Dean is first!

Yeah, Fox News might as well be Edward R. Morrow on CBS as far as the Clinton campaign is concerned.  According to Joe Conason at Salon, her other preferred news sources are the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, World Net Daily, and the American Spectator.  Why not just go whole hog and sing the praises of the Washington Times and the Wall Street Journal? 

If you believe her supporters, Clinton is the true Democrat in the race and Obama is the moderate appeaser.  In Clintondom, we're supposed to believe that the world is what you see in a carnival mirror.

The faith-based existence, where what you intend and what you believe is real.

There's no need to reconcile expectation with experience.

As Hillary proclaimed, "i'm in it to win it.'  And that's the end of it.

The will to power is not the same as free will. 

Ah, what a relief.  Sequencing is off again!

If you're bored or whatever, take the time to read the comments of a group of white Clinton supporters describing Obama as a racist at myDD.   Yes, you read that correctly.  There are hundreds of comments by a bunch of white people lauding the merits of a diary by an author who purchases a t-shirt emblazoned with the legend "Typical White Person," and goes on to wax nostalgically about her white father who wouldn't sign a petition to repeal the California Fair Housing Law.  Then she gives her whole history of marching to better the lot of black people, wearing her blonde hair in an afro, and even sleeping with a black guy. 

Wait, it get's more stupid.  She writes that she got screwed by affirmative action, and that Obama is a racist.  She won't vote for him.  I couldn't possibly fabricate something this asinine.  You'll have to see it for yourself.  Some favorite responses:

"Anything you can find where Steele is talking about Obama is very much worth your time."

"Obama's use of black racism/white guilt has been one of the most shameful episodes since George Wallace ran in 1968. We will work to defeat this fraud."

"I'm not voting for [Obama]. There are only two questions left: Will I vote against him and will I actively help those seeking his defeat should he be nominated?  Right now I'm leaning heavily to 'yes' and 'yes' on those questions, and I am one of many who feels similarly."

" I am a white person, but don't have an ounce of racism in me and couldn't be more offended by that statement.  he also made it out as though white people are to blame for all of the black communities ills and until we whites understand that, race in this country will always be a problem.  yes, there is SOME truth to that, but blacks have just as much to learn about racism as well."

Well, there is some truth to the statement that some typical white people are morons but inconveniently, they just have have to learn that no matter how much of a self-styled, self-indulgent free thinker you are, you have to actually have the status of a racial majority in a position of power to oppress a racial minority.  

John wrote "It's true they've steered clear of Trippi, but then there's the young aide who said Obama wouldn't neccesarily have all the troops out in 16 months (which is a helluva long time anyhow). Then there was the Canadian flap over Obama's NAFTA plans which considering the canuck sources, still has a ring of truth."

They may not be out in 16 months.  The comment you refer to is that of Harvard professor Samantha Power.  In essence, it is a common sense observation that a new president will assess the facts as they exist when he assumes office and act on them.  You obviously think that McCain will fare favorably in the mind of the electorate by claiming we will be in Iraq for a century.  The NAFTA ruse was a thoroughly debunked confection baked by the Clinton campaign.

You've obviously talked yourself into these beliefs, and you are free to hold them out as gospel, but you've made a wholly unconvincing case.

Kurt Nimmo
Truth News
March 31, 2008

“Al-Qaeda, in its haven in western Pakistan, is training operatives who are ‘western’ in appearance, making it easier for them to get past U.S. airport security, Central Intelligence Director Michael Hayden said,” reports Bloomberg.

Does anybody who looks “western” have an easy time getting past airport security? Mr. Hayden needs to visit an airport and see for himself — just about everybody, from grandmothers to toddlers, are under suspicion, even if they look Scandinavian. It has nothing to do with actual suspicion. It has to do with sending a message: you live in a police state now, get used to it, and if you don’t want to end up dead in a holding cell like Carol Ann Gotbaum, you’ll submit and not complain.

Of course, Mr. Hayden, as the head honcho of the CIA, is “catapulting the propaganda,” as Bush might call it. Now that al-Qaeda operatives look like stock brokers and cashiers at the local Stop ‘n Gas, we need to push ahead with the control grid, now only partially in place. Our rulers think we need to hear this kind of nonsense every few weeks, just to remind us and get us accustomed to those CCTV cameras everywhere and the NSA vacuuming up our telephone conversations and emails. It’s all to protect us from the white boy al-Qaeda.

“Hayden, appearing on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press,’ said the terrorists’ sanctuary in tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan is the most likely point of origin for them to launch another attack against the U.S.,” Bloomberg continues.

As for “the border with Afghanistan,” please. Mr. Hayden knows this area was long ago set-up to be militant Islam central, a pet project of the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI and continues to operate as a spook franchise with a stock of patsies and mental deficients. It was no mistake the late Osama bin Laden received his medical care at a Pakistan military base and the CIA paid a visit when he was in the hospital. Bloomberg naturally says nothing about any of this or the fact Osama bin Laden is dead and buried, praise be to Allah.

In a young sapling tree a wood stem does not exist.   A dead  lifeless conservative wood stem develops in a tree only after successive years of NEW CAMBIUM liberal innovative LIVE growth coalescing into a DEAD CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM.    After successive years of LIBERAL innovative cambium LIVE growth, the dead liberal innovative cambium live growth from past years coalesces in death into a DEAD CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM that provides the structure for support of all the tree's NEW cambium liberal innovative LIVE growth, shown by the yearly LIVE liberal innovative cambium growth rings.  Year by year the tree produces NEW LIVE cambium liberal innovative growth rings to the outside surface of the tree's DEAD conservative wood stem that coalesces into the DEAD conservative wood stem as the LIVE cambium liberal innovative growth rings increase the size and strength of the DEAD and LIFELESS CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM of the tree.  The dead conservative wood stem of the tree supports a layer of new cambium liberal innovative LIVE growth on the outside surface of the DEAD CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM every year that the tree is ALIVE, and the layer of new cambium liberal innovative LIVE growth on the outside surface of the DEAD and LIFELESS CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM gives RENEWAL and LIFE to the tree for each new season that the tree lives.

The DEAD and LIFELESS CONSERVATIVE WOOD STEM is CREATED by new cambium liberal innovative live growth as a tree emerges from a seed.  As the tree emerges from the seed, the new cambium liberal innovative live growth coalesces into a dead conservative wood stem, the dead conservative wood stem in turn becomes a scaffold for new liberal innovative LIFE to continue for the tree with new cambium liberal innovative LIVE growth, and the cycle continues for the life of the tree.

On the Tree of Life in our world today, DEAD Conservative WOOD STEM churches are condemning the LIVE part of the tree to protect the DEAD part of the tree.  The live part of the tree is the new liberal innovative cambium growth and the dead part of the tree is the conservative wood stem structure.  Without liberal growth the tree dies.  When LIBERALISM is condemned, and CONSERVATISM is for all Humanity, there is no way for Humanity's Tree of Life to  survive.   

Like a tree, the CONSERVATIVES were formed from the LIBERALS and provide the structure for LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE LIFE; without innovative LIBERAL LIFE,  the Tree of Life for our world will be without life, and without the CONSERVATIVES,  the Tree of Life will not have the structure to continue life.  It's a process like the tree.  God set up the process.   CONSERVATIVES killing the LIBERALS are destroying the tree.


Another example of Conservative and Liberal is in reference to the human body; comparing the human body to the population body politic, the CONSERVATIVE is the skeleton bones of the human body and the LIBERAL is the whole rest of the human body, the muscles, skin, flesh, liver, heart, etc.  When the CONSERVATIVE skeleton bones conserve all the resources of the human body for themselves, -- the human body dies.  Likewise, when the CONSERVATIVE skeleton bones of the body politic conserves all the resources of the nation for themselves, -- the nation dies.  The 70% LIBERAL population of the United States, the body politic, can not survive without the 10% skeleton bones CONSERVATIVE, and the 10% skeleton bones CONSERVATIVE can not survive without the 70% LIBERAL population of the United States, the body politic.

Right now in the United States the 10% CONSERVATIVE skeleton bones population are starving the 70% LIBERAL body population through the assistance of a 20% lumpenCONSERVATIVE wanna be skeleton bones population, the DLC, but who are actually muscles, skin, flesh, liver, heart, etc. just like the rest of the body politic, NOT ONE BONE.   The 20% lumpenCONSERVATIVES, the DLC, have erroneously turned on the body politic and joined the 10% CONSERVATIVE skeleton bones to starve the 70% rest of the body of population, the MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION.

With the assistance of undoubtedly some lower parts of the United States' body, the skeleton of the United States no longer supports the entire body, but is trying to hang on being a skeleton with only 20% muscle and skin.  What the 20% lumpenCONSERVATIVE, the DLC, has done and are continuing to do will totally kill the body, and the body is destined to die a miserable death, as ALL members of the body will die when the body dies.  It may take a while, a very slow death, but never the less death of the United States is imminent, as there is no way the body can survive; unless the 70% body politic wake up and and become the antibiotic to shut down the 20% DLC virus that caused the United States' sickness in the first place.   

Could this be what the Lord meant when he said in Matthew 8:22 of the Holy Scriptures, "Let the dead bury the dead?" 

Hillary Clinton is a leader of the DLC Movement against the body politic.

The following link refers to the above mentioned dangers of Conservatism: 

http://blogforamerica.com/view/24607 

That's Shelby Steele, by the way, one more authority on race relations apparently recognized by the Clinton campaign at the herd following in its wake.  Here's another comment by the diary author:

"What I don't understand is Dean not understanding what is happening to the party. It is fracturing under Obama's assault. Approximately 30% of dems will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee. We will not take back the white house. And his electability if he were to be the nominee is behind Clinton's."

Happy Birthday Al Gore :)

WordNet: lumpen

The adjective has one meaning:

Meaning #1: mentally sluggish

Used in a sentence

"I feel lumpen after trying to read one of Martha's posts"

Look out below

lumpenproletariat

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Martha's just proof that you can take the proletariat out of lumpen, but you can't take the lumpen out of Martha. . . .  lol!  Don't know when she and her hubby got their badges, but they're sure not going to give them back. 

 Reference #8 Post:  Someone must have deleted or somehow most of the above url was deleted, so here is Post #8's url again in hopes it will be complete:http://blogforamerica.com/view/24607&nbs...

In reference to Post #13 where I could not get the url applied, here is what the url says:
Liberal, --- or Conservative?

For all who want to know what the meaning of Liberalism, "Innovation", and Conservatism is, Ralph Waldo Emerson explains both in "The Conservative, A Lecture delivered at the Masonic Temple, Boston, Mass. December 9, 1841.

For all who would condemn Liberalism, "Innovation" and praise Conservatism, if you are a part of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION as a Class and Culture, I strongly recommend that you read the full text of "The Conservative", as follows:


"THE CONSERVATIVE", a Lecture by Ralph Waldo Emerson - Essays and Lectures; Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 83-5447

THE TWO PARTIES which divide the state, the party of Conservatism and that of Innovation, are very old, and have disputed the possession of the world ever since it was made. This quarrel is the subject of civil history. The conservative party established the reverend hierarchies and monarchies of the most ancient world. The battle of patrician and plebeian, of parent state and colony, of old usage and accommodation to new facts, of the rich and the poor, reappears in all countries and times. The war rages not only in battlefields, in national councils, and ecclesiastical synods, but agitates every man's bosom with opposing advantages every hour. On rolls the old world meantime, and now one, now the other gets the day, and still the fight renews itself as if for the first time, under new names and hot personalities.

Such an irreconcilable antagonism, of course, must have a correspondent depth of seat in the human constitution. It is the opposition of Past and Future, of Memory and Hope, of the Understanding and the Reason. It is the primal antagonism, the appearance in trifles of the two poles of nature.

There is a fragment of old fable which seems somehow to have been dropped from the current mythologies, which may deserve attention, as it appears to relate to this subject.

Saturn grew weary of sitting alone, or with none but the great Uranus or Heaven beholding him, and he created an oyster. Then he would act again, but he made nothing more, but went on creating the race of oysters. Then Uranus cried, 'a new work, O Saturn! the old is not good again.'

Saturn replied. 'I fear. There is not only the alternative of making and not making, but also of unmaking. Seest thou the great sea, how it ebbs and flows? so is it with me; my power ebbs; and if I put forth my hands, I shall not do, but undo. Therefore I do what I have done; I hold what I have got; and so I resist Night and Chaos.'

'O Saturn,' replied Uranus, 'thou canst not hold thine own, but by making more. Thy oysters are barnacles and cockles, and with the next flowing of the tide, they will be pebbles and sea-foam.'

'I see,' rejoins Saturn, 'thou art in league with Night, thou art become an evil eye; thou spakest from love; now thy words smite me with hatred. I appeal to Fate, must there not be rest?' --- 'I appeal to Fate also,' said Uranus, 'must there not be motion?' --- But Saturn was silent, and went on making oysters for a thousand years.

After that, the word of Uranus came into his mind like a ray of the sun, and he made Jupiter; and then he feared again; and nature froze, the things that were made went backward, and, to save the world, Jupiter slew his father Saturn.

This may stand for the earliest account of a conversation on politics between a Conservative and a Radical, which has come down to us. It is ever thus. It is the counteraction of the centripetal and the centrifugal forces. Innovation is the salient energy; Conservatism the pause on the last movement. 'That which is was made by God,' saith Conservatism. 'He is leaving that, he is entering this other;' rejoins Innovation.

There is always a certain meanness in the argument of conservatism, joined with a certain superiority in its fact. It affirms because it holds. Its fingers clutch the fact, and it will not open its eyes to see a better fact. The castle, which conservatism is set to defend, is the actual state of things, good and bad. The project of innovation is the best possible state of things. Of course, conservatism always has the worst of the argument, is always apologizing, pleading a necessity, pleading that to change would be to deteriorate; it must saddle itself with the mountainous load of the violence and vice of society, must deny the possibility of good, deny ideas, and suspect and stone the prophet; whilst innovation is always in the right, triumphant, attacking, and sure of final success. Conservatism stands on man's confessed limitations; reform on his indisputable infinitude; conservatism on circumstance; liberalism on power; one goes to make an adroit member of the social frame; the other to postpone all things to the man himself; conservatism is debonnair and social; reform is individual and imperious. We are reformers in spring and summer; in autum and winter, we stand by the old; reformers in the morning, conservers at night. Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth. Conservatism is more candid to behold another's worth; reform more disposed to maintain and increase its own. Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory. Reform has no gratitude, no prudence, no husbandry. It makes a great difference to your figure and to your thought, whether your foot is advancing or receding. Conservatism never puts the foot forward; in the hour when it does that, it is not establishment, but reform. Conservatism tends to universal seeming and treachery, believes in a negative fate; believes that men's temper governs them; that for me, it avails not to trust in principles; they will fail me; I must bend a little; it distrusts nature; it thinks there is a general law without a particular application, --- law for all that does not include any one. Reform in its antagonism inclines to asinine resistance, to kick with hoofs; it runs to egotism and bloated self-conceit; it runs to a bodiless pretension, to unnatural refining and elevation, which ends in hypocrisy and sensual reaction.

And so whilst we do not go beyond general statements, it may be safely affirmed of these two metaphysical antagonists, that each is a good half, but an impossible whole. Each exposes the abuses of the other, but in a true society, in a true man, both must combine. Nature does not give the crown of its approbation, namely, beauty, to any action or emblem or actor, but to one which combines both these elements; not to the rock which resists the waves from age to age, nor to the wave which lashes incessantly the rock, but the superior beauty is with the oak which stands with its hundred arms against the storms of a century, and grows every year like a sapling; or the river which ever flowing, yet is found in the same bed from age to age; or, greatest of all, the man who has subsisted for years amid the changes of nature, yet has distanced himself, so that when you remember what he was, and see what he is, you say, what strides! what a disparity is here!

Throughout nature the past combines in every creature with the present. Each of the convolutions of the sea-shell, each node and spine marks one year of the fish's life, what was the mouth of the shell for one season, with the addition of a new matter by the growth of the animal, becoming an ornamental node. The leaves and a shell of soft wood are all that the vegetation of this summer has made, but the solid columnar stem, which lifts that bank of foliage into the air to draw the eye and to cool us with its shade, is the gift and legacy of dead and buried years.

In nature, each of these elements being always present, each theory has a natural support. As we take our stand on Necessity, or on Ethics, shall we go for the conservative, or for the reformer. If we read the world historically, we shall say, Of all the ages, the present hour and circumstance is the cumulative result; this is the best throw of the dice of nature that has yet been, or that is yet possible. If we see it from the side of Will, or the Moral Sentiment, we shall accuse the Past and the Present, and require the impossible of the Future.

But although this bifold fact lies thus united in real nature, and so united that no man can continue to exist in whom both these elements do not work, yet men are not philosophers, but are rather very foolish children, who, by reason of their partiality, see everything in the most absurd manner, and are the victims at all times of the nearest object. There is even no philosopher who is a philosopher at all times. Our experience, our perception is conditioned by the need to acquire in parts and in succession, that is, with every truth a certain falsehood. As this is the invariable method of our training, we must give it allowance, and suffer men to learn as they have done for six millenniums, a word at a time, to pair off into insane parties, and learn the amount of truth each knows, by the denial of an equal amount of truth. For the present, then, to come at what sum is attainable to us, we must even hear the parties plead as parties.

That which is best about conservatism, that which, though it cannot be expressed in detail, inspires reverence in all, is the Inevitable. There is the question not only, what the conservative says for himself? but, why must he say it? What insurmountable fact binds him to that side? Here is the fact which men call Fate, and fate in dread degrees, fate behind fate, not to be disposed of by the consideration that the Conscience commands this or that, but necessitating the question, whether the faculties of man will play him true in resisting the facts of universal experience? For although the commands of the Conscience are essentially absolute, they are historically limitary. Wisdom does not seek a literal rectitude, but an useful, that is, a conditioned one, such a one as the faculties of man and the constitution of things will warrant. The reformer, the partisan loses himself in driving to the utmost some specialty of right conduct, until his own nature and all nature resist him; but Wisdom attempts nothing enormous and disproportioned to its powers, nothing which it cannot perform or nearly perform. We have all a certain intellection or presentiment of reform existing in the mind, which does not yet descend into the character, and those who throw themselves blindly on this lose themselves. Whatever they attempt in that direction, fails, and reacts suicidally on the actor himself. This is the penalty of having transcended nature. For the existing world is not a dream, and cannot with impunity be treated as a dream; neither is it a disease; but it is the ground on which you stand, it is the mother of whom you were born. Reform converses with possibilities, perchance with impossibilities; but here is sacred fact. This also was true, or it could not be: it had life in it, or it could not have existed; it has life in it, or it could not continue. Your schemes may be feasible, or may not be, but this has the endorsement of nature and a long friendship and cohabitation with the powers of nature. This will stand until a better cast of the dice is made. The contest between the Future and the Past is one between Divinity entering, and Divinity departing. You are welcome to try your experiments, and, if you can, to displace the actual order by that ideal republic you announce, for nothing but God will expel God. But plainly the burden of proof must lie with the projector. We hold to this, until you can demonstrate something better.

The system of property and law goes back for its origin to barbarous and sacred times; it is the fruit of the same mysterious cause as the mineral or animal world. There is a natural sentiment and prepossession in favor of age, of ancestors, of barbarous and aboriginal usages, which is a homage to the element of necessity and divinity which is in them. The respect for the old names of places, of mountains, and streams, is universal. The Indian and barbarous name can never be supplanted without loss. The ancients tell us that the gods loved the Ethiopians for their stable customs; and the Egyptians and Chaldeans, whose origin could not be explored, passed among the junior tribes of Greece and Italy for sacred nations.

Moreover, so deep is the foundation of the existing social system, that it leaves no one out of it. We may be partial, but Fate is not. All men have their root in it. You who quarrel with the arrangements of society, and are willing to embroil all, and risk the indisputable good that exists, for the chance of better, live, move, and have your being in this, and your deeds contradict your words every day. For as you cannot jump from the ground without using the resistance of the ground, nor put out the boat to sea, without shoving from the shore, nor attain liberty without rejecting obligation, so you are under the necessity of using the Actual order of things, in order to disuse it; to live by it, whilst you wish to take away its life. The past has baked your loaf, and in the strength of its bread you would break up the oven. But you are betrayed by your own nature. You also are conservatives. However men please to style themselves, I see no other than a conservative party. You are not only identical with us in your needs, but also in your methods and aims. You quarrel with my conservatism, but it is to build up one of your own; it will have a new beginning, but the same course and end, the same trials, the same passions; among the lovers of the new I observe that there is a jealousy of the newest, and that the seceder from the seceder is as damnable as the pope himself.

On these and the like grounds of general statement, conservatism plants itself without danger of being displaced. Especially before this personal appeal, the innovator must confess his weakness, must confess that no man is to be found good enough to be entitled to stand champion for the principle. But when this great tendency comes to practical encounters, and is challenged by young men, to whom it is no abstraction, but a fact of hunger, distress, and exclusion from opportunities, it must needs seem injurious. The youth, of course, is an innovator by the fact of his birth. There he stands, newly born on the planet, a universal beggar, with all the reason of things, one would say, on his side. In his first consideration how to feed, clothe, and warm himself, he is met by warnings on every hand, that this thing and that thing have owners, and he must go elsewhere. Then he says; If I am born into the earth, where is my part? have the goodness, gentlemen of this world, to show me my wood-lot, where I may fell my wood, my field where to plant my corn, my pleasant ground where to build my cabin.

'Touch any wood, or field, or house-lot, on your peril,' cry all the gentlemen of this world; 'but you may come and work in ours, for us, and we will give you a piece of bread.'

And what is that peril?

Knives and muskets, if we meet you in the act; imprisonment, if we find you afterward.

And by what authority, kind gentlemen?

By our law.

And your law, --- is it just?

As just for you as it was for us. We wrought for others under this law, and got our lands so.

I repeat the question, Is your law just?

Not quite just, but necessary. Moreover, it is juster now than it was when we were born; we have made it milder and more equal.

I will none of your law, returns the youth; it encumbers me. I cannot understand, or so much as spare time to read that needless library of your laws. Nature has sufficiently provided me with rewards and sharp penalties, to bind me not to transgress. Like the Persian noble of old, I ask "that I may neither command nor obey." I do not wish to enter into your complex social system. I shall serve those whom I can, and they who can will serve me. I shall seek those whom I love, and shun those whom I love not, and what more can all your laws render me?

With equal earnestness and good faith, replies to this plaintiff an upholder of the establishment, a man of many virtues:

Your opposition is feather-brained and overfine. Young man, I have no skill to talk with you, but look at me; I have risen early and sat late, and toiled honestly, and painfully for very many years. I never dreamed about methods; I laid my bones to, and drudged for the good I possess; it was not got by fraud, not by luck, but by work, and you must show me a warrant like these stubborn facts in your own fidelity and labor, before I suffer you, on the faith of a few fine words, to ride into my estate, and claim to scatter it as your own.

Now you touch the heart of the matter, replies the reformer. To that fidelity and labor, I pay homage. I am unworthy to arraign your manner of living, until I too have been tried. But I should be more unworthy, if I did not tell you why I cannot walk in your steps. I find this vast network, which you call property, extended over the whole planet. I cannot occupy the bleakest crag of the White Hills or the Alleghany Range, but some man or corporation steps up to me to show me that it is his. Now, though I am very peaceable, and on my private account could well enough die, since it appears there was some mistake in my creation, and that I have been missent to this earth, where all the seats were already taken, --- yet I feel called upon in behalf of rational nature, which I represent, to declare to you my opinion, that, if the Earth is yours, so also is it mine. All your aggregate existences are less to me a fact than is my own; as I am born to the earth, so the Earth is given to me, what I want of it to till and to plant; nor could I, without pusillanimity, omit to claim so much. I must not only have a name to live, I must live. My genius leads me to build a different manner of life from any of yours. I cannot then spare you the whole world. I love you better. I must tell you the truth practically; and take that which you call yours. It is God's world and mine; yours as much as you want, mine as much as I want. Besides, I know your ways; I know the symptoms of the disease. To the end of your power, you will serve this lie which cheats you. Your want is a gulf which the possession of the broad earth would not fill. Yonder sun in heaven you would pluck down from shining on the universe, and make him a property and privacy, if you could; and the moon and the north star you would quickly have occasion for in your closet and bed chamber. What you do not want for use, you crave for ornament, and what your convenience could spare, your pride cannot.

On the other hand, precisely the defence which was set up for the British Constitution, namely, that with all its admitted defects, rotten boroughs and monopolies, it worked well, and substantial justice was somehow done; the wisdom and the worth did get into parliament, and every interest did by right, or might, or sleight, get represented; --- the same defence is set up for the existing institutions. They are not the best; they are not just; and in respect to you, personally, O brave young man! they cannot be justified. They have, it is most true, left you no acre for your own, and no law but our law, to the ordaining of which, you were no party. But they do answer the end, they are really friendly to the good; unfriendly to the bad; they second the industrious, and the kind; they foster genius. They really have so much flexibility as to afford your talent and character, on the whole, the same chance of demonstration and success which they might have, if there was no law and no property.

It is trivial and merely superstitious to say that nothing is given you, no outfit, no exhibition; for in this institution of credit, which is as universal as honesty and promise in the human countenance, always some neighbor stands ready to be bread and land and tools and stock to the young adventurer. And if in any one respect they have come short, see what ample retribution of good they have made. They have lost no time and spared no expense to collect libraries, museums, galleries, colleges, palaces, hospitals, observatories, cities. The ages have not been idle, nor kings slack, nor the rich niggardly. Have we not atoned for this small offence (which we could not help) of leaving you no right in the soil, by this splendid indemnity of ancestral and national wealth? Would you have been born like a gipsy in a hedge, and preferred your freedom on a heath, and the range of a planet which had no shed or boscage to cover you from sun and wind, --- to this towered and citied world? to this world of Rome, and Memphis, and Constantinople, and Vienna, and Paris, and London, and New York? For thee Naples, Florence and Venice, for thee the fair Mediterranean, the sunny Adriatic; for thee both Indies smile; for thee the hospitable North opens its heated palaces under the polar circle; for thee roads have been cut in every direction across the land, and fleets of floating palaces with every security for strength, and provision for luxury, swim by sail and by steam through all the waters of this world. Every island for thee has a town; every town a hotel. Though thou was born landless, yet to thy industry and thrift and small condescension to the established usage, --- scores of servants are swarming in every strange place with cap and knee to thy command, scores, nay hundreds and thousands, for thy wardrobe, thy table, thy chamber, thy library, thy leisure; and every whim is anticipated and served by the best ability of the whole population of each country. The king on the throne governs for thee, and the judge judges; the barrister pleads, the farmer tills, the joiner hammers, the postman rides. Is it not exaggerating a trifle to insist on a formal acknowledgment of your claims, when these substantial advantages have been secured to you? Now can your children be educated, your labor turned to their advantage, and its fruits secured to them after your death. It is frivolous to say, you have no acre, because you have not a mathematically measured piece of land. Providence takes care that you shall have a place, that you are waited for, and come accredited; and, as soon as you put your gift to use, you shall have acre or acre's worth according to your exhibition of desert, --- acre, if you need land; --- acre's worth, if you prefer to draw, or carve, or make shoes, or wheels, to the tilling of the soil.

Besides, it might temper your indignation at the supposed wrong which society has done you, to keep the question before you, how society got into this predicament? Who put things on this false basis? No single man, but all men. No man voluntarily and knowingly; but it is the result of that degree of culture there is in the planet. The order of things is as good as the character of the population permits. Consider it as the work of a great and beneficent and progressive necessity, which, from the first pulsation of the first animal life, up to the present high culture of the best nations, has advanced thus far. Thank the rude fostermother though she has taught you a better wisdom than her own, and has set hopes in your heart which shall be history in the next ages. You are yourself the result of this manner of living, this foul compromise, this vituperated Sodom. It nourished you with care and love on its breast, as it had nourished many a lover of the right, and many a poet, and prophet, and teacher of men. Is it so irremediably bad? Then again, if the mitigations are considered, do not all the mischiefs virtually vanish? The form is bad, but see you not how every personal character reacts on the form, and makes it new? A strong person makes the law and custom null before his own will. Then the principle of love and truth reappears in the strictest courts of fashion and property. Under the richest robes, in the darlings of the selectest circles of European or American aristocracy, the strong heart will beat with love of mankind, with impatience of accidental distinctions, with the desire to achieve its own fate, and make every ornament it wears authentic and real.

Moreover, as we have already shown that there is no pure reformer, so it is to be considered that there is no pure conservative, no man who from the beginning to the end of his life maintains the defective institutions; but he who sets his face like a flint against every novelty, when approached in the confidence of conversation, in the presence of friendly and generous persons, has also his gracious and relenting motions, and espouses for the time the cause of man; and even if this be a shortlived emotion, yet the remembrance of it in private hours mitigates his selfishness and compliance with custom.

The Friar Bernard lamented in his cell on Mount Cenis the crimes of mankind, and rising one morning before day from his bed of moss and dry leaves, he gnawed his roots and berries, drank of the spring, and set forth to go to Rome to reform the corruption of mankind. On his way he encountered many travellers who greeted him courteously; and the cabins of the peasants and the castles of the lords supplied his few wants. When he came at last to Rome, his piety and good will easily introduced him to many families of the rich, and on the first day he saw and talked with gentle mothers with their babes at their breasts, who told him how much love they bore their children, and how they were perplexed in their daily walk lest they should fail in their duty to them. 'What!' he said, 'and this on rich embroidered carpets, on marble floors, with cunning sculpture, and carved wood, and rich pictures, and piles of books about you?' --- 'Look at our pictures and books,' they said, 'and we will tell you, good Father, how we spent the last evening. These are stories of godly children and holy families and romantic sacrifices made in old or in recent times by great and not mean persons; and last evening, our family was collected, and our husbands and brothers discoursed sadly on what we could save and give in the hard times.' Then came in the men, and they said, 'What cheer, brother? Does thy convent want gifts?' Then the friar Bernard went home swiftly with other thoughts than he brought, saying, 'This way of life is wrong, yet these Romans, whom I prayed God to destroy, are lovers, they are lovers; what can I do?'

The reformer concedes that these mitigations exist, and that, if he proposed comfort, he should take sides with the establishment. Your words are excellent, but they do not tell the whole. Conservatism is affluent and openhanded, but there is a cunning juggle in riches. I observe that they take somewhat for everything they give. I look bigger, but am less; I have more clothes, but am not so warm; more armor, but less courage; more books, but less wit. What you say of your planted, builded and decorated world, is true enough, and I gladly avail myself of its convenience; yet I have remarked that what holds in particular, holds in general, that the plant Man does not require for his most glorious flowering this pomp of preparation and convenience, but the thoughts of some beggarly Homer who strolled, God knows when, in the infancy and barbarism of the old world; the gravity and sense of some slave Moses who leads away his fellow slaves from their masters; the contemplation of some Scythian Anacharsis; the erect, formidable valor of some Dorian townsmen in the town of Sparta; the vigor of Clovis the Frank, and Alfred the Saxon, and Alaric the Goth, and Mahomet, Ali, and Omar the Arabians, Saladin the Curd, and Othman the Turk, sufficed to build what you call society, on the spot and in the instant when the sound mind in a sound body appeared. Rich and fine is your dress, O conservatism! your horses are of the best blood; your roads are well cut and well paved; your pantry is full of meats and your cellar of wines, and a very good state and condition are you for gentlemen and ladies to live under; but every one of these goods steals away a drop of my blood. I want the necessity of supplying my own wants. All this costly culture of yours is not necessary. Greatness does not need it. Yonder peasant, who sits neglected there in a corner, carries a whole revolution of man and nature in his head, which shall be a sacred history to some future ages. For man is the end of nature; nothing so easily organizes itself in every part of the universe as he; no moss, no lichen is so easily born; and he takes along with him and puts out from himself the whole apparatus of society and condition extempore, as an army encamps in a desert, and where all was just now blowing sand, creates a white city in an hour, a government, a market, a place for feasting, for conversation, and for love.

These considerations, urged by those whose characters and whose fortunes are yet to be formed, must needs command the sympathy of all reasonable persons. But beside that charity which should make all adult persons interested for the youth, and engage them to see that he has a free field and fair play on his entrance into life, we are bound to see that the society, of which we compose a part, does not permit the formation or continuance of views and practices injurious to the honor and welfare of mankind. The objection to conservatism, when embodied in a party, is, that in its love of acts, it hates principles; it lives in the senses, not in truth; it sacrifices to despair; it goes for availableness in its candidate, not for worth; and for expediency in its measures, and not for the right. Under pretence of allowing for friction, it makes so many additions and supplements to the machine of society, that it will play smoothly and softly, but will no longer grind any grist.

The conservative party in the universe concedes that the radical would talk sufficiently to the purpose, if we were still in the garden of Eden; he legislates for man as he ought to be; his theory is right, but he makes no allowance for friction; and this omission makes his whole doctrine false. The idealist retorts, that the conservative falls into a far more noxious error in the other extreme. The conservative assumes sickness as a necessity, and his social frame is a hospital, his total legislation is for the present distress, a universe in slippers and flannels, with bib and papspoon, swallowing pills and herb-tea. Sickness gets organized as well as health, the vice as well as the virtue. Now that a vicious system of trade has existed so long, it has stereotyped itself in the human generation, and misers are born. And now that sickness has got such a foothold, leprosy has grown cunning, has got into the ballot-box; the lepers outvote the clean; society has resolved itself into a Hospital Committee, and all its laws are quarantine. If any man resist, and set up a foolish hope he has entertained as good against the general despair, society frowns on him, shuts him out of her opportunities, her granaries, her refectories, her water and bread, and will serve him a sexton's turn. Conservatism takes as low a view of every part of human action and passion. Its religion is just as bad; a lozenge for the sick; a dolorous tune to beguile the distemper; mitigations of pain by pillows and anodynes; always mitigations, never remedies; pardons for sin, funeral honors, --- never self-help, renovation, and virtue. Its social and political action has no better aim; to keep out wind and weather, to bring the day and year about, and make the world last our day; not to sit on the world and steer it; not to sink the memory of the past in the glory of a new and more excellent creation; a timid cobbler and patcher, it degrades whatever it touches. The cause of education is urged in this country with the utmost earnestness, --- on what ground? why on this, that the people have the power, and if they are not instructed to sympathize with the intelligent, reading, trading, and governing class, inspired with a taste for the same competitions and prizes, they will upset the fair pageant of Judicature, and perhaps lay a hand on the sacred muniments of wealth itself, and new distribute the land. Religion is taught in the same spirit. The contractors who were building a road out of Baltimore, some years ago, found the Irish laborers quarrelsome and refractory, to a degree that embarrassed the agents, and seriously interrupted the progress of the work. The corporation were advised to call off the police, and build a Catholic chapel; which they did; the priest presently restored order, and the work went on prosperously. Such hints, be sure, are too valuable to be lost. If you do not value the Sabbath, or other religious institutions, give yourself no concern about maintaining them. They have already acquired a market value as conservators of property; and if priest and church-member should fail, the chambers of commerce and the presidents of the Banks, the very innholders and landlords of the county would muster with fury to their support.

Of course, religion in such hands loses its essence. Instead of that reliance, which the soul suggests on the eternity of truth and duty, men are misled into a reliance on institutions, which, the moment they cease to be the instantaneous creations of the devout sentiment, are worthless. Religion among the low becomes low. As it loses its truth, it loses credit with the sagacious. They detect the falsehood of the preaching, but when they say so, all good citizens cry, Hush; do not weaken the state, do not take off the strait jacket from dangerous persons. Every honest fellow must keep up the hoax the best he can; must patronize providence and piety, and wherever he sees anything that will keep men amused, schools or churches or poetry, or picture-galleries or music, or what not, he must cry "Hist-a-boy," and urge the game on. What a compliment we pay to the good SPIRIT with our superserviceable zeal!

But not to balance reasons for and against the establishment any longer, and if it still be asked in this necessity of partial organization, which party on the whole has the highest claims on our sympathy? I bring it home to the private heart, where all such questions must have their final arbitrement. How will every strong and generous mind choose its ground, --- with the defenders of the old? or with the seekers of the new? Which is that state which promises to edify a great, brave, and beneficent man; to throw him on his resources, and tax the strength of his character? On which part will each of us find himself in the hour of health and of aspiration?

I understand well the respect of mankind for war, because that breaks up the Chinese stagnation of society, and demonstrates the personal merits of all men. A state of war or anarchy, in which law has little force, is so far valuable, that it puts every man on trial. The man of principle is known as such, and even in the fury of faction is respected. In the civil wars of France, Montaigne alone, among all the French gentry, kept his castle gates unbarred, and made his personal integrity as good at least as a regiment. The man of courage and resources is shown, and the effeminate and base person. Those who rise above war, and those who fall below it, it easily discriminates, as well as those, who, accepting its rude conditions, keep their own head by their own sword.

But in peace and a commercial state we depend, not as we ought, on our knowledge and all men's knowledge that we are honest men, but we cowardly lean on the virtue of others. For it is always at last the virtue of some men in the society, which keeps the law in any reverence and power. Is there not something shameful that I should owe my peaceful occupancy of my house and field, not to the knowledge of my countrymen that I am useful, but to their respect for sundry other reputable persons, I know not whom, whose joint virtues still keep the law in good
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It will never make any difference to a hero what the laws are. His greatness will shine and accomplish itself unto the end, whether they second him or not. If he have earned his bread by drudgery, and in the narrow and crooked ways which were all an evil law had left him, he will make it at least honorable by his expenditure. Of the past he will take no heed; for its wrongs he will not hold himself responsible: he will say, all the meanness of my progenitors shall not bereave me of the power to make this hour and company fair and fortunate. Whatsoever streams of power and commodity flow to me, shall of me acquire healing virtue, and become fountains of safety. Cannot I too descend a Redeemer into nature? Whosoever hereafter shall name my name, shall not record a malefactor, but a benefactor in the earth. If there be power in good intentions, in fidelity, and in toil, the north wind shall be purer, the stars in heaven shall glow with a kindlier beam, that I have lived. I am primarily engaged to myself to be a public servant of all the gods, to demonstrate to all men that there is intelligence and good will at the heart of things, and ever higher and yet higher leadings. These are my engagements; how can your law further or hinder me in what I shall do to men? On the other hand, these dispositions establish their relations to me. Wherever there is worth, I shall be greeted. Wherever there are men, are the objects of my study and love. Sooner or later all men will be my friends, and will testify in all methods the energy of their regard. I cannot thank your law for my protection. I protect it. It is not in its power to protect me. It is my business to make myself revered. I depend on my honor, my labor, and my dispositions, for my place in the affections of mankind, and not on any conventions or parchments of yours.

But if I allow myself in derelictions, and become idle and dissolute, I quickly come to love the protection of a strong law, because I feel no title in myself to my advantages. To the intemperate and covetous person no love flows; to him mankind would pay no rent, no dividend, if force were once relaxed; nay, if they could give their verdict, they would say, that his self-indulgence and his oppression deserved punishment from society, and not that rich board and lodging he now enjoys. The law acts then as a screen of his unworthiness, and makes him worse the longer it protects him.

In conclusion, to return from this alternation of partial views, to the high platform of universal and necessary history, it is a happiness for mankind that innovation has got on so far, and has so free a field before it. The boldness of the hope men entertain transcends all former experience. It calms and cheers them with the picture of a simple and equal life of truth and piety. And this hope flowered on what tree? It was not imported from the stock of some celestial plant, but grew here on the wild crab of conservatism. It is much that this old and vituperated system of things has borne so fair a child. It predicts that amidst a planet peopled with conservatives, one Reformer may yet be born.

End of the Ralph Waldo Emerson Lecture, "The Conservative"


The above Ralph Waldo Emerson lecture, "The Conservative" is the best explanation of Conservatism and Liberalism, "Innovation", the primal difference between the RIGHT, Conservative, and the LEFT, Liberal, "Innovation", that I have ever read, and will shine the Light of Understanding of what Conservatism, the Political RIGHT and Liberalism, the Political LEFT, really means to all except those who for one reason or another choose not to understand for their own narrow-minded political reasons.

Thomas G. Miller

Monica, a little context.

1 When Jesus came down from the mountain, large crowds followed Him. 2 And a leper came to Him and bowed down before Him, and said, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” 3 Jesus stretched out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus said to him, “See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.”
5 And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented.” 7 Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion said, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 “For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.” 10 Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, “Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. 11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And Jesus said to the centurion, “Go; it shall be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed that very moment.
Peter’s Mother-in-law and Many Others Healed
14 When Jesus came into Peter’s home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. 15 He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him. 16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES AND CARRIED AWAY OUR DISEASES.”
Discipleship Tested
18 Now when Jesus saw a crowd around Him, He gave orders to depart to the other side of the sea. 19 Then a scribe came and said to Him, “Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go.” 20 Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” 21 Another of the disciples said to Him, “Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.” 22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.”
23 When He got into the boat, His disciples followed Him. 24 And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being covered with the waves; but Jesus Himself was asleep. 25 And they came to Him and woke Him, saying, “Save us, Lord; we are perishing!” 26 He said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm. 27 The men were amazed, and said, “What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?”
New American Standard Bible Copyright ©

To the people who have been using a link to and only one or two paragraphs of an article or some other form of offsite piece: thank you. Please, instead of posting an entire piece could you just copy and paste a paragraph or two and a link?  Thanks.

Danny

Communications Director 

Fox

You don't seem like the spiritual type, except the part of genesis where God tell his people to go to a land and kill every man, woman and child and take their land for they have sinned greatly.

or was it Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus?

PA Gov. Ed Rendell on Fox News coverage of the Democratic primary campaign ...

I think during this entire primary coverage, starting in Iowa and up to the present -- FOX has done the fairest job, and remained the most objective of all the cable networks. You hate both of our candidates. No, I’m only kidding. But you actually have done a very balanced job of reporting the news,...

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That's a pisser, Danny.  Rendell is Hillary's lastest Knight in shining armor, and what a spiteful thing to say because Obama has refused to go on Fox.

Danny

Communications Director 

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Thanks for saying it Danny.  I say it too, but get ignored....maybe they'll listen to the guy with his hand on the switch.

Danny

What the Millers are saying is that their links don't become clickable when they post, which is why they are making the long posts. Others have had the same complaint but haven't resorted to the extreme measure of posting the whole piece. No copyright infringement issue since the source is credited, just a blog ettiquette issue.

I happen to agree with the basic argument made by the Millers that the DLC doesn't give a rats *ss about ordinary working people and there has been conservatives who have had that position since Ralph Waldo Emerson.

It should not be a secret what Conservative and Conservatism REALLY is, and what Liberal and Liberalism really is,  because Consertivism and Liberalism are a part of life, just like ones bones, the wood stem of a tree, and ones Liberal flesh;  one can not live or run a nation by Conservatism alone.  our nation has to have some Liberalism before the body dies.  Hillary Clinton epitomizes conservatism, as did her husband, and now is not the time for Conservatism, the bones are destroying the flesh, the wood stem is destroying the tree, and the river's bed is destroying the river.

Martha and Thomas

the issue on your links is dependent on compatability of your browser software and the blog

no malice is meant you by staff

type your link on a single line and I will make it clickable with IE which works well with this blog software for that purpose

thanks for caring enough about democracy to participate

Phil - yeah, but the links work... 

Phil Specht
Mon, 03/31/08

Danny

What the Millers are saying is that their links don't become clickable when they post, which is why they are making the long posts. Others have had the same complaint but haven't resorted to the extreme measure of posting the whole piece. No copyright infringement issue since the source is credited, just a blog ettiquette issue.

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Phil I totally understand, so, here is a quick lesson on how to make a link clickable:

Type whatever you want or copy and paste a link: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/186585.php

Highlight what you wrote or the link: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/186585.php 

Click on the link image in the formatting bar at the top of the  Write a comment box.  A window will pop-up and in the space marked "Link URL" just copy and paste the link you want to go to.  After you have the link in place, click the insert button in the lower left hand corner of the pop-up window and your link is set.

There are definitely some browser compatability issues involved in all of this as this feature does not appear to function in Safari, but it does work in Firefox and Internet Explorer.  Thanks.

Danny
Communications Director

Danny:

The links are being cut off. The posts are ;made with great effort and someone erases all of the post, which should not be allowed,   I would have been delighted to have been able to post the url, but the url was made void, so the only alternative is to post the whole post.  That post came out of a book by Ralph Waldo Emerson, not off the internet., it's in the Library of Congress Catalog Card #83-5447.

At this typing this post comes directly after 27 and no telling where it will show.  There is something wrong with this blog as one's posts never follow in the sequence intended.

my guess was that the Millers are using Safari since Monica has trouble with it every morning Danny

I use this squiggly line key ~~~~~~~~~~ to distinquish between my original material and other's work

Martha and Thomas probably could get their point across without the extremes they have gone to had they had IE because my addition makes clickable links automatically

that isn't all Emerson in the long piece

At this typing this post comes directly after 27 and no telling where it will show.  There is something wrong with this blog as one's posts never follow in the sequence intended.

heck I don't even scroll Fox and he is surely more of an extremist than the Millers

Mario Cuomo had an interesting comment on CNN today.  He said that right now, the 2 should make a pact (and make it public) that whoever wins the nomination (I would say popular vote) gets to run as prez and the other gets to run as VP. 

He said that people are leaving both HC and BO and going over to McC at a rapid pace and this would save the party and assure a win in Nov.  He claims they can still run as long as they want, but they should make that agreement.

I think he's right about large hoards of both BO and HC supporters voting McC or not voting if "their" candidate isn't the nominee.  Hard to fathom but there you are.  He mentioned the youth, especially, staying home if BO isn't the nominee.

This way, we have the best possible of what I deem choices chosen for us by the CM.  I doubt BO can win with  Ms. Sominex or anybody else.  The  HC people may stay home in enuf numbers to throw the race to McC.

I'm concerned with beating McC.  It's my final bottom line and I've had way too many.

Both BO and HC need to do something fast and certainly announcements of short lists are overdue.

I'm concerned with beating McC.  It's my final bottom line and I've had way too many.

Both BO and HC need to do something fast and certainly announcements of short lists are overdue.

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seashell

what Howard is saying is people just need to make a choice

Obama or Hillary

and get on with running against McCain

you are part of the problem if you aren't part of the solution and as usual Howard Dean is the one that has it right

After what we've seen upthread, I hope no one ever accuses me again of long posts--and Danny, fix the goddamned blog, then you'll have some credibility when you make suggestions.

6:24pm

My last post got buried ten back--I expect this one will too.

Danny, for christ's sake, hire someone who knows what (s)hes doing, and fix this miserable excuse for a blog.

For the umpteenth time--it aint rocket science.

6:28 pm

your news tonight probably has a story about farmers switching away from corn acres which will lead to higher food prices

what they don't address is how the cheap dollar has lead to high priced fertilizer (which is imported) and corn uses more of it than other crops, so that it is a dog chasing its tail story that just is a little too complex to cover in 90 seconds

they will blame ethanol (which instead is part of the solution to the high energy costs of transporting and processing food)

I usually agree with Mario Cuomo but this time he is wrong. The loser should agree to support the winner. Forget about the number two slot. Neither one will work as VP for the other.

Both should go after McCain on the issues.

Phil,
Did you catch the latest Time magazine article about bio-fuels and the problems it causes. If you get a chance, I would like your opinion on it.

Phil Specht
Mon, 03/31/08

Danny

What the Millers are saying is that their links don't become clickable when they post, which is why they are making the long posts. Others have had the same complaint but haven't resorted to the extreme measure of posting the whole piece.

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That's bull.  Not saying it ain't possible, specially if not using explorer, but never had a problem, maybe once, in all my posts.  But that's no excuse.  If people are interested in their absract, they can copy/paste the web address in their URL.  That's the way we used to do it all the time.

you are part of the problem if you aren't part of the solution and as usual Howard Dean is the one that has it right

That's bullshit Phil, and you know it. The DNC, or any other party organization can and should be running anti-McCain ads.

 Like its congressional incompetents, the party hasn't the courage to meet McCain head-on and blow his specious arguments away.

Howard's in a difficult position, hated as he is by the DLC and the Clintons (who are kind of one and the same).

That shouldn't stop him from confronting the McCain lie machine. McCain today said that move on should be run out of the country because of their Betray us ad. I'm waiting for Howard, Hillary or Barack, or any Democrat of note to stand up for Move-on which was dead-on with that ad.

Buried by Danny and his crew at:

6:38pm

heck I don't even scroll Fox and he is surely more of an extremist than the Millers 

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Yeahbut. . . .  He doesn't have terminal logorrhea. . . .  

BTW, a good way to scroll: press your mouse button, and move the cursor down or up.  The further you move it from the "bull's eys" the faster the scrolling.  Saves a great deal of wear and tear on the mouse wheel itself. 

Scientists are on the verge of a gasoline type product directly from biomass rather than an alchohol product intermediate step.

ethanol isn't the solution it is an interim solution to a oil based transportation system where much of the oil comes from the Gulf

add our military adventures to the cost of oil when you do equations about ethanol

Big Oil has put out a lot of mis-information about ethanol. It has benefits and costs like all other energy sources, the jobs and profits are all domestic which is another whole discussion.

There are definitely some browser compatability issues involved in all of this as this feature does not appear to function in Safari, but it does work in Firefox and Internet Explorer.  Thanks.

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More easily, one can use plain text where links (typed properly) *automatically* become clickable. . . .  without all the fuss and bother of the little boxes, lol!  

dog soldier 37:

No, the one who gets the nomination needs to sail his own ship, with his own team without any help from any members other than those he chooses to sail his ship.  I would rather have had Mike Gravel, but of the two we have been allowed to choose from, I hope Obama gets the nomination.   I think he should according to the population, but like Al Gore, he may get the run around, then the common pop  are in for more N.A.F.T.A type Republican Conservative help that works against the common pop, hopefully Obama would be more inclined to realize the body politic needs to live..  

Phil Specht 33: 

No not Safari, Firefox.  

puddle 41:

Why do you think the Millers are extremists?  Explain. 

Just scrolled using page up/down: Mr. Miller's post was 48 pages. . . . .  Sometimes you wish peeps on your side were on the other guy's side, considering the amount of damage they do trying to *force* others into their way of thinking. . . .

I disagree,Phil.  People are fiercely loyal to either one or the other.  If HC supporters leave or don't vote or go to McC,  the dems are in big trouble.  To just say that they should decide...who's "they?"   Same goes for BO supporters. We're talking double digit numbers here of people who will not vote or vote for MC  or write in  Minnie Mouse.

In a close race, that would be fatal.

To save this country from MC, I'd vote for a double scoop in a second. 

I'm trying not to think about where we'd be if Gore had run...or JE had not been forced out and given short shrift by the CMWs. 

puddle 41:

Why do you think the Millers are extremists?  Explain.

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Martha if you use language of various parties, you're going to be branded by that use.  That's whether you use language from the thirties fascists OR communists.  Lumpen. . . . .

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Fred from Ashland OR 40:

The link did work.  But when I pulled the link up the information wasn't on the link that had been previouly posted on the link and it had to be redone; then I tried to redo the link but the comment said it was closed, so we posted the link at Post No. 20 which refers to my Post No.13.  .  There wasn't a problem with the link, it was a problem with the information on the link being deleted.  Therefore, the link was redone.  Deleting ones information from the blog should not be allowed or closed, as this post #20 was never allowed to be posted, but was moved to past posts the minute ThomasG posted it.

Martha the blog is broken, everyones posts get jumbled. Thrown back into the middle at times)

Actually, Phil, the problems i have are with the rich text in opera.  Firefox works fine.  What i discovered this morning is that by enabling 'no page style' in the style menu in the view menu you can get rid of the blue sides and have the blog fill the whole screen.

I disagree,Phil.  People are fiercely loyal to either one or the other

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good for them

we settle those issues at the polls

we are talking about the struggle to wrest control of government from the special interests

no one said it would be easy

Could it be the book that Miller has thrown into this mix?

Try the next NEW Thread

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24675

new one

One f^ckin' link, pal.

http://www.emersoncentral.com/conservati...

Enough of the copyright infringement.

HQ~

Up in 48 hrs.: SoapBlox

Legitimate blogware.

http://www.soapblox.net/blog/frontPage.d...

Enough incompetence, already.

lumpen, in case anybody cares, are rags.  in other words, the lumpenproletariat is the social class that can't afford clothing that's not ragged (ripped, unwashed, unironed, etc)  you know, like beggars or bag ladies.  Germans liked to have someone to look down on, too.

puddle

 by using the word "lumpen" we could all get the idea the discussion was one of classs struggle without 480 pages lol

I am used to working with the LaRouche crowd trying to get language in the platform every cycle and am always handed books to back up a plank so I just go with it and take a vote (down)

it all comes down to votes in a democracy and in America free speech

why I favor an IRV system so we could splinter as much as we wanted and then get glued back together in a majority

puddle 49:

I don't know where you have been but Ralph Waldo Emerson had nothing to do with fascism.  LumpenConservatives do help Conservative fascists, but nothing in my posts was about fascists.  The lumpen-proletariat isn't fascist, only ignorant.  Current fascism IS what the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION is having to deal with; but I said nothing about fascism.  I only used ThomasG's Post No. 20 and my Post No. 13 to explain what Conservatism and Liberalism is, as Liberalism is getting a bad rap, when Liberalism IS  the body politic and Conservatism IS the skeleton of the body politic.  Both are essential to the body politic.  You seem to have a problem with understanding.

We passed our new State's party platform on Sunday during our convention. Take a look.

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California Democrats Present Our Blueprint for the Golden State

America’s strength derives from people coming together and working for the common good. We believe in a strong economy that increases political, social, and cultural opportunity. We believe in inclusion and equality so that all can reach their fullest human potential. We are committed to upholding our Federal and State Constitutions, protecting and defending ourselves and our civil liberties, and ensuring justice, freedom, and equal opportunity. We believe that by standing firm and acting positively on these values, America can reclaim her vision and lead the world as a beacon of optimism and unity.

The people of California deserve a government that supports their hard work and shares their hopes for the future. Our Platform represents the Democratic vision for our State, embracing and implementing the dreams of Californians. We firmly defend these American beliefs, values, and traditions and will work with elected officials and activists to achieve our vision in government and in our communities.

The California Democratic Party will:

• Promote peace, real security, the rule of law, and human rights both at home and abroad

• Provide guaranteed support for first responders, military servicemembers, and veterans

• Fight to restore the Constitutional balance among the branches of the federal government

• Create a 21st century economy built on a diverse workforce educated by quality public schools with the right to organize

• Support civil rights, the Americans with Disabilities Access and equality in employment, educational, and economic opportunities

• Ensure universal, comprehensive, and affordable health care for all Californians

• Protect a woman's right to choose how to use her mind, her body and her time

• Secure a dignified retirement for our seniors, including Social Security and Medicare for future generations

• Make California the most energy-independent state, build new industries in the effort to fight global warming and pollution, and protect our natural resources

• Build smart, sustainable, safe, environmentally sound, and caring communities

• Support the arts, especially in our public schools

• Insist upon fiscal common sense, responsibility, and accountability in California and Washington

read the details HERE: http://www.cadem.org/atf/cf/{BF9D7366-E5A7-41C3-8E3F-E06FB835FCCE}/2008%20CDP%20Platform%20Final%20Report%20to%20Convention%203-29-08.pdf

better link: http://www.cadem.org/site/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/...

puddle 49:

As for fascism, our current government is fascism, as fascism is CORPORATE GOVERNANCE with a religious facade.  The United States needs to be rid of fascism, but as long as so many of the people of our country think they are the skeleton of the country, it is highly improbable.   I am trying to get people to understand that they aren't the skeleton of our country and to know what Conservatism is, and that Liberalism is nothing the same.  Liberalism IS the body politic, while Conservatism IS the skeleton of the body politic.

 If you look at the big picture, Clinton was dead after Iowa. She did well in the contests since then, but never could she sway a crowd like Obama. He was the magic man the Democrats had been waiting for. Someone who was against the war from the start, someone who had no back history, and someone who wasnt a Clinton. Sadly, that doesnt mean he'll sweep in November. We need to face the reality of a Democratic-Republican party off-shoot if he fails in November.

Democrats for Mc Cain '08 - (a likely possibility)