Howard is first and seashell is not intimidated. 

What Sam said............... 

Someone wanna send Hillary out duck huntin' w/Cheney?

I hear he's a great shot (they can do Crown Royal shooters, too).

My father took me target shooting in a gravel pit when I was about 8 yrs. old.

 Yes, it's a Maine tradition w/the rednecks (better than in the woods).

Scared the shit out of me--I took one shot, and that was it for Moi. 

I'm delighted to learn that Seashell is not intimidated!

Me too! Howdy seashell ♥'s

zipping in and out...

puddle ~ I'm guessing you're top post is to say Howard is most first :-)

later

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

8:15 pm est

But Seashell, aren't you concerned about the blatant and unsupported propaganda (even worse than the WMD BS) pushing this country toward attacking a sovereign nation that poses no threat to anyone (including Israel, which is once again trying to drive our ME policy)?

We have continually screwed over Iran since 1950, and the maniac in the White House seems determined (with enthusiastic support from neocons and McCain, and no real opposition from Democrats, including HC and BO) to destroy yet another ancient civilization.

8:18 pm

Me too Seashell...

Tom Bearse
Mon, 04/14/08
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hmm, well print doesnt lie..........all I can say is.typo...........substitute Obama for Clinton.....11/27/07 only other thing is some of you wer acting like little kids that day and I simply said that to, well....................you figure it out.

Phil Specht
Mon, 04/14/08

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Phil,

IF Im wrong about Mccain then that simply signals that this countyr may be on the verge of growing up now and joining the ranks of "civiilized" nations..................also, more importanltly that those who have assisted in ushering in the last 8 years by allowing Reagan in 2x, Bush 1, and Bush 2 2x may have discovered the erors of their ways..................

This would be a good thing then.............and the start of a long process of reflection and hopefully change........................I wont hold my breath though

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Obama

Please opine why he would use the word punish.  And please remember that I'm the messenger....and pro-choice.

Both candidates are shooting themselves in the foot IMO.

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Huron, I post on the I/P inequality on days that I feel like being called an anti-semite.  LOL 

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Obama

Please opine why he would use the word punish.  And please remember that I'm the messenger....and pro-choice.

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You *don't* think forcing, say, a thirteen year old girl to go through pregnancy is exactly the kind of "punishment" the right wing has in mind for such transgressions? Same goes for, say, AIDS. . . .  

 What are you unable to see about this, sea? 

Hillary's Neighbors Invade PA for Barack

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/14/13389/5052/824/495482

It's the word "punishment."  It's a harsh word, too often used and acted upon in this society ... we live in a very punishing society and keeping up the punishment mentality isn't hopeful.

I would have said, "We need to teach contraception so that young women like my daughters don't have unwanted pregancies."

His wording was interesting enuf, to me, to warrant a discussion, that's all.  

I see your point of view, puddle.  Can you see see mine?  :-) 

It's not a right/wrong, good/bad thing. 

Some people here claim that words are very important.  OK, why use that word?  How will that affect the voters?   

I think Obama's uses the word 'punish' in association with what some might call 'a bad situation' because that's often what oppressed, surpressed, (even bitter!) people do - they associate the 'bad luck' of their personal situation with a punishment - some as in a punishment from God, some as in a karmic punishment for past actions and some just use that terminology.  jmho.

and that's not to say that I think Obama is/was oppressed, suppressed or (bitter!) - but I do think he understands that feeling from his experiences with so many different cultures and communities.

spot on Jo!!!

re: Some people here claim that words are very important. 

I'm on that list - but I think the totality of what a person thinks and says is more important than parsing a word here or a word there - Obama admits that he's sure to be inartful from time to time.  from reading his book I've realized how deeply he understands people - he really, truly listens to them and I believe that much of what he learns becomes a part of him.  he learns and grows along the way and I respect the lessons I've seen him learn and the corrections he's made along the way.

The MSM keep going on and on and on about a non-issue.

Why isn't this being reported?

Bill Clinton, China linked via his foundation

A firm that has donated to the president's charity is accused of collaborating with the government in its crackdown on Tibetan activists. Hillary Clinton has spoken out against China's actions.

http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-na-clintonchina13apr13,1,498104.story

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Or this?

The Most Offensive Comment Yet

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-most-offens.html

If you are naive and just too young to cope with adult decisions, and suddenly you find that the life you had a right to plan has been taken away from you, and you are expected to just accept this and not salvage your life, what would you call this? Punished sounds about right. A girl, not yet an adult being forced to take on such responsibility for life, that is certainly being punished.

you folks are on a roll tonight...love it!!!

hi Reed! thank you and good evening to you.  wasn't it lovely to have had some sun today?  how are the rivers and streams doing in your neck of the woods? 

Thankful, lol!  I wasn't first when I posted it, sea was.  Ah and well.

athlete's foot 

great logo, mainefem!  Hillary can't complain about that one - she started that conversation....

rae - we really do need to see a complete list of the donors to that foundation of Bill's and/or at the very least to his presidential library.  we need to know who might try to call in their chips if Hillary gets the nod.  I'm not holding my breath, tho, unless the cm keeps picking away and finding these ties.  gee, investigative reporting - that would be a welcome novelty!

Being just another mere man blessed with two delightful, enchanting,amazing,awe-inspiring daughters, I have used nearly the same quote as Senator Obama. Instead of "punished with a baby", I said "spending the best years of your life raising a baby in the spare room in the basement." The meaning is about the same. The real story is that values are instilled and information is freely given. The message I get is that, just like me, Barack will live outside te comfort zone, moving heaven, earth, and dark roads once trod by the Cheney demon to make a better world for those daughters to amaze and enchant in.

And a good eve to you as well Jo! We're still at flood stage down here though the streams and brooks are starting to recede a bit...can pick up road closed signs in the morning on a road that was under water from the Connecticut river.

I'm so sick of the fact that the CM is so out of touch real America.

High water makes for great walleye fishing though and seeing how there's not a lot of folks signed up for sub-committees...might as well go fishing...eh? nod, nod nod!!!

working on calling delegates to make sure they have their own alternate if they aren't going

no one is taking anything for granted here in the Obama camp, we will be at full numbers for the district convention

that should make Edwards finally not viable and free up his supporters to come on aboard and add another delegate to Denver

walleyes shut down on the Mississippi at flood stage so I'm hittiing the trout streams next as the last snowbanks will be gone in the next two days

Yes, it does seem punishing to force a young woman to carry to term.  I would use a word like unwise or unkind.

Jo,

I liked your answer, thanks, and it clarified for me what I don't like about the word.  I grew up in a punishing *you are sinful* church.  The word reminds me of the stern Lutheran minister who tried to convince me that unbaptized babies go to hell.  

And then there's bush punishing and torturing small animals, and then later punishing *criminals* in TX by executing them.

I don't like the word.  Nor do I like to think about the people in our jail system.  Or Shock and Awe...or the treatment of the Palestinians.  That's when I would use the word *punishing."

Thank you for the great responses....all of them. 

Steve

I have usually hired young men and the line I use with them is "thinking with your gonads can get you into more than you bargined for" "use your head, instead"

great to have a candidate sure enough of himself to speak freely isn't it?

yes seashell where would Lutheran pastors be if they couldn't lay guilt trips on the congregation

Phil, that was  the MO synod.  I don't think other Lutherans are quite that harsh.   I hope not.

Lutheran Reformation preaching of an individual path to Truth is not that different from Islam but you would never get them to admit it

New Mexico DFA was kind of tough on incumbants

yyyeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

speaking of thinking with your gonads this from the BBC:

Printable version

Hormone surges among City traders could be partly responsible for driving "boom and bust" economics, say researchers.

A Cambridge University team found testosterone levels were directly linked to the profit they made.

The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences study also found levels of the stress hormone cortisol could affect the risks they took.

Garrison Keillor has Lutherans pegged seashell

NEW THREAD

puddle

Cute!~

11:40 pm

Eastern Time  
Monday, April 14, 2008