the earth, really, since they can't even stand up for what they say. but it's up to people like us to make sure that they still have a voice, since democracy needs a voice to survive, and since they would be too cowardly to fight for it on their own.
i'm not watching the coverage, but on the official iowa dem count, only 300 of 2,000 precints had reported. 300 of 2,000. remember that time in florida when we all thought gore, then bush, then gore, then bush, then gore won? and then how the supreme court stepped in and decided bush should be preznit? it's sort of like that right now. so just chill out...
if reading the blogs are stressing you out, go to www.dailykos.com and check out the story about john. it's something to keep in mind. all the best,
sleepless.
What troubles me about Dean are not the things the media has chastised him on (i.e. the confederate flag "flop" which, in my opinion, was one of the BEST points Dean had been making throughout the last year), but the way Dean has wasted so much time playing defense against the other candidates. This guy was unstopable a couple months ago but he seemed to change course as soon as he became the obvious frontrunner. To me, it's a classic case of becoming so afraid to lose that you stop trying to win.
Although I absolutely HATED when John Edwards pointed his finger at Dean and told him "we don't want people like you coming down and telling us how to live blah blah" I always thought Edwards had great ideas and was one of the least negative candidates. His being from the South is also a plus when it comes to beating GWB in November. I can't believe I'm saying this, but if Edwards pulls off the comeback win tonight, I may lean towards supporting him unless Dean recaptures the fire he had months ago.
On a different note, isn't it time we do away with this stupid primary/caucus schedule and just have a one-day nation wide primary election??? Politics is already full of games and a long primary process like this just makes it more of a game--and a costly one at that.
I'm still hoping for those Dean vs. Bush debates in the Fall, I'm just not sure if it's possible anymore.
Dave
Better luck with Kerry as you guys
Have you been saying that the ground game isn't
as important as people have said?
It's one race. It's not even over. Steel yourselves. We could come out fourth, and make no mistake, we are MORE than viable...
Guess Dean has to go back to MRS FUGLY and leave the ghetto booty of Carol Mosely and Shiela Jackson behind...no pun intended....Robert KKK Byrd must be furious!!!
I agree with what you just said about Howard Dean being the only candidate that can beat George Bush. I voted for Al Gore but let's face it,even with all his experience in Washington and the tremendous state of the nation couldn't fight the Neo Con machine. No way can any of the other candidates stand up to that. Either everyone is afraid or there are a ton of republicans crashing the caucusus to stop Dean. I think Kerry and Edwards are nice guys but they won't be Bush. We got to fight for New Hampshire, Fight for Arizona, South Carolina, We can't give up because there is no alternative.
why is this even legal?
Thanks for confirming that Iowa lacks the sophistication of Detroit, Venetian! I'll let you live there, and I'll let the heartland win the election for Bush. Salud!
Regardless of the result of Iowa, we will WIN because we are most energized and organized. THIS EXPERIENCE WILL MAKE US STRONGER AND WISER. FIGHT BACK AND WIN!
Dean - 2
Kerry -3
Edwards -2
From this one caucus site with seven whole delegates!!!!
Clearly leading to conflicts between close friends as well. surely a secret ballot would a) make more sense and b) be a lot easier to organise.
The news media has been bashing Dean Hard for the last three weeks! Everyone else has had glowing coverage. None of them has been tested by the news coverage. I am absolutely appalled at what they have done to the Governor.
How many signle parents can't find a baby sitter.
There's a reason we use a secret and quick ballot for presidential elections. Get with the program Iowa.
Dean's been peaking for the last two years, much to the chagrin of establishment politicians.
Well Geppy, earned his pension from Karl Rove.
I don't know if it's too late to give advice to the Dean campaign, but if some of the sanctimonious disappeared, ordinary voters might gravitate to Dean's message.
Matthew in UK: New Hampshire is a primary system instead of a caucus. That'll be closer to what you suggest.
Now Dean supporters are attacking the caucus system, even though its structure FAVORS their type of campaign! If you think this is bad, wait until you see how bad Dean will get stomped in a conventional polling primary!
Watcing this caucus just proves HD right..who the hell wants to go stand around aome stuffy room with strangers yeling at ya, bartering,pestering....half the people there look like they cant count much less think......ridiculous way of coosing a candidate...foolish as well.....m, I go in knowing who I want..vote ..then Im home..instead ofthis bs
Howard Dean is by far the hottest candidate out there and the fact that he is a doctor makes him even hotter. He gets my vote on the hotness factor alone!
I have been a huge Dean supporter ever since March of 2003 when he stood against the war. However, the results in Iowa are sobbering. Dean, Trippi, and the gang have a lot of explaining to do. You can't lose Iowa with all of the support they had (i.e. Gore, Harkin, Unions, etc.). Whereas I was gung-ho about Dean, now I am not sure. If he can't beat Kerry in Iowa, he has no chance to beat Bush in Nov. Again, maybe it's time to hire some successful and experienced campaign managers to help with the coming primaries. Dean will be on life support after tonight, but must win NH.
I think that if the Geps aren't even viable, that's actually a bad thing, because those people are probably more likely to jump to Kerry Or Edwards than for Dean, since Dean and Gep have been at each others throats for a long time. Kerry is bo-ring. And Edwards saying the word "hooop" (hope?) bugs me almost as much as Shrub saying "nook-ya-ler."
Let's win big in NH. Bush's State of the Union will eat up two newsday cycles, and then it's time to take the granite state by storm and hope that Clark takes votes from Kerry and vice versa.
20% reporting, and we are getting flattened -- Kerry 36%, Edwards 32%, Dean 18%
not a good night
if you wouldn't mind changing your nick - I find it offensive. 88 is used by the neo-nazis as an abbreviation of 'Heil Hitler', as H is the eights letter in the alphabet. And you don't want to be associated with that crowd.
The mice are outraged and insist on an answer they can understand. "Deep Think" says it can not give the answer but gives the specifications for the penultimate computer . . . "Earth."
. . . and "Earth" is destroyed just before the answer is delivered.
The Iowa Caucuses remind me of the "Earth" of Scott Douglas . . . and I love it dearly.
Relax. The real reasults will come rolling in later. Until then, all the hand-wringing is, well, dumb.
Let's see what happens in the big precincts.
I thought we had a democracy here. This looks more like a third world country. I'm going to watch Larry King then go to bed and wait for the honest and meaningful primaries coming up.
Kerry would sound like Gore did in the debates. People would be turned of by his pompous affectations. Dean is the Real Deal...
I will not/cannot support anyone who was a member of the last Congress (except perhaps Kucinich who never had a chance).
If the DNC plans to do to Dean what Bushco did to McCain- I am voting third party in Nov.
You had your chance to choose reforming the Dem Party from within. If you blow it- as it appears you will- we Indies will force change from the outside.
Kucinich throwing his votes to the Pro-War , Patriot Act authoring Edwards was a slap in the face to everyone who supported him until today.
Guess he is no different from the rest.
Wow, this whole experience is so exhausting...but also exhilarating! DON'T LET THE TROLLS GET US DOWN, FELLOW DEANIACS! We stand for revitalizing democracy and restoring a sense of idealism, integrity, and COMMUNITY to America, and they stand for...well, playground insults and juvenile (and unwarranted, I might add) gloating. Dean still has a great shot at #1 or #2 -- and don't forget that Clinton came in FOURTH place in Iowa in 1992!!!! Keep the faith!!!!
Sure I hope Dean wins, but this caucus system is a complete mess, and leaves SO many people out of the system.
Closed primaries, all at one time, would seem to make the most sense.
(A ParrotHead for Dean)
Stay tuned, everyone.
I also second the emotion about Kerry's inspirational qualities (i.e. the lack thereof). As a Massachusetts resident, I'm grateful to be alive after 20 years of Kerry - I think he could easily lull one into a coma. And there's no hope for independent analysis of his Kerry's candidacy - on Saturday, a local NPR correspondent who I previously respected reported from Iowa that Kerry's performance had improved and noting that "even his hair looks better." I kid you not. Aargh.
Today is just one day. Howard will continue to give us hope.
I am about to join you :} LOL *chanting now*
I just dont get this Kerry thing
Edwards is running a Dean camapign so he cant really lose..but Kerry? Not seeing it
Hopefully the Geppy people will join with their Union brothers with Dean!
In a couple of thousand posts I've hinted at the "conversion". That combined with some dumb candidate statements has here today.
Thank God Gephardt is done, Edwards has to take a month off, and Kerry and Clark are about to enter a steel cage death match in NH.
Perhaps some of us who do this a little more regularly, especially those of us who worked for a guy named Clinton, need to have a little summitt up in Burlington to review what has happened.
LMAO -- the caucuses "disenfranchise" those who actually have jobs and aren't looking for entitlements, not Dean supporters!
It's the evil republican's fault that dean is getting hammered. No wait . . . it's the caucus system . . . No wait . . . it's the evil media! It has nothing to do with Deaniacs being a chanting horde of glassy-eyed weirdos! It has nothing to do with our candidate's frothing flip flops on every issue! It's everyone's fault but ours!!!!
Now they are having wine. - oops, before the wine they have to elect two members for the platform committee.
I know this is Democracy and that Democracy is by its nature messy, but geee!!! This is mud pie and spare ribs messy!!!
Only the smaller caucuses, like that house on CSpan 2 with 40 people, would have reported yet. The large caucuses in the bigger cities will come in late. Don't panic at the early numbers!
It's early. Relax. Dean will come on a surge later in the evening.
mikki88,
if you wouldn't mind changing your nick - I find it offensive. 88 is used by the neo-nazis as an abbreviation of 'Heil Hitler', as H is the eights letter in the alphabet. And you don't want to be associated with that crowd.
Posted by Chris at January 19, 2004 08:49 PM
"Why is this even legal?" Hahahahahahah! That's how it works, you dope. It's called POLITICS.
What a bunch of political nOObs!
If so, I will puke and give up hope for any intelligent life in our country....
Geppy people just got official ok to join with Edwards
One: it ain't over yet.
Two: remember that it is a good *night*. The world could turn upside down in eight days. Just ask Edwards--he went from nowhere to somewhere in a damned hurry. We can still take this thing in New Hampshire. But we have to put everything into it. *Now.*
Hang in everyone.
Man, Bush is gonna kill Kerry. Say goodbye to Democracy - America is now a facist state.
Geppy Chick is at Edwards camp--doesn't look too happy
It's the evil republican's fault that dean is getting hammered. No wait . . . it's the caucus system . . . No wait . . . it's the evil media! It has nothing to do with Deaniacs being a chanting horde of glassy-eyed weirdos! It has nothing to do with our candidate's frothing flip flops on every issue! It's everyone's fault but ours!!!!
I am getting really confused
Okay last count Dean 38 or 39
Edwards 43
on CSPAN
How does the most positive and exciting Democratic campaign in years end up fighting for our lives in Iowa?
This is horrible!
I will n ot support any other nominee. That's it, short and simple, and I am ready for New Hampshire!
ok we got this folks only the lttle towns in sofar
-john
Wow this looks really bad for Dean....let's hope other caucuses are different......
I wonder if rural or urban Iowa is more Dean friendly/ Anybody know anything about who leans what way. I would have assumed that this group of older americans on CSPAN 2 would not have all been for Dean. But they got 2 for Dean, 2 for Edwards and 3 for Kerry. Not too bad for the rural and older demographic.
Facist State that protects your sorry arse... Head over to Palestine if you don't like it!
Not sure what you mean by conversion though.
I'm actually pretty pissed off now...letting
such a lead slip away and getting stomped in
Iowa.
Kerry is such a bore ... and a petty arrogant
man. It amazes me people think he is worthy
of the job. Good senator but not inspiring
for president.
I'm pretty mad actually.
These are smaller, more rural caucuses, I'll bet. It's early still.
Charles in Al beautiful and well said thank you for sharing.
This is how they keep is "business as usual" in Washington.
Even with all that Dean still has a lot of people on his side.
Go DEAN
We're putting WAY too much emphasis on Iowa. The whole point of our letter writing campaign was to make a showing in a state dominated by Gephardt. It was thought a decent showing in Iowa would keep the campaign alive.
We've accomplished this. There are 50 other states out there. We have a nice lead in most of them. With all due respect to Iowans - they aren't the state that gets to annoint the next candidate. They're just the first step in a process that's going to last many more months.
Get some perspective. And ignore these trolls, bedtime is coming soon and tomorrow is a school day.
Kerry has to now be considered the favorite to win the nomination--don't forget his massive personal fortune either, which is now a factor.
I think Kerry will pick Edwards as his running mate--a Kerry/Edwards ticket would be geographically balanced and very hard to beat. I hate to say it, but Dean is toast.
Please consider the potential strength of a Clark-Kerry or Kerry-Clark ticket in achieving the ultimate goal we all share: sending George W. Bush back to Texas.
Should Howard Dean simply not have the media magic to win in Iowa, and should you be thinking of helping to end the race soon, I hope you will consider these two candidates.
All the Democrats have relatively similar positions. (Kerry and Clark are both particularly strong on the environment in comparison to all the others though -- even compared to Dean.) Kerry and Clark are also both decorated war heroes and can trounce W and Cheney on the Iraq issue.
God bless America!
Not still too late....
Damn, people. Did you think it WOULDN'T be a fight?
Get some positive ads up, never mind the attacks, and stage a hell of a fightback in New Hampshire.
Clean this garbage up
Only Dr. Dean has the $$$ and the backbone to continue the fight.
(A ParrotHead for Dean)
EXCUSE ME!! There is NO WAY Edwards can debate with Bush. Dean is the only man for that job. These people are driving me crazzzzyyy on CSPAN.
jimmy carter
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Iowa is soooooo different. No matter what the outcome here, win or lose, we can't take this as a representative state. It is too far "out there" to be representative. maybe I am just used to Texas primary system
This is the worst process I've ever seen....THIS is democracy??? If Dean looses....I'll be moveing to Canada....On the bright side...dean doeant need to win Iowa...Reagan didnt.
Well from the looks of the polls....we have lost Iowa which is frustrating because I feel like the media simply willed Kerry and Edwards to win. They have spent the last two weeks taking Dean apart. But, if we do lose, we can't give up hope. This is a fifty state campaign and we need to focus on New Hampshire and Febuary 3rd.
No cracking on Detroit unless you're from there. Try it again and I'll bite your knees off! ;)
That is still less than a third of all caucuses, and presumably not any of the big ones. Those numbers could change dramatically.
CNN is speculating that these early reports are from smaler rural caucuses - they seem to think the big cities and college towms having come in it.. It ain't over till Candy Crowley sings............
Kerry and Edwards in mid to upper 30s
D- at 18%
This is the beginning of the end of your campaign.
I don't mean to knock Iowans, but can't we do better than "I think I'll pick the really nice man." ???
Dean will be on Hardball tonight. Kerry expected to hurt Clark (according to Pat Cadell) in New Hampshire. ALSO, New Hampshire usually OVERTURNS Iowa. This is NOT over!!!
This is really interesting to watch. Although it does seem strange because say you are a supporter of candidate X and you feel bad leaving your group for candidate y. I don't think a person would feel as bad about switching if it wasn't a person to person. Anyway the psychological aspect is pretty fascinating.
I can't believe its over. We fought honorably, people. Lets be gracious in defeat.
But no, bash everyone and everything, that'll get you elected. We aren't Republicans. It doesn't work that way for us.
I have contributed to this campaign several times. I'm beginning to wonder why. It seems like everyone at the top of this campaign is hell bent on self destruction.
IF Geppy's giving the official okay for his people to join Edwards, Kerry could be in trouble.
I would like to thank you for a few things:
I would like to thank you for my phone ringing off the hook
I would like to thank you in advance for the words the Edwards people are going to throw at me tomorrow
I would also klike to thank you in advance for the absolute beating I, and a few other folks you know, are going to take on talk radio tomorrow
I want to thank you for the many insults I've taken here while obviously I was right all along
In summary, we need to have a chat. It will not be pleasant and should include other people who have stuck their necks out for you.
2nd to Gep would have been ok and understandable.
Third in this case is unnacceptable.
I'm quite concerned regarding tonight's caucus. The story that the press is pushing is that Kerry is going to win tonight and Edwards and Dean are fighting for second.
If we come out second, then there could be trouble. The press is looking for someway to kill this campaign. They will harp on this second place as a major loss due to the resources put into this.
However, the big story will be Edwards - even more so than Kerry. (I'm kind of torn not to be happy for Edwards since he was my original choice before I found Dean)
But, as it turns out, there is one loser here - Gephart is dead. A 4th place finish for him kills his campaign.
I hope things work out and Dean can pull off the win here. If not, we need to double our efforts to get NH.
regards!
Are they confused or stupid?
It's not over till it's over!
Let's stay focused.
We are better as the underdog...
and if worse comes to worse...
we'll be better as the 3rd party.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
I am totally digusted with the media/DNC/attacks on Gov. Dean. Fight. Rebel. Complain. Protest.
Dean 44!
LIVE FREE OR DIE....that's right....and BUSH did more than Bubba Clinton ever did...
People are jumping the gun. There are already talking heads on the radio saying that if Dean finishes a weak third in Iowa, that he should pull out of New Hampshire, because Kerry will probably win and if he doesn't, Clark will. That Dean should pull out of New Hampshire and put everything into Arizona and South Carolina. It will be interesting to see what the campaign does.
Dean is locked up with Edwards for second.
There'll be second life if he can manage second, but if Dean gets third, I don't see how he bounces back.
What a disaster.
Watching the Iowa caucus on C-Span for the first time has been educational, to say the least. I had NO idea how crazy that system is.
No offense to Iowa- but that caucus system does not resemble anything remotely democratic to me.
Chaos & coersion to keep your candidate "viable".
And what is up with the entrance polling on the networks (who said they would not do it because of technological ability to communicate the results to those inside the caucus)???
What ever happened to one person, one vote?
No wonder it is not a valid prediction of who wins the nomination.
No wonder so many people STAY HOME!
Thank goodness my state just holds a primary.
What a zoo!
The greatest grassroots movement in history is about to come to an end. Well folks, it's been a great 3 months.
Good bye. Don't leave the light on.
I am amazed that we have state predictions coming in from trolls based on the rural votes that are coming in first. The demographic is so different than urban. Stay tuned, things may turn in a bit.
Kerry will overtake Dean in NH as well.
The numbers up on MSNBC now, with 32% of precincts in: Kerry 37, Edwards 33, Dean 18. But the thing is that the top three candidates have 2,500 votes between them, of a projected **100,000+**. We have a LONG way go yet, people.
2.25 on cspan maybe this is just a really backwards district...kerry 5.81????? Old People suck
if you are really giving up on dean after two hours of caucausing, then please consider dean's rise from an asterisk to front runner. there's a lesson in that...think about it.
We are in this for the long haul. You haven't had a taste of us yet!
Talk about short memories. I guess all those caucus-goers forgot Edwards and Kerry's votes for the war.
If you think anybody on this blog will vote for your candidate...even if they get the nomination...after you have slammed our blog...you have got another thing coming.
Personally, if Dean doesn't win I will support a 3rd party candidate. I refuse to vote for Kerry, Edwards, Clark, etc. If that is the best that the Dems can do I they can keep them.
What happened? That's easy to figure, HD is a bad candidate: Wrong on too many issues, too many flip-flops and restatements, anti-everybody, angry image. Non-supportive wife. (Realistically, she's the only one in the campaign with any sense). Supporters can't even read his position papers. Lots of left-over 60's anti-war nutcases and spinsters in love with an idealistic image of the candidate.
Think this is bad? Wait until he gets to NH, which is Kerry territory... Too bad HD won't tie his cart to Gephardt and support a real Democrat.
Tonight's winner: Ralph Nader.
Are these the smaller precincts reporting. I read that many precincts are starting later to accomodate large turn out. I don't know where we enbd tonight but it sure aint 17%
These caucuses are nothing but one gigantic circus. No one seems to have any convictions at all with all of the flip-flopping. Is this any way to run a democracy?
The Bush trolls are in full force tonight! Compassion? Uniter? Man, I didn't there were so many Americans who hated Democracy. All the right-wing does is attack, attack, attack everyone - foreign or American. Why do they hate so much?
I will write in Howard Dean's name or vote green in the general election.
what's the site?
You may still win Iowa - probably will. But there's bigger fish to fry! More important thngs to do. Big kiss everyone. I'm going to bed. But will be up very early.
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