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Huron John
Thu, 04/24/08


NEW (PROGRESSIVE) PARTY NEEDED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

2:56PM
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NOPE!

People UNLEASHED from those "professional leaders" are first!

Howard Dean is first, as always :-)

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

3:37 pm est

There will be a woman President
http://www.counterpunch.org/santina04232008.html

Hillary's plan to elect McCain and then run in 2012 has one problem. In 2012 she would have to run against Howard Dean.

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Progressive Avenger
Thu, 04/24/08


Hillary's plan to elect McCain and then run in 2012 has one problem. In 2012 she would have to run against Howard Dean.
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Can you see this decomposing system sustains itself till 2012...lol?

Progressive Avenger....

Now you're talking. what fun that would be! Maybe we could get it all out of our systems.

America needs Howard as President. The sooner the better.

When asked why hasn't Barack *closed the deal*?

I reply, "It's a mathematical certainty that Obama will close the deal. But why couldn't Hillary, who a year ago had every advantage in name recognition, big donors, political and press machine, and institutional support, 'close the deal'?"

I've never gotten an answer. 

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because she's running against Obama who is a once in a lifetime candidate, that's why. And I admire her for her perseverence  & very hard work. Another candidate would have given up long ago. I'm sure there are many here who wish she had. I back her in her long hard slog... 

Denise wrote:

The lack of action on some in America (not singling anyone out here) makes it all the harder for the rest of us to make up for their lack of making a choice.

Not voting, or voting for a 3rd party candidate who articulates one's priorities and values is a choice, and an honorable one.

The Democratic Establishment takes progressive Democrats and Independents for granted--asuuming that we'll vote for whichever establishment candidates they throw at us, no matter how awful they are, rather than allow the Republican Barbarians to win.

One by one, and with the enthusiastic connivance of the media, the Democratic Establishment systematically destroyed the campaigns of the progressive candidates for president, leaving us the choice between 2 very flawed people. Now they're wringing their hands because the 2 survivors are clawing each other to ribbons, to the extent that whoever "wins" the nomination will probably lose to a 71 year-old, delusionary and demented neocon, masquerading as a moderate, and successfully enough to sucker in the "Reagan Democrats" and a significant fraction of independents.

4:19pm

I guess one needs to know how long a lifetime is to say Obama is a one in a lifetime candidate, jao.

I was born when Eisenhower was president, followed by JFK.

Denise - I can top that -- FDR for me :~)

Hi Anni - thanks for helping to make my point, young lady :)

The lack of action on some in America (not singling anyone out here) makes it all the harder for the rest of us to make up for their lack of making a choice.

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Denise,

YOUR party has had decades to change things for decent people......they havent, and actually they only mimick the "war party" now..........................the partys over..............cal me dumb but I aint stupid.

Yeah huron and not voting at all is a choice too. And since it took 80 years for women to get the vote in this country, having the choice to vote is sacred to me.

Hillary's plan to elect McCain and then run in 2012 has one problem. In 2012 she would have to run against Howard Dean.  

As much as I admire Howard, he's a spent force politically. If he runs in '12, the media will hound and ridicule him and the Establishment Dems will do the same number on him that they did to Kucinich, Edwards, Richardson and Dodd.

The "scream" loop wil be repeated ad nauseam

4:25pm

And it still makes it harder on the rest of us trying to save democracy for America, to echo Phil. That was my real point.

I admire her for her perseverence  & very hard work.

jao,

Fine for you. I have found her to be increasingly disgusting and rather crazy for power. As Bill Richardson said on Larry King last night, the Clintons think they have a dynasty and should not be denied the contest.

Hillary and Bill Clinton need to seek professional mental health and soon. They are losing it, you can see it in their faces more and more every day.

GObama

Orlando4Obama (O4O) chapter is opening up their new Orlando4Obama office this weekend. This group has been supporters of BO for a long, long time and have been very aggresive at getting new members. We have been invited as we are members of the Villages Chapter, but with the price of gas....

I disagree Mike. I try to solve problems, not sit on the sidelines and let others do the work.

Forget Howard being president. I'm sure he will have had his fill of campaigning by 2012.

Besides, he is going to be in the Obama Administration if he wants too:)

having the choice to vote is sacred to me.

"Choice" is the operative word. I repeat:

Not voting, or voting for a 3rd party candidate who articulates one's priorities and values is a choice, and an honorable one.

I would feel justified in not voting (or more likely, voting for a 3rd party candidate) simply by virtue of the fact that the corrupt Democratic nomination process disenfranchised me very early on.

This fall's presidential election will be Hobson's choice for many of us.

4:32pm

change the goalpost, win at any cost - this woman and her campaign crew are simply out of their minds in their lust for power!  this campaign is going to leave mud on a lot of their careers as they continue tp postulate this crap with a straight face.  you know that nasty, demeaning 'c' word we women hate so much?  it pops into my head every single day lately - the trashiest of female insults pops into my head because it's the only word in my vocabulary I can find to describe how I feel about Hillary now. 

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jo in vermont    Where oh where does that venom come from? That's like the conservative hard right & how they view our candidates & what they will do & say against them. Do you wish she would just drop dead? or is her losing good enough for you. 

It's such a hard job saving the world..lol

And it still makes it harder on the rest of us trying to save democracy for America, to echo Phil. That was my real point.

It's way too late to save Democracy in this country. Bush has shredded the Constitution, and assumed dictatorial powers, aided and abetted by the feckless Democrats in Congress.

Neither remaining Democratic Candidate has pledged to restore the checks and balances that Bush has destroyed.

4:38pm

No apologies seashell.  Your comment was inappropriate.

Leaving for airport soon.

Most here on this blog are politically savvy, as it should be.

Me I know some, but follow my heart.

I have come to see this is not the place for me.

You guys stay safe.  Love ya.

Obama/Boxer

MORE DEMOCRATIC TREACHERY

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hill-dc-dems-back-off-hea_b_98386.html

In a stunning - if predictable - story, the Hill newspaper reports that congressional Democrats are now saying that they will effectively thwart any effort to create a national health care program. Here is the key excerpt:

"Congressional Democrats are backing away from healthcare reform promises made by their two presidential candidates, saying that even if their party controls the White House and Congress, sweeping change will be difficult...Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), a member of Senate Democratic leadership and a key Hillary Clinton ally who also sits on the Finance Committee, said he is 'not sure we have the big plan on healthcare.'...'Healthcare I feel strongly about, but I am not sure that we're ready for a major national healthcare plan,' Schumer said...Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), a Clinton supporter who sits on the House Ways and Means Committee, said "the money is not necessarily there right now" to enact the plans.

Schumer, like a reliable Fox News anchor, tells us that America isn't "ready" for national health care plan, despite polls over the last decade showing strong support for such a concept. Likewise, Meek - , claims the federal government doesn't have the cash to pay for a health care overhaul - even as Congress continues writing blank checks to fund the Iraq War.

WHY SHOULD INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR THESE IDIOTS???????????

4:48PM

Fortunately, people die and new generations take over.  LOL

It may well be hard work for Hillary Clinton to put on her face every morning, choose which Easter egg colored outfit to wear and learn her new lines for the day, but when it comes to achievement, there's precious little to show. 

Huron John....

Yes, and are the candidates being asked if they will restore democracy. We anointed the corporations with personhood, and turned the $$$$ into speech. will the candidates right that wrong? Will they impeach? It would be worth having another debate if someone would ask some real questions,

Democrats are the 21st Century Whigs.

Let's launch a truly progressive and honest party and put the rotten Democratic Donkey out of its misery.

4:51pm

health care has ballooned to a two trillion dollar a year enterprise.  The whole federal government is only three.  Of course, the Congress is leary taking on such a task.  The fall elections are an opportunity to elect some people with courage.

We certainly don't want a replay of the Clinton's 100 day effort in 1993. 

I guess one needs to know how long a lifetime is to say Obama is a one in a lifetime candidate, jao.

I was born when Eisenhower was president, followed by JFK.

jao, re: jo in vermont    Where oh where does that venom come from? That's like the conservative hard right & how they view our candidates & what they will do & say against them. Do you wish she would just drop dead? or is her losing good enough for you. 

just stopping the gutter republican tactics is all I ask - that's what I was commenting on.   where, oh where did you get a death wish from what I posted? because I call her the 'c' word in my head?  and exactly what is it that I said I was going to DO to her? 

jao - I think it's great that you say you don't attack Obama even tho you support Hillary.  now if you could stop attacking Obama's supporters, you'd really be making a difference.  Obama would be proud. 

I just love it when Chuck Schumer and Meeks make a statement and then it's applied to 'Congressional Democrats' making it sound like they all agree and it's a done deal.  even Sirota gets a bit brainless in his exaggeration at times!

Democrats to thwart a national health care plan? There isn't enough money for it?

Fine, now we know what we have to do. No point in electing new Dems. There needs to be a national effort to begin whatever action necessary to strip the Critters of all of their benefits and put the money saved into the people's health care. I know they vote for all of their amenities, but each one has to explain it to their district. If the people say off with your benefits or you're out, some will listen.

It's a sad state when we elect Dems, a majority, and a president and we're told their isn't wnough money. Stop the d#%^ed war!!!!!

Shumer wouldn't think of doing that.

Neither remaining Democratic Candidate has pledged to restore the checks and balances that Bush has destroyed.

actually, Barack has said that's one of the first things he'll tackle - and gave a list of the things to do!  if you can't find it on your own, HuJo, just let me know.  I'll look it up when I have more time.

by the way, do you mind being called HuJo?  if not, I'll stop - I just kinda like the sound of it!

NEW (PROGRESSIVE) PARTY NEEDED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

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We're trying it in Vermont and it ain't working imo. I almost left the Democratic party because of the non-impeachment of these thugs. All those that are wide eyed not believing what they're seeing these past seven years...there's ten (or more) for every one of you that gobble up the CM slop dished to them every night. It's the MEDIA!!! Break up the media control or nothing else matters...said it way back at Dean for America meetups...and saying it even more so now. When the media can convince intellegent people that 9-11 wasn't an inside job even when the facts are accessible on the internet...no hope. The only reason I'm backing Obama is that he's bringing in masses of new people to the process, especially the youth...that's the only hope I can see!

going fishing

jao just for the record I don't hate Hillary. I don't think you were implying that though in your response to me about JFK.

new thread

Interesting who pipes up to answer comments just generally posted to any and all. And with such venom. Hmmmmm.....wonder why?

Off to a conference have a good day!

GObama!!

new thread

hi Denise - hi Reed!  thanks for 'adopting' the 11 yr old, Reed!  have fun fishin'!

safe travels Denise!

I'm off too - y'all be nice, now!

rae hart - SLC is an awesome city. They have the best mayor in the country - Rocky Anderson. It's hard moving - I've done it a lot over the years but life is an adventure. Enjoy.

I heard Ed Schultz say that Reid, Pelosi and Dean (The Three Musketeers?) may have to intervene in June? This contest is getting so hot. My goodness.

"He takes a huge pounding from the other candidates, not all of them, not my candidate, John McCain, but I think that is — that's demoralizing to me," Laura Bush said.

Well lady, he's just a demoralizing kinda guy, you know!?!

Quote of the day by JOan:



Hillary and Bill Clinton need to seek professional mental health and soon. They are losing it, you can see it in their faces more and more every day.

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This has turned into a mud wrestling match. I don't want a street fighter/mud wrestler for POTUS. The Clinton's have enough money to retire to an island somewhere. They've worn out their welcome on my tee vee. LOL

Oh dear - I should add I don't want the Clinton's on *my* island.

I saw some the the health documentary.. it's great... builds the case for the progressive value of Equality.  Inequality causes stress, worrying about not having health care causes stress, etc. Stress takes years off your life.

 It clearly and scientifically shows how the Failed Conservative Value of inequality has failed. The conservative value of authoritarianism has health effects..  Values have consequences.