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Failed Conservative Values: Aris on Fear and Power
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I interviewed Aris Harmon about the failure of conservative values. He said conservatives can be very nice people but they try to maintain the status quo and are afraid of change. For this reason, their fear of change is easily manipulated by other conservatives, such as, Grover Norquists and Abramoff, whose sole value is power at any cost. He also sees the failure of critical thinking as the reason conservatives are so easily manipulated.
Failed Conservative Values: Aris Harmon on Fear and Power
My name is Aris Harmon. I live in East Palo Alto.
There’s a real disconnect, I think, between the values of the people who vote for conservatives, who identify themselves as conservatives, and many of them are very nice people. They are great neighbors. They are people whom you want in your community association.
But I think what those people value, I mean, they believe the way things were done, the way they grew up should be respected. But at the same time, because they are trying to defend that, it’s become very easy to frighten them that any new idea, anything that embraces somebody who looks a little different from them, who behaves a little different from them, it’s sort of a threat to the Republic.
And so we have sort of a different set of people who, as far as I can tell, the only thing they really value is power, and they’ve been very explicit about that, even. They’ve really talked about consolidated power for power’s sake -- the Grover Norquists, and the – I can’t think of his name. The one with the black hat who went to jail – Abramoff.
And those people have a value system that looks like every tin pot dictator in history, from Nero onward. And so I think really the failure is a failure of critical thinking and recognizing that just because somebody is other than you, that doesn’t make them the enemy. That they are not trying to destroy the sanctity of marriage.
Really, these people say “Oh, my gosh, they’re going to destroy the sanctity of marriage.” You know, two gay guys getting married and living in the house down the block, and you never even talk to them. I mean, is it affecting your marriage? It’s silly.
This sort of uncriticalness of it, where there was never any attention to the constraints imposed on them by the real world. So, when you have people who don’t believe in evolution, don’t believe in global warming, buy the idea that we can waltz into Iraq and they’ll be candy in the streets, and don’t stop to say “What is the history of Iraq, what are the cultures that are there that Saddam Hussein is repressing – the same as the Yugoslavian regime repressed the conflicts there.
There was really sort of these appalling – every time something bad happened in the Bush Administration “No one could have known”. And half the time, there was some big report in a magazine a month earlier. I mean Katrina, there had been a National Geographic special a year earlier about the impending destruction of New Orleans by a hurricane.
They are valuing power and sort of anything – it’s a similar thing what’s happened with Wall Street, where anything that’s short-term benefit to wealth, power, continuing whatever it is that benefits them right now.
And it’s like a two-year-old. You know – gobble up all those cookies right now and never mind the fact that you’ll be throwing up next week, or in an hour. It’s not so much a concrete thing for me. I mean I sort of see the progressive values as having a sense of wonder about the world. Of being interested and saying “the world is in fact stranger than we have imagined so far. Reality will always surprise, and you should be open to that. That’s okay. That the world is full of wonders”.
For the conservatives, it’s full of terrors. The conservatives see the world as this scary thing that they have to wall off at the borders. They see dragons to be afraid of, and we’re saying, “Why reptiles, that’s cool”.
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I found some old articles but the website is dead. BTW my name is my real name and it is pronouned Hay-seus. Someone on the other post made a crack that wasn't appreciated.
Welcome to our blog, Jesus.
Me thinks a certain Celtics fan from the last thread may be partying a wee too much when that remark was made.
btw, not ignoring your question, I for one don't know the answer.
Yup. The reason they vote against their best interests and everyone elses.
- RE: Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 8, 2008 10:27 PM
By Fred from Oregon on Jun 8, 2008 10:53 PM EDTIt's not because you treat is as a one-size-fits issue - people can love gays and still believe marriage should not be defined as a gay union.
The initiative is NOT to ban unions between gays. It is not banning "marriages" between gays either (if that's what you want to call it.)
It is an initiative to ban the official use of the word "marriage" to define gay unions, that gays can have the same kinds of legal unions as heteros, with the same legal rights, responsibilities, and priveleges. It imply gays need to find their own word (besides marriage) to define that union. That the definition of marriage stay the way it was alway was.
I may agree or disagree with the definitions issue, but giving that definition of a word an official status is a matter of democratic rule of law, not Constitution imposition.
Rights, priveleges, and discrimintation are a matter of Constitution. Change language and redefining established words (that historically were never intended to imply discrimination BTW) is NOT a Constitutional issue.
I don't know...
If The Oxford Dictionary is the rule, then when...
they make note of the common usage of "Gay Marriage," then the case is closed.
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LA 59 Boston 79
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I think I read it, but I am here now...for a short time ;-) It is 11:12 and (thank gosh for my puttin' an AC in da vwinder) the heat has induced a lot of lethargy in me....
If I just agreed with everything you said?
Kindness is dispensed to those who deserve it, I guess, and it'll cost you.
love is one of those words with many definitions, too. The Greeks had lots:
agape: deep affection or benevolence;
agapetos: beloved;
agapao: to love in a social or moral sense.
theleo: as in to love to do something.
philadelphia: fraternal affection - brotherly love.
phileo: to be a friend, to be fond of, personal attachment, somewhat physical;
philoteknos: maternal love;
philoxenos: love toward guests - hospitality
As for kindness, all deserve it, I strive to give it ~ freely. My apologies if you feel I've ever been anything but kind to you.
I know you can get emotional about some issues, but you are still one of my favorite bloggers.
I believe in living and let live. My big thing is honesty and openness. I believe in speaking my mind even if it means appearing to be a neocon to some people's interpretation.
I know what I am and I know how I feel about gay people, and I don't need to be a cheerleader [on every issue the gay political activist community decides to push] to prove to everyone that I am not a bigot.
The dictionary just denotes usage, ranging from universal use or cultist use, and often defines words used to discriminate as well.
hi fred
I agree with you but i think its not constitutional issue.
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- RE: By Thankful2Thankful4Dean on Jun 8, 2008 10:40 PM
By Fred from Oregon on Jun 8, 2008 11:07 PM EDTnice try
Obsfuscation with Darfur is unnecessary :-) Ah, but I'm not trying to impose my view on anyone, I've simply expressed it. And really Fred, when have I ever said anyone is a hater and bigot just because they have a different prespective than I?
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Well, now you make me get out the dictionary, darn! thankful.
I am not trying to obscure the issue, just showing how frivolous an issue it is, but one that may well have cost us the Presidency with coattails in many States, and those people in Darfur might well have been better off with a Democrat as commander-in-Chief.
Calling anyone opposed to redefining the word "marriage" to include gay unions a bigot is what has been said or implied here many times.
I'd just say they lack understanding of what the Constitution means, for some it is ignorance for others bigotry.
lol, it would have helped had I spelled correctly
Left a message for you on the last thread
Awesome. I'll be back in Chicago by the 24th at the latest ~ parade is the 29th. Hopefully we can get together. So glad your mom is doing well. Hugs.
I meant I'll be in Boston then, but you'll be back in Chicago. I may try to swing back to Chicago on my way back from Boston to check on mom.
gets a pass cause he is a star . and a rapist who pushed the girl into submission. I can't get that out of my mind. He gets the star treatment.
I hope he and they lose.
home court officiating helped a mite/ this should go seven
for another commentary from his documentary.
Must drift off here, too.
♥'s to all
Kindness is free!
What a difference that community has seen in recent years.
Thanks Aris and Edwin (why aren't you linked to SMCDFA??)
Mike wrote: "You Obamians are quite the cocky lot you know....................."
Mike, not all, but certainly most seem to be on this blog. LOL
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By puddle on Jun 8, 2008 9:03 PM
Indys *like* Obama, Sweetie. . . .
I'm an Indy and BO is my SIXTH choice for prez! Not exactly a bandwagon jump.
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S/O said yesterday:
"Remember, the #1 concern for Americans is not Iraq, not terrorism, it is the economy and other domestic concerns."
If that's true, we'll be in the ME for 100 years and the voters don't understand that we don't have money for domestic concerns UNLESS we end wars!!!! It also means that if the voters can be terrorized again, it will again be the number 1 issue. Never over-estimate the intelligence of the voters.
And if Hucklebee enters the picture,...well, he's very likeable while being totally crazy. Voters up till now gravitate towards likeable w/o caring much about emotional/mental health. They will vote who they are.
I'm with Mike. No cakewalk and a likely repug win, especially if Iran is bombed or we have another *incident* here. Never under-estimate the repugs.
If IRAN is bombed, the country will rally around the military nominee and that's why I want BO to start speaking out forcefully on stopping bush insanity. But I think it's way outta his hands. We are run by the MIC, corporate cartels and CMWs.
I'm planning on marrying my tea roses. :-)
Well in this day and age LOL is a non starter. You are like Linda in Nm. You dance all around who knows where and tell us in this country to laugh out loud.
No, lady.
Come back here and actually live the life. Gas prices out of sight. people giving up their cars and walking. People out of their homes in 100 degree heat. Get a life.
Kids who can't go to school cause they can't afford the bus.
So get a job and start doing something. You want Mcsame. Shame on you but I think you don't care.
Break a heel
and insightful in her posts.
her heart is one of love. thank you thank you.
tomorrow I will tell you of what my son said to me. I am a mother who I think made difference in my children , along with my husband.
chris and kim , I love you. You are my life and my heart. And Wayne, you are my friend and my life.
I'm an Indy and BO is my SIXTH choice for prez! Not exactly a bandwagon jump.
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My hunny's an Indy he likes Obama just *fine* ~~ also the stats say they like him, too. Better than McC, fer shur. Somehow, I don't think you're a good test-case, Sea, lol!
Sunday, June 08, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama’s bounce growing to an eight-point lead over John McCain. Obama now attracts 48% of the vote while McCain earns 40%.
When “leaners” are included, Obama leads 50% to 43%. On Tuesday, just before Obama clinched the nomination, the candidates were tied at 46% (see recent daily results). Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Obama a 94.7 <script type="text/javascript">contract_type = "rasmussen";contract_id = 68180;node_id = 7608 + "_" + 9221;new Ajax("/extension/ajax/intrade_lastprice.php", {data: 'contractID=' + contract_id + '&contract_type=' + contract_type,method: 'get',update: $('intrade_' + node_id)}).request();</script> % chance of winning.
Sunday, June 08, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama’s bounce growing to an eight-point lead over John McCain. Obama now attracts 48% of the vote while McCain earns 40%.
When “leaners” are included, Obama leads 50% to 43%. On Tuesday, just before Obama clinched the nomination, the candidates were tied at 46% (see recent daily results). Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Obama a 94.7 % chance of winning.
your mom raised a great kid! like mine, they have a purpose.
who are these people? are there "non hard working white people"? and where are they?
who are the rest? are there any "hard working black or hispanic people"?
who gets these people to vote.
I am a not so hard working retired white woman who jogs and runs a business cause it brings in money to pay the bills and my husband is a white multi hard working guy who likes to fish and move stuff around in his garage filled with crap but won't clean it out - what demo are we?
Give it a break.
Ever since the Reagan's welfare queen myth, the gerunds "working" or hard-working" seem to be part of every speechwriter's staple.
Today I heard tax cuts for the "working" poor, or was it health care for "working" Americans. I guess anyone who's at home raising kids, or disabled, or unable to compete in the tight job market, is less worthy than the "working" variety of the species.
Those of us who are old enough to remember the comedy Doby Gillis, remember Maynard G. Krebbs having something akin to an epileptic fit when he heard the word "work"
Sometimes I feel like Maynard.
- clean out the garage or go fishing/now there is a tough choice
By Phil Specht on Jun 9, 2008 1:42 AM EDTlindab: If you had ever clicked on my new website, you'd know that I'm trying to start a new business at my tender age. And I dare you to smart mouth Mike or Huron, whose views I share most of the time. The "break a heel" remark....wishing ill on s/o usually comes back to haunt.
puddle: My sense is that there are a lot of people who are not in love with BO, but, like me, will vote for him. I doubt I'm an anomaly. :-)
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- Howard's most first, all the time!
By puddle on Jun 8, 2008 8:05 PM EDT