Dean is first and so is Health Care For All!

(Fresno, CA) A Symposium Towards A National Health Care Program: http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24901...

seashell - previous thread. You are so right about gasoline being so much higher in other countries. I remember the Mercedes Benz Smart Car in Switzerland. Lots of them. Minis everywhere. Ford made a lot of very small, fuel efficient cars for Euro. countries. I had a small Audi in Zurich which got good mileage.

White haired women for Obama. This is great!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

The thing about gas prices is that the rest of the world has been paying 4,5, 6 dollars or higher for many years.

People in other countries drive small cars.

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Health care:  We elect too many pols who really don't give a dammmm. (repugs)  Plus the words "socialized medicine" scare people who are still living in the past of boogie men and Iron Curtains.

Maybe we could call it compassionate wellness care..or compassionate illness prevention..or leave out the compassionate. 

Healthy living for all!

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Yes, Huron, sad but true, and of course HC will be blamed.  If either campaign were running a truly good race, the dialogue would be about impeachment, leaving the ME for good, the I/P horror, repealing of the MCA, Patriot Act, restoring the Bill of Rights, closing GITMO, the cessation of torture, the prosecuting of putzco...the list is endless and both cands are avoiding it all....quite on purpose IMO.

Seashell, mary vb gas may be expensive in other countries but I was always under the impression this was largely taxes and that the taxes largely went to health insurance, which if course we don't have.

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Well said seashell........I think you , me and huron are the only ones left around here not intoxicated with "hope".......................to me its a page right out of Ronald Reagan.............got ya, well..........nothing basically.

Health care for all. Is that so hard to understand for the rock-headed Republicans?

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Sorry if this has already been posted. I found it very telling about Clinton's inability to keep the attention of a crowd. That leads me to believe that they support her for other reasons, like keeping the status quo, or getting a woman (any woman) elected POTUS.

From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

PHILADELPHIA -- Hillary Clinton was forced to cut her normal stump speech short when a chatty and meddlesome crowd kept her from grasping their attention. Clinton, who was addressing the Philadelphia County Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, spoke for just over five minutes, despite having the press arrive almost two hours beforehand.

The crowd never settled down during her remarks. A spokesman for Clinton denied that she cut the speech short, and told reporters that Clinton was advised by her Pennsylvania team to deliver “a short speech" given the set up of the event.

In previous party dinners, most recently in Butte, Mt., Clinton spoke for almost an hour to a crowd that seemed to be paying attention. The aide said this was a “different type” of J-J Dinner, primarily because people were not seated at tables, and were “milling around” the banquet hall.

Whether or not Clinton’s reception at the dinner had anything to do with her recent attacks on Barack Obama remains unclear. Clinton has never delivered a formal speech in such a short amount of time. The most recent abbreviated speech was back on February 15 when Clinton spoke to a crowd at a Lockheed Martin plant in Akron, Ohio. The speech lasted for just 12 minutes, with the first applause line coming 11 minutes into the speech.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/14/politics/fromtheroad/printable4014458.shtml

If either campaign were running a truly good race, the dialogue would be about impeachment,

Not if the candidate wanted to be elected in November!

Annilow - You are correct but I think seashell's point was this: Because other countries have such high prices - they drive more fuel efficient vehicles.

Mike wrote "Well said seashell........I think you , me and huron are the only ones left around here not intoxicated with 'hope.'"

I'm not so sure since you insist on supporting only people who are not on the ballot.

from philly.com:

Tonight I had an opportunity to ask Barack Obama a question that is on the minds of many Americans, yet rarely rises to the surface in the great ruckus of the 2008 presidential race -- and that is whether an Obama administration would seek to prosecute officials of a former Bush administration on the revelations that they greenlighted torture, or for other potential crimes that took place in the White House.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

if either dem candidate was talking impeachment, the lunatic right would be engaged like they haven't been since the last time impeachment was on the table - remember the insanity, folks?.  imo that would be an excellent way to lose this election.  I would prefer to wait unitl after we have a dem President and then move forcefully to put every one of the criminals in prison.

whether an Obama administration would seek to prosecute officials of a former Bush administration on the revelations that they greenlighted torture, or for other potential crimes that took place in the White House

I heard BO answer that question very intelligently about having his AG investigate.

That is what will and should be done. Investigate, indict, prosecute and lock 'em up for good! Can't wait.

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Well said seashell........I think you , me and huron are the only ones left around here not intoxicated with "hope"......
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Wow!,

I can only be sorry for people who are not intoxicated with "hope" once in a while...lol, it's so boring.

If either campaign were running a truly good race, the dialogue would be about impeachment, leaving the ME for good, the I/P horror, repealing of the MCA, Patriot Act, restoring the Bill of Rights, closing GITMO, the cessation of torture, the prosecuting of putzco...the list is endless and both cands are avoiding it all....quite on purpose IMO.

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I'm with Jo, on this one: you just outlined the absolute way to lose bigger than we've ever lost.  Under your scenario NOT ONE SINGLE STATE WOULD VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

General rule: You can be *right* or you can be *effective*. . . .  

h/t steve r at Daily kos

From Harry Reid:

It was one of those typical questions from a reporter gaggle on Capitol Hill: Does Harry Reid think the protracted nomination fight between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will harm the party?

Reid didn't miss a beat.

"It makes me bitter," he deadpanned.

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New diary--Air Force update

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/15/153111/257/42/496264 

my neighbor fell 18 feet off a ladder and was medivaced to surgery the day before spring planting and then trucking a bull this afternoon I blew up the rear end of my 12 year old truck, luckily after he was off because I'll be truckless for awhile, and too busy helping my neighbor to blog(living in the present sucks sometimes seashell)

but I'm not bitter(turkey hunting season is on)big debate test for Obama because he has to be "Presidential" without any hint of "condescending"

bbl

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0...
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This is Obama's response ad to Clinton's ridiculous ad. This guy will not be swiftboated. I can't believe anyone thought this guy was a political wimp.

There is a huge story that is not getting attention of either the MSM or mainstreet America. That story is about the Republican filibusters taking place in the US Senate so that just about nothing is getting done there.

Today, all day, the Democrats have been speaking on the matter in the  Senate. The Republicans have filibusters 65 times in this Congress, yet nobody seems to be paying attention, especially corporate media.

Today was supposed to have an hour or so to have some tecknical corrections made to the Higway Bill, but Republicans are filibustering even that to slow things down in the Senate.

This is an important story for the Dems to get out there if we expect to replace these obstructionists with people willing to get some work done. Where is the outrage and where are the reporters and media who are locked into an eternal gaze on the primary election? There is more to report on that what a candidate's pastor is saying or what another candidate is drinking in a Pennsylvania bar.

Phil - Sorry about your truck. I hope your neighbor is okay. That's too bad. I get nervous when my husband is outside on the ladder.

Harry Reid - lmao!  good one, Harry!

puddle, I was just thinking that Howard might be needing more $$ with this latest attack from HRC and friends, so I went flipping through back threads looking for your link - I gave up after a few and figured I'd do it later and - voila!  there it is on the new thread!  thanks for posting that each day!

Joan - it would be great if one of the candidates brought up the filibuster info on the stump - I think it would be helpful for them to be talking about it and what they could/would change as Pres.  most people are sick of the stalemates and the Congress' approval rating is almost as low as George's.

Phil, take care!! You hear?  Puddle's got a due date coming up in a couple of weeks. . . .

Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to "immediately review the information that's already there" and determine if an inquiry is warranted -- but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as "a partisan witch hunt." However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because "nobody is above the law."

OK, I'm gonna get flak for this, but this is, IMO, BO's biggest flaw...not wanting to rock the boat.  We all know there was willful criminality.  We all know that the bridge to partisan co-operation is dead, dead dead and what's happening right now is further proof.  He perhaps is hoping that he can bridge the divide.  

Neither of them seem to want to go after Bush.  So be it.

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Ya, Phil, the present sucks at times.  I'm sorry about your truck and am amazed at how many hats you wear.  :-)   

Monica,

Re: "The Truman Show?" Pleasantville?

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I remember. Very strange folks. Now we have all those "reality shows". We can blame it all the Simpsons.

Yes, possibly if either of them brought up impeachment,...well, what would happen?  Would the dems vote for McC?  I don't think so.  What votes would they lose?  They would both have to talk about it tho.  Altho maybe HC should try it and see what happens...it just might help her greatly.  And if so, the BO could start talking about it.  At least put out a feeler..........

I don't think we're going to go forward very well without having the guts to say what needs to be said and heard.  We have to quit being afraid of losing, whether it's an election or a *war.*   JMO

CLINTON & McCAIN vs OBAMA

Re impeachment, Joan andTom both seem to feel it would be a negative for the Dems--something about being politically pragmatic.

Tom cites the Republican impeachment of Clinton, which came within a dozen or so votes of conviction. He also suggests that the pugs lost politically over it.

Not so I noticed. They retained control of Congress (upping their majority) and held on to the WH.

Some Loss!

As I've pointed out before, we hanged a lot of Germans and Japanese for the same crimes that Cheney-Bush and their despicable cohorts have committed in our names.

As such, the Democrats are obliged under the Constitution to Impeach--even if they can't convict.

They'd gain politically, for doing the right thing.

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Phil - I hope you aren't truckless for long!  I'm looking forward to the debate tomorrow - it just might be a barn burner!  it certainly should get a good audience and I hope they clear a few things up for the voters.  ONE WEEK to PA!

I heard that Hillary's PA powerbrokers were surprised to hear that she doesn't have the cash to hand out street money.  tsk, tsk.  if true, I'm sure we'll hear more about it - if it's a smokescreen to cover up the flow of cash, I hope we hear more as well!

Today, all day, the Democrats have been speaking on the matter in the  Senate. The Republicans have filibusters 65 times in this Congress, yet nobody seems to be paying attention, especially corporate media.

And true to form, the Dems have been refusing to filibuster--on FISA, Mukasey, and most importantly funding of the Iraq occupation.

41 votes would end the war, and ensure a Democratic electoral victory.

They're complicit cowards.

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it just doesn't make sense to me to bring up impeachment until you have a strong body of evidence compiled.  just because it 'said so' in newsprint will not impeach a President.  folks have been working on this for several years now and the biggest chunk of evidence they're waiting for has been held tightly, under orders, while this administration stonewalls Congress.  with a dem admin the folks who are 'holding' the papers for this prez will be compelled to comply and then the smoking guns will tell the tale.  why create a premature distraction from all the other things we want/need to accomplish?  just to prove we have the guts to 'put it on the table'?  do we wanna play tuff, or smart?

Watched about 10 seconds of the Nazi Pope and our Fascist President grinning and scratching on the Tarmac.

6:34pm

it just doesn't make sense to me to bring up impeachment until you have a strong body of evidence compiled.

I would suggest that you read Dennis Kucinich's articles of Impeachment of Cheney.

 That's strong evidence.

6:36pm

do we wanna play tuff, or smart?  

I dont want us to "play" period.............

There's more than enough evidence to impeach.

6:39pm

Jo

I'd rather we lose the next election than stand by while the Constitution has been gutted.

MARGARET KIMBERLY ON "RATZI THE NAZI"

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=579&Itemid=1

Why would American media, politicians and average citizens welcome a Hitler Youth member who personally worked to insure Bush's re-election and who openly praised the genocide conducted against American Indians? If the man in question becomes pope, it obviously doesn't matter what he says or does. Otherwise sensible people suddenly act like illiterate medieval peasants and fight to kiss his ring.

Since his elevation in 2005, Benedict has proven himself to be among the worst, most retrograde popes in modern times. Worse even than his predecessor, John Paul II. John Paul's iconic "pope mobile" and international visits gave him the appearance of a warm and cuddly spiritual leader. Yet he was every inch a politician, and a right wing one at that.

John Paul personally and forcefully opposed the liberation theology movement that swept Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, was just like his boss. As head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which used to be called the Inquisition, Ratzinger crushed all efforts to question church authority or promote leftist political activity. Known as "God's Rottweiler," Ratzinger forced Fr. Leonardo Boff, the father of liberation theology, to retire to a monastery and shut up about liberating oppressed people.

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There's a new thread

http://blogforamerica.com/view/24910#comment-1188163 

I'd rather we lose the next election than stand by while the Constitution has been gutted.

I don't consdier taking the time to make sure we can convict on multiple crimes 'standing by'.  once that circus begins, everything changes - not just the primary campaign. 

if impeachment were brought tomorrow I will hail it as much as anyone, but I personally believe that we aren't 'there' yet, in the sense of having the best case or even a reasonably good case that is ready to go.  I don't know - perhaps we don't need to be so ready, as whatever else it would certainly take a long time to go thru the process.  if Jon Turley or some other Constitutional scholar of his caliber (or one of the DAs working this up) tells us it's time, I'll push as hard as the rest of you!