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Failed Conservative Values: Jim Dean on Corruption
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"A government, for protecting business only, is but a carcass, and soon falls by its own corruption and decay." Amos Bronson Alcott
I interviewed Jim Dean, Chair of Democracy for America (DFA) at the Democratic Party Convention in San Jose, California. I asked Jim how conservative values have failed. He says current conservativism is like a despotic dictator and is about corruption, power and the rewarding of friends.
Failed Conservative Values: Jim Dean on Corruption
Edwin: If progressive values are about responsibility, what is the opposite? What is the value on the conservative side then?
Jim: Well, I’m not sure about that. I think the conservative -- or what is a conservative -- is going through a period of redefinition. I think that’s going to last awhile.
If we look at things that Barry Goldwater, and even William Simon stood for, what’s happened with that has changed dramatically. It’s not the party of Barry Goldwater and William Simon. It’s turned into the party of Manual Noriega, or whoever your favorite despotic dictator is.
You know, it’s very corrupt in the way that they operate. It’s all about power and rewarding their friends. It’s become something – even the free enterprise stuff – they talk about getting rid of government regulation, but what they are really doing is subsidizing very large businesses that in many respects aren’t competitive or don’t act in the national interest any more.
So there’s a lot of corruption of thought on that side. And I think it’s going to take a while for them to sort themselves out. I don’t think it’ll return to necessarily the total free market conservatism or even the values conservatism, because they found that both of those really don’t work in today’s society. But what that’s going to end up really looking like is something I don’t know yet.
Edwin: One question I’m having is have conservative values failed?
Jim: Well, I think they have, because they just don’t work in today’s society. I think a lot of this has to do with particularly the conservative religious folk who have really been trying to take over the political process, and, in fact, did succeed in many respects over the last eight years.
So, when they talk about a woman’s right to choose, equal rights for everybody, they tend to be on the wrong sides of those issues. And being on the wrong side of it doesn’t mean disagreeing with me, it means being for something that doesn’t work in today’s society.
To say that gay and lesbian people shouldn’t have the same rights as every other American simply doesn’t work in today’s society.
Edwin: What is the underlying value behind that?
Jim: I think the underlying value is their belief that his nation has some religious component to its politics. That means that their interpretation of the Bible is the way that all the rest of us are supposed to live.
And that’s not what we are. This nation was founded on tolerance. Tolerance for different people, for different religions, for different cultures. That’s why we became as great as we have, and why our democracy has really been the greatest civilization, or social experiment, as some have called it, in the history of this world.
But when you start getting rid of that in favor of your own ideology, whether it’s based on the Bible, the Koran or anything else, and start imposing it on everybody else, it doesn’t work in today’s life. And it’s not American either.
Progressive Values Metaphor: Jim Dean - Hybrid v Largest SUV
Edwin: If you created a metaphor for Progressive and Conservative Values, what would they be like?
Jim: Certainly some of the hybrid cars come to mind. Simply because they serve a lot of different purposes, not just being good on gas. They are enormously practical. They have a certain style to them, but again, they are driven by pragmatism, not ostentatious like “who has the biggest car on the block”- type culture.
I think they have what really appeals to Americans, since they have applied practical ideas as to how to run government and how to run the politics of this government. That’s the first thing that comes to mind. I’m not too good at word association, but certainly, it’s that sort of pragmatic approach.
You see that a lot in a lot of different communities. You know, I work a lot in Vermont – that’s where our office is. You see people who look at this thing as not about left or right. Not about Republicans versus Democrats, but again, about a culture of activism over a culture of incumbency.
The activist part is about simply getting a practical approach to getting government to work for its folks, for its people, for all of its taxpayers. In stead of being driven by right-wing ideology.
Edwin: Talking about right-wing ideology, what would conservative values be like? What metaphor would you have for them.
Jim: Well, right now, SUVs, the largest SUV – the Yukon – it’s as great a word association as I can think of – other than the fact that it’s large, has absolutely no value at all. It uses up a lot of gas, it’s big and unwieldy. It’s difficult to drive, and all it does is make a statement that is kind of irrelevant right now.
“All along I thought our level of corruption fell well within community standards.”
Definition of Corruption
Lack of integrity or honesty (especially susceptibility to bribery); use of a position of trust for dishonest gain;
The act of corrupting or making putrid, or state of being corrupt or putrid; decomposition or disorganization, in the process of putrefaction and deterioration.
From Wikipedia
Corruption, when applied as a technical term, is a general concept describing any organized, interdependent system in which part of the system is either not performing duties it was originally intended to, or performing them in an improper way, to the detriment of the system's original purpose. Its original meaning has connotations of evil, malignance, sickness, and loss of innocence or purity....
Political corruption, or the dysfunction of a political system or institution in which government officials, political officials or employees seek illegitimate personal gain through actions such as bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. ...
Putrefaction or decomposition of recently living matter. This physical process is the primary model of the metaphorical meaning of corruption, so advanced states of corruption in, e.g. a political structure are said to result in their putrefaction.
Some Questions for Discussion:
- Do you think corruption is a conservative value?
- What does the Conservative Culture of Corruption mean?
- How have conservative values failed?
- What conservative value has been the greatest failure.
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and I can't find threads without a link. I doubt I am alone. although it could just have to do with my machine trying to be "helpful", since upgrades were installed
what are we going to talk about next week after Hillary concedes? her victimhood? her aggrieved sisterhood? the gender card was played in her favor and she came up short, she needs to just look a little closer at some of the men in her own circle and not project on others(Bill and Mark Penn in particular)
that doesn't mean that we don't still need an Equal Rights Amendment
http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid62186.aspx
Hit the brakes

New York senator Hillary and former president Bill Clinton, who not too long ago were seen as America’s pre-eminent and prototypical power couple, have recast themselves as a coed Thelma and Louise.
...Still, as entertaining — and at times compelling — as the Clintons’ star turn as feisty underdogs out to beat the odds has been, it is wearing thin. The buzz is just not intense enough, the word of mouth not loud enough to catch on with those not predisposed to vote for the senator from New York.
...John F. Kennedy won the White House with a narrow margin of less than one percent and was no less legitimate a chief executive. To suggest that a narrow Obama win under rules that all Democrats agreed to — including both Clintons — would make Obama anything less than a legitimate candidate is wrong.
Let’s not forget how Thelma and Louise ended their road trip: they drove off a cliff. For the Clintons to continue their campaign of nullification after June 3 would not only threaten Obama’s chance of winning the White House, it could sentence the United States to four years of Bush-lite. That would be suicidal.
Phil, I often go to my dashboard page to find threads...
http://democracyforamerica.com/blog_posts/25413-failed-conservative-values-jim-dean-on-corruption#comments
Hat Tip to Rich K. for bringing this to the last thread.
It's the top recommended diary on Kos right now.
But it is an excellent smackdown of the "Obama lied about his Uncle" meme the wingnuts are pushing.
You know, a lot of people who fought in wars don't like to talk about those times. I've had conversations of various lengths with people who fought in WWII, in Korea and in Vietnam none of whom would say much, no matter how much I tried to draw them out. One friend finally gave me a self published book (not by him) and said "It was a lot like that." What it was was pretty rough.
I'm glad my service never included fighting in any wars. Sherman was right.
I don't visit KOS much at all these days...I've been of the opinion that the great posters splintered off from there long ago. Nice to see that someone was paying close attention.
I thought the kerfluffle was stupid in the first place in that there were no "work only" camps. They were all horrific and all had some means of disposing of people be it crematoriums or just large pits. I visited Dachau when traveling in Europe the summer before I started college. Chilling.
Evidently it is alive and well in the state of Va.
The "you do the work and we get the spoils" is going on in the national delegate process.
This has got to stop.
I see it in the little crony groups of "elected" who think it is their right to go to Denver.
No it is not. What is the problem with you being on the ballot alongside me?
Afraid to run against the "little" people??
Unfortunately, corruption is endemic in both "major " parties.
That's why I'm hoping for a new progressive party with a charismatic leader that can clean up the sour mess in Washington.
I've said it before; the Democrats are the 21st century Whigs. The Republicans are utterly corrupt.
of a special person running for Congress in Va. A Dean person who ran his campaign in NOVA in 2004.
Keep tuned to this channel.
Here?
I can't post on any of the newer threads. It just keeps telling me to log in.
Try switching to Firefox as a browser. I occasionally lose the toolbar, but it's otherwise robust and reliable.
There was like 3 new threads (that I couldn't post on) and now they're gone!
My dad was a bombadier in WWII. He never talked about it.
He became quite violent. Very authorative. Now that he has passed away, and there is distance, I wonder if that was why he never showed us much emotion.
I wonder.
War is hell.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-sutherland/hillarys-popular-vote-not_b_104152.html
A cerebral, albeit naughty, Canadian
It is incomprehensible to me that Mrs. Clinton can seriously be touting the notion, with the support of the punditocracy of CNN and Fox, that she is leading in the popular vote and should therefore be seriously considered as the most electable candidate in the November election. She's including those who voted for her in Florida and Michigan's name recognition ballot saying that to exclude them would be to disenfranchise them. What about the Democrats in Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Hawaii and Wyoming who did not cast ballots because they were playing by the pledged delegates playbook and voted by caucus. What about them? Certainly if the rules are going to be changed and judgment is based on the 'popular' vote those voters in the eleven caucus states and Samoa will be disenfranchised. What about them? And what about us? What about the American people? Haven't we had enough of Mrs. Clinton's mad antics in her pursuit of the realization of venal personal ambition; her 'say anything, do anything, no matter what' effort to manipulate our all too willing media to gull this country's populace into believing that her wretched illegitimacy is indeed legitimate. How much mendacity do we have to suffer, how much brazenness do we have to swallow before someone, anyone, has the decency, the common sense, to relieve us of this terrible trifle, this pathetic madness?
Way to go Donald. 5 long days to go....and as Annilow posted on a previous thread, CSPAN will be showing the DNC meeting on Saturday morning that will hopefully end all of this nonsense.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052302456.html
The public, and especially the mainstream media, misunderstands the "peak oil" story. It's not about running out of oil. It's about the instabilities that will shake the complex systems of daily life as soon as the global demand for oil exceeds the global supply. These systems can be listed concisely:
The way we produce food
The way we conduct commerce and trade
The way we travel
The way we occupy the land
The way we acquire and spend capital
And there are others: governance, health care, education and more.
Years ago, U.S. negotiators at a U.N. environmental conference told their interlocutors that the American lifestyle is "not up for negotiation." This stance is, unfortunately, related to two pernicious beliefs that have become common in the United States in recent decades. The first is the idea that when you wish upon a star, your dreams come true. (Oprah Winfrey advanced this notion last year with her promotion of a pop book called "The Secret," which said, in effect, that if you wish hard enough for something, it will come to you.) One of the basic differences between a child and an adult is the ability to know the difference between wishing for things and actually making them happen through earnest effort.
The companion belief to "wishing upon a star" is the idea that one can get something for nothing. This derives from America's new favorite religion: not evangelical Christianity but the worship of unearned riches.
These beliefs also explain why the presidential campaign is devoid of meaningful discussion about our energy predicament and its implications. The idea that we can become "energy independent" and maintain our current lifestyle is absurd. So is the gas-tax holiday.
Fixing the U.S. passenger railroad system is probably the one project we could undertake right away that would have the greatest impact on the country's oil consumption. The fact that we're not talking about it -- especially in the presidential campaign -- shows how confused we are. The airline industry is disintegrating under the enormous pressure of fuel costs. Airlines cannot fire any more employees and have already offloaded their pension obligations and outsourced their repairs. At least five small airlines have filed for bankruptcy protection in the past two months. If we don't get the passenger trains running again, Americans will be going nowhere five years from now.
We don't have time to be crybabies about this. The talk on the presidential campaign trail about "hope" has its purpose. We cannot afford to remain befuddled and demoralized. But we must understand that hope is not something applied externally. Real hope resides within us. We generate it -- by proving that we are competent, earnest individuals who can discern between wishing and doing, who don't figure on getting something for nothing and who can be honest about the way the universe really works.
This judge got tired of all the lawsuits filed against the DNC and had a little to say.
Judge when dismissing FL lawsuit said "I don't live in a cave."
"Lazzara said in announcing his decision that there was "not one scintilla of evidence" that the party was engaging in racial discrimination by allowing Nevada and South Carolina to have early primaries."
"I don't live in a cave, and I know that there are many people out there who are disgruntled" by the sanctions, Lazzara said, but, "The Democratic National Committee put everyone on notice that these were the rules everyone had to live by. The Florida Legislature in its infinite wisdom, for whatever reason, decided to ignore those rules"
- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary
By * cChalfonte* on May 29, 2008 5:01 PM EDT if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention - though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.
Pelosi predicted Wednesday that a presidential nominee will emerge in the week after the final Democratic primaries on June 3, but she said "I will step in" if there is no resolution by late June regarding the seating of delegates from Florida and Michigan, the two states that defied party rules by holding early primaries.
"Because we cannot take this fight to the convention," she said. "It must be over before then."
Jessica when it happens to me nothing I try works on some threads, others I don't see at all.
but if I am logged in already and someone leaves a link on the last thread it always works
now if I can only figure out why a toobar appears or not besides hitting reply
rdorgan, my wife just came running from the other room to see why I was LMAO. Thanks.
http://democracyforamerica.com/blog_posts/25415-website-updates#1200282
lol, took awhile to be able to post, but here's a link to the new thread
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