Dean is first!

This ad made me laugh out loud. enjoy... http://www.clearspring.com/widgets/47e7d...

 Suing DNC for discriminating against white people in FL, using Rule 11 to get to the Supreme Court.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2024

Pretty pathetic, huh?

strip the teflon off condi.  start protesting at stanford, too.  how about a waterboarding skit?  make it friggin hard for 'little miss first.'

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excerpts from 'winning ugly in texas and sparring in pennsylvania,' the washington spectator, april 15, 2008...

commenting on the '3 am ad'........."'They won it ugly,' said an Austin political consultant associated with neither campaign. 'They lied about NAFTA and ran on fear.  What they did will come back to haunt the party in Texas.

[snip]

"The consultant was present...at the January 1993 'Austin summit,' when then-Governor Ann Richards brought Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari and President-elect Bill Clinton together to promote NAFTA....NAFTA was the centerpiece of Bill Clinton's first term.  [Treasury Secretary] Bentsen was pushing it, and Bentsen's staff was working on it.  It was a priority for the administration, and Hillary was part of the team."

how many of those working class voters, shafted by NAFTA, cast their ballots for hillary?  she hurt a lot of women and their families.

pundits have been wringing their hands about hillary's supporters crossing over to vote for mccain.  well, here's something to think about on the other side.  the passionate commitment of younger voters in texas to their candidate, barack obama, and not to the democratic party is evidenced in down-ballots left blank.  if their guy is denied the nomination, the obama democrats might not come back.  i'll be one of them.

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a good, punching ad against mccain, dnc!

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shoutout to obama's campaign:  start hitting mccain on the privatization of social security and the keating 5 savings and loan disaster.  those will grab seniors.

What the heck is this all about?  Were these young people really repugs?  Why not vote the down ticket?

"pundits have been wringing their hands about hillary's supporters crossing over to vote for mccain.  well, here's something to think about on the other side.  the passionate commitment of younger voters in texas to their candidate, barack obama, and not to the democratic party is evidenced in down-ballots left blank."

HC calls for 2 debates in OR. 

Call ins to the TV station posted the stats just now

54% want them to debate

46% do not 

kos said she "demanded" two debates.  BS.  She asked and challenged.....It's interesting to now watch the news and then see how the CM and net interprets it.  She made NO demands.  Will I end up saying that she's being unfairly discussed in the CM and on the Net?   Stay tuned.

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SALEM, Ore. (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton is challenging her Democratic presidential opponent, Barack Obama, to two debates in Oregon in the run-up to the state's May 20 primary.

Clinton won a victory over Obama in Pennsylvania on Tuesday but still trails in the delegate count. She said Oregon voters deserve a chance to hear both candidates debate on the "real issues" facing the state.

"I encourage Oregonians to pay attention in the weeks ahead; to see how Sen. Obama and I address the issues that people in Oregon care about," Clinton said in a statement issued by her campaign.

Obama campaign spokesman Nick Shapiro said a decision will be made shortly about whether Obama will debate Clinton in Oregon. But Shapiro also said Clinton's call for more debates is "an old Washington game."

"There have been 21 Democratic debates and four one-on-one debates with Sen. Clinton, all televised nationally," he said. "Sen. Obama's focus is on meeting directly with Oregon voters about the issues that really matter to them."

Clinton's campaign spokeswoman, Julie Edwards, said there have been no presidential debates in the Pacific Northwest. She said last week's debate on ABC-TV was the most watched of the presidential campaign.

"There clearly is desire among voters to hear about the issues," she said.

Former President Bill Clinton is scheduled to campaign for his wife in Oregon on Friday and Saturday. The campaign said it would issue details soon on the times and locations of those events.

http://www.katu.com/news/18074109.html 

Well, that was just a kos diary...but look at the discrepancy between the kos voters and the Oregon voters who called into the news station. 

If BO declines, it will negatively impact Oregonians.  A debate would benefit BO, since he's not as well known here as she is and a debate would reach a much wider audience than if he just stumps around.

He'd get to strut his stuff. 

"I'm more optimistic -- the way I interpret those numbers, that means that 7 percent of Americans would consider voting for a black Muslim for president...just kidding. The sad truth is that some racism in America is going to be with us for a long time."

 Ick!

"He'd get to strut his stuff. "

seashell since you said you aren't going to vote, what do you care if they debate?

I'd love to see them fill the biggest venue, throw out the media, no moderator, and do a little Lincoln/Douglas discussion

the crowd would talk about it for years

Good morning, everybody

That was an infellicitous comment, Sea.  Not appropriately respectful.

Did leave a comment on the Condi editorial.  See, they do like to be fed. 

Obama could actually get to 2025 without any more super delegates with a couple of big wins.

I would think Oregon would be pumped up and ready to do the honors.

login still doesn't work--

Howard Dean is first.

Yes he is.

If you can stomach it - here's Hillary putting words into Obama's mouth at the AAM meeting in PA. She gets booed for being cheeky.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/14/...

Gallup has Barack up after bitter-gate.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup...

just wanted to express a little outrage at Clinton's claim she leads in the popular vote, because it eliminates caucus states in the count (and includes the straw poll in Michigan where Obama wasn't even on the ballot)

well, the most valid complaint about a caucus is that it is too hard, takes too much time and effort, so attracts only motivated activists

super delegates are super motivated activists ... you want the support of super delegates while dissing the base? Clinton must not want Iowa's

 Hi Phil,

Frankly, I think enough of the debates.  Let each caniddate hold town hall meetings.  These really haven't been debates anyway; just quiz questions.  Real debates take time, they go back and forth analyzing various points.  Or, the Lincon Douglas Debate format would also serve.

Read Maureen Dowd's article.  As much as she is snide, she hits home with some uncomfortable truths.  Hillary's taunts are like the school yard bully's, but they are getting heard.  She has knocked the train off the tracks, which is probably a good thing in the short run, if Obama can outmaneuver her, and he has to.  

We're talking raw, gut, leave-no -survivors politics.  It makes my stomach hurt, but the world arena is no place for people who can't stand up to it.  I believe careful  reasoning, thoughtful talking will convince the American people, and we have to believe in it, but HIllary like some half crazed drunk will continue to disrupt, catcall, and issue challenges.  Are we still in that stage of development? 

Why I can't spell candidate, I don't know.

Yes, the White House authorization to commit physical assaults on restrained detainees who represented no threat to their handlers was clearly unlawful (though not necessarily illegal since the individuals were acting under the color of law) because such behavior had not been permitted by a legislative act by Congress.

The Bush Administration is trying to argue that government is like any individual, whose actions are classified according to their intent or purpose, not just by the result.  But, intent is only significant in the assignment of guilt and punishment phase of a judicial review and the nature of an act is not transformed on the basis of who does it and that standard doesn't apply ot the agents of  government anyway.  All of their actions have to be permitted ahead of time.  If there is a purpose clause in a law, it's not a blanket "whatever it takes" permission slip.

The recent decision on lethal injection in "capital punishment" cases is a relevant example.  The court ruled it to be a permitted act.  But, it's an act that's predicated on punishment having been determined according to legal procedures.  The big hole in the detainee treatment is that the individuals being held are innocent.  And that's not just a technicality, an assumption that sets a trial (adversarial contest) in motion.  For the simple reason that there is no trial.  You can't posit a technicality in a process, if there is no process.  And, of course, if the detention were a prelude to a trial, then the assaults to extract information would render the defendant technically innocent, anyway.  So, while it may seem like a Catch-22 from the perspective of the captives, it's pretty clear from the perspective of the detention staff that they committed unlawful acts and, at the least, need to be dismissed from their positions.  After proper procedures have been followed, of course.

storms nearby so I have to shut down

planters can't run in mud, food prices are going to go higher

bbl

Pat and Phil, downthread

Yes, America countenances some really negative behaviors from its people because they are lacking in self-restraint.  It used to get them tagged as "ugly Americans"  For some people, the bully is actually an icon and Pat's suggestion that a person has to be able to put up with it shows how come.  Bullying behavior is not sufficiently sanctioned by social approbium.  When rude behavior isn't stopped in its tracks it often escalates into aggression and then we end up having to put people in prison.  Lots of people end up in jail because they are lacking in self-control and, as I pointed out before, a lack of self-control is a consequence of an authoritarian social organization.  If people are externally directed there's no opportunity for them to become self-directed and, if they're not self-directed, they're not likely to exhibit self-restraint.

Hillary's boisterous emissions are an example of a lack of self-restraint.  (that's a scary realization) 

#9 Monica,

 Insightful analysis, Monica.  We certainly do have a bullying mentality in our society, and for some people that represents strength, dominance.  But, I think the world can hardly tolerate that anymore. There is too much complexity, interconnectedness, and frankly too many emergencies that have to be dealt with.

 I liked Obama's contacting Lugar, is it Frank? Lugar, to work on reducing nuclear weapons.  Right away he reached out, not just for publicity purposes as in Hillary's co-sponsoring the flag burning amendment, but because he felt it was a critical issue and he wanted to work on it with Lugar, who is a Republican.  That's the kind of ethics, thinking, and behavior I believe we need so much, but if the old style authoritairan, money-influence-power connections are still in play, that's what Hillary is used to dealing with.  Not good enough and dangerous now. We need to move away from those kinds of politicians.

good morning all.  I woke up to a stomach-turning comment from Carl Bernstein on CNN - you all probably heard it last night, but I pretty much shunned the pundits until this a.m.  it seems some in Hillary's campaign are now facing the fact that she really can't win, but that's okay because she's done so well she can DEMAND the VP slot, setting her up for 2020, when she will still be younger than McCain.  or perhaps even 2012, if the golden boy doesn't do so well.  Obama would need a food-taster/tester for sure. 

change the goalpost, win at any cost - this woman and her campaign crew are simply out of their minds in their lust for power!  this campaign is going to leave mud on a lot of their careers as they continue tp postulate this crap with a straight face.  you know that nasty, demeaning 'c' word we women hate so much?  it pops into my head every single day lately - the trashiest of female insults pops into my head because it's the only word in my vocabulary I can find to describe how I feel about Hillary now. 

but the sun's peaking out onto a greener world this morning!  we had a bit of rain last night after more than a week of unseasonably warm weather and growing things are a couple weeks ahead of themselves now.  guess I'll brew a pot and wander out to see what's newly risen from it's winter bed - maybe it will calm me down! 

Morning Jo,

It's still pretty brown here.  We seem to have gone from a cold, windy winter to hot summer in one week.  There's a high level warning for wildfires out.  I'm afraid we may have a hot, windy, dry summer.

I'm pretty upset, too, Jo, Monica, and Phil.  That's why I'm up.  We need so much to move away from the militarism, violence, aggressivenss, greed, and corruption that we've known for too long in this country.  That Hillary's people will do anythng to disrupt, to gain attention, to frankly destroy makes my stomach hurt.

I'm getting to the point where all I can do is pray  to whatever forces in the universe that will help us help ourselves.  We are such a destructive, no boundaries species. 

Well, off for a cup of coffee. The dialogue as always is important and I believe helps us as we go along. 

hi Phil - sorry to hear you're getting more storms.  I hear the Costcos and WalMarts, etc are limiting/rationing sales of imported rice now - most of them are out of basmati and don't expect to get more for some time.  I'm planting more veggies this year.  we have so many great farmer's mkts in the area that I usually don't bother, but I think this year I'll need to grow more and can, freeze and process more than I have in quite some time.  sending my prayers to the hungry across the globe.

morning Pat - it's lovely to have a morning chat and coffee with you - you are up early!

Jo in Vermont take Ellis's advice to rae and make some tea, eat some chicken soup, spend the afternoon napping in a blanket and turn off the tv. Pat you can too. I may join you.

Fred in OR this MODO is really good so I'm putting your link on this thread.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinio...

Susan Rowe that ad was excellent. It targets Silicon Valley types and does not talk about universal healthcare -- rather about portable insurance -- prolly much less vulnerable to attacks from Repugs.

I think Obama would be better off w/o Trippi who I suspect of being the one saying folks will endorse, then the endorsements don't happen. I also think Obama would be better off if Clinton didn't have a new campaign manager b/c her campaign seems to have taken off since he came on board.

ttfn

BTW, if you paste the code for the Careyoukeep and it doesn't work, you may have to take off the last </object>  That's what Bluehampshire wanted.  DFNH doesn't want the code noway.  Hannah liked it as it came.

as I think back over the primaries, I feel that if CA had started their early voting just a week or two later we wouldn't be in this situation right now.  I really think CA would have gone to Obama if they saw him winning a few before they cast those early votes.  if's dont't really matter now, tho, do they?

good advice Annilow - much of my day yesterday was like that, after another interview and taking my Mom shopping in the morning.  it didn't really help!   but I appreciate your and Mike's advice.  the days I spend with my Grandkids are the days that go by quickly and with lots of smiles - then they go home and I wonder what their world will look like when they grow up.  these are desperate times and the last thing I want is a desperate person leading this country.

7:10 AM EDT

Ah, the TV, the radio, the online -- Election Center 2008 -- well screw the pun(k)di(ck)ts !  It's all distractions from what the grassroots want and need -- the Eyes On The Prize.

Anni - I think Trippi's just chiming in from the sidelines - he was an Edward's guy, wasn't he?  

listening to Washington Journal - a felllow just made an astute comment: this war is the largest earmark in American history.

 I think anyone who posts here and says they won't vote this year should be shunned also.

WTF?? Call yourself independent or whatever.

I call you stupid.

I think investors are running up the rice, wheat prices. anything for a buck.

I was at Costco the other day and this oriental man was loading up two trailers of rice. I said "you really must like rice" He said he had a restaurant. Well buddy, how much rice do you sell?

He had about 40 large bags or rice.

linda - our little local Chinese restaurant serves about 3 cups of cooked rice in their 'small' containers - they really pack it in!  that's another problem Americans need to address - our eating habits and the huge portions we expect.  we're making ourselves ever sicker and poorer.

7:42 AM EDT

learning from each other:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200804230801.html

Sierra Leone: Ugandans Learn From Country's Post War Recovery Experience

The Independent (Freetown)

23 April 2008
Posted to the web 23 April 2008

A four-man delegation from Uganda, which arrived in the capital Freetown on April 16 left on April 22 after acquiring experience on various issues ralating to post- war recovery in Sierra Leone.

The delegation learnt how Sierra Leone "rose from the ashes of an eleven years war". They made enquiries on various issues ranging from resettlement, reintegration, reconstruction and post- war development in general.

...

Bishop Todworg said, "Siera Leone is chosen as a case study because it has had similar problems with Uganda"

Both countries have gone through wars in which they encountered similar problems such as amputation". He expressed admiration for the reconcilitory spirit exhibited by Sierra Leoneans in post-war era. "All that we have seen will be taken to Uganda for the people to impement", the bishop said.

...

Hi Jo, Linda b, Annilow, rdorgan, yes, more coffee, calming down, trusting in the good sense and good will of most people.  Yes, we can do this.  I still believe it.

Linda b are you addressing the thoughts of some of us who said we won't vote for Hillary?  We, my husband and I, are working for local candidates and state candidates.  We will certainly vote.  We've just decided for the first time in our lives we had to draw a line in the sand.  We can't vote for someone we feel will continue the destructive policies we've had for at least the last 7 years.  It's a conscience vote, and we'll vote Green in the presidential slot when the time comes if Hillary is the nominee.

I think when it comes down to it, we all have to live by our consciences, what is it after we have thought, talked, read, studied, the best thing we can do?  I know that all of us just by participating on this blog are activist to some degree. That is good and needed.

Well, back for more coffee and some reading.  The latest National Geographic is all about China.  Peter Hessler who writes about china, his first book River Town, is a featured writer.

Have a beautiful happy day. It makes a difference. 

Talk about an off-putting email.  Dodd used these simulated internal communications to some good effect, but this one is rude.

From the desk of:                                    ROY J. CARTER




April 23, 2008

Ryan,
 
In looking over the calendar, as well as the budget, I am growing increasingly concerned regarding our Get Out The Vote effort.

I just received a notice that on May 10th Dole and Foxx are doing yet another fund raising event. This time in Mooresville, the price tag...$200-$2000 per person.

We are less than two weeks away from the Primary and per our last budget meeting I have not seen movement on the following GOTV needs we discussed:
          
           Get Out The Vote Phone Calls- $1,500
           Buttons and Stickers: $300
           T-Shirts: $1,100
           Yard Signs- $1,200
           TV ad for week before Primary $1,600
           Election Day hand outs: $2,400

We must raise the money we need to come out of this Primary ready and able to meet Foxx head-on.

I know everyone will be busy with their assigned tasks for the DFA/NCAE Rally tomorrow but I want a meeting with the finance team first thing in the morning. Please have a contribution report from ActBlue on hand.

Thanks for all your hard work, let's keep up the momentum for this final push.
It is time to make this happen!

--Roy
http://www.roycarterforcongress.com

From: Ryan M. Eller [mailto:Ryan@RoyCarterforCongress.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:50 PM
To: 'email@roycarterforcongress.com'
Subject: RE: 13 Days Out
 Roy,
I certainly understand your anxiety. We really must come up with this last minute money if we want to show folks that our district is ready for a change. I especially need the resources for direct voter contact.
I will notify the finance team of our meeting first thing in the morning, everyone is very excited about the rally, but this is a priority and the team understands that.
Hopefully some folks will step up and contact their friends and family as well.
 God Bless,
 Ryan
www.RoyCarterforCongress.com

hi Pat - I have to say that if Hillary gets the nod, I will still be voting my conscience in voting for her.  I agree with your assessment of her and under other circumstances I might refuse to vote for her, but I cannot in good conscience allow McCain to become POTUS.  I respect your decision and understand it because I have been fighting with this myself.

as for the conservative values conversation - it's the word conservative that is the clincher for me.  yes that conversation is necessary to address the problems this country (and the world!) faces, I just think they're pointing their fingers at the wrong people.  it isn't just 'conservatives' who are the bad actors - it's evil people.  and there are many evil people who identify as dem or indy, so I will repeat, this bashing all who may be 'labeled' as conservative is bad for all of us.  evil doesn't have another label, conservative or otherwise.  it's simply evil.  jmpov.

I guess everyone has to make their own conscious call.  Does not voting make it easier for McCain to get elected?  How does that affect the Supremes and civil rights issues that affect our kids?If by not voting and McCain gets elected, are the vote withholders partly guilty for enabling the McCain presidency?  The conscious call goes both ways.  I could even say that voting, and not actively participating in a Hillary election (my position and assumes of course, she is the nominee) enables a McCain presidency.So which is more irresponsible?  Not voting and helping McCain get elected?  Or voting the lesser of two evils?  Many on this blog are tired of having to make a shallow choice.  Sometimes, all options are very not very good.  So even if Hillary fails the affordable healthcare issue again.  And drags her feet getting us out of Iraq.  And has an economic plan that still favors the rich more then the poor.  And blathers on about nuking Iran.  And has to drag her useless POS husband along behind her as Bubba tries to take over her Presidency.  She is still bound by the Democratic Party structure.  If she is elected and becomes out of touch with the public desires, like Bubba was, Dems will lose Congress at the midterm elections again.  And it will be an instant replay of Bubba1. 

omg!  is this really Chris Matthews, being honest and blaming the media for letting Hillary's voters think she has any chance to win this?  did hell freeze over when I wasn't looking? (tried to imbed the vid, but it didn't take)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/22/chris-matthews-the-media_n_98086.html

Look.  It's not possible for Hill to get the nomination.  Only peeps in lala land (including Hill) think it's remotely possible. 

It's exceedingly unlikely that McCain will keep from exploding. . . .  Look this is a man who called his wife a cunt (in public, and in front of reporters) after "a long day" -- and that was just campaigning for the Senate. . . .  

So every body: just chill.  

Wow.  The last post is 44, I just posted and showed up at #19.

Danny boy, your time is just about up. . . .  

since it seems that I'm low man on the totem pole today, please note that there are new coomments WAY UP THERE around the #19 mark (may have 'shuffled' since I found them!)

FIX THE DAM BLOG!!!!!!!!!

the crowd would talk about it for years

yes!  any other format would just be so much more media bs.

Asking if Obama supporters will vote for Clinton, should she be the Democratic presidential nominee, is a rhetorical question.  It's a loyalty test for and a vote of confidence for the policies of Chairman Dean, who would clearly favor an Obama candidacy but remains neutral out of respect for the Party and his role in it.  He has ably demonstrated the benefit of a strategy to elect Democrats from all regions of the country, throughout the political spectrum of a big tent party, by appealing to voters who are religious, independent, moderate, discouraged by the political process, or any of these.  His policy represents political pragmatism, not a rejection of doctrinaire liberalism, as anyone who knows about him can verify.

Clinton will not be the nominee.  Her chances evaporated months ago.

Hi Jo and dog soldier,

Both good arguments from you, and yes, they will keep resonating. There's no easy, sure, right all the time answer, and you can count on it that the discussion will continue in our house.  I would have voted for Hillary, but this campaign has horrified me in many ways.  The deception, the willingness to burn the house down to get attention, the use of racism, taunting, etc.  well, I don't have to repeat the list because we all know it now by heart.

Jo, the discussion of conservatism.  I'm thinking you are referring to my rant, and yes, it was, against the Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter spewings.  I think you are right about the term conservative, in that there's nothing wrong at all and much that is right about conservatism. For instance, conserving the environment, conserving principles that have guided us well, being careful not to throw the baby out with the bath in adopting new policies.  In fact, I think Howard Dean has a nice mix of conserative, liberal, progressive, moderate.  I think we all probably do on this blog.

What I rail against is the out of context conclusions, the bias, the name calling, the labeling, the lack of thinking through an issue that ideologues of every stripe demonstrate, and probably at times we all do too.  But, this kind of propagandizing seems to dominate the media and the conversation. When Barack Obama calls for a national dialogue about issues, that's what I believe we most need.  The pundits: Cal Thomas, Joe Scarborough, Chuck Green in Colorado, Mona Charon, George Will, so many have no balance at all and they are basing their conclusions and evidence on assumptions that are down right scary, eg. Cal Thomas and fundamentalist Christianity and Armageddon.

Well, I'm glad you spoke up, and I also agree there are plain, damn evil people out there and probably always will be.  Please, please, please, let compassion for  humanity, good sense, honesty, and a new way of solving problems and talking to one another prevail. 

Puddly, thanks for telling us to chill.  Yes, there's anxiety out there.

And Tom, keep on keeping on with your logic and reasoning.  Whether I'm convinced or not, it's keeps me thinking.

By the way, my father played football for Notre Dame.  I went to the U. of M. football games mainly to hear the band play the Hawaiian War Chant.  I'm hopeless. 

Sorry, Puddle, not Puddly.  hmmm.

I'd beg to differ that Barack is not well known in Oregon. He made a swing through there. Also, when I was in Oregon last night I saw tons of Obama signs - including some in LO, Portland and Eugene. Tons of bumper stickers for Barack - nada for Hillary. He's known now and 21 debates is enough. Clinton is looking for free media. This whole debate issue is a joke.

You can find funnies on Hannah

CAREYOUKEEP

and

John Stewart's IF--YOU 

There is a diary over at DKos that's title reads: *Obama is fighting a two-headed monster - Clinton and the Republicans*. True that. I would add it's a four-headed monster, both Clintons, Republicans and the traditional media. Just read the top stories at Real Clear Politics - one is by Robert Novak, Karl Rove, etc. And another story asking why can't Barack do well with certain voting blocs. Let's turn this around - it's Clinton who can't win the educated voters, the young voters, the AA voters. This has become laughable.

Jo wrote:

 I cannot in good conscience allow McCain to become POTUS. 

Alas Jo, it's not up to you. The Democrats have enabled Bush, now they're givig McCain the presidency.

9:14am

This post will probably be buried like my last one, but I have a suggestion:

Monica said that you're using the same software as DNC--only it works for them.

Ask their techs to please come over and fix this dysfunctional f-king Blog!

9:17am

Pat, thanks for understanding how I fell and especially for this:

What I rail against is the out of context conclusions, the bias, the name calling, the labeling, the lack of thinking through an issue that ideologues of every stripe demonstrate, and probably at times we all do too.  But, this kind of propagandizing seems to dominate the media and the conversation. When Barack Obama calls for a national dialogue about issues, that's what I believe we most need. 

I suppose we've been conditioned to do this - react defensively and ultimately play the same game as the 'evil-doers'!  I know I do, but I try to stop myself when I think like that before I speak/type - as most of you have seen, it doesn't always work out so well....!   from what I've read of political history, it's almost always been this way in American politics, but I can tell you that from my own perspective it escalated to a much meaner level when the Clinton's came to town.  I'm not blaming them for it, because it was certainly their opponents who escalated it to a new level, but I do think if they'd taken the high road a few times we might not be as deep in the gutter as we are right now.  and she's just digging deeper.  if she ''steals' this election she will have done nothing to improve our standing in the world or our own sense of pride.  she has done nothing to elevate the conversation.

lol!  I didn't 'fell', I 'feel'!!

seashell - thanks for your comments on the overnight thread - I'm trying to maintain my 'mental and emotional balance' in this political whirlwind and it seems it's not an easy thing to do.  we have so much at stake. 

as much as this blog is broken, the strength and determination I get from you all is something that I cherish.  you all help to drive away the darkness around us and keep it honest along the way - I've learned so much from every one of you!

Good Morning,

First off seashell your comment on previous thread was downright disgraceful.  I'm beginning to wonder if that is not where all your hatred of Obama is coming from.

Second no more debates, why give her free air time to continue bloodying up Obama.

My husband and I are going to be flying to SLC later today, we found out last night he has a final job interview tomorrow morning.  If things go well, which it looks like they have, we will be staying on a couple more days to look around the city.

I really have torn emotions about this, as I love AK.  But my kids are going to be moving to UT later on this year, so maybe everything will be ok.

Just a note, we had a bear mauling in Kenai yesterday, guys jogging, met up with mommy bear and her cubs, they charged, she slapped him on his head and bit his head, then ran off.  He is ok, thank goodness.

bbl

Obama/Boxer

need to watch Jon Stewart clip

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/24/74741/0676/39/502361 

Charlie Cook: Clinton has won some battles but lost the war.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...
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I find it insulting that Clinton is now on the trail spouting the misinformation that she somehow has captured the popular vote. We need an honest POTUS this time.


Bye all. Off to the big emerald city.

Clinton's campaign spokeswoman, Julie Edwards, said there have been no presidential debates in the Pacific Northwest. She said last week's debate on ABC-TV was the most watched of the presidential campaign.

"There clearly is desire among voters to hear about the issues," she said.

ISSUES!?! ....  ROTFLMAO!!!

10:04 AM EDT

a post from the Obama '08 blog:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGCBch/commentary#comments

10:07 AM EDT

Why I can't spell candidate, I don't know.  

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Pat -

Manchurian my dear, Manchurian.

If McCain's people are openly saying they benefit from a 15% racist vote (I don't know if they mean 15% swing or that 15% of actual voters would vote based solely on skin color), then it's really high time for someone outside both campaigns to elevate the issue to national prominence.

I would like that to be maybe someone like Billy and/or Franklyn Graham, who should say loud and clear that the Bible does not condone racism, and that people who believe God has a special covenant with the United States should sit down and wonder if casting a racist vote would be pleasing to God.

He should point out a story that many white Christians keep forgetting or just aren't taught from their pulpits: how Moses married a black wife and his followers murmured and criticized and were punished by God for their bigotry.

I got an e-mail yesterday from a friend that appalled me. This friend is an ethnic Roman Catholic similar in many ways to the contingent of PA voters who were antipathetic toward Barack. The same friend who earlier circulated the "Obama is a secret Muslim" e-mail and got shot down by another person on her DL.

Well last night she sent out one asking us all to pray about whether Obama is the Antichrist. So this time it was my turn. I may not have changed her opinion but I made sure I'd never receive another e-mail like that ever again.

It's getting awful, all the tarnish on the concept of what we were supposed to be. I hate that I now live in a country that condones invading and occupying small nations we don't like, that has parsed out a definition of torture so that we can legally torture, and that can't seem to have the maturity to pick a candidate based on any other criterion than physical appearance.

I hate what our flag is forced to fly over.

-- volney

"Congressional Democrats are backing away from healthcare reform promises made by their two presidential candidates, saying that even if their party controls the White House and Congress, sweeping change will be difficult...Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), a member of Senate Democratic leadership and a key Hillary Clinton ally who also sits on the Finance Committee, said he is 'not sure we have the big plan on healthcare.'...'Healthcare I feel strongly about, but I am not sure that we're ready for a major national healthcare plan,' Schumer said...Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), a Clinton supporter who sits on the House Ways and Means Committee, said "the money is not necessarily there right now" to enact the plans."

There's a lot to unpack here.

First and foremost, to those in Washington who say the nation should just wait for Washington to act on health care and wait for Democrats to win control of Congress and the presidency, this story exposes the glaring failure of that strategy - especially as states move forward into the breach. Health care reform has to be a dual effort - at the federal level and at the state level. And most likely, real reform is going to start in the states - in part, because Democrats in Washington are so afraid of their own shadow and bought off by Big Money interests that they are now acknowledging that they are no serious about fulfilling their health care promises.

Second, you'll notice the right-wing arguments being made by Democrats in this piece. Schumer, like a reliable Fox News anchor, tells us that America isn't "ready" for national health care plan, despite polls over the last decade showing strong support for such a concept. Likewise, Meek - playing right into the Grover Norquist "drown it in the bathtub" mantra, claims the federal government doesn't have the cash to pay for a health care overhaul - even as Congress continues writing blank checks to fund the Iraq War.

Finally, this reminds us of the need for progressives to focus on building a social movement, rather than exclusively on winning elections. Democrats are effectively saying that no matter how many elections are won, they will not move forward on the most pressing domestic issue. That's because there isn't yet a powerful social movement putting constant pressure on both parties - and instilling fear in both parties. The infrastructure that has been built in recent years is largely partisan rather than movement-oriented - that is, aimed at buttressing the Democratic Party, regardless of what it does. If we are to get health care reform, it will require a movement - not a party.

9.

Monica Smith
Thu, 04/24/08

...Lots of people end up in jail because they are lacking in self-control and, as I pointed out before, a lack of self-control is a consequence of an authoritarian social organization.
If people are externally directed there's no opportunity for them to become self-directed and, if they're not self-directed, they're not likely to exhibit self-restraint.
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That’s the conclusion, I must say!

However, the “social organization” controlled by Central Government is clearly an authoritarian one, which contradicts all of your previous assertions about progressiveness and usefulness of Central Government!

What’s up Monica, something changed?

Florida teachers and students can now legally question and debate evolution in classrooms!!

We move forward by going backward here.

"Syria's top envoy to Washington said the CIA briefings were meant to undermine diplomatic efforts with North Korea, not to confront Syria. Why, Moustapha said, are "they repeating the same lies and fabrications when they were planning to attack Iraq? The reason is simple: It's about North Korea, not Syria. The neoconservative elements are having the upper hand."

He added, "We do not want to plan to acquire nuclear technology as we understand the reality of this world and have seen what the U.S. did to Iraq even when it did not have a nuclear program. So we are not going to give them a pretext to attack Syria."

So the war is acting as deterrent to other states to stay free of weapons programs. That is from their own mouth. Is that a good thing?? Do you support that deterrence? Or does it make you feel like a bully?

11:46 AM EDT

another SSSSSSLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWWW day today, regarding super delegate movement, etc.  (well, back to watching the Galapagos Islands tortoise race in slow mo)

11:59 a.m. EDST

Where the hell is the new thread?  

came back in to find more comments posted but d*mned if I can find where on this busted piece of cr*p

lifeline puddle?

http://eatapyzch.blogspot.com/

Fox has a new piece of garbage, up some.  But save your scroll finger. . . .  

thanks puddle

another news story about ethanol causing high food prices and then the story is about rice ... zero connection there

not a peep ever about paving over fields and sprawl

not a peep ever about paving over fields and sprawl

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When I came here 14 years ago, there were several 500 and 600  acre farms to the right of #33 traveling to WV from Harrisonburg.  All housing developments now.  Break your heart. . . .  

65.

Pat in Colorado
Thu, 04/24/08

...What I rail against is the out of context conclusions, the bias, the name calling, the labeling, the lack of thinking through an issue that ideologues of every stripe demonstrate, and probably at times we all do too...
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“We all do too� because no one can’t get around the reality!

The ideology IS IN reality of injustice and inequality. It IS IN reality of centuries long fights to eliminate those injustice and inequality..., fights NOT negotiations!

One can’t be unbiased, it is fiction, mirage. One can only be on one side of this fight or on the other..., there is no third, “unbiased� side.

oops:

no one can’t get around = no one can get around

12:26 PM EDT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/zachedwards/gGCBRX

Will Lead Simultaneous Early Voting Events Statewide Today at 1 PM

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FULL LIST OF MAYORS ENDORSING SENATOR OBAMA

Terry Bellamy, Mayor, Asheville
Leni Sinick, Former Mayor, Asheville
Linda Blackburn, Mayor, Ahoskie
Frank Wilson, Mayor, Bolton
Loretta Clawson, Mayor, Boone
Kevin Foy, Mayor, Chapel Hill
Mark Chilton, Mayor, Carrboro
Harold Weinbrecht, Mayor, Cary
Harvey Gantt, Former Mayor, Charlotte
Linda Ingram, Mayor, Conetoe
Darryl Moss, Mayor, Creedmoor
Malcolm Johnson, Mayor, Dover
N. Carnell Robinson, Mayor Pro Tem, Dunn
William Bell, Mayor, Durham
Cora McFadden, Mayor Pro Tem, Durham
Perry Blanks, Mayor, East Arcadia
Warnie Bishop, Mayor, Enfield
Roy Bell, Mayor, Garysburg
Yvonne Johnson, Mayor, Greensboro
Keith Holiday, Former Mayor, Greensboro
Mildred Council, Mayor Pro Tem, Greenville
Horace Reid, Mayor Pro Tem, Hertford
Matthew Block, Mayor, Laurinburg
Phil Bazemore, Mayor Pro Tem, Monroe
Eulis Willis, Mayor, Navassa
Lewis Brown, Former Mayor, Navassa
Jerry Merrick, Mayor Pro Tem, Navassa
James Knox, Mayor, Northwest
Randolph Voller, Mayor, Pittsboro
Charles Meeker, Mayor, Raleigh
James West, former Mayor Pro Tem, Raleigh
Estelle Sanders, Mayor, Roper
Perry Dixon, Mayor, Sandyfield
James Mill Sr., Mayor, Scotland Neck
Melvin Broadnax, Mayor, Seabord
Howard Morgan, Mayor, Sedalia
Wilbert Harrison, Mayor, Speed
Ethel Clark, Mayor, Spring Lake
Donald Davis, Mayor, Snow Hill
Betty Gholston, Mayor, Wagram
George Draper Jr., Mayor, Weldon
Robert Spivey, Mayor, Windsor
Vivian Burke, Mayor Pro Tem, Winston-Salem
Carl Lee Sr., Mayor, Lewiston Woodville

Come to NC and Help Us Make a Difference

12:26 PM EDT

a SD endorsement today:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

2008 Democratic Convention Watch

Superdelegate Endorsement List

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4-24-08 - Added Rep. David Wu (OR) for Obama

Stay tuned... we'll update this list as we find out more.

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Troops stranded in Iraq, and can't get home. ATA is filing bankruptcy due to the loss of a gov't contract to fly the troops. This is one way to keep our soldiers in Iraq.

Two Vermont Moms complained to their critters that their sons were scheduled to come home and now they can't. Others are being held up from other states.

Send Air Force 1. CNN, DU

Some DFA endorsements--

12:55 PM EDT

up on deck tomorrow:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/fortwayne

North Side High School
475 E. State Blvd.
Fort Wayne, IN 46805

Friday, April 25th, 2008
Doors open: 3:00 p.m.
Program begins: 4:00 p.m.

Public Entrance: Door 4

The event is free and open to the public

...

Please recommend. Thanks!

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/25083...

rae hart - I went back and read through the last thread and I can't find anything disgraceful posted by Seashell. What was it you found so upsetting?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/24/...

I really agree with most of this KOS diary --

a quote

While Obama is in the driver's seat for the nomination and for victory in the fall, he and his campaign need a re-boot. He seems tired and un-refreshed, and there is an element of mojo missing from the man and his message. Some of the luster is off and he needs to re-capture the shine and the magic. In a word, he needs to adjust. The good news: it's well within his power to do it.

"I'm more optimistic -- the way I interpret those numbers, that means that 7 percent of Americans would consider voting for a black Muslim for president...just kidding. The sad truth is that some racism in America is going to be with us for a long time."

 Ick!

Pat, I didn't write this.  Is the "ick" directed at me?  Or at the truth?  Or lies?  What's with this? 

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Good Morning,

First off seashell your comment on previous thread was downright disgraceful.  I'm beginning to wonder if that is not where all your hatred of Obama is coming from.

Rae, what exactly is your problem?  What the hell comment are you referring to?  I thought I was  posting about OR and debates here and call-ins and kos diaries.  You'd better put up that quote or apologize to me NOW!  And check out your own inner hatred.

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rae hart - I went back and read through the last thread and I can't find anything disgraceful posted by Seashell. What was it you found so upsetting?

Thank you, Annilow.  I did not post anything disgraceful.  Perhaps Rae and Pat didn't read carefully or .....?????

Maybe some of you don't want more debates, but the majority of Oregonians do.

Phil,

Doesn't matter if I vote or not.  It's the principle I'm standing up for.  Everybody deserves to vote but I can't control what will happen after the next two weeks.

Toxic people on blog.

Bye. 

Join DFA Trust Today!

2:19 PM EDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/24/...

I really agree with most of this KOS diary --

a quote

While Obama is in the driver's seat for the nomination and for victory in the fall, he and his campaign need a re-boot. He seems tired and un-refreshed, and there is an element of mojo missing from the man and his message. Some of the luster is off and he needs to re-capture the shine and the magic. In a word, he needs to adjust. The good news: it's well within his power to do it.

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Annilow -

I give great credit to Obama and his campaign for going this far and this long toe-to-toe with the Clinton machine.

Has any other candidate been able to do this ?  (in the history of the 35 years+ that the Clintons have been running for office ?)

Sea, #42. previous thread.

Quote, no attribution, appears to be your summary.

"'I'm more optimistic -- the way I interpret those numbers, that means that 7 percent of Americans would consider voting for a black Muslim for president...just kidding. The sad truth is that some racism in America is going to be with us for a long time. The interesting question is whether political strategists are talking about "the race vote" because it exists, or because they plan to foment it. "

My response to "Black Muslim for president" ICK!  Appears to me to be a slur.

If not, how not.

 All posts are there for response. fair.

Off now for errands. 

9.31 was the spread in pennsylvania.  round that down to 9%.  clinton did not win by double digits in a state where she had family roots and which was custom-made for her demographically.

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big-state fallacy.........clinton took california, but she apparently cannot hold it.

*barack has pulled ahead of hillary in the hollywood atm race.

*hillary is statistically tied with mccain, but barack is ahead and outside the margin.  [this is significant, b/c a repub maverick became gov in the recall election of a sitting dem gov.  don't buy clinton's argument about calif being in her pocket.]

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from THE WASHINGTON SPECTATOR,

Doesn't matter if I vote or not. 

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I have to knock on twice as many doors as I should have to every fall, because seashell's give a shIt attitude (or whatever)is widespread.

sadly it does matter because if caring people don't vote the bastards win

2:29 PM EDT

For myself I'v enoticed that I've lost some of my luster and shine and mojo and shine and magic,  just by watching this prez dem campaign cycle go this long --

-- imagine what it's like for a candidate that didn't have a campaign machine up and running until little over a year ago ?

I have to say the level of discourse here is in overtime.

Just cause your choice Hillary is going  down in flames. - who's fault exactly is that - someone other than you??

You know how upset I was when Howard dropped out? Did I blast another candidate. NO.

I was upset but I don't think I ever went berserk.

And if at this time in our country you don't vote for a democratic candidate then you deserve to be shunned.

Hillary has made her bed. she let Bill cause a lot of trouble.

I said it before. If she had left Bill at home, it would have been much better. Why does she need him? So he can have a "talk" to us and tell us how great she is?

I saw how she handled the people on NY and won on her own. Now she has a bunch of goons out their destroying her campaign. Who's choice was that ?? Mine, yours?

So go and shout at the ones who made this mess _ Hillary Clinton, Mark Penn, Wolfson, Mc Awful, Carville, etc.

Don't come here and insult us or me or any Obama supporter.

Oh and please bring up the fact that he is black. He is also white.

And I won't vote for McSame cause he is old, mean, rude, and adulter, a poser, a loser. Can't even walk across a stage without almost falling down.

I was just old by a Clinton supporter here in my area that I wasn't welcome to post on her blog cause I had the tenacity to say Hill didn't win by 10% but by 9%. They don't want to listen.

So if you want to stay home, do ti. but don't come here and spread it around like a bunch of crap.

We are going on to win this election in Novermber with our without you.

Natural Health for Pets

Walmart Selling ‘Toxic’ China Made Pet Toys

By now I think most everyone knows that China has been killing our pets with food and treats but you now add ‘toxic toys’ to that list!

Rather than try to summarize it, I thought I’d let you read it and draw your own conclusion. Personally, I would NEVER allow my babies to come in contact with these hazards!!

This from Consumer Affairs

Two Chinese-made toys for pets sold at Wal-Mart stores contain elevated levels of lead, chromium, and cadmium, according to a forensic toxicologist whose lab tested the products for ConsumerAffairs.com.

Two veterinarians, however, said the levels of toxic metals found in the toys do not pose a health risk to dogs or cats. Whether the toys are a hazard to children and adults who handle them isn’t clear. ...full post: http://naturalhealth4pets.petloverstips....

Phil....

C'mon, it's not Seashell's fault, nor yours or mine. Put the blame and frustration on the two Parties. That's why we knock on doors.

Mother has a tough time returning toxic toys

All Emma Piszczatowski wanted was some new toys, but instead the 3-year-old got an earful of adult drama yesterday at Wal-Mart in La Salle?.

Emma's mother, Caroline Paré, 29, arrived at the Newman Blvd. outlet with her daughter to exchange four toys that have been recalled as unsafe by Mattel: a truck and two babies from the Dora collection and a magnetized Poly-Pockets character.

Despite news yesterday that Wal-Mart's official policy for all its 290 Canadian stores is that recalled toys are to be refunded with or without receipts, Paré said she was rebuffed by store manager Éric Laplante because she had no proof of purchase.

Paré bought all the items at that Wal-Mart, she said.

"I showed him The Gazette with the story about the refunds," Paré said. "He threw the paper in my face and said, 'I don't read the paper and I don't care.' "

Anyway, Paré said, the store's list of recalled toys had only six items on it, although Health Canada lists 98 products for children as being recalled since July.

Paré was furious, and left the store without buying anything, her teary-eyed daughter in tow.
"She didn't understand why she couldn't play with her toys," said Paré, who also has a 5-month-old daughter, Ashley-Skye. "It's not the money, it's the idea behind it. It's their product, and if it's poison, just let me get another toy."

Paré said she is especially worried Ashley-Skye will suck on a toy that has a high lead content in the paint or choke on a detachable part.

She estimated the total value of the toys she wanted to return at $65. ...full post: http://wakeupwalmart.com/news/article.ht...

2:51 PM EDT

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Toxic people on blog.

Bye.

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http://www.animationlibrary.com/animation/31008/Air_freshener/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATu-WhQ8IsY

Phil. the bastards are going to win anyhow. The Democrats have accomplished the (nearly) impossible.

NEW (PROGRESSIVE) PARTY NEEDED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

2:56PM

Phil I'm glad you're finally speaking up here and perhaps seeing what some of us have been seeing for awhile. You make a good point. The lack of action on some in America (not singling anyone out here) makes it all the harder for the rest of us to make up for their lack of making a choice.

9.31 was the spread in pennsylvania.  round that down to 9%.  clinton did not win by double digits in a state where she had family roots and which was custom-made for her demographically.

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BIG-STATE FALLACY.........clinton took california, but she apparently cannot hold it.

*barack has pulled ahead of hillary in the hollywood atm race.  the clinton campaign, which is financially drained [despite all the hoopla about new money pouring in via the internet], is steamed.

*according to a reputable, calif-only poll [calif pub policy institute], hillary is statistically tied with mccain, but barack is ahead and outside the margin.  [this is significant, b/c a repubublican maverick became gov in the recall election of a sitting democratic gov.  don't buy clinton's argument about calif being in her pocket.]

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from THE WASHINGTON SPECTATOR, apr 15, 2008.....

if we want to peer into mccain's economic brain, we might look to former tex senator phil gramm, who retired from congress soon after the enron scandal broke.  [his wife, wendy, sat on the enron board.]  a convoluted, 262-page amendment attached to an omnibus appropriations bill in late dec 2000, the COMMODITY FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT "had no hearing before any committee and was unread by almost every member of Congress.  It mandated sweeping deregulation of investment banks, declaring off-limits to regulators most over the counter derivatives, credit derivatives, credit defaults, and swaps....They are familiar today because the unregulated trading of them had a great deal to do with the near-death experience of the Bear Stearns investment bank.

[snip]

"Fortune magazine describes John McCain's economic policy as 'vintage Gramm.'  McCain's recent argument against government relief for homeowners facing foreclosure recalls Phil Gramm's killing of a deregulation bill in 2000 that he had otherwise supported--because it would have provided reduced-rate mortgages for low-income government employees."

in addition to the iraq war, this is another issue which starkly contrasts obama and mccain--thoughtful regulation vs hands-off.

clinton's position is not as stark.  how can it be when she is invested in hedge funds, and her daughter is employed at one owned by a big clinton campaign donor?  rather, hillary's 'solution' is to throw taxpayers' money at the problem, as she has stated for attacking the home foreclosure crisis. 

9.31 was the spread in pennsylvania.  round that down to 9%.  clinton did not win by double digits in a state where she had family roots and which was custom-made for her demographically.

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BIG-STATE FALLACY.........clinton took california, but she apparently cannot hold it.

*barack has pulled ahead of hillary in the hollywood atm race.  the clinton campaign, which is financially drained [despite all the hoopla about new money pouring in via the internet], is steamed.

*according to a reputable, calif-only poll [calif pub policy institute], hillary is statistically tied with mccain, but barack is ahead and outside the margin.  [this is significant, b/c a repubublican maverick became gov in the recall election of a sitting democratic gov.  don't buy clinton's argument about calif being in her pocket.]

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from THE WASHINGTON SPECTATOR, apr 15, 2008.....

if we want to peer into mccain's economic brain, we might look to former tex senator phil gramm, who retired from congress soon after the enron scandal broke.  [his wife, wendy, sat on the enron board.]  a convoluted, 262-page amendment attached to an omnibus appropriations bill in late dec 2000, the COMMODITY FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT "had no hearing before any committee and was unread by almost every member of Congress.  It mandated sweeping deregulation of investment banks, declaring off-limits to regulators most over the counter derivatives, credit derivatives, credit defaults, and swaps....They are familiar today because the unregulated trading of them had a great deal to do with the near-death experience of the Bear Stearns investment bank.

[snip]

"Fortune magazine describes John McCain's economic policy as 'vintage Gramm.'  McCain's recent argument against government relief for homeowners facing foreclosure recalls Phil Gramm's killing of a deregulation bill in 2000 that he had otherwise supported--because it would have provided reduced-rate mortgages for low-income government employees."

in addition to the iraq war, this is another issue which starkly contrasts obama and mccain--thoughtful regulation vs hands-off.

clinton's position is not as stark.  how can it be when she is invested in hedge funds, and her daughter is employed at one owned by a big clinton campaign donor?  rather, hillary's 'solution' is to throw taxpayers' money at the problem, as she has stated for attacking the home foreclosure crisis. 

HQ, what happened to my long post?

3:10 PM EDT

up on deck for this Sat:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/marion

Marion High School
Bill Green Athletic Arena
750 W. 26th Street
Marion, IN 46953

Saturday, April 26th, 2008
Doors Open: 8:30 a.m.
Program begins: 10:30 a.m.

The event is free and open to the public

...

If this were a Repub Blog, we would be attacking Dems. not each other.

and the fact that my post put up 5 minutes ago is 20 posts upthread really sucks.

107 is where this post should be.

let's see where it goes.

What I want to know--------if you aren't going to vote, why are you here??????

to complain. get a life.

Hey Danny, can we get a new thread anytime soon?

All the pix posted are murder for the dear bloggers that only have access to dial up in their areas.

Thanks :)

Grampy McC wrote a letter to the RNC Nc saying that he doesn't approve of their Rev. Wright ad now appearing. Grampy must have added a ps to the letter saying disregard the above.

Grampy is a liar and a hypocrite.

Well, Hillary's statement that she had no part in the decision or prior knowlege of it may be technically correct.  Bill made the decision all by himself and he didn't bother to tell her ahead of time that he'd planned a biig surprise--letting a bunch of bombers out of jail.  What I can't figure is if there's some sub-conscious self-destructive urge present here.

Why bring up Ayers, who hadn't ever planted any bombs or been convicted of a crime, when that would bring up not just the two women whose sentences had been commuted but trigger the resurrection of the bomber pardons?  And why is Dick Morris so mad at them?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/24/133219/015/827/502598 

109.

Huron John
Thu, 04/24/08


NEW (PROGRESSIVE) PARTY NEEDED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

2:56PM
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Nope, imo, we get to get rid of all parties, all professionals ("professional leaders")...., lol, it's hard to make up more funny words sequence: leaders who are professional ones!?

Where, from which college they've got those professional degrees ...lol?

Maybe the staff is in Winston Salem with Jim Dean and Mike Cooper at the big bash for Roy Carter. Go DFA and Roy!!!!!

Phil I'm glad you're finally speaking up here

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my posts number in the thousands over the years, and they aren't all peace and brotherhood either

I didn't mean to single out seashell personally, just express frustration that politics is so hard for the most part because a lot of voters aren't paying close attention, so you have to pay more attention to them because they are likely to vote in that condition if you don't make an effort to inform them, (like six times, because they didn't hear the first five)

probably should just try and manipulate them or snow job them, or get them angry like the reThugs do because an informed vote counts one just like a jaywalker all star vote

anyone that has to see the 22nd debate between Obama and Clinton because they weren't paying attention for the first 21 though is the straw that broke my camels back I guess

there is a titantic struggle going on in the Democratic Party right now between K Street and the grassroots for control, and damned if we didn't luck out and get an extremely talented man to take our side, and a pure example of the other group to take theirs who is also a dogged, tough, smart experienced lady making for one heck of a contest

both groups have to stay in the tent to win in November, and thanks to the Republicans the issues that unite us are the cultural issues they use to divide us

but even though on the surface there has been no platform fight develop between Clinton and Obama doesn't mean that the end product through Washington won't be hugely different if the people are at the table

so I can slightly understand seashell's confusion because maybe there is nothing in it for her (other than a country that has been taken back)

a new thread has appeared :-)

3:37 pm est

There's a brand new Susan Rowe thread!

(hopefully this comment lands at the bottom)

Many thanks to Karen for the new thread post - mine landed up at 97.

#$%^&*

3:46 pm est

New thread for the guys stuck in the middle with me.

http://blogforamerica.com/view/25083#comments