Ask me no questions and I'll tell you Dean is first.

CHENEY'S "GREATEST HITS" COLLECTION

Saddam definately had WMD Program-He didn't?

Had mobile chemical and bio labs-He didn't?

We'll be greeted as Liberators-We weren't?

Iraqi oil will pay the War cost-It didn't?

Implied Saddam, Iraq behind 9-11-They weren't?

Stated MISSION ACCOMPLISHED in Iraq-It wasn't?

Said insurgency in its last throes-It wasn't?

Said many great sucesses in Iraq-There aren't?

Said criticism of him is Hogwash-It isn't?

DELUSIONAL DEFERMENT DICK KNOWS HOGWASH!!

This lying SOB lied America into the unnecessary invasion of Iraq. Bringing nothing but death and destruction to a nation and people, who had nothing to do with 9-11. 500,000+ dead innocent Iraqi civilians. Over 4000 dead U.S. Servicemen and 32,000+ wounded. He illegally spied on innocent Americans without getting proper warrants. These two acts alone ARE impeachable offenses. Republican and Democrat elected officials alike MUST uphold their sworn oath to UPHOLD and DEFEND our Constitution!

Or a possible quicker way these criminals could be removed from office:

The American people should demand a complete battery of physchiatric tests from these two delusional, in denial, alcoholics in OUR White House!

Jeff Morris-Saugerties, N.Y.-  DeJaVu57 

puddle wrote

"After that came the regime of "once it's here it's here forever" when *nothing* qualified too despicable to represent us all. Glad to see sanity's returned. . . . "

puddle, I always thought you were a champion of free speech. What did EB write that was despicable?  I didn't read any trashing of posters or calling of names; not even BO trashing.  Would you please post those "despicable" posts this person wrote?  Thank you.

 Phil also welcomed this HC poster and I think we're the only two who did.  This is very sad.

HQ, please explain why you removed the posts.  I've seen awful things from posters who are still here.

Chris Floyd: Still Not Worried? Petraeus Blames Iran for Green Zone Attack Let's be clear. This is an administration that claims the right to go to war on the merest suspicion that some evil foreign entity might attack Americans at some time in some way. This is an administration that has already acted on this deranged--but oh-so-war-profitable--"national defense strategy." An administration that specifically named Iran as a dire threat in the most recent version of this official strategy.

I didn't realize that BFA had officially endorsed a candidate for pres. What I read on all the posts, indicates, that not all are welcome anymore. Just those who share the view that Obama is the only worthwhile candidate period. If so, BFA, ought to headline this as Obama's blog so everyone will know only supporters of his can or will be welcome to post here.

I think I'll just ride off into the sunset... I'm one of those moderates who feels both of the dems are better than what we usually end up with. Exception of course will always be Howard Dean.

When did BFA endorse?  I riding right behind you, jao.  This is definitely not a blog interested in differing opinions anymore.

From Freedom Rider Blog

I think we can stop asking if Bush will attack Iran. This little gem was reported by the German news service DPA.

"The Saudi-based King Abdul-Aziz City for Science and Technology has prepared a proposal that encapsulates the probabilities of leaking nuclear and radiation hazards in case of any unexpected nuclear attacks in Iran, the Okaz Saudi newspaper said."

Well, that little NIE report last fall was just a minor inconvenience. Bush and Cheney know that if they keep lying they get their way. They also know that the Democrats will do nothing. John Conyers swears that he really, really means it this time. He claims he will hold impeachment hearings if Bush attacks Iran. Puhleeze. Spare us. The Democrats will do nothing and Bush knows it.

In a recent EENR entry I posted about Paul Krugman's blog entry regarding the real reason regulators have failed to reign in the excesses of Wall Street. Essentially, the failure was deliberate -- an effort to systematically remove any and all regulation. I guess causing one Great Depression wasn't enough to wake up the laissez-faire jerks into realizing that the days of unrestricted greed should have remained dead and buried; they've been working like hell to create another while making their money, and they appear to have succeeded.

Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number.
Shake your chains to earth, like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you--
Ye are many, they are few.
~Percy Bysshe Shelley

My friend Bernie says he can't believe the American people haven't figured out what it's all about. "The whole damn political scene is nothing but a corporate media freak show," he said. "There's no breathing room between elections -- no time nor interest in investigating, or even addressing, issues that are critical to our survival as a nation. The minute every last dollar is sucked out of the competition, the candidate who bought the most attack ads -- the most face time -- wins, and the election is over. Then," Bernie said with disgust, "it's time to start raising money for the next election, because the media is already out there campaigning."

The U.S., Great Britain and Israel are turning portions of the Middle East into a slice of radioactive hell. They are achieving this by firing what they call "depleted uranium" (DU) ammunition but which is, in fact, radioactive ammunition and it is perhaps the deadliest kind of tactical ammo ever devised in the warped mind of man.

There's a ton of data about this on the Internet for the skeptics: from sources such as the 1999 report of the International Atomic Energy Commission to oncologist members of England's Royal Society of Physicians to U.S. Veterans Administration hospital nuclear medicine doctors to officials at the Basra maternity and pediatric hospital to reporter Scott Peterson of the Christian Science Monitor. Peterson used a Geiger counter in August, 2003 to find radiation readings between 1,000 and 1,900 times normal where bunker buster bombs and munitions had exploded near Baghdad. After all, a typical bunker bomb is said to contain more than a ton of depleted uranium.

HQ, WHERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL BLUE'S POSTS?

by Stephen Fleischman

We don't have nightmares asleep any more--we wake up into them.

An endless war. An imminent crash. An election campaign in which the three contenders are corporate candidates. High crimes and misdemeanors that go unchallenged.

The perfect storm.

This is the United States where the America Dream, at one time, could become a reality. This is the America of Franklin Roosevelt who built a safety net under his people. This is the America of Watergate that forced accountability on its leaders.

No more. We've wakened from the dream into a nightmare.

The Iraq war must go on, says John McCain, Republican presidential candidate, who thinks it will take a hundred years to achieve victory. No one has yet come up with a definition of victory. Democratic candidates talk about ending the war with a variety of timetables that everybody knows will never happen. Big Oil calls the shots.

seashell, as always, you must be aware that freedom of speech ends with the right to call FIRE! in a crowded theatre. This is a privately owned and operated blog, and the owners have every right in the world to police it. I didn't see the posts this morning, and if I had why on earth do you imagine that I would have saved them?

What I did see was that after her post last night, when it wasn't taken as the nectar of the Gods, she got beyond pissy, and very hysterical. Judging from the responses to her this morning, sleep didn't do her much good.

Posting anybody's zip code is NOT disclosing personal information, sorry. And that is ALL that got posted. Unless she imagined that her "join" date is somehow personal?

What I am heartily tired of is peeps joining up, posting tripe, and then running for the hills. Matters not whether it's a Kucinista or a Hill supporter. If one is a believer, and is willing to back up what they say, keep a civil tongue in their head, and stick around, fine.

I hope to see Nader , Obama, and Mccrust debate before I decide if I will vote. The msm and partys may not want that.

from an above article.  I totally concur that we must again implore Gore to snap it up at the convention..or get the nomination on a third party.  LINDA NM, will you spearhead another campaign to get him to  enter as a third party candidate?  I think Hagel would be behind him...at this point we have everything to lose without him.  We must at least try to convince him that this is life and death for our country.  The 3 running now are MOTS....death knells for this once great country.

"The current election is possibly the most important in US history. Yet, ironically, thanks to the media, few of us in either party have a horse in this race. We have one last chance to change that. We must stand together and support a candidate whose love for country overshadows party loyalty and media sound bites -- a candidate who will fight for the freedoms and rights bestowed upon us by the founding fathers -- who will work to restore our infrastructure and our environment. That candidate is former Vice President Al Gore, the man legally elected President of the United States in 2000. It's time to heal the wound and move on to the Inauguration.

Together, we must ask Al Gore to answer the call one last time. If it takes a new party, so be it. Because saving our republic, repairing our Constitution, and returning the power to the people is what it's all about."

AMEN and goodnight. 

TIME FOR A THIRD PARTY.

Gore/Dean

Gore/Boxer 

Gore/Hagel (?) 

from above article:

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"Everyone is waiting for that other shoe to drop. The Bush-Cheney gang is down to its last nine months. In January of 2009, something new happens.
It's a long wait. The joisting has been going on for almost a year.

While Barack Obama is a favorite boy of Wall Street, Hillary not only does well on the "street", but is also the darling of the defense (war) industry. Obama picked up a paltry $474,428 from Goldman Sachs as well as anywhere from a quarter million or more from Time Warner, Citigroup, Inc, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase & Co among others.

Hillary did better with Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, Raytheon, and General Dynamics who gave Democratic candidates $103,900, Hillary getting the lion's share of that.

According to the Federal Election Commission, Republican John McCain raked in a whopping $58,950,601 as of March 1st, $684,294 of it coming from PACs.

The oligarchy always hedges its bets. One way or the other, it gets the man (or woman) it wants."

Now definitely zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Good morning, BFA!

It's nice to see Danny back.

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Stopped by the WaPo just to grab Froomkin's column from yesterday.

It's worth a read, both for the topic and for the other urls it takes you too.

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Another Bleak Milestone
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, March 24, 2008; 12:24 PM

Don't expect to hear from President Bush directly about the grim threshold that was crossed yesterday, as the U.S. death toll in Iraq passed 4,000. White House policy is to minimize the significance of such milestones.

Bush was out on the South Lawn of the White House this morning, cheerfully blowing the whistle to start the annual Easter Egg Roll and getting a hug from the Easter Bunny.

Meanwhile, it fell to press secretary Dana Perino to assure the country that Bush cared about all the lives his war has cost. "President Bush believes that every life is precious, and he spends time every day thinking about those who've lost their lives on the battlefield," Perino said in this morning's gaggle, via Ben Feller of the Associated Press.

"The president has said the hardest thing a commander in chief will do is send young men and women into combat, and he's grieved for every lost American life, from the very first several years ago to those lost today," Perino said. "He bears the responsibility for the decisions that he made. He also bears the responsibility to continue to focus on succeeding."

But what's particularly depressing about the death toll in Iraq is that there's no end in sight.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

putz is bleating about how the outcome in Iraq will be its justification.

Talk about figments of the imagination.

If only putz & prick were figments ,,, what a living nightmare! Why the MSM even give space to these confirmed and serial liars shows how much control of our once proud press exists.

Juan Cole talks about what's really happening.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Sadrists' Civil Disobedience Campaign

On Tuesday morning, major clashes broke out between government security forces and local Basra militias (including the Mahdi Army) that sent black smoke billowing in the air above the oil port. A strict curfew was imposed and schools were closed. Reuters reports:

' "Basra is half empty. There are no vehicles and no one is going to work. People are afraid to go out," said a military official in the city, speaking on condition of anonymity.

A hospital source said "tens of wounded" were arriving at hospitals and that some were too busy to accept more casualties. '

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http://www.juancole.com/2008/03/sadrists...

Here's a perspective on Tibet that one doesn't often see.

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Just like America, China is building a multi-ethnic empire in the west
Tibet and Xinjiang have the misfortune of having resources the Asian giant wants, and being on the path to resources it needs
Parag Khanna
The Guardian, Tuesday March 25 2008

It is difficult to find a westerner who does not intuitively support the idea of a free Tibet. But would Americans ever let go of Texas or California? For China, the Anglo-Russian great game for control of central Asia was neither inconclusive nor fruitless, something that cannot be said for Russia or Britain. Indeed, China was the big winner.

Boundary agreements in 1895 and 1907 gave Russia the Pamir mountains and established the Wakhan Corridor - the slender eastern tongue of Afghanistan that borders China - as a buffer to Britain. But rather than cede East Turkestan (Uighurstan) to the Russians, the British financed China's recapture of the territory, which it organised into Xinjiang (which means "New Dominions"). While West Turkestan was splintered into the hermetic Soviet Stans, China reasserted its traditional dominance over Xinjiang and Tibet, today its largest - and least stable - provinces. (Beijing has now accused the Dalai Lama of colluding with Muslim Uighur separatists in Xinjiang.) But without them, the country would be like America without all territory west of the Rockies: denied its continental majesty and status.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

There have been immediate and positive changes in Pakistan since the accession of the new PM.

Wonder how long they will be allowed to last.

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New Pakistani prime minister frees judges
· Bhutto loyalist elected with huge majority
· New leader calls for UN inquiry into assassination
Declan Walsh in Islamabad
The Guardian, Tuesday March 25 2008

Pakistan's new prime minister ordered the release from house arrest of the country's former chief justice within minutes of coming to power yesterday, driving home how rapidly President Pervez Musharraf's authority is ebbing.

Shortly after he was elected by a thumping majority by the new parliament, Yousaf Raza Gilani ordered the release of about 10 judges, headed by Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, who have been illegally detained at home since November 3.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar...

A milestone death for those of us here who remember the Beatles from the beginning of their US triumph. This is one man who really *knew them when.*

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Neil Aspinall, the 'fifth Beatle', dies aged 66
By Chris Green
Tuesday, 25 March 2008

He managed Apple records, sang in the chorus of "Yellow Submarine" and was known affectionately within the music industry as the "real fifth Beatle". Few people had such an intimate knowledge of the world's most famous band as Neil Aspinall, who died yesterday in a New York hospital after a short illness.

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Aspinall, who is survived by his wife Suzy and five children, went to school with McCartney and George Harrison at the Liverpool Institute for Boys. He abandoned his plans to study to be an accountant when the Beatles were formed, agreeing to become the band's road manager and assistant, and often driving the quartet to their gigs in his battered blue Commer van.

Although he had no formal music training, Aspinall played a variety of percussion instruments on the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour album, and sang the chorus of "Yellow Submarine".

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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entert...

One very sad result of the latest market turmoil and rapidly rising commodities prices.

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Threat to millions as food aid scheme runs out of money
By Peter Popham
Tuesday, 25 March 2008

Faced with the dramatically spiralling costs of wheat, rice and corn, the World Food Programme has made an unprecedented appeal for at least $500m (£250m) to help it continue supplying food aid to 73 million needy people this year.

Josette Sheeran, the organisation's executive director, told journalists yesterday that this was the first time in its history that the WFP had appealed for funds, not because of a crisis caused by famine or war but because of market conditions. And she warned that if extra resources were not received before the beginning of May, food rations would have to be cut.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...

Our BFA prick *So?* thread was a few back.

Here is one outraged POV that I hadn't seen before.

I'm with Moore on this, btw.

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So? …
by Michael Moore

It would have to happen on Easter Sunday, wouldn’t it, that the 4,000th American soldier would die in Iraq. Play me that crazy preacher again, will you, about how maybe God, in all his infinite wisdom, may not exactly be blessing America these days. Is anyone surprised? 4,000 dead. Unofficial estimates are that there may be up to 100,000 wounded, injured, or mentally ruined by this war. And there could be up to a million Iraqi dead. We will pay the consequences of this for a long, long time. God will keep blessing America.

And where is Darth Vader in all this? A reporter from ABC News this week told Dick Cheney, in regards to Iraq, “two-thirds of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.” Cheney cut her off with a one word answer: “So?”

“So?” As in, “So what?” As in, “F*** you. I could care less.”

I would like every American to see Cheney flip the virtual bird at the them, the American people. Click here and pass it around. Then ask yourself why we haven’t risen up and thrown him and his puppet out of the White House.

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008...

Here's an interesting piece from the latest Newsweek about the various plots that Saddam and his henchmen were involved in.

You guessed it: No, nada, zilch ties to al Qaeda. Also, according to this story, not even ties to a plot to kill putz's progenitor.

If al Qaeda is in Iraq now (figmentally or in the flesh), it is only because of our illegal invasion and occupation.

A paranoid puppet indeed.

OUT. NOW.

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Saddam’s Files
They show terror plots, but raise new questions about some U.S. claims.
Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 1:21 PM ET Mar 22, 2008

President Bush said lots of things about Saddam Hussein in the run-up to the Iraq War. But few of his charges grabbed more attention than an unscripted remark he made at a Texas political fund-raiser on Sept. 26, 2002. "After all, this is a guy who tried to kill my dad at one time," Bush said. The comment referred to a 1993 claim by the Kuwaiti government—accepted by the Clinton administration—that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) had plotted to assassinate President George H.W. Bush during a trip to Kuwait that spring. Ever since, armchair psychologists have suggested that personal revenge may have been one reason for the president's determination to overthrow Saddam's regime.

But curiously little has been heard about the allegedly foiled assassination plot in the five years since the U.S. military invaded Iraq. A just-released Pentagon study on the Iraqi regime's ties to terrorism only adds to the mystery. The review, conducted for the Pentagon's Joint Forces Command, combed through 600,000 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents seized after the fall of Baghdad, as well as thousands of hours of audio- and videotapes of Saddam's conversations with his ministers and top aides. The study found that the IIS kept remarkably detailed records of virtually every operation it planned, including plots to assassinate Iraqi exiles and to supply explosives and booby-trapped suitcases to Iraqi embassies. But the Pentagon researchers found no documents that referred to a plan to kill Bush. The absence was conspicuous because researchers, aware of its potential significance, were looking for such evidence. "It was surprising," said one source familiar with the preparation of the report (who under Pentagon ground rules was not permitted to speak on the record). Given how much the Iraqis did document, "you would have thought there would have been some veiled reference to something about [the plot]."

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/128620/output...

Some bits of (dated) local news. If you read French, there's are more recent pieces in *l'Actu.*

This is the last, so have good ones.

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Credit Suisse issues warning

Switzerland’s second-biggest bank warns it will likely post a loss for the first quarter as the impact of the American subprime crisis lingers.
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http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune_de_...(contenu)/208272


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Right Bank residents seek more trains

Geneva communities on the north side of Lake Geneva lobby for increased evening and weekend rail service.

[...]
http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune_de_...(contenu)/208211

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Calmy-Rey heads to the Balkans

After fending off criticism from a trip to Iran, the Swiss foreign affairs minister faces Serbian wrath over her planned visit to Kosovo.

[...]
http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune_de_...(contenu)/208193

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Rolle faces growing pains

The long overlooked community amidst the grape vines is in the throes of a historic transformation with the arrival of several major multinational companies.

[...]
http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune_de_...(contenu)/207820

Sorry, just to note that the *'s* should have been dropped from *there's* ... now on into the day now that the morning snow has melted.

Good morning, everybody

Dick Cheney is merely performing his function as co-president in taking upon himself the hard decisions that are the head honcho's.  That's what they're there for--to make choices/take decisions.  It's what the people who hate making choices more than anything expect of them.  It's because he/they take on that onerous burden that everything is forgiven.  Choosing implies the possibility of being wrong.  That's what those who hate choosing  are trying to avoid--the POSSIBILITY of being wrong.  They realize it's probably inevitable, but they're still looking for a guarantee of being always in the right and that's what being obedient gets them. You see, the alternative to obedience isn't disobedience; it's choice.  Choice is what is to be avoided at all costs.  So, when democrats offer such people choices, it's like handing them poison.

Dick and Bush Two, in taking up the cross of making choices are drinking from the bitter cup of fate.  That they have made mistakes is not to be held against them.  It was to be expected and is their burden.  That they are reckless in their decisions is also to be expected.  Only the reckless can be brave enough to take decisions with potentially negative effects for themselves and others.

This is a belief system.  I'm not sure you can argue with a belief system.  I'm not sure it's worth the time trying.  What the people who adhere to this system are doing is reducing choice to the bare minimum.  The make one choice, follow one commandment--to be obedient--and they're done for good. With that one choice they wipe out not only all future choices, but uncertainty itself.  That's the real pay-off. No more uncertainty; no more insecurity.  When Bush/Cheney promise security, that's what they mean.  It's really just another word for certainty.  "Security," "certainty" and "surety"--they're all the same.  That's why their followers are satisfied with insurance being on the agenda.  As in everything else, in health insurance it's the promise that counts; not the reality.  Just everybody knows that everybody's going to die, eventually, they full expect to be injured or taken ill.  They don't expect health insurance to prevent that or even to be made healthy.  Indeed, they don't expect anything.  The purpose of health insurance is to make them feel secure, sure that someone cares about and makes decisions about their well-being.  So, they are supportive of health insurance for everyone.  And not much concerned about what's actually delivered.  I expect that's why the conservative proposal for "consumer-driven health care" hasn't gained any acceptance.  Real conservatives want people to make choices and they want people to confront the fact that whatever benefits they get have to be deserved--that obedience is not enough.  Real conservatives are realists and they're into personal responsibility.

Which brings me to the realization that we don't really have a good handle on how to categorize Bush/Cheney and their gang of charlatans.  They are taking advantage of a rather unique belief system.  Are their victims simply fundamentalists?  Is that what it boils down to?  The fundamentalists are the base.  So, in a very real sense, they're  the American alQaeda and Bush/Cheney recognize the person of bin Laden as a competitor.  As the old saying goes, "it takes one to know one."  Bin Laden strikes terror into the hearts of Bush/Cheney because they recognize themselves in him.

5:37 AM EDT

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/politics/25obama.html

Obama’s Test: Can a Liberal Be a Unifier?

But this promise leads, inevitably, to a question: Can such a majority be built and led by Mr. Obama, whose voting record was, by one ranking, the most liberal in the Senate last year?

Also, and more immediately, if Mr. Obama wins the Democratic nomination, how will his promise of a new and less polarized type of politics fare against the Republican attacks that since the 1980s have portrayed Democrats as far out of step with the country’s values?

To many political strategists, the furor over the racial views of Mr. Obama’s former pastor is only the first of many such tests the senator will face if he is the nominee.

Mr. Obama, in an interview that was conducted on March 15, in the midst of that controversy, said he was confident that Americans were eager for a new kind of politics and were convinced that “a lot of these old labels don’t apply anymore.”

He said he was a progressive and a pragmatist, eager to tackle the big issues like health care and convinced that the Democrats could — and should — rally independents and disaffected Republicans to their agenda. Only then, he said, could the party achieve what it has so rarely won in modern presidential elections: a mandate to do big things.

“Senator Clinton’s argument in this campaign,” he said, “has really been that you can’t change the electoral map, that it’s a static map and we are inalterably divided, so we’ve got to eke out a victory and then try to govern more competently than George Bush has. My argument is that if that’s what we’re settling for, after seven or eight years of disastrous policies on the part of the Bush administration, then we’re not going to deliver on the big changes that are needed.”

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has worked hard in the Senate to moderate her liberal image and forge working relationships with Republicans. But with her husband’s tumultuous presidency still fresh in some voters’ minds, she is often cast as a hyperpartisan Democrat who would try to achieve her ends by beating the Republicans at the same brutal (and often futile) competition that has dominated Washington for years.

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In many ways, the Obama campaign is challenging the fundamental political premise that has prevailed in Washington for more than a generation: that any majority coalition must be carefully centrist, if not center-right.

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Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, often displays the wariness of Democrats who came of political age in the Reagan era, when the party was constantly on the defensive. As The New Republic recently put it, “Clintonism is a political strategy that assumes a skeptical public; Obamaism is a way of actualizing a latent ideological majority.”

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Just in case it's not obvious, in a system in which the public is perceived to have ceded choice to the chief executive, subsequent input is irrelevant.  That's why Cheney said 'So?'  Their mandate is a one-time thing.  No do-overs; no revision; and no re-negging.  A deal's a deal.  Think Dr. Faustus.  When you sell your soul to the devil, that's it.  No second chances.  If you want certainty, you can't have doubt.

No wonder the Reverend Jeremiah gets exercised!

Often enough we expect evil to have an ugly face and are surprised when it's pretty.  In this case, we were mistaken about the ugly.  Serves us right for not being superficial.  lol 

* rdorgan,  The answer to your question is simple if you define a liberal as someone who is self-directed and committed to personal responsibility, someone who's committed to communal values on the basis of consensus.

What we need to expose is that what's being touted as "unselfish" behavior is simply unquestioning obedience.  And we all see where that's got us.  One think that's got is hundreds of thousands of young people coming home from the war realizing that they were tricked into being killers.  Because, you see, what they were sent to protect us from was already back here at home.  The evil doers are sitting in the White House. 

Only a liberal can build the new majority, The public must be given a choice, a real change.

enough of the conservatives already

new thread