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Failed Conservative Values: Norman Solomon on Dog Eat Dog Greed
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There is sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed. Mahatma Gandhi
I interviewed Norman Solomon at the 2008 Democratic Party Convention in San Jose, California. Norman is a columnist and his book "War Made Easy" was recently made into a movie. He talked about how he sees 'dog eat dog greed' as a Failed Conservative Value.
Failed Conservative Values: Norman Solomon on Dog Eat Dog Greed
Norman Solomon: Well, what goes by the term conservative is too often a sort of a euphemism for dog eat dog, whoever comes out on top, we believe in the survival of the fittest – a sort of perversion of Darwinism taken into a social realm, where generally, the predatory nature in the animal kingdom of one category of animal inflicted on another is sort of mimicked and replicated. So that within humanity itself there is a notion that we all have to be in competition with each other to such an extreme degree in the survival of the fittest. Well, I think that is really a sort of dog-eat-dog notion of the way in which we are going to survive. I’ll tell you, it goes against so much, I believe, about even what has brought us this far as human beings. I mean, if parents looked at their kids that way, they would say, “well this is a competition for food, so just let them go.”
I’m afraid that – rhetoric aside – so-called conservatives talk about the national entity of the United States. Too often in practice it means “I’ll try to get mine, and if you can get yours, fine, but I’m not going to help you very much.”
So, I’m afraid it’s often a predatory model, whereas the progressive values at their best are really about “We’re all in this together, we’re going to find a way to help each other have more a human existence for ourselves, and then in tandem with other people”. I think there’s been success and failure of the so called conservative movements. They have certainly had successes in shredding the social safety net, in gaining and retaining power in the White House, in chopping up and discarding important parts of the New Deal, in terms of accountability, in terms of basic programs like, say, Medicaid, that have been under attack, and funding has been cut back egregiously. So there’s been a success at that level. But I think there’s increasing evidence – in 2008 anyway – that the so-called conservative movement has failed to capture the imagination and the passion of particularly the youngest couple generations, particularly people now in their 30’s and 20’s and teens. And that is a profound failure of the right-wing. And if progressives can work appropriately to build on our values in political and social realms, that could mean a rollback of so many of the right-wing advances of the last decades. Edwin Is there one conservative value that’s failed, what would you say it is? Norman: We’re all in it for ourselves. Greed by any other name. In practice being, “I’ll try to get as much as I can, and you try to get as much as you can, and let’s let government help me as much as possible. Let’s manipulate government as much as possible. Otherwise, government has no responsibility to others”. It’s the three “p’s”: prison, police, Pentagon. That is the conservative so-called belief system about what government should do. And I think we’ve seen the failure of that approach in human terms.
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good! Greed is right! Greed works! Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms.
Michael Douglas in Wall Street
Progressive Values Metaphor: Norman Solomon - Water v Bulldozer
Edwin: If you created a metaphor for progressive and conservative values, what would they be like?
Norman: Well, progressive values could be likened to water that flows and looks for cracks in the walls that constrain where we can go to, irrigate and nurture our own humanity in social terms. Edwin: And on the conservative side? Norman: I think it’s a bulldozing process in terms of rolling over people and institutions in the service of the quest for outsized profits.
What kind of society isn't structured on greed? The problem of social organization is how to set up an arrangement under which greed will do the least harm; capitalism is that kind of a system.
Milton Friedman
Greed Definition:
- excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves;
- reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins);
At Wikipedia:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, power, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others. It is generally considered a vice, and is one of the seven deadly sins in Catholicism.
Greed denotes desire to acquire wealth or possessions beyond the needs of the individual, especially when this accumulation of possession denies others legitimate needs or access to those or other resources. For example, amassing a large collection of seashells would not be considered greed, unless in doing so, the needs of others were jeopardized. Essential to the concept of greed is the awareness that the needs of others are denied, thus rivalrous goods exemplify greed while non-rivalrous goods may not. Greed also often involves using wealth to gain power over others, sometimes by denying wealth or power.....
Some Questions To Ponder:
- How would you define Greed?
- Do you have a personal story or anecdote of how you learned some insight into the
Failed Conservative Value of Greed?
- What is the progressive counter value to conservative Greed? common good, community, ?
- Can you create a metaphor for greed, i.e. Greed is like ?
- How else have conservative values failed?
Failed Conservative Values
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the senate just overrode bush's veto of the Farm Bill. Immediately after the vote, the Repugs begged bush's forgiveness. "We're sorry President Bush!"
You're sorry alright.
BREAKING: Rove subpoenaed! (Updated)
by sidwood
Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:42:01 AM PDT
Karl Rove has just been subpoenaed by the House Judiciary Committee to testify on June July 10. I just heard it on MSNBC. Will have a link to a story as soon as I can find one.
UPDATE: Special thanks to leney for finding the story, via the Chicago Tribune.
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Now, Rove and other top-level Bushies have been subpoenaed before to no avail. Let's hope this time is different, especially in light of the statement Conyers made today (as quoted in the Tribune article):
"It is unfortunate that Mr. Rove has failed to cooperate with our requests," Conyers, D-Mich., said in a statement. "Although he does not seem the least bit hesitant to discuss these very issues weekly on cable television and in the print news media, Mr. Rove and his attorney have apparently concluded that a public hearing room would not be appropriate."
"Unfortunately, I have no choice today but to compel his testimony on these very important matters," Conyers said.
Let's also not forget this recent gem from Conyers:
Just off the House floor today, the Crypt overheard House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers tell two other people: "We're closing in on Rove. Someone's got to kick his ass."
Asked a few minutes later for a more official explanation, Conyers told us that Rove has a week to appear before his committee. If he doesn't, said Conyers, "We'll do what any self-respecting committee would do. We'd hold him in contempt. Either that or go and have him arrested."
The Judiciary Committee needs to assert its constitutional powers and make sure that Rove actually testifies, on the record, under oath. You can call the office of the Judiciary Committee to let them know at 202-225-3951.
You can also reach John Conyers and urge him to live up to his word by phone at 202-225-5126 or by email at John.Conyers@mail.house.gov.
Thus far, this Congress has not used its constitutional powers to enforce its orders. We need to tell the House leaders that's what the Sergeant-at-Arms and the Capitol Police are for.
Hopefully, this will be coming soon:
Poll
Tell me what is your name?
Rove will dodge and twist, spin and twirl his answers, bet on it!
But then there is always perjury, either now or after Jan. 20 2009.
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Updated: Shocking SUSA Obama 49% McCain 42% IN VIRGINIA!!!
by Steven R
Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:57:35 AM PDT
Notice all the Press this morning that the new Q-Poll "Swing" State got? It's got the full splash at Mark "Tool" Halperin's website...
Memo to Mark, MSM and Q-Poll: Obama is the Nominee; OBAMA HAS A DIFFERENT MAP
Hence the shocking part... Obama's Map is becoming reality; Virginia has been under polled and this would "shock" the Halperin's of the world hung up on Clinton's 2004 map
Case In POINT: VIRGINIA - 13 EV's
Obama: 49% (35%)
McCain: 42% (55%)
Obama/Edwards: 53%
McCain/Huckabee: 41%
The Map has Changed, Electability has been redefined, and there is no Gender Gap in Virginia.
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- VIDEO: Michael L. "Mikey" Weinstein, Founder and President of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
By Susan Rowe on May 22, 2008 3:50 PM EDTSeparation of church and state being dissolved within the military.
Holy warriors in the US Armed Forces http://therealnews.com/idirect.php?i=1517
- ACTION ALERT: War Resister Corey Glass loses bid to stay in Canada - First to face deportation June 12th
By Susan Rowe on May 22, 2008 3:54 PM EDT |
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US Iraq war resister Corey Glass was told today that his application to stay in Canada for “humanitarian and compassionate” reasons has been rejected. He has been ordered to leave Canada by June 12. If this order is allowed to stand, Corey will be the first Iraq War resister to be deported from Canada.
Obama to fill in for Ted Kennedy at Wesleyan's commencement.
From NBC's Mark Murray
Obama will fill in for Ted Kennedy in giving Sunday's commencement address at Wesleyan University, his campaign says.
“Ted and I talked about me filling in for him at Wesleyan University earlier this week," Obama said in a statement. "Considering what he's done for me and for our country, there's nothing I wouldn't do for him. So I'm looking forward to standing in his place on Sunday even though I know I won't be able to fill his shoes."
I hope Pat in Colorado was not in the line of these huge tornadoes today. They are hitting around the Greeley area. That's about 50 miles north of Denver.
We can't let him squirm out of it. I think Conyers won't let us down.
I'm sitting outside of the meeting room next to the snacks for their break. The news about Rove popped up right when they broke and someone asked me what I was yippee-ing about. I told them. Their faces went blank. It was AWESOME to see. Someone brought up Keith O and said he's on a crusade to ruin Bush. I laughed out loud. I told him someone had to tell the truth. I don't think he liked that too much.
Gotta love free speech
Joan - Pat lives in Estes Park - higher elevation so she should be fine although they do get high winds in that area.
Hillary is making more sick every day that passes. She could give a hoot about MI/FL. It's all about she and Bill. When will people wake up? And when will the darn Super D's finally have their say? I'm ready for this whole sordid primary to be finito.
- I've been to Estes Park. It's very beautiful in the wintertime.
By Susan Rowe on May 22, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
"Hillary . . . could give a hoot about MI/FL."
That noisome clown, Harold Ickes is telling the press the Clinton campaign is demanding that none of the Michigan primary ballots cast for "uncommitted" should be allotted to Obama at the convention. I think this will be a difficult argument to make if he reads MDC Chair Mark Brewer's 12/7/2007 memorandum entitled How You Can Help Pick the 2008 Democratic Candidate for President, in which the following Question No. 10 and answer appears:
Q: If my candidate’s name is not on the ballot, should I write it in?
"A: No. Supporters of Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson are urged to vote 'uncommitted' instead of writing in their candidates' names because write-in votes for those candidates will not be counted under state law." (My emphasis.)
Thus, the Clinton camp wants every vote for Clinton to count and no uncommitted vote to count for Obama, even though every Michigan primary voter knew the primary results would not affect the constitution of the state delegation at the convention, and that any write-in vote for Obama would be disqualified under state law, making it mandatory to vote uncommitted in order to register any kind of preference for Obama on a ballot that was determined to be non-binding before the polls even opened. God, these people are jerks. I could not ask for any less scrupulous, more insensitive, politically tone deaf louts to be self-appointed representives on behalf of my so-called interests as a voting resident of Michigan.
What a surprise: Grampy McCain doesn't know his ass from his elbow. From First Read we learn that
"NBC News has been told that McCain decided to 'reject' the endorsement of evangelical pastor John Hagee. . . .
"Advisers acknowledge this endorsement was not properly vetted and that McCain was not aware of the range of controversial comments Hagee has made."
Ha, ha. Show us what an incompetent boob you are at running a presidential campaign so we can get a good indication of how well your White House will be run.
- Hagee, in 'NYT' This Sunday, Says McCain Sought His Endorsement
By puddle on May 22, 2008 4:37 PM EDTHagee, in 'NYT' This Sunday, Says McCain Sought His Endorsement
By Greg Mitchell
Published: March 20, 2008 5:35 PM ET
NEW YORK In an interview that will appear in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine, controversial televangelist Rev. John Hagee declares, "It's true that [John] McCain's campaign sought my endorsement."
McCain has attempted to distance himself from some of Hagee's views, much as Barack Obama is doing in relation to Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But unlike McCain, Obama has not stood on stage with Wright and accepted his accolades this year.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003728364
May News from Plug In America
By Susan Rowe on May 22, 2008 3:26 PM
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By Susan Rowe on May 22, 2008 3:27 PM
The California Air Resources Board (CARB) may have become irrelevant to our cause. But electric cars are inevitable......
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The short sided (if not perverted) vision of the future transportation solution is hard to overcome.
If there is something 'inevitable', it is not the car's energy source, imo, but the corresponding to a car LIFESTYLE!
Providing transparency in the upcoming June 3 election, Madera County Clerk Rebecca Martinez invited local interested parties to test the ballot counting machines at her office Monday afternoon.
Martinez, who also serves as county recorder and registrar of voters, and her staff will perform a battery of tests on the voting method in the days leading up to the election. ...more: http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=243653
State Sen. Dean Florez of Shafter in Kern County will speak at a Madera County Democratic Central Committee fundraiser Saturday at the Madera Municipal Golf Course, 23200 Avenue 17. ...more: http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=243719
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/05/gellers-files-s.html
Giordano has named the thread Send In The Clown
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/
Guess who met with Geller yesterday. Yep Clinton.
Steve Geller meets with Hillary Clinton
Under the category of better late than never...
When we first approached the topic of making an endorsement among Democratic candidates for president, we were too evenly split. However, recently we revisited this topic and realized everything had changed. Though Hillary won the NY primary, the voting members of dfaROCHESTER have overwhelming voted to endorse Barack Obama.
...a very special bumpersticker.
For all those who have been empowered by Howard, check out this bumpersticker:
http://www.cafepress.com/dfarochester.261707375
Still in love with Howard Dean. ;-)
I've already grabbed firsties.
McCain media consultant departs
11 comments May. 20, 2008 07:10 PM
Associated Press
MIAMI - A top adviser is leaving Republican John McCain's presidential campaign because he doesn't want to work against Democrat Barack Obama.
Mark McKinnon, the chief media consultant to McCain, wrote in a campaign memo last year that if Obama won the Democratic nomination, he would not actively campaign against him. With the results of Tuesday night's primaries in Kentucky and Oregon, Obama claimed he had a majority of convention delegates.
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McKinnon said Tuesday evening he was making good on his pledge, and was "moving from middle linebacker to cheerleader" for McCain.
"I'll still be around from time to time in my lucky hat," McKinnon said in an e-mail, referring to his familiar black felt cowboy hat.
The former Democrat worked for President Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns. After signing on with McCain, McKinnon stayed on even as the Arizona senator's campaign faltered, losing staff and running out of money before climbing back to win the New Hampshire primary in January.
He said last year that he didn't want to work against an Obama candidacy. Electing Obama "would send a great message to the country and the world," McKinnon said at the time, although he added that he intended to vote for McCain.
McCain's media strategy and commercials will be handled by existing campaign consultants Fred Davis, Chris Mottola and Mike Hudome, known as Foxhole Media.
Five other McCain aides and associates have left the campaign recently because of their ties to lobbying or consulting for foreign governments. McKinnon's departure was unrelated.
AP-WS-05-20-08 2156EDT
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/mccain/articles/2008/05/20/20080520mccain0520mckinnon.html
Government Insider: Bush Authorized 911 Attacks
Pakistan Daily
May 21, 2008
Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.
The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones’ radio show.
Note: All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may know the truth of 9/11.
The Bush Junta Unmasked
“This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder.” –Stanley Hilton
Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers’ lawsuit
AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole’s chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. He represents hundreds of the victims families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11. Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11. And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is Stanley Hilton. Stanley, it’s great to have you on with us.
SH: Glad to be on.
AJ: We’ll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you’ve deposed a lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your case alleging?
SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.
AJ: That’s right. They were all Straussian followers of a Nazi-like professor. And now they are setting it up here in America. Stanley, I know you deposed a lot of people and you’ve got your $7 million dollar lawsuit with hundreds of the victim’s families involved.
SH: 7 billion, 7 billion
AJ: Yeah, 7 billion. Can you go over some of the new and incriminating evidence you’ve got of them ordering the attack?
SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers’ class action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. And secondly that they [garbled] fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.
AJ: Tell you what, stay there. Stanley, we’ve got to break. Let’s come back and get into the evidence. BREAK
AJ: All right my friends, second hour, the anniversary of the globalist attack coming up. It’s an amazing individual we have on the line. Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He’s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims’ families signing onto it - it’s a $7 billion lawsuit. And he is Stanley Hilton. I know that a lot of stations just joined us in Los Angeles and Rhode Island and Missouri and Florida and all over. Please sir, recap what you were just stating and then let’s get into the new evidence. And then we’ll get into why you are being harassed by the FBI, as other FBI people are being harassed who have been blowing the whistle on this. So, this is really getting serious. Stanley, tell us all about it.
SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It’s not just incompetence - in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th - when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, “seen on television the first plane attack the first tower.” And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally government-ordered thing. We are suing them under the Constitution for violating Americans’ rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains. And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity. And I’ve been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on the court. I’ve been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been harassed and threatened. My office has been broken into and this is the kind of government we are dealing with.
AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out - five separate drills of flying hijacked jets into buildings that morning - which you told us about before it even broke in the Associated Press. They were trying to get out ahead of you. You talked about how you interviewed military people who were told it was a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of that, the news finally reported on it. Now, we’ve learned that all these operations - I want to get into that, I want to talk about the new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this. That has even come out in the mainstream news but they won’t release the details of that, Stanley. But what type of FBI harassment are you going through? SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several months ago. Files were gone through and some files were seized - particularly the ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared permanently. But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of my staff members and threatening them with vague but frightening threats of indicting them. And it’s just total harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in my organization, as we just recently discovered. In other words, these are Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of government you have in this country. This is what Bush is all about.
AJ: Stay there, Stanley, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff. We’ll come back after this quick break. Please stay with us. BREAK
AJ: All right, eight minutes, 25 seconds into the second hour. Stanley Hilton, political scientist, lawyer, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, is suing the government for 7 billion dollars for carrying out 9/11 and for racketeering. And he joins us now. During the break, I first really did the big interview with Stanley Hilton after I saw him attacked on Fox News. And that interview got massive attention. And then he kind of went underground for a while because a judge, we’re going to talk about that, ordered him to not do any more interviews. And now he’s back doing interviews. He’s had his office broken into, FBI threats and harassment. Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11, that’s why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation. And I’ll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks. And he’s got so much courage. He went to school with these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and wasn’t doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to. Stanley, can you get into that for us?
SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, about a year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where I have the lawsuit. And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened with discipline. And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago and then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity and July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief judge here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge has been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and discipline me after I’ve been on the court here for 30 years with no disciplinary problems at all. This is suddenly happening. And her assistants who are on the committee of the court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, California, and threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What’s this? She doesn’t like the content of it. This is politically incorrect. This is outside the norm. I said I represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case? And they threatened me directly and they said, “the next time you’ll be disciplined.” And also they’ve threatened me not to go public, etc. And this is just outrageous.
AJ: It’s all color of law. No direct orders, just all in your face.
SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it’s because of the political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone that it is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, apparently has been in contact with Ashcroft’s Justice Department. I got a call from Ashcroft’s Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of things. I refused to drop it. AJ: Now let’s go back over, you had them break into your office, harassment. Let’s go over that in detail.
SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets - it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that the - some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That the entity that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, these people are criminals. And that’s what’s happening under the tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go away.
AJ: Now, let’s talk about what they want you to drop. Let’s talk about, without giving names, the people you deposed, what really happened, the picture you’ve got. You said earlier that Bush ordered this, they were simulating this which they now admit there were simulations on that morning. Let’s go over what they don’t want you to talk about, Stanley.
SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video. And that’s not possible because there was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not the first one. He had seen the first one. We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the night before - September 10th, that is
AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted that - Tripod II. They had their whole command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the CIA’s own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening - that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we’ve learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these - one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That’s why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen. You’ve said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you can’t get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?
SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole. I’m very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the exact location
AJ: But five drills that day.
SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That’s the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant
AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, “Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?”
SH: Yes.
AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.
SH: That’s right. That’s exactly what I said long before it became public. I’ve known about this since earlier in March of ‘03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. And now, obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now - look what’s happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early `70s and it´s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today - somebody guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.
AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings - said it all over television - Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they weren’t involved, that proves they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.
SH: Well, I’m trying to take their depositions - I’ve been trying to take their depositions for months. They’ve been trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It’s clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that’s what they are. These are the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now that they didn’t know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody knew anything. It’s the old know-nothing mentality. And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.
AJ: All right, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could the AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if your Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on you. It’s real simple. It’s what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. It’s what came out in the news after that. The military, good people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a drill. And ABC News admits that Cheney was in control of [?] out of the White House [?] and that he ordered the military to quote “do something.” Our inside sources from Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not release that under national security. Stanley?
SH: Well they are going to admit it, they’re going to release it in the court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must release it. And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. because under the federal fraudulent [Claims Act], we accuse the Bush Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under the statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this information. That’s why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice and other crimes to try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and their acts of treason and mass murder.
AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?
SH: (laughs) I’m not planning suicide. I’ve got family and I’m not planning that but I don’t like the threats I’m under - but I can tell you this, it’s taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff. And particularly, when you get a threat from the chief judge of your own court.
AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under the radar? SH: Because the more and more evidence that I’ve been adducing over a year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without any doubt a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act of treason and mass murder in American history. I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington. I mean that’s what we have - a criminal and a traitor sitting in the White House pretending he’s a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag. And it’s pretty disgusting because the other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry camp is just saying nothing because they’re afraid to speak.
AJ: Stay right there. We’ll be right back.
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AJ: Stanley Hilton will be with us for another 15 or 16 minutes. Then he’s got to go into court. Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, lawyer, represents 400 plus plaintiffs - most of them victims of 9/11. When I was in New York last week, everybody I was talking to, I mean 90 plus percent of them at ground zero - “I had family, I worked in the buildings, my son’s a Navy Seal - he called the night before and said don’t go to work.” You know, all of this, and then now they never had any idea - and it turns out they had all these drills - and one drill of hijacked jets flying into the World Trade Center and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning. That morning - come on people! And Stanley Hilton brought all this out on this show before it was in the mainstream news. And I was talking to him during the break. I mean, the harassment, the moles, the threatening of his staff, the judge threatening him. Stanley, let’s get specifically into the documents that you have now got that they have now been robbing you for, that you luckily, thank God had copies. Specifically, Bush ordering this. Can you get into that for us - ordering 9/11? SH: National Security Council classified documents which [garbled] and it’s was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill documents. This was all planned - they had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there’s a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, to disable the pilot’s control of the plane and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That’s what happened. It’s also a technology used on what’s called the Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone - a remote- controlled aircraft. And they were doing it. We are talking about National Security Council classified documents that clearly indicated that [garbled] had a green light to order this to go and this is no drill. These drills that were running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government operation. You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people and trying to intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste billions more on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you’ve got something to worry about and you want to threaten people to prevent it from coming out.
AJ: I mean let’s look at this. Not only are there dress rehearsals, they are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn’t know what’s happening. But it’s now coming out, even in mainstream news, that yes these drills were going on. Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type jets were under remote control - this is decades old technology. In 1958, NORAD was [ ] old jets and using them for target practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney Australia. So since that’s going on, everybody knows that. And it’s the same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center [bombing] where they get two retarded men who followed this blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza parlor. And they set them up as the patsies. Then the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the drivers. This informant goes, “You’re not going to bomb the building? They go “Yeah, we’re letting it go forward.” He tapes them to protect themselves. The two retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn’t park it up against the column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn’t bring down the tower - because you have to be right up against the column. That doesn’t happen. Yet, it’s the same thing with 9/11. You’ve got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station - mainstream media, out creating their legends for this background. They’re on board the aircraft. My military sources say nerve gas kills everybody on board the plane - nerve gas packets. Then they fly the planes into buildings. From your inside sources, is that accurate?
SH: It’s one of the things that we are looking into - that nerve gas or something else disabled people. It’s possible. I can’t say for sure to be honest with you
AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were on board and the planes were remote controlled.
SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events of the hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant. It was like a classic decoy. I’ve got some military background. And it’s called decoy. It’s a decoy operation. You make the people focus on the decoy to avoid looking at the real criminals. So they are focusing on these so-called nineteen hijackers and saying, “Oh, it must have been these Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - sitting in the oval office. That’s the guilty person. That’s the one who authorized it. There is only one man who could have authorized this operation and that’s Bush. And anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the war control room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of thing and that’s Bush. Even though many believe he’s a puppet. And I think in many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was [ ] Cheney, Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush personally ordered and he’s guilty and liable and he’s going to be re-elected apparently because the media’s asleep and [garbled] for Bush. AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex that carried out the attacks.
SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab. These Arabs couldn’t even steer that plane down a runway.
AJ: Stay there Stanley, final segment coming up. BREAK
AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to these military men and women, what’s their attitude? They’ve got to be pretty freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually happened on 9/11.
SH: Yes, you know it’s like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They are just enraged at the criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the government to murder its own citizens and pursue these dubious political ends. And many of them, in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk under subpoena - but only under subpoena because the official party line of the government is shut up and don’t talk to the trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that part of the government has done this to its own people, to its own people. I mean you have to go back to Stalin to see something - not even Hitler did this to his own people. You have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians for his own dubious gains. Also we’ve got - we have a Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it’s disgusting. I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is going to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th. They interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago. I’ll be on that. I wish - of course, the America media don’t care so they are not going to care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more people are interested: www.deprogram.info. But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything happens to me - and I don’t know why - because I’m being threatened here now. And it seems you can’t bring a case in this country anymore against criminals in power without being threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are pretty high when you’ve got a world historical level of treason and fraud by this government against it’s own people. I guess this is what you have to expect.
AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know they would have carried out more attacks if we wouldn’t have done what we’ve been up to, if you wouldn’t have been out there boldly speaking out and many others. And then their electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. Thanks to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may carry out what they’ve been hyping - a suitcase nuke attack, a biological release to try to smokescreen all of this? I know it’s a catch 22, you’ve got to expose the murderers. We’ve got to get the word out on this but some government people that I’ve talk to say, “Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to go even more hard core and must totally try to take over.” But I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do you say to that?
SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have contingency plans. I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing number of people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and accusing them of criminal conduct. I think they would have done it again if we had not spoken up. I think they’re planning, what they would like to do is silence any dissenters. That’s why we are trying to get the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.
AJ: Let’s talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of those guys who hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for America. But when you’ve got a Zogby poll, who is highly respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that the U.S. government was involved. And some groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was involved. European polls, two- thirds show the same thing. We have German defense ministers and technology ministers and another member of their government now, three of them going public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they didn’t do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look, if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence, their official story is impossible. Then you investigate and they are involved in it. Comments to this massive awakening and what’s happening.
SH: Well, I think that’s why they want the Patriot Act to suppress political dissent. They have to, they’re anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. I know these people personally, Wolfowitz. These are criminal individuals but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent. And that’s why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they’re all for political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government has done this - they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that’s why we have the Patriot Act. So it’s hand in hand. They had it planned to go right up to September 11th, this was all part of the plan. You have to do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You must follow through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression mechanism in the law. And that’s why they want Patriot I and Patriot II and their plans are to continue launching more terrorist attacks to justify even more repression. The goal is to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to pursue their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That’s the goal
AJ: You’ve got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to also tell you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they’re against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000 police, accredited media being arrested randomly. Children being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms. You had to have permission to go to the porta-potties. Police screaming at you. It had nothing to do with terrorism. They are openly setting the precedent for martial law.
SH: Well, that’s right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad and overly defined [garbled] and also, you know, it’s like the word communist was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt. And anybody can be called a terrorist by Bush’s definition. But the irony is that the number one terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the oval office today. That’s the real irony. For sheer hypocrisy, I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.
AJ: Let me ask you a question on this because this is the experience that I had. Watching television, watching the killers, watching those that are guilty, stand up there as our saviors is incredibly painful. It’s like watching Ted Bundy being the judge at his own trial. I mean it is just painful to know who these people are. To see them putting America in a shredder. Now we are going to have forced psychological testing of every American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American unions, I mean it’s just all happening, it’s in our face, Stanley.
SH: Yeah, it’s very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s armaments minister. I interviewed him in 1981 in Munich. And I’ve studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no question that it’s very frightening. And it has, today, with high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance of having a world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented government - an elite government. And they’ve got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler didn’t have, which is the technological means to dominate not only their own country but others - the world.
AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC [Project for the New American Century] said we need helpful Pearl Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style attacks, to show their own plans. And to force people to face this horror. What are they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the truth?
SH: Well, that’s why they want repression and, then again, the ancient old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch it away. I mean who knows what they’ll do next. I mean their capacity for ingenious creation of these events is sort of unraveled. I mean there is no limit. My guess is they are going to try another stunt - maybe a stunt just before the election to justify getting Bush reelected. Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or a ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they’ll try some other tactic to get people’s attention away from 9/11 if it gets to be too much attention. What you really want is for the public to just lose interest because the public - and it’s like remember the Alamo, you know, people don’t forget things like that. To me it’s like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of treason. That’s what it is. It’s not
AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don’t think they anticipated this much resistance, Stanley.
SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is exceeded only by their corruption and their guilt. And eventually, if enough people are going to get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil service and our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena these individuals will be exposed.
AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler and others. People couldn’t recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it. We are recognizing it this time. We are putting our lives, our treasure, our future on the line for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty control freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade the planet. And that’s their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know you’ve got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you for being here with us today. Can we get you back on next week?
SH: Sure, just give me a call.
AJ: God bless you my friend. Any closing comments?
SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the danger for the future that these sorts of individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.
AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the government. They have not captured the peoples’ minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it.
SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them. That’s what they are counting on.
AJ: But you’re not backing down are you, my friend.
SH: No, I’m not
AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.
SH: All right. Thank you.
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