Howard Dean is first everyday, but today he is more firstest, or I should say Most firstest.

Time to come to his aid., send him some love and overwhelm the DNC site with our support for the difficult job he is doing.

Good firsties, Audrey.

A BO/Sibelius ticket is a sure loser.  I'd be really hard-pressed to vote for that one.  Sibelius a heart beat away?  I think not.  We shall see about who has good judgment.  Sibelius is KS, Boxer is CA.  It's a no brainer even for me.  :-)

from the above article by Huron: 

"This is nowhere more evident than with the media blackout of the Winter Soldier Investigations in Silver Spring, Maryland from March 13 through March 16. You would think that the spectacle of several hundred servicemen and women and ex-servicemen and women who have served in Iraq gathering to expose major war crimes as well as maltreatment of veterans, not to mention Iraqis, would warrant at least a few seconds of coverage. But no, this is nowhere to be found. When I search the NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX NEWS, or even NPR websites, I get, at best, some links to the Vietnam Era Winter Soldier Investigation, if that. Oh, and there is some mention of a Winter Soldier character in a Captain America Marvel comicbook. That sums it all up, doesn't it? The Holocaust taking place in Iraq, trumped by a comic book in our cartoon culture."   

Good potato laugh, Daniel.

 

 

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/24244...

backtrack thread

Audrey, I agree. I will send some money this week.

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DANIEL ROONEY
Sun, 03/16/08

now you think Aspartame is bad for you i told you all about it yrs ago same as Fluoride now your quoting ron paul, just maybe you will think about your next drink of water too! pure life from nestle is reverse osmosis is good.
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Rooney, you are off-the-wall because on one hand you disparage the corporate pollution in our lives and their power over government, and then you condone a laissez-faire tax-cut, small government deregulated libertarianism.

government has a purpose. To speak in behalf of the common person and regulate the forces of business, trade and capitalism. You cannot play a game without rules and referees.

4:09 PM EST 

FOX is outfoxed ?:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080316/ap_on_el_pr/obama_fox_news_2

'Fox News Sunday' prods Obama on no-show

17 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Hoping to prod Barack Obama into appearing on its show, "Fox News Sunday" launched the "Obama Watch," a weekly update on the number of days the Democratic presidential candidate has failed to appear on the program.

Host Chris Wallace said Sunday that Obama promised him in March 2006 that he would come on the show, but the Illinois senator has since demurred.

Since then, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, has been a guest twice and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the likely Republican nominee for president, has shown up a half dozen times.

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McCain is a poor puppy.  I doubt that his brain disfunction is a result of his incarceration.  More likely, flying up in the stratosphere has a negative effect.  That might account for Bush Two, as well.

We've been very forgiving of mental disabilities.  Think of Ronald Reagan.  But, I'd argue that we can't afford that at present.

 

Re FOX--I'd suggest that there are plenty of videos on YouTube that they could show.  Whole speeches, in fact.

That programming would be just as cheap as having Obama on live and more informative. 

4:14 PM EST

Well, if Obama becomes president and he still does not show up on FOX for an interview, does that mean that FOX news will be irrelevant ?  That it's viewers will be even less knowledgeable about current events ?

Yes, and it's not as if they didn't get plenty of advance notice about the Winter Soldier event.  However, it's sure not to fit into the script, so we'll have to wait at least six months for it to be convered.

Besides, if our troops did commit attrocities, all the more reason to expect that the Iraqis will be wanting to take revenge.  At this point, it really is a no-win situation.  How do you convince people steeped in guilt that they have nothing to fear? 

Minstry of Propaganda...hmmmm

"We have to catapault the propaganda."

Putz 

SEASHELL....

tHANKS, i WAS firsty then fourthies, and now sixies. Pretty soon it will be on the next thread,lol.

Pretty interesting story about former Gov. of Al Siegelman now in jail for bribery. Some are saying it was a political case. Now someone is saying he is being beaten in jail. A poster at DKos who is not revealing the source, but is saying it is unimpeachable. They are asking for an investigation and his release from jail.

Funny how the Repugs are so anxious to impeach, jail and ridicule Dems, but we can't bring ourselves to impeach Cheney and Bush.

The article about Siegelman is at DU.

* rdorgan

Presumably, when Barack Obama is president he will answer the questions of FOX reporters the same as any other press person's.  In the normal course of events, free media tends to be conditioned on paid ads.  So, one suspects that FOX is really complaining about not making any money off the Obama campaign.   But, of course, it wouldn't be politic to say that, would it? 

As much as I don't like guns and killing, if Americans' guns are taken away by the SC, it's paving the way for...yup....no way to protect ourselves against a police state.  JMO

Let's start by getting those awful *I forgot what they're called* off the street.  The ones that can kill 15 people in one second...or something like that.

Anni, safe travels.

"How do you convince people steeped in guilt that they have nothing to fear?"  by Monica

And the more the fear is conscious, or even unconscious, the more these people will want revenge against the innocent ones.

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"You are never angry at what people did to you.  You are ALWAYS angry at what you did to them."   Jampolsky

As Judy would say, think about it. 

 

If the powers that be want a war prez with a VP who appeals to the crazy wing of the fundis, then McC wins.  Especially in a close race, and they're all close these years, aren't they?

Bets, anyone?

 

 

Thanks for reminding me audrey.  I intended to send a check since i won't use PayPal.   As I understand it, he was convicted for prompting a rich man to donate to a public service campaign and then "rewarded" him by appointing him to serve on some sort of authority.  I don't know that the position to which the person was appointed actually pays a salary.  The argument seemed to be that the person's position on the board would somehow promote his business associates.  It is claimed that there was no evidence of Don Siegleman getting a penny for himself; only that he intended to provide an opportunity for someone else to benefit his friends.

Why will i send money for his defense?  Well. because appeals cost money, even if the lawyers work pro bono.  Gathering transcripts and interviewing witnesses with a court reporter present does not come free.  But, what persuaded me was the little nugget of information that 90% of the African American voters in Alabama voted for him.  That makes it clear that Don Siegleman is a nigger-lover and there's no more despised person in the South. Race traitors are responsible for blacks getting benefits and privileges that they don't deserve.  You see, when you're sure that a population is worthless, then any advancement they achieve must be somebody else's fault.  The suppression of African Americans has always been accomplished by destroying those who crossed the line.

Don Siegleman is lucky that he's merely in prison rather than buried in a levee like those civil rights workers of long ago.  That's progress! 

Obama has refused to go on FOX because of their attacks on him and because he believes they are not a reliable news source.  if you haven't seen them yet, Greenwald has done 2 videos about it. 

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/573-fox-attacks-obama

Hey, Judy, I just ran across NanceGreggs and will post this. Not trying to steal your thunder.  :-)

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A Little Even-Handedness (in Hopes That it Doesn’t Offend)

While I appreciate that tensions are at an all-time high around here these days, perhaps a little overall perspective might be in order – or might be shot down in flames, as the case may be.

There have been endless posts about how Obama doesn’t know what he’s up against when it comes to the inevitable Republican propaganda catapult being hauled out, readied for battle, and aimed in his direction.

The truth is that every time he’s been hit, he has not only survived, he has come out ahead of the game.

By the same token, Hillary came into the game having to face years of pent-up hatred from the RW, as a living symbol of everything despised by their ilk: from being the wife of the man who had the audacity to successfully challenge the inevitability of a George H.W. Bush presidency to being a woman who didn’t know her place – which, in GOP terms, lies somewhere between barefoot-and-pregnant and being seen but never, ever, under any circumstances, heard.

The inconvenient truth is that the GOP started preparing the onslaught of lies and innuendo to be aimed at Hillary years ago. They didn’t foresee (just as many Democrats did not foresee) that Barack Obama would come out of nowhere and become the front-runner.

No doubt they are busily working overtime to correct that oversight even as we speak. But to say that Hillary has been ‘completely vetted’, and there is nothing left for the Right to throw at her is, at best, naïve – and, at worst, delusional; almost as delusional as thinking that Obama is the darling of the MSM, and faces smooth sailing' from here on in.

But the real lesson to be learned here is that the Democrats have, for far too long, made their decision of who to run based solely on what nastiness the GOP might have up their sleeves, ready to unleash on some poor, unsuspecting candidate.

This was the point of my most recent post: if Christ himself was to try and run on the Democratic ticket, so-called cooler heads would prevail by declaring him too vulnerable to swiftboating to be a viable candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5101194
 

Fox News certainly comes pretty close to Goebbels' ministry of propaganda.

Please make your check out to:  
Don Siegelman Legal Defense
Fund

Then mail your check to:
P. O. Box 430116
Birmingham, Alabama 35243

5:18 PM

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Monica Smith
Sun, 03/16/08
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So, one suspects that FOX is really complaining about not making any money off the Obama campaign.   But, of course, it wouldn't be politic to say that, would it? +++Monica -Indeed.

Puddle will be happy to know -- last night I bought a hard copy of

Dreams from My Father - Obama's first book that he wrote in 1995. I've heard people say it was better than his last book.
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Too, funny Fred. I got it myself yesterday, lol!

Monica....

I lived in Al in the fifties for about 6 months. One night a group of guys were going coon hunting, their way of saying they were going out to harass blacks. Of course I had to tell them what I thought, and they told my friend that if he didn't get "control" of his woman they would see to it that he did. They tried to preserve their white male supremacy from the pulpit to the community and the family. But, even then, there were those who wanted to change that, and hadn't found their voces yet.

China Cracks Down in Tibet and Beyond as Protests Spread
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031608A.shtml
Mark Magnier writes for The Los Angeles Times: "The spread of protests from Lhasa, the Tibetan capital, to neighboring communities and now Gansu province represents a crisis for a government eager to project an image of friendly confidence and cultural refinement in advance of the Beijing Olympics."

Yes, a boycott of the Olympics would be a disappointment for the athletes; but,...but,  killing innocent Tibetans is much harder on the Tibetans, don't ya think?

I say boycott.  With the human rights violations of China (and the U.S), the Olympics shouldn't be held there anyway.  We need to stop enabling countries that war and enslave women and children.

Try Iceland next time.  Or Lichtenstein.  :-) 

To continue the games in to say that sports come before the lives of Tibetans.  Of course, here in the sports crazed U.S., that might be the case. 

my 3 cents. 

no boycott

new thread

 JBS will work in similar fashion in the packing industry, bidding up cattle (in the short run) to take over capacity until they drive competitors out of business. It is likely they will also bolster smaller domestic cattle supplies with cheap imports thus accomplishing the same thing. (The latter will be less likely to happen with country of origin labeling finally in place). It’s a shame that the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, the American Meat Institute, and the National Meat Association have been so successful over the years in convincing those in cattle country and in Washington D.C. that a concentrated packing industry that fixes prices, denies market access, and stuffs the market at key times with its own supplies is superior to one that is competitive, innovative, and concerned about its suppliers (cattle producers) and its customers (consumers). Because packing industry lobbyists were successful back then, both the meatpacking and cattle industries are frightfully susceptible to collapse now. All of this seems especially unfortunate as our government has not only allowed a monopoly to exist in the packing industry, but also appears willing to allow the dominant player to be foreign-owned while leaving U.S. companies at a competitive disadvantage. Surely our ancestors are rolling in their graves at the shortsighted, cold-hearted, and even unpatriotic nature of these actions. Competition reform for agriculture — and specifically for the packing industry — is currently under consideration by the U. S. Congress as part of the farm bill package. Hopefully these competition reforms being championed by Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley and others will become law in time to override the shortsightedness of the last forty years. Eric NelsonMoville, IA

President, Independent Cattlemen of Iowa

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this email as a Brazilian meat packer (JBS) threatens to take over the top spot in America

the "and others" referred to include Senator Harkin, so this guy probably is a Republican, but twice a day even a stopped clock tells time