Howard and Barack are first!

I second Karen's firstie.

The best is that Republicans think Obama doesn't revere the United States because he doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel, but they do because they fly the flag in all kinds of storms and weather until it looks like a used paper towel.  For them, patriotism is all show.  What you say and think mean less than what corny display you thoughtlessly produce for others.

Bush started wearing the flag pin after 9-11 which was fine. But since Iraq, it represents his third-finger salute to the rest of the world.

Barack wants change, and imo, that's why he refuses to wear one because to do so says "I support Bush".

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Good point - after 911 it was

Flags           flags          flags

United we stand

United we stand

United we stand

It was not true patriotism, it was a mantra to war.

Chuck Todd and the Times are full of shit - the polls are going to tell them so soon

Jeff,

You make important points in your blog.

But Congress tries to get things done but most everything of importance has been filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate to the tune of 65 times in this Congress alone.

You can't get things done when the votes are not there! The solution is to get busy and give Obama at least a dozen more responsible senators in November.

There are 21 Republican senate seats up for grabs this November, most of which have been filled by rubber-stampers who have tried everything to stall the Senate. We need to rubber stamp them out of office as well as a couple 12 Democratic senators.

Elect Obama, give him at least 60+ responsible senators and a few more willing representatives, and we can get these things done.

By our Congress not acting on war crimes planned in the White House we are leading towards a secret rendition of our "leaders" to the Hague for their redezvous with justice and that will be a lot more traumatic and divisive for the country than any Conyers hearing.

Finally a debate that was more than a simple production to make both candidates look good like on MSNBC. They actually had tough questions to answer and Barack's performance is summed up with...............................a long pause........a misplaced andecote that misses the point................some more pause.....and for the first time in this campaign he looked (on his face) over his head. Hillary's performance was simply running around pouring salt in the wounds opened up by his own ineptness. These are probably the only two democrats in the world that could lose this election to a Republican. It is like missing a gimme put from 3 inches. What a joke. When will the adults show up and rescue this party.

Chuck Todd and the Times are full of shit

Fred,

They certainly are. Todd has become somewhat of a whore in a very short time. Just six weeks ago he was giving his stats which showed Hillary would have to win all the rest of the primaries with at least 65% of the vote.

Now he is playing the MSM game of Keep the Horse Race Going by lying about stats and pretending his old ones never existed or are now something completely different. He simply isn't credible any more any more than most of the other pundits on MSNBC.Todd seems to be out of his element and uncomfortable with what is expected of him in this new game, while the other lie comfortably.

FRED from Ashland OR
Thu, 04/17/08

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Fred, see I believe my daughters have the right to choose & make their own decision about their lives even if I don't agree with them. And many times I haven't because I could see the handwriting on the wall. But they have to make their own decisions, once they're an adult. I can voice my opinion to them, which I do, but it's really their decision, always. Many times they've said, no, don't tell me because you're probably right & I'm not ready to accept it, yet.

I'm not for Hillary because she's a woman. I'm proud that a woman is in the hunt for the presidency, but I've only recently begun to lean her way. I've been on the fence for a long time. I like Obama, but I'm concerned about him winning in Nov. I know most here are not. I really sincerely hope you're all right

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Thanks for the response.  My remarks were triggered by your saying it would be nice to have a woman president.  Your daughters, and their individuality  were not the subject at hand.

But IMO - role modeling is a very important reason for a woman being president, not for just saying woman can do anything, but more importantly the person, their life-story, then also becomes a model for the new woman - for girls growing up.  As time goes by, those girls will hear the whole story of what she's done and didn't do, how she voted, and how she campaigned.

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Tom Bearse
Thu, 04/17/08


The best is that Republicans think Obama doesn't revere the United States because he doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel, but they do because they fly the flag in all kinds of storms and weather until it looks like a used paper towel. For them, patriotism is all show. What you say and think mean less than what corny display you thoughtlessly produce for others.
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Pretty old story and he still hasn't compromise on that though could!

Because to be not, as you've said, in a "show off" business is a PRINCIPLE, uncompromising one!

Fox wrote "These are probably the only two democrats in the world that could lose this election to a Republican. It is like missing a gimme put from 3 inches. What a joke. When will the adults show up and rescue this party."

Thanks for the Rush Limbaugh update.  What should the superdelegates do, select Gore in a brokered convention?

It is also a role model that says "women can do great things, if she has a great husband or father to help them"

That is not true, but it is the message our first woman president will telegraph.

How many bloggers here have said the same thing as this idiot. Answer below:

"Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt Wednesday over the U.S. version of the Sept. 11 attacks, calling it a pretext used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.Although Iran has condemned the 2001 al-Qaida attacks on New York and Washington in the past, this was the third time in a week that Ahmadinejad questioned the death toll, who was behind the attacks and how it happened.
"Four or five years ago, a suspicious event occurred in New York. A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed but never published their names," Ahmadinejad told Iranians in the holy city of Qom.
Under this pretext, the U.S. "attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then a million people have been killed only in Iraq," Ahmadinejad said in the speech broadcast live on state-run television."

Too Many. At least you will not be alone on your fantasy island.

"Todd seems to be out of his element and uncomfortable with what is expected of him in this new game, while the other lie comfortably"

See eg. Keith Olbermann

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Fox Mulder
Thu, 04/17/08

...Barack's performance is summed up with...............................a long pause........some more pause.....

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Yeah, some people able to think "on a fly" instead of making "nucular" warnings while reading...lol.

Fox wrot "Too Many. At least you will not be alone on your fantasy island."

So you're saying the invasion of Iraq was not on a pretext.

I got this in an email today:

I'm outraged about last night's presidential debate on ABC, and you should be too.

ABC dedicated the entire first half of the debate to recycling the same junk news stories about the candidates' personalities and past associations that have been circulating endlessly in recent weeks.

At a time when we are facing life and death decisions about health care, war, climate change and the economy, ABC went for fluff and innuendo. No wonder so many people are misinformed or don’t pay attention to politics.

Last night made a mockery of this election and gave us a stark view of Big Media's impact on our democracy.

We have to do something. Instead of just switching channels, we need to demand better media.

Tell ABC: We Want Quality Journalism, Not Junk News

Media is the lifeblood of our democracy. But as our media falls into fewer and fewer hands, real journalism is being replaced by cheap infotainment and rank sensationalism. Newsrooms are being squeezed, foreign bureaus have been shuttered, and serious issues are simply ignored.

We can do more than just throw open the window and scream, "We're not gonna take it anymore."

Last night's debate is just a symptom of a much more serious sickness afflicting our media system. The root of this problem is bad policies that let Big Media companies like Disney -- which owns ABC -- get so big. It's up to Congress and the FCC to roll back media consolidation.

But it's moments like this that wake people up to the dire state of the media. Help spread the word.

Tell Your Friends: Support Quality Journalism

We deserve better media; we need better media. Let’s hold ABC and Disney accountable -- and fight for media that we can count on.

You can visit Freepress' website at:

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The headline from the debate was Hillary saying Obama could win and that she would suport him if he gets the nomination. The whole farce was worth it just to settle that issue.

When will the adults show up and rescue this party.

Well, Fox, apparently you could never fill that bill. You make no sense.

Fox Mulder
Thu, 04/17/08
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Actually, Fox, the Iranian President may be basing this theory on, well for starters the assasination of JFK and the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" which WAS fabricated and led this country into Vietnam.....................do you dispute, at least the Gulf of Tonkin charade at least?

There are many other noteworthy fabricated incidents that led a country into war for whatever reason...........take the sinkng of the RMS Lusitania(proven to be carrying contraband) that Churchill and the British denied at the time, this led to the US entry into WW1.............

The German Reichstag fire...........I could go on and on..........................

Nice clip Phil of the new polar bear. This video is longer and better than the short ones being played on the MSM.

Fox Mulder
Thu, 04/17/08

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I don't defend Ahmadebajed.  He's no better than Bush.

Bush did insult the people who died at WTC by using them as an excuse to start an invasion and occupation about oil and no bid contracts.

Popping in to say hello and to tell you that Wolfie just said he'd be talking to Howard "coming up" on the Situation Room - CNN.

in light of the absolutely moronic line of questioning in last night's 'debate', what
i'd like to see is an immediate progressive movement to totally boycott ABC
indefinitely.

HA!

i *just* received this link.....

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

chilimac wrote "i'd like to see is an immediate progressive movement to totally boycott ABC
indefinitely."

I started mine long before the debate was aired.

catching up on threads

Rife invented a cancer cure in the 30s and vilified and called a quack.

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Royal Rife developed a cancer cure in the 1930's which was surpressed he was maligned and called a quack.

With this money Rife built a research lab in San Diego in the 1920's, where he set out to find a causative agent for cancer. His expertise in such diverse areas of engineering allowed him to excel quickly and build every part he needed in his own machine shop.

By the early 1930's Rife had built microscopes capable of viewing living viruses. He found that each species of virus pulsed with a specific frequency. Through years of arduous research he began to find disruptive frequencies for various viruses, using the theory that he could vibrate a microbe with 'coordinative resonance' until it is overpowered and dissolves.

In the laboratory Rife found two viruses which he associated with the presence of cancerous tumors. One of these, which he correlated to carcinoma, he called the 'BX virus' The other virus, correlated to sarcoma, he called the 'BY virus'.

Rife found frequencies which disrupted the growth of the virus and dissolved the tumors. He called these frequencies the 'Mortal Oscillatory Rate' or M.O.R. for short.

Rife's work has essentially vanished from the radar screen of the general public and the medical establishment. Why? Click here for part two (link here) of this report, to find out more about this overlooked hero.

(c) Copyright 2006 Joshua Parker All Rights Reserved Worldwide - you may republish with resource box and hyperlink

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http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ 

Howard will be on Situation Room. Blister says "comin' up."

seashell :-)
Thu, 04/17/08

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Did you catch 60 minutes last Sunday?  There was something about killing cancer cells with RF waves.

Phil, who do you think will send them there?

we are leading towards a secret rendition of our "leaders" to the Hague for their redezvous with justice

fox, the adult was in the debate, trying most of the time to get the kids to grow up.  if Obama wins, we'll have the best chance of 'saving us' you've seen in a long time.  in spite of your doubts.

No, Fred, but I've known about Rife for years.  Let's see if this gets any traction.  People who seem to be in the know say that a cancer cure has been around for many years and been stifled by big pharma.  Wouldn't surprise me.  Maybe now that our critters are being afflicted so often, a *cure* will occur.  Or maybe they've been using Rife for years and we don't know about it. 

What a surprise that of all the bloggers here that is would be Mike and Fred would jump to Ahmadebajed defense.

"It was another step downward for network news — usually dependable anchors, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, turned in shoddy, despicable performances.

The fact is, cable networks CNN and MSNBC both did better jobs with earlier candidate debates. Cable news is indeed taking over from network news, and merely by being competent."

And from Bunch, an open letter to Gibson and Stephanopoulos calling their performance "a televised train wreck that my friend and colleague Greg Mitchell has already called, quite accurately, 'a shameful night for the U.S. media.'"

Alessandra Stanley of the NYTimes focused on "the veiled ties and tensions between news media stars and political figures" which "sometimes make voters bitter, leading them to cling to political satire by the likes of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert as a way to explain their frustration."

4:37 - just saw HoDe on cnn - flipped to msnbc when he was done and they were announcing that he was 'coming up' - lot's of questions for the Gov, today!

fox, they weren't defending him, they were just reminding you of a few facts about this country's history.  although you may have forgotten or denied that history, believe me, the enemies we've made over the decades have not and sticking your head in the sand will not change that fact.

there's your  'war on terror'.

What a surprise that of all the bloggers here that is would be Mike and Fred would jump to Ahmadebajed defense

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You are a ball buster, Foxy.  I did nothing of the kind, I just compared him to Bush - Two of a kind - Bush just has more sophisticated PR folks.

Todd, like all the others, will say whatever his bosses tell him to say.  and that's ususally whatever will stir the pot and keep people tuning in.  the long wait for PA has been a blessing to them but they have to keep it stirred up or people will tune out until just before the election.  they don't have to make sense or be accurate - it's high priced ENTERTAINMENT!

Joan~ Thanks for posting your email... sent ABC my letter!

Tom~ Maybe they listened to me!

Hasek out, Osgood in for Wings

No, Fred, but I've known about Rife for years.  Let's see if this gets any traction.  People who seem to be in the know say that a cancer cure has been around for many years and been stifled by big pharma.

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I see it a bit differently - that big Pharma is too busy making unbelievable money with the status quo modus operandi, that they are not really looking for anything else. 

BTW they are in cohoots, through corporate ties, along with the insurance industry, into supporting the chemical industry that causes most cancers IMO - and keep spinning in the media that it is more of genetic factor about who gets cancer.

Genes load the gun, but environmental toxins pull the trigger.

The insurance companies have a stake in keeping toxins in the human ecology out of the spotlight because if people knew the truth, it would break their bank throw liability litigation, no company or entity tied to the chemo (chemical) industry could pay the premiums.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/17/133315/933/640/497684

Stewart and Colbert obviously have better script writers.

Jo*in*Vermont
Thu, 04/17/08

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We put, Jo, it's easy to forget the carnage and pain we've caused because we can walk away with just a small fraction of it, those in our military.  But the "ground zeros" of that damage don't easily forget.

Like the half dozen palestinian children killed yesterday.  We support Israel but we turn a blind eye to their ruthless indescriminate high-tech cat and mouse game - blindly pounching from  their billion dollar jets.

The parents of those children don't turn a blind eye, I assure you, and won't forget for 100 years either.

Middle East experts endorse Obama:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

Stewart and Colbert also seem to have a better connection with the truth!

Speaking of 9/11, did you all know that the corner stone for the Pentagon was laid on Sept 11, 1941?

Art Student at Yale enduces multiple abortions for *art*.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

I'm pro-choice but this is just sickening. And to think that my daughter was wait-listed at Yale and Dartmouth and this nut got in...

oh, and did you know that there's a little cafe in the middle of the five acre park in the interior of the Pentagon that's known as "ground zero" because the Soviets thought it was a very important spot and targeted it with missiles?

Watergate-era Republican endorses Barack.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

The people on the TV talk shows are all scripted.  They don't write their own material.

When the Pope was a Cardinal, he was against the Iraq War.

http://www.comunione-liberazione.org/articoli/eng/1/nowar.html

He also wants Israel to take responsibilty for Paliestinian strife.

Here is a site I think has a pretty good count of superdelegates.

http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

Barack is within 19.

Fifty Killed in Iraq Suicide Bombing
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041708A.shtml
Sinan Salaheddin, writing for The Associated Press, reports, "A suicide bomber struck the funeral of two anti-al-Qaida Sunni tribesmen in a town north of Baghdad on Thursday, killing at least 50 people, police said."

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And when we REALLY go into Afghan and start bombing Iran, these numbers will look small.

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Let's go to the convention and draft Al Gore.....please.....pretty please.   Our two dems are left best in the Senate where they will keep on funding ME wars...and sucking up to AIPAC....unless we have a Kucinich or Dean prez or VP.  I know...not likely.

JE was the candidate talking constantly about going after the corporations and that means the CM.  What we saw last night will continue if we don't have a prez who's not afraid to bust some cajones....starting with the CMWs. 

The debates should be run by the League or Women Voters and I don't know why that was taken from them...becuz they're women? 

Gore/Kucinich/Dean....a girl can dream. 

The thread topic is good.  We already tried.  We voted in enuf dems to reach 41.  They have failed us, so what's left?  Ya think 60 votes will do it?  75?  maybe 100?

How long do we keep hoping? 

I agree wholeheartedly. So much so that I  am considering backing McCain for president in hopes the outrage would provoke people to stay involved and try to make change. I mean I know that Bush is horrible, a criminal and a traitor, but we should not turn a blind eye to the  collusion some of our congressional representatives are engaged in. There is blame enough to go around and to do nothing but point fingers at Bush and ignore the actions of those in our party., Nancy Pelosi is inexcusable and outrageous, using her office to block attempts to bring the administrationto justice?..We have to support candidates that will support the constitution and bill of rights

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24971#comments

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 Joan wrote:

But Congress tries to get things done but most everything of importance has been filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate to the tune of 65 times in this Congress alone.

That's DLC Republicrat Bullshit.

They had, and have the power to shut down Iraq--41 votes, count em.

 They have the power, bjt not the will. As such, they're complicit in Bushco"s crimes

From the previous thread.
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mary vb
Thu, 04/17/08

I agree. That is just disgusting. It's a typical Yalie's elitist attitude and behavior. Every time I read report about a study that has come out of Yale, I cringe. The one they did about health care was written for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries' stock market projections as far as I am concerned. After I read it, I wondered who funded their grant.

read report s/b read a report

  Not everything requires a certain amount of votes. Take the continued funding of the Iraq War. The Dems caved in last year on time lines for withdrawal. Every time Bush used the veto, all the Dems had to do was send the bill back but INSIST on time lines for withdrawal. They didn't need the votes for this. They just needed to stay firm and not back down. They backed down to the bully in the White House giving him what he wanted. If they stood their ground, Bush would have realized that his war would be over if the Dems wouldn't fund the war anymore. Bush would have known it's time lines, or no more war funding. Bush would have known he had no choice but to accept the time lines for withdrawal provision. The last thing he wants is for the funding to be discontinued because his Pres legacy would be disastrous. His legacy is all he really cares about. 
  I'm waiting to see if the Dems cave in on granting immunity to the Telecoms. Again, they don't need a number of votes on this. Just stand firm and insist that any new FISA bill includes no retroactive immunity to the Telecoms. When Bush uses his veto, send it right back still insisting on no immunity! What's so hard about this?
JM in NY