9:14 PM EDT

Howard Dean is first.

9:15 PM EDT

Patrick Buchanan is last.

Video Obama dusts himself of debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR9DNfqGD4&eurl=http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/obama_criticizes_debate_says_h.php

Phil, she may have high negatives but she also has a whopping number of women who would vote for her as VP.

I was thinking BO/HC 

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You are thinking like a die-hard liberal.  Those people would vote for any Democrat so you are back to a zero sum gain.

However, there are many apathetic Independents (and moderate Republicans) in this country and very few would vote for Hillary regardless if they are male or female.  Don't put too much stock in the women for women thing - it doesn't apply to Hillary.  She (and Bill) have too much baggage and too many negatives that started in 1992. 

Seashell...

Thank you for posting about the fantastic conversation between Rachel and Keith about Hillary's ecallation of her position on the ME.

Why isn't everyone talking about that? I almost fell off my chair last night when she said what she did. Keith said it was the most important statement of the campaign.

"She (and Bill) have too much baggage and too many negatives that started in 1992." 

 Yeah, but he's still the only two term Dem Prez since FDR.
I'd like to see how much a President Clinton could accomplish in these ASPSE  
(After Special Prosecutor Statute Expired) days.

Many media elites have tried to make the Clintons go away from 1992 til now.
That B&C doggedly fight on just leaves the chattering class bitterly clinging to their perogative of pounding out invective on the keyboards or spitting it out thru the microphones.  

1992

Presidential election results map. Red denotes states won by Bush/Quayle, Blue denotes those won by Clinton/Gore.

not exactly a victory - more like a gift

1992

Clinton     43%

Bush        37.4%

Perot      18.9%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_presidential_election

Howard may have been dropping a little hint to the SDs today. He still is saying that they should wrap it up by the first of July, but today he said that the SDs should step forward with their choices. Also, the RNC is answering Howard's comments. They still think they need to beat him.

s/b they should step forward with their choices, starting NOW!

Presidential election results map. Red denotes states won by Bush/Quayle, Blue denotes those won by Clinton/Gore.

1992 election

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_presidential_election

 Yeah, but he's still the only two term Dem Prez since FDR...

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Yea OK, I'd support Robert Rubin and Robert Reich for President, sooner than Bill and Hillary

Another Hillaryism

"People died in those [weather underground] bombings"

The only people who died were weather underground bomb-makers.

If I recall correctly one nightwatchman did Fred.

Interesting fact that Yassar Arafat was actually  promoting Bush (the son) over Gore in 2000, because he felt the Palestinians were treated more fairly under Bush (the father) than under Clinton.

His logic was that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  He later realized how wrong he was.

If I recall correctly one nightwatchman did Fred.

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My information was from a guy on The NewsHour from FactCheck.com about five minutes ago.

I think duddle is right and the factcheck dude wrong, and someone died when the Madison math building was bombed

OOPS!  Shoulda googled first.  No deaths but weathermen in the bombings; 1 policmen and one guard in the Brinks holdup.

seashell from last thread~ BO does not debate well.  HC does. 

2004 - Bush does not debate well.  Kerry does. 

Seashell -- so why did the Rife machine get thrown under the bus if it worked?

Nite all - long day.

puddle

Phil

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16 February 1970 – A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing

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This is the only death i can find attributed to the WU but there doesn't seem to be an proof it was their bomb, and doesn't look like they ever found out who did.

Maybe you can find something I missed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29

Obama is a cool dude

consider how different the race would be today if Hillary had said after about ten minutes "would you two juveniles knock it off and start asking about issues that matter"

she could have left the race in dignity instead of being tarred by that fiasco

who bombed the Madison math building? I thought the weather people did that

of course more people have died celebrating sports teams victories but still ...

Karen not to worry Detroit is safe on that score

yesterday was a free infomercial for McCain, that has to have Howard riled up

Annilow

be careful around the protest 

Ratings, criticism big for ABC debate
Gibson, Stephanopoulos draw fire for 'shoddy' work

Did you watch ABC's Democratic presidential debate from Philadelphia?   * 8838 responses 
 
 Yes.
72% 
 
 No.
7.7% 
 
 Some of it.
21% 
 
 Was too much time spent on questions about campaign gaffes, past associations and flag pins?   * 8774 responses 
 
 Yes, the moderators played "gotcha" instead of focusing on serious issues such as the war and economy.
81% 
 
 No, it's important that candidates answer for their past statements and associations with controversial people.
16% 
 
 I'm not sure.
2.4% 
 
 Have there been too many debates in this primary season?   * 8786 responses 
 
 Yes.
60% 
 
 No.
40% 
 
 Have you learned anything about the candidates from these debates?   * 8810 responses 
 
 Yes.
48% 
 
 No.
16% 
 
 The longer the campaign's gone on, the less I've learned from the debates.
36% 
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.

Bay Area LBAM aerial spray program over populated areas

Area population will be breathing plastic.

I want to make sure everyone knows two pieces of the spraying for the LBAM.

See line 8 on page 5 of Mirkarimi's resolution. The pheromone is contained by "microscopic plastic capsules" which go into the lungs and stay there. Nobody wants to breath plastic!

The spraying is planned as much as: "LBAM biochem-spray is not a one time application, you will be sprayed anywhere from every 30 days to every 90 days, every year until 2 life cycles past the very last moth found."
from http://w ww.lbamspray. com/    I've also heard three times a month, nine months a year, for five years...

http://www.lbamspray.com/

Activists posted fliers and held meetings, but could no longer rally support.

"People were tired of it," Howard said.

Across the country, anti-war demonstrations declined dramatically.

"I've never seen anything change so quickly," said Michael Zaleski, the prosecutor who eventually brought criminal charges against Karl Armstrong. "Before the bombing, there used to be 10,000 to 15,000 kids rioting in this city every week. Everything stopped. I remember there being just one event after that, with a couple of hundred people - and half of them were FBI agents and undercover cops."

http://www2.jsonline.com/news/state/aug00/sterling20081900a.asp

Keith just ripped ABC a new a$$hole!

From the previous thread
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24971...

This ridiculous 'new' DFA logo looks like something that has been manufactured in China and is being sold wholesale at Sam's Club or Wal-Mart. Somebody at HQ must have been spending too much of their time in Arkansas these days. It's new but it's NOT improved. DFA changing it's branding right before an election is just not a very fiscally responsible idea.

Fred ~~ This is the one I was thinking of.  And it wasn't a night watchman, and it wasn't the weather underground. 

The Sterling Hall Bombing that occurred on the University of Wisconsin–Madison campus on August 24, 1970 was committed by four young people as a protest against the University's research connections with the US military during the Vietnam War. It resulted in the death of a university physics researcher and severe injuries to four other building occupants.

NY Times on Hillary's failure to capture Super D's. In other words - the attacks aren't working against Barack. So what are they waiting for?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/us/pol...

Fred ~~ This is the one I was thinking of.  And it wasn't a night watchman, and it wasn't the weather underground.

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That was nice of you to do all that research - thanks, I don't think the weather underground intended to kill.  They had sincere intentions of stopping the bloodshed.  They only thought that drastic  times required drastic action, but one must consider in the bigger picture.  For all their notoriety, they were not as radical as the soldiers at Kent, that aimed at and killed 4 people for protesting on their own campus, and the resistance movement might have saved lives by ending the war earlier...

new thread

nite all.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24974...