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"Real honesty is being honest about what your possibilities are, what your potentials are. That's where true honesty lies. It stretches us. It's not simply admitting where we are - that's a beginning step, it's not the end step. So be honest about where you are but also be honest about what your possibilities are. That keeps the challenge of the path always before us." (From Thanissaro's "True Honesty.")

Howard Dean is first Susan.

Well, duh, Danny.  Top-down, superior/inferior, that's what conservatives want to conserve--a society that's nicely ordered with some few people telling everyone else what to do.  It has its attractions.  When there are only a few people in charge, everyone else can act without having to worry about making mistakes or doing wrong.  The military will tell you it's the only way to get anything done, to keep a large number of people moving in the same direction, as one.  The other alternative of people doing their own thing runs the risk of people becoming totally inhibited by their mistakes and not doing anything more after a particular destructive error.

So, if we want people to be adventurous, we not only have to provide guidance so they don't make the really big mistakes; we also have to convince them that making mistakes is OK and to be expected.

Hillary, it seems, is not really convinced of that.  The other day she did admit making a mistake but felt it necessary to point out that it "only" proved she is human, which not everyone is prepared to understand.  Including Hillary, it would seem.  Else, why did she have to make such a big thing of it.  One suspects that her psyche was permanently warped by her mean-spirited father who, in turn, seems to have been damaged by his mean-spirited, eviction-minded land-lady mother, Hannah Rodham. 

BTW, discovery5000 is a commercial site offering household furnishings.  Ms Zheng should perhaps be referred to the terms of service.

hey, Phil, "participation in production" seems like a bit of a mouthful. LOL

9:58 AM EDT

On April 22, PA voters will get to choose:

Hillary (NAFTAgate, Bosniagate, Iraqwarauthorizationgate);

or 

Barack (bittergate, Wrightgate)

I don't think it's possible to be honest about potentials and possibilities.  Honesty can only apply to experience; not to something that hasn't yet happened, which is what "potential" and "possibility" refer to.  I'm very much into time and sequence as determinants.  That's probably not a universal concern.  They've discovered that tribe in the Amazon, for example, which has no concept of time at all and sequential behavior is probably acquired by rote and habitual immitation.

"Conservatives place a premium on money and top-down control.  Progressives, on the other hand, believe in a bottom-up structure that is fueled by involvement.  A conservative organization is owned by a handful of so-called powerful and important people and a progressive one is owned by its members."<<<<

^From Danny's front-page.

Idealistically, I agree with Danny's comments.  Sadly, based on results the conservative approach is the one that works.....they win elections:(

10:07 AM EDT

I hope everyone had a good breakfast this morning ?

Well, with rapidly rising food prices, residents of Haiti are reduced to eating dirt cakes, Egyptians and Mexicans are demonstrating in the streets, etc.

WE are ALL in this together and it is time to talk about bitterness, about how societal and personal decision-making has gotten so much into a live day-by-day mode.  The reserves are drying up, the safety nets are being cut and the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.

Bill Clinton and China. The vetting is just beginning.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-...

The dancing around Obama’s “they are bitter” remarks continue. It’s funny to watch how her every attempt to gain on Obama turns against her 3-5 days later. With such style of campaigning by the April 22 she might even lose Pennsylvania…lol.

Whatever Obama says today turns out to be factual truth several days later.

Of course media plays its role, primarily explaining correctly some days later what means what and what facts are. This new, revitalized media’s role as real facts truthful explanatory tool is a direct indication that society as a whole has ripen (if not over ripen) for social changes against which religion, for example, still is one of the very last bastions.

The bellow’s Clinton’s remark is one more point of her prospective failings…, imo. Really while one starting to dig own grave it’s hard to stop…lol.

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080413...

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The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.
Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.
"The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich," she said.
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cChalfonte

discipline is what is required in staying on message in a campaign, and if we have a national candidate in Obama who has given the grassroots a buy in in shaping that message, it is possible that he will be able to resonate bottom up and top down in a unified manner

The volunteers for Obama have been very good about following instruction, so they can be used by the top of the campaign in a co-ordinated method which in the end defines a winning campaign ... best candidate, best message, and best supporter buy-in working as a team

hey, Phil, "participation in production" seems like a bit of a mouthful. LOL  

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I wanted to consider what providing unpaid or underpaid services most often preformed by women that has led to the huge problem of inadequate social security payments for elderly widows just as an example, that economic fairness involves more than the government share of taxes or protecting labor organizers, and used "production" as a measure in an economy that is defined by "Gross Domestic Product", while bringing up questions about what that means

and I could have said "meaningful work", but wanted to give emphasis to  "participation" and the question of a paycheck  

My husband said yesterday was a long day at the caucus but it was rewarding. He is not moving on but voted for some great people to move on to the state convention. He did say that a few of the Hillary supporters were a real turn-off. He said one woman of color got up and spoke up about Obama and said he will never win a general election because he is black. Lots of gasps in the room. My daughter didn't stay the entire day with my husband but she said it was inspiring to see so many young students there participating.

 NorthernIrelandgate

ICriticizedTheIraq WarBeforeBarackObamaDidGate

IPledgeNotToCampaignOrParticipateInTheMichiganAndFloridaDemocraticPrimariesGate

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Obama’s best hope is that Democratic voters aren’t as dumb as Hillary and Bill Clinton think they are.”–Jonathan Alter

Allentown, PA has endorsed Barack Obama.

http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/all-a....

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Monica Smith
Sun, 04/13/08


I don't think it's possible to be honest about potentials and possibilities. Honesty can only apply to experience; not to something that hasn't yet happened…

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Not necessarily, I think.

I’m not sure about scientific definition of honesty (if one exists…lol). Imo, it rather reflects personal adequacy and absence of personal duality. It is when your brain and soul are in sync and you are not afraid to express your thoughts loudly even if those are against widely excepted, official norms (moral or otherwise).

To achieve such a freedom (of not been afraid) requires economical independence on first place(today, luxury of a few)….OR desperation (when there is nothing to loose)!

Obviously I mean the newspaper in Allentown, PA - not the town. LOL

Maureen Dowd delivers a Clinton smack down.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/opinio...

Renee in Ohio delivers her own smack down of Hillary's *I'm more American than you*.

Enjoy! And pls rec her diary up.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

I hadn't heard about Pat Buchanan's latest hateful remarks directed at Barack. This diarist at Daily Kos has written a letter to MSNBC. The remarks are so over the top and disturbing. Buchanan should be removed from MSNBC immediately.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

Please feel encouraged to contact MSNBC.

Hillary Clinton trumpets America's innate optimism and yet her campaign is predicated on pessimism.

Her campaign really believes, right down at its core, that a majority of American voters are fear-bound racists whose views need to be fed rather than faced. She, Bill and her staff have been the ones saying again and again that Obama can't win. And the real reason why they believe that is not Obama's "lack of experience' (in reality, roughly equivalent to Clinton's if you leave aside picking out national china and draperies) or because he's "out of touch" (Hillary grew up in a well-to-do family and now has a much higher net worth than Obama), but because he is black.

If the people of Pennsylvania give in to their baser instincts it will be a pity. Ms. Clinton needs an education about small-town and rural America that says folks there are willing to face their own basic prejudices, change and grow. If she gets to redefine our national character in a way that makes it OK to take out economic frustrations through mistrust and "closing the ranks", it will be tragic indeed.

For the national good, Pennsylvania needs to turn out for Obama. Otherwise we are no better than the Muslims who rioted and murdered because the Pope called them violent.

-- volney

Reality Check

Does the media know that the American people can tell that the latest Obama "bitter" flap is just another episode in a series of attempted "gotchas" by the Corporatist, Status Quo  ??

The American people are smarter than to let the media tell them this is a scandal.

It is not.

I think Obama deserves a Howardly for this.

My husband said yesterday was a long day at the caucus but it was rewarding. He is not moving on but voted for some great people to move on to the state convention. He did say that a few of the Hillary supporters were a real turn-off. He said one woman of color got up and spoke up about Obama and said he will never win a general election because he is black. Lots of gasps in the room. My daughter didn't stay the entire day with my husband but she said it was inspiring to see so many young students there participating.

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a HOWARDLY to mary vb's family and all the others giving up time to participate in democracy

Platinum rule - treat others as they want to be treated.

 In other words, know who you're talking to or dealing with -  their style, their preferences, and treat them in the way they prefer to be treated.  

 Monica is right - the golden rule is a bit egocentric. 

Oh wow, Phil. I'll tell Brian and Blair about their Howardly. What a hoot!!! I can't take any credit - I was scorekeeping a lacrosse game. ;-) Our team won 13-2.

What an attorney should know about MISTAKES.

...She [Clinton] began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973. Following a stint as a Congressional legal counsel, she moved to Arkansas in 1974 and married Bill Clinton in 1975. She was later named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991. ...

...[Clinton] served on the staff of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate hearings, and taught law at the University of Arkansas. ...

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Law Encyclopedia: Mistake of Law
This entry contains information applicable to United States law only.

A misconception that occurs when a person with complete knowledge of the facts reaches an erroneous conclusion as to their legal effect; an incorrect opinion or inference, arising from a flawed evaluation of the facts.

Generally, a mistaken belief about a law is no defense to a violation of that law. All persons are presumed to know and understand the law, except minors, persons who lack mental capacity to contract with others, and, in criminal cases, persons who are insane. There are, however, a few other rare exceptions to this general rule.

A mistake of law may be helpful to criminal defendants facing prosecution for a specific-intent crime. A specific-intent crime requires that a defendant act with a criminal intent beyond the general intent required to commit the act. ...

Diminished responsibility: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminished_...

...Undue influence (as a term in jurisprudence) is an equitable doctrine that involves one person taking advantage of a position of power over another person. It is where free will to bargain is not possible.

The tort of negligent infliction of emotional distress (NIED) is a controversial legal theory and is not accepted in many United States jurisdictions. The underlying concept is that one has a legal duty to use reasonable care to avoid causing emotional distress to another individual. If one fails in this duty and unreasonably causes emotional distress to another person, that actor will be liable for monetary damages to the injured individual. The tort is to be contrasted with intentional infliction of emotional distress in that there is no need to prove intent to inflict distress. That is, an accidental infliction, if negligent, is sufficient to support a claim...

....The eggshell skull rule (or thin-skull rule) is a legal doctrine used in both tort law and criminal law that holds an individual liable for all consequences resulting from his or her activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition). The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor or assailant who did not know of that condition were to hit that person on the head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the responsible party would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even though they were not foreseeable. The general maxim is that defendants must "take their victims as they find them", a quotation from the judgment of Lawton LJ in the criminal case of R v. Blaue.

The doctrine is applied in all areas of torts - intentional torts, negligence, and strict liability cases - as well as in criminal law. There is no requirement of physical contact with the victim - if a trespasser's wrongful presence on the victim's property so terrifies the victim that he has a fatal heart attack, the trespasser will be liable for the damages stemming from his original tort. The foundation for this rule is based primarily on policy grounds. The courts do not want the accused to rely on the victim's own vulnerability to avoid liability. ....

...Dishonesty is a word which in common usage may be defined as the act or to act without honesty; a lack of probity, to cheat, lying or being deliberately deceptive; lacking in integrity; to be knavish, perfidious, corrupt or treacherous; charlatanism or quackery.

Dishonesty is the fundamental component of a majority of offences relating to the acquisition, conversion and disposal of property (tangible or intangible) defined in the criminal law. ...

This sounds like the communists party of china. And how some unions are run.

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Conservatives place a premium on money and top-down control. ...

...A conservative organization is owned by a handful of so-called powerful and important people...

Richard Wolfe (sorry if the spelling is wrong) just mentioned something on Russert that I had thought of...

Howard has previous experience in putting the party back together after his loss in 2004.

Remember when we were supporting the dream Prez candidate of our lifetimes, and then he was media-assasinated.  He was also torpedoed by Gephardt and his own comments about the Iowa caucus dredged up from Canadian TV from x number of years ago?

Now we know that we can live to fight another day.  I think Deaniacs will have a special charge if Obama gets the nomination to say to Clinton supporters:

"We Know Exactly How You Feel!"

You too will live to fight another day. There will be a woman President of the United States. Most likely in 8 years.

Deaniacs had to endure horrible disapointment, but did not stop.  This was not a campaign, but a movement.

Look where we are now. We have a less Corporate beholden, people=powered candidate in Obama.  Is he perfect? No. Howard either. Nor was Lincoln, or Jefferson or Mother Theresa.

There will be a woman President in the future and she will be Obama to Hillary's Howard Dean.

The MSM in particular Politico is going after Obama and what the 'press' is referring to as his sociology lesson. There is one article front paged on Yahoo and at least one other front paged on capitalnews.org (a Cspan website) from politico:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/040...

What Clinton wishes she could say
By JOHN F. HARRIS & JIM VANDEHEI | 4/13/08 8:45 AM EST

Obama is on the brink of Democratic nomination without confronting head-on questions about his general-election hurdles.

Why, ask many Democrats and media commentators, won’t Hillary Rodham Clinton see the long odds against her, put her own ambitions aside, and gracefully embrace Barack Obama as the inevitable Democratic nominee?

Here is why: She and Bill Clinton both devoutly believe that Obama’s likely victory is a disaster-in-waiting.

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12 reasons 'bitter' is bad for Obama
Mike Allen
Sat Apr 12, 6:04 PM ET
A Clinton comeback was looking far-fetched. But operatives in both parties were buzzing about that possibility Saturday following the revelation that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) told wealthy San Franciscans that small-town Pennsylvanians and Midwesterners “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter” about their economic status.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2008041...

So I sent them this love note:

Messrs Harris and Vandehei:

Is Carvile writing your articles for you? The Clinton camp is upset b/c the "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" (H. Dean) is no longer eating out of their hand. Every point you made in your article could have come straight from Carville, who was so nauseatingly 'alpha male' on Russert this morning I had to go watch ABC.
Americans aren't nearly as stupid as you MSM types would have anyone believe. A lot of why we support Obama is for what he's NOT. He's NOT a Clinton. He's NOT got a Carville ro Matelin in his camp. He's NOT stupid. He's NOT in debt to his ears in his campaign. He's not part of the 'old white man' coterie. I haven't recently read a 'news article' front paged on Yahoo that is so disgustingly biased.

Virginia woman may have human form of Mad Cow Disease

PORTSMOUTH, Va. -- A 22-year-old Portsmouth woman is close to dying, and family says doctors believe the human equivalent of Mad Cow Disease could be the reason....

The Health Department says they can not confirm this is, in fact, CJD. 13News has learned the only way to definitively confirm it is to conduct a biopsy after death.

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Where the hell is the MSM on this??????? - waiting for her to die?

From Friday, WUFT FM http://www.wuft.org/ classical music trivia question:

Reagan signed an edict making this march the official march of the United States. Name the march and the composer.

John Philip Sousa - Stars and Stripes Forever

Oh Annilow I should have guessed!  I did guess Sousa but actually thought Washington Post March.  And I don't even know if that can be attributed to him.

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Where the hell is the MSM on this??????? - waiting for her to die?

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 if you want the truth I guess that is the way it is done, we can't even get country of origin labeling past the corporate traders in Congress and American cases in cattle all came from Canada

the farm bill is up for debate this week

the transmission of this disease was figured out in England and there is no excuse for it becoming a problem if regulations are followed

pretty good argument for Democrats to end Republican anti-government regulation policy

This makes the comments of Randi Rhodes (and even Imus) look like compliments by comparison.

38. PA - I mentioned this above thread. I can't believe there is so little outrage in the traditional media. MSNBC needs to get rid of Buchanan STAT.

This has to hurt Hillary - the Scranton, PA paper has endorsed Barack.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

Even her swilling beer and taking whiskey shots doesn't seem to be helping with the editorial boards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YPUdO1i5M

Howard Dean at the 2006 Canadian Liberal party leadership convention in Montreal (Part 2)

There's a new thread.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24889...

Freedom Watch?..It seems like freedo watch is something we'reall into..Watching while our freedom is taken away

4:01 PM EDT

Renee in Ohio delivers her own smack down of Hillary's *I'm more American than you*.

Enjoy! And pls rec her diary up.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4...

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mary vb -

Indeed.

Renee in Ohio has posted a great comment about Hillary's bar-hopping (trolling for votes).  All I know is drinking is a serious problem in America and a presidential candidate lifting a foamy mug is not something to celebrate (though, Cindy's father's Bud beer empire in Arizona is probably grateful for Hillary's beer-drinking endorsement, and by extension John himself):

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/13/112537/146/474/494815

Hillary Clinton: "Who do Americans want to have a beer with? Look--I've got photographic evidence right here!"

"What's that? Do shots with you?"

I can totally imagine her TerminatorVision activating at this point, rapidly displaying the probabilities of various outcomes depending on whether she says yes or no. After all of her efforts to convince the regular folks that Barack Obama is the one who is elitist while she "gets" small-town  America (having been raised on "pinochle and the American dream"), can she afford to say no?

"Well...(shrug). Down the hatch!"

• Renee in Ohio's diary :: ::

From ABC's Political Radar:

Clinton stood by the bar and took a shot of Crown Royal whiskey. She took one sip of the shot, then another small sip, then a few seconds later threw her head back and finished off the whole thing.

(Pictures via Huffington Post)

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