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Michigan and Florida Re Do's

Written by: Linda on Mar 20, 2008 10:58 AM EDT

I would like to ask that all Obama supporters (or not) please contact the
Obama campaign to ask they stop blocking, even ReDo Votes in Michigan and
Florida, so they have a chance for their votes to count.

We all know that Michigan and Florida lost their votes and Delegates when
they moved their Primaries prior to Feb 5. Governor Dean tirelessly
worked to get them to change their dates, even hold a 2nd Primary or
Caucus later on so their votes would count and they could seat their
Delegates. No other plan came to fruition. Hillary has been supporting
the states wishes and has supported, along with Governor Dean, reVotes.
Senator Obama's blocking
is claiming a reVote may embarrass the Democratic
Party. WHAT? On the contrary. I and voters can't believe that he would
try to deny voters their opportunity to be heard. Governor Dean has asked
both candidates agree on the solution. Governor Dean supports ReVotes,
Hillary supports ReVotes, Obama will not agree
to anything, AND TODAY IS
THE DEADLINE.
This is not demanding previous unsanctioned results count. This is an
opportunity for a REDO. Ask Senator Obama to agree to a new Primary
Election so Voters can be HEARD.

To reach the Campaign Headquarters by phone, please call: (866) 675-2008
Barack Obama


Where is the outrage from his supporters? This is so contrary to what he
claims. Where is the outrage from his Surrogates, like Senator Kennedy
and Jesse Jackson, blocking voters chance to be heard?


PLEASE CALL, NOW!

To reach the Campaign Headquarters by phone, please call: (866) 675-2008
Barack Obama

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By Linda on Mar 20, 2008 11:05 AM EDT

Howard Dean is Number One.

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By Tom Bearse on Mar 20, 2008 12:58 PM EDT

I agree that the primary should be scheduled for a date that complies with DNC delegate selection rules, although the Michigan legislature has not been responsive enough to allow much, if any time, to get this accomplished.  Dean supported this remedy early on in the process.  Among the principals, he is the only player who has remained honest and true to his word since the beginning.

Most of the objections made by the Obama campaign are legitimate.  It's well established that the absence of a valid primary in the first place led to a sizeable number of Democrats crossing over to the Republican contest to, successfully, cause trouble for McCain campaign.  These Democrats won't be permitted to vote in the Democratic caucus, as they would have except for the state's badly bungled primary date selection.  Furthermore, the clerks from the City of Detroit and elsewhere have made it clear that getting ready, staffing polling places, and counting votes will be difficult in the time remaining. 

I would urge him to cooperate with it anyway.  Like volney, I believe that Obama will gain vote share in a head to head competition with Clinton, as compared to a fully illegitimate vote total that Clinton compiled on a ballot without him.  I also think that Clinton can't make up significant ground at this stage of the race, making Obama's agreement as much a gesture towards inclusion than anything else. 

Despite my love of political spectacle, I'm certain it won't be helpful for either candidate if there is a nasty floor fight to seat delegates from Michigan or Florida at the convention.  I'm simply suggesting to the Obama camp to call Clinton on her bluff and accept the results, because they don't threaten to upset his glide path to the nomination in the way that handing this opportunity to Clinton to paint him as an obstructionist possibly does. 

Clinton has grasped at any chance to dismiss caucus victories, latch on to once discounted primary results, and otherwise respond to her survival instincts to grab hold of the nomination at whatever price necessary.  Going along with a Michigan Democratic caucus is a gamble, but it's one Obama should accept, because it would remove a possible objection to the legitimacy of his nomination from Clinton's quiver, and leaves any possible charges of flauting the delegate selection process for her own purposes against Clinton alone.

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By FRED from OR on Mar 20, 2008 1:20 PM EDT

I will do nothing of the kind

I watch Obama closely and there is nowhere did I hear him say or read that he is in any way opposed to a legitimate vote for these States, or any kind of process in that regard.  It is Hillary who broke the rules, broke her words with the DNC, and is now insinuating lies about Obama's position on it.

Hillary should drop out,  or be put out, by the party for such dirty tricks.

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By Tom Bearse on Mar 20, 2008 1:47 PM EDT

Fred wrote "I watch Obama closely and there is nowhere did I hear him say or read that he is in any way opposed to a legitimate vote for these States, or any kind of process in that regard."

I think this is true by Obama's own statements, but that may be political cover for the statements and actions of his campaign staff, state and national, who I think are clearly balking at any kind of a Democratic Party caucus in Michigan.

As I mentioned, there have legitimate objections made by the campaign to the format.  But I'm nagged by the sense that the downside for Obama of just the possiblity of losing a small handful of Michigan delegates to Clinton, is far outweighed by the advantage of taking action  to help recognize the Michigan delegation, and the legitimate possiblity that he could gain votes in a state where he has not been listed as a candidate before, on a ballot that Democrats believed would be counted.

Linda has reproduced Detroit News and Free Press articles that document opposition to the Democratic caucus in June by Tupac Hunter and Buzz Thomas, both campaign officials in Michigan. Also, Bob Bauer, the campaign's chief counsel, has raised concerns about the private funding, about whether the timing would permit the Justice Department to approve the contest under the Voting Rights Act, and about barring Democrats who voted in the Republican primary, which is a DNC requirement.

Clinton is definitely pulling some shit, but she has deftly set a trap that I would prefer Obama stay clear of. 

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By Phil Specht on Mar 20, 2008 6:47 PM EDT

 who I think are clearly balking at any kind of a Democratic Party caucus in Michigan.

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just not true

Republican legislators are

they could caucus at the District Conventions like Iowa does and it would cost nothing

Hillary is balking at the idea of a caucus instead of a primary

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By Tom Bearse on Mar 20, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
Phil wrote "just not true [that Obama's campaign staff are clearly balking at any kind of a Democratic Party caucus in Michigan.]"

Well, I think they are.  I pointed out the individuals, I've alluded to their statements, and I've indicated that the reports are in the news articles which Linda linked to and quoted from in an earlier thread.  Why don't you read them if you'd care to discuss this?

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By Susan Rowe on Mar 21, 2008 1:41 PM EDT

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SANTA FE, New Mexico - New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, the nation's only Hispanic governor, is endorsing Sen. Barack Obama for president, calling him a "once-in-a- lifetime leader" who can unite the nation and restore America's international leadership. ...full article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23740104

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