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America Betrayed: Will Progressives Take the Fall?
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Created by joe_at_rockridge (Rockridge Institute staff member) on Friday, February 1, 2008 06:00 AMThe story of Iraq will be told as a story of betrayal. But which version of that story prevails – who is cast as the betrayer – will have profound and lasting consequences for the future of our country.
This article was co-authored with guest Rockridge Fellow Scott Parkinson.
As we enter this crucial election year, progressives need to be wary that our greatest strength – our long-standing opposition to the debacle in Iraq – could become our greatest weakness. A trap has been set to clamp down on progressives when the apparent progress from the 'surge' inevitably unravels into a new round of intense violence.
Are we going to sit idly by while right-wing millionaires and billionaires fund campaigns like Freedom's Watch, with its plans to spend $250 million this year to smear progressive leaders as betrayers? We need to set the terms of the debate before the barrage of deceptions issue forth. At this critical time in our nation's history, the consequences of inaction and complacency could not be more dire.
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The truth is that we have been betrayed by an extremist right-wing ideology that currently goes by the name 'conservative.' Its well-funded message machine lulled the public into a false confidence that led to the most devastating abuse of our military for private gain in this country's history. Contrary to the arguments of many critics, this is not simply a botched policy or misguided approach.
An Exceptional Story
A trap has been set for progressives, and it comes in the form of a story. The betrayal has been made possible by the conservative take on the Myth of American Exceptionalism. This belief that we are the Great Nation, whose military endeavors always side with the Good, has set in motion a vicious cycle. It is the belief that our country is inherently good and our military strength is unrivaled. Consistency requires that our 'enemy' must be evil – and is always the lesser foe. Failure is impossible in a fair contest. If we lose, it must be a failure from within. We must have been betrayed.
Kevin Baker, in a Harper's article published in 2006, distilled this tale of betrayal into a political formula used by conservatives:
- Advocate some momentarily popular but reckless policy.
- Deny culpability when that policy is exposed as disastrous (and remain steadfast even when it becomes unpopular).
- Blame the disaster on internal enemies who hate America.
- Repeat, always making sure to increase the number of internal enemies.
(The betrayal story is also discussed on Alternet and Atlantic Monthly.)
The stage has been set for laying the blame on us. In the run-up to the escalation these phrases were repeated far and wide by unknowing journalists:
- "defeatist"
- "cut-and-run"
- "embolden the enemy"
- "not supporting the troops"
- "break the will of the American people"
- "lack of resolve"
- "demoralizing the troops"
- "the party of appeasement"
Often innocently quoted from interviews with conservatives, these phrases reinforce associations in people's brains between peace activists and the disaster in Iraq.
The debate has been framed against us. Our brains have been conditioned through repetitive accusations that opponents of the Iraq occupation are "emboldening the enemy" with their "defeatism" until the only thing that makes sense is the betrayal of America by war-hating peace mongers.
Talk about a twisted role reversal.
Tell a Different Story
Conservatives have spread a virus, incubating their ideas in our brains with the hope that they would replicate across the country. They have planted seeds of conservative thought to be born by a media that doesn't realize it is complicit in propagating the Betrayal Myth. Our responsibility as citizens is to get the truth out there ahead of the next round of lies. We can take away its capacity to influence our thinking by becoming sensitized to the hidden meaning of these words.
Presenting the facts without changing the story will not be enough. Flesh-and-blood human beings just don't all reason to rational conclusions. We have to pre-empt the trap by revealing the true betrayal of America – the deceptive conservative agenda and its anti-democratic goals.
Simply pointing out the Betrayal Myth is not enough. Repetition will only make the associations stronger. A major finding of the cognitive sciences – the array of disciplines devoted to the study of brain, mind, and thought – is that the majority of human thought is structured outside conscious awareness. A key strategic goal for progressives must be to make conscious the trap and the real betrayal.
The Framing of Betrayal
In order to be a betrayal, the lies must be done consciously, willfully, and callously.
The Iraq betrayal was orchestrated from the beginning. In 1994, nearly a decade before the invasion, Dick Cheney himself predicted thequagmire we have found ourselves in. He clearly articulated how such an invasion would destabilize the entire region, result in huge casualties, and lead to a costly and endless occupation. Eight years later, during the build-up to war in 2002, he told a different story about easy victory and a warm welcome that contradicted his previous statements.
Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld were among the signers of apublic statement released in 1998 that laid out their plans to control the Middle East as members of the Project for a New American Century.
In his first National Security Council meeting, a mere ten days after being inaugurated, Bush informed Secretary of Treasury Paul O'Neill that he was focused on invading Iraq. They plotted the invasion of Iraq willfully and consciously years before Bush entered the oval office, knowing its deadly consequences.
They were motivated by the desire to control the Middle East militarily and economically, expand presidential powers, and move our country in a conservative – and militaristic – direction and away from societal needs. Many of these objectives have been achieved. They have built permanent military bases, moved toward their vision of a 'unitary executive' at home, and shifted trillions of dollars away from schools, roads, and health care for our people.
Cheney's 1994 interview shows that they knew full well the consequences of their actions. Their claim in 2003 that we would be greeted as liberators was a boldface lie. They just didn't care about the massive death, maiming and destruction in Iraq or the crippled economy we would experience at home. Every reason given for the invasion was a lie – no WMDs, no link between Iraq's government and Al Qaeda, and no real democracy or respect for human rights. Moreover, they have privatized Iraq's economy with conservative economic policy.
Proponents of the invasion and occupation do not acknowledge the violence in Iraq grew directly from the invasion itself and was sustained by a foreign occupation during the instability that followed. Throughout the entire affair, they insisted on calling it a war rather than the more honest description of occupation, which it became in 2003 with the fall of Saddam Hussein's government. The war metaphor allowed them to repeatedly frame our options as "win" vs. "surrender."
And a new BIG LIE has been crafted and spread. We have been told repeatedly that the so-called surge is working. This is simply false. Through a combination of offering arms and bribes to Sunni fighters, temporary cease-fires as militias regroup, ethnic cleansing, andsurrendering territories to militias, there is a shift in violence statistics that has no direct bearing on the increased number of U.S. troops in Iraq. And of course there is no violence in places where there are no people. Estimates for refugees who have fled the country range from three to four million people. The 'surge' has failed to serve its stated purpose – the government is as dysfunctional as ever and the living conditions are abysmal.
Worst of all, those who profit from the conflict are not paying for it. While the conservative elite benefit from tax cuts, the rest of us will be paying the debt for decades. Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz estimates that the conflict will cost American tax-payers $3 trillion. Along the way, we have been left to struggle with a declining value of the dollar, diminished education, and an aging infrastructure that is falling apart.
And let's not forget what Alan Greenspan said, "The Iraq war is largely about oil." This is where a particular kind of lie, the deception by omission, has been instigated. Conservatives take care to avoid mention of the 30 year oil contracts to U.S. companies or the permanent military bases. Obsessively focused on the occurrence of violent outbreaks, these developments have gone largely undiscussed by the press.
This is the story we need to tell and repeat:
The Betrayal of Trust
At the time of the invasion, there were four BIG LIES. We were told that (1) we were threatened with weapons of mass destruction, (2) Saddam Hussein's government was responsible for 9/1, (3) we were going to spread democracy, and (4) the conflict would be short and easy with minimal damage at a total cost of about $100 billion. Every reason given for the invasion was a lie – no WMDs, no link between Iraq's government and terrorists, and no true democracy, and all the horrors that Cheney knew in advance would occur.
Now we have another betrayal, the BIG LIE – that the so-called 'surge'is working. With this Big Lie in place, occupation hawks will be especially well-positioned to blame the inevitable rise in violence and discord in Iraq on those patriotic Americans who are working to end the occupation. It has been accompanied by a key deception-by-omission where the 30 year oil contracts to U.S. companies and construction of permanent military bases are ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.
All the while, hundreds of thousands have been killed and maimed. Destruction is widespread. Conservative elites benefit from tax cuts and sky-rocketing profits while we get stuck with the $3 trillion bill, lost opportunities at home, and a crippled economy. Most of it was known in advance, planned, and carried out. A colossal betrayal.
This is the real betrayal story. We must head off their Myth of Betrayal. Nothing less than our democracy is at stake.
What Needs to Be Done
First and foremost, we must reframe the debate. This needs to happen on several fronts:
The invasion of Iraq was a betrayal of trust, not a mistake.
It is an occupation, not a war.
The escalation has failed, because it has not delivered meaningful political progress.
Congress is the decider, not the president
Getting the language right is only part of the solution. We also need to get the message out far and wide to counter the swift-boaters. And we need to act before they do. It is essential that we synergize the netroots, grassroots, independent media, and progressive organizations to counter the decades old conservative infrastructure.
It is vital that we tell the truth with a powerful narrative and preempt their betrayal narrative before it becomes established. People are ready for the truth.
Also posted at AlterNet.
Howard IS first, no matter how the blog jumbles stuff!
Turned on CNN for the first time in a very long time, heard Michelle Obama was going to be on Larry King, no Michelle.
CNN pretty much sucks. James Carville is a flipping idiot.
I hope this isn't a secret...DFA didn't say it was a secret in their email so I hope they arn't mad I'm posting this here, but they are apparently deciding on a new logo tommorrow.
What do you guys think? Personally I think they shouldn't change it.
they are working on a logo instead of fixing the blog huh?
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a flat tire a week for a month
they are apparently deciding on a new logo tommorrow.
What do you guys think? Personally I think they shouldn't change it.
Who cares? Isn't Obama for change?
What needs to be changed is the functioning of this blog.
Now, that would be something...................
sunlight wrote: Who cares?
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I don't know. Maybe nobody. Democracy For Vermont has a banner with the old logo. We'll use it anyway when we table, march, etc. I know a lot of local/state groups have designed their logo to match DFA's. I guess they can change that, or not. It just seems like a waste of 4 years of branding the current logo to change it now...
The Shadow
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"The Shadow
The Shadow, is a psychological term introduced by the late Swiss psychiatrist, Dr. Carl G. Jung. It is everything in us that is unconscious, repressed, undeveloped and denied. These are dark rejected aspects of our being as well as light, so there is positive undeveloped potential in the Shadow that we don’t know about because anything that is unconscious, we don’t know about.
The Shadow is an archetype. And what an archetype simply means is that it is typical in consciousness for everyone. Everyone has a Shadow. This is not something that one or two people have. We all have a Shadow and a confrontation with the Shadow is essential for self awareness. We cannot learn about ourselves if we do not learn about our Shadow so therefore we are going to attract it through the mirrors of other people
...Changing our attitude from blame to responsibility will change what happens next in our world. Our destiny is of our own making and what goes on inside of us will be reflected outside of us all the time.
I am very fond of this ancient axiom given to us by the alchemists of long ago: “As above, so below, as within, so without, so that the miracle of the one can be established.” What it is saying is that what is within us, will also be oustide of us. ( this is what I meant by there's nobody out there since we're projecting)Inner states of consciousness will be reflected in outer situations time and time again. If we are willing to look at the significance of these repeating patterns, we will see the syncronicity of events and situations and ultimately once integrated the miracle of the one is established as we become one with ourselves"
http://www.shadowdance.com/shadow/theshadow.html
So What Does This Look Like in Real Life?
We have all had experiences with other people that really irritate us. Whenever we feel ourselves over-reacting emotionally to a quality or characteristic in someone else that pushes all of our buttons (and there will be a repulsive element to it), we can be sure that we are seeing a part of our own Shadow.
We will not be able to stand this other person or be around them at all. The reaction is usually extreme distaste as these characteristics or qualities that we despise or hate in others are our own and they are usually operating outside of our awareness. They are in our unconscious and usually they will be the exact opposite of what we believe to be true about ourselves.
Now a person carrying a light part of our Shadow we will be very drawn to, and may even fall in love with, and this is the ‘Gold’ part of our Shadow. So we can also project some of our very positive qualities when we meet someone we truly admire, but most of us have more trouble with the negative experiences as we encounter our Shadow. This is the psyche’s way of bringing itself into the light meaning the light of consciousness.
Absolutely, paine! I'm glad you know about the dark part of the shadow too.
This blog is a great learning place, since whenever we're upset with s/o or with what s/o says, we get a chance to look at our own inner selves. It's really quite fascinating.
Perhaps when I speak of BO being fluff, I'm acknowledging my own inner fluffiness. LOL
I'm still gonna vote for him since there's no choice, is there?
T^hat^ last was from this clip:
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Your body needs fright. It likes it. Your body needs the darkness and the wind. Your body now knows the gait of power and can't wait to try it.
I've told you that the secret of a strong body is not in what you do to it but what you don't do. Now it is time for you not to do what you always do.
Practice not-doing by looking at a tree or bush; fix your attention not on the leaves but on the shadows of the leaves. Running in the darkness does not have to be spurred by fear but can be a very natural reaction of a jubilant body that knows how to not-do.
To not-do what you know how to do is the key to power. In the case of looking at a tree or bush, what you know how to do is to focus immediately on the foliage. The shadows of the leaves or the spaces in between the leaves are never your concern. Start focusing on the shadows of the leaves on one single branch and then eventually work your way to the whole tree, and don't let your eyes go back to the leaves, because the first deliberate step to storing personal power is to allow the body to not-do. The body likes things like this. You can stop the world using this technique. Once you have succeeded, you must work as if nothing has happened to you and don't mention or even be concerned with any of the events you have experienced.
* * *
so with NSA doing warrantless domestic spying they can catch any customer of any escort service?
what was the wiretap for anyway?
And, it's also easy to use all this jargon and theory to excuse ourselves of responsibility for what we say and do.
As Sunlight says, there is no good without evil, and it's true within ourselves we embody good and evil. But, to ignore the reality of society wherein people are perseucted, oppressed, maligned by saying it's a shadow self is an excuse for doing nothing.
I'm still gonna vote for him since there's no choice, is there?
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seashell you have arrived an an Oregonian truth of sorts, when can you get an early ballot and progress on to buyer's remorse?
I'm still gonna vote for him since there's no choice, is there?
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I don't know anything, but leaving that line out might have been a way to store personal power (IE not doing).
As an artist, I'm intrigued by negative space...what I don't paint and how it forms itself ... The negative space in a painting is often much more interesting than what people are actually looking at. I'm just finishing one such painting. Interestingly, most of the negative spaces in my paintings evolve by themselves.
So when I critique BO, I listen to the spaces between the words and what he doesn't say...same with HC ....and same with everything and everyone. For me, this is the grey area of intuitive knowledge....of knowing w/o knowing why or how.
Paine, you get this, don't you? From Don Juan....whom I love.
There is an excellent program on Eleanor Roosevelt on PBS right now if anyone is interested.
Jessica, my opinion is that I'll be annoyed if DFA changes the logo to be much different. Many groups around the country designed their own logos to mimic the national one, as I did for mine.
Sea, my brother has spoken of the white/unused portion of a composition. I gather, and believe, there is a lot there-where there is nothing.
21. seashell :-)
I'm still gonna vote for him since there's no choice, is there?
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You can go to Sweden or France, but he's about the best you'll get here.
Pat if Bush really thought it was people rather than some abstraction who were dying on his order he is a bigger Monster than the ones his war is creating. seashell (Jung) has it right, (or Plato who started that conversation)
who is brave enough to step out of the shadows in the cave, into the sunlight of truth
in my work at the State Mental Institution I often thought that the "sane" ones were the ones who could sucessfully create an alternate universe for themselves, because the real world was pretty harsh
It's time to speak some truth to power.
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PETER A. BROWN: Howard Dean certainly has chutzpah
You've got to give Howard Dean credit for chutzpah if nothing else.
But he might want to wonder if the White House is worth fighting with your own folks over a few (million) shekels.
The Democratic National Committee chairman has finally realized that his effort to teach state Democratic parties a lesson has backfired and he must prevent his spat with Michigan and Florida from ruining the party's national convention.
If not, the Democrats face the kind of convention that could both badly split the party and provide a televised drama that might well make millions of voters reconsider their initial inclination to toss the Republicans from power.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's Texas and Ohio victories made clear that the Democrats must deal with the Florida and Michigan problem sooner rather than later. Dean now wants each of them to have "do over" votes to pick the convention delegates he stripped from them. But he insists that because the state parties created the problem to begin with, they must pay the many millions of dollars such primaries or caucuses would cost.
Dean, who has been known to let out a scream or two, might have been doing just that when her victories forced him to reconsider his position that Florida and Michigan didn't deserve representation.
...full jackass opinion found HERE:
http://www.sacbee.com/846/story/768603.h...
http://www.fresnobee.com/644/story/44899...
http://www.fremonttribune.com/articles/2...
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/317/stor...
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Find a McClatchy newspaper near you and write to Mr. Brown.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/184
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True, Paine. LOL
And, it's also easy to use all this jargon and theory to excuse ourselves of responsibility for what we say and do.
Pat, that's not what this is about. It's Jungian/Casteneda discourse.
As Sunlight says, there is no good without evil, and it's true within ourselves we embody good and evil. But, to ignore the reality of society wherein people are perseucted, oppressed, maligned by saying it's a shadow self is an excuse for doing nothing.
There is no evil, which we learn from religion, IMO, but there certainly is the result of what seems to be outer evil - which is the projection of fear and hate coming from the shadow self. The bush BH is a prime example of projecting their own shadows onto the world, resulting in war and death and more hate and fear.
When the fear and hate are seen for what they are - parts of the inner hidden self, they lose their power over the consciousness and we can than move into love and tolerance. Dealing with the shadow side is the ultimate desire to be responsible.
So yes, we need to address and reduce or end suffering, but it ain't gonna happen as long as hate and fear exist within ourselves.
To change the world, we have to change ourselves. No small thing, since mostly it takes huge amounts of willingness to be responsible and often it takes therapy, as Phil said. 12 step meetings address the shadow often and that's what the 4th step is about. .. a personal inventory, leaving the other people out of it. Not easy, but doable.
~DFA changes the logo~
So, that's it? DFA is doing a ***top-down*** !!!
Danny (boy), you need to send word to those {{{upstairs}}} LOL;-(
that many who *try* to communicate with (a budding behemoth)DFA, while posting at BFA, have a growing negative resonance.
Be well, sea. Everyone, I'm positive, wishes you well.
LOL, wishes you and your shadow well LOL. kidding you.
Pat in Colorado
Mon, 03/10/08
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Off to watch the negative space of Bill Maher. Good discussion folks, enjoyed it.
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LOL!!!
Once when I was in my younger and more innocent years
I was of the opion that stupid (people) will die out
So, not to worry about stupids.
Later when I found out how stupid I am
I realized my earlier opinion was wrong
fortunately for me, I'm still alive.~
Jessica,
about the logo change,
1. It sucks if it was done top down which it seems like.
2. Good point about everyone having to change their logo. Does the expense justify the results?
What would be the reason to change. Yeah, I guess it's the top down thing that doesn't sit right.
OMG, I was think of the song "Me and My Shadow." Horrible grammar. I and my shadow are thinking of dancing. LOL
Hung Chow calls into work and says, " Hey, I no come work today, I really sick. I got headache, stomach ache and legs hurt. I no come work."
The boss says, " I really need you today. When I feel like this, I go to my wife and tell her to give me sex. That makes everything better and I go to work. You try that."
Two hours later Hung Chow calls again. "I do what you say and I feel great. I be at work soon...you got nice house."
To confront a person with his own shadow
is to show him his own light.
--Carl G. Jung
This month, our Feature Articles are looking at the theme of "Shadow Work."
Shadow Work.
To confront a person with his own shadow
is to show him his own light.
--Carl G. Jung
http://www.soulfulliving.com/july02features.htm
This month, our Feature Articles are looking at the theme of "Shadow Work."
Each of our contributing experts shares his/her own unique methods and techniques for uncovering, exploring, and working with our shadow selves for personal growth and spiritual development. By understanding, accepting and integrating all of our "selves," both the positive and the negative, we allow our wholeness [holiness] to unfold. We are able to embrace, love and honor the Divine uniqueness in ourselves, as well as in all humanity.
May peace and joy be yours, as you discover the light of Spirit in your shadow!
Enjoy!
Each of our contributing experts shares his/her own unique methods and techniques for uncovering, exploring, and working with our shadow selves for personal growth and spiritual development. By understanding, accepting and integrating all of our "selves," both the positive and the negative, we allow our wholeness [holiness] to unfold. We are able to embrace, love and honor the Divine uniqueness in ourselves, as well as in all humanity.
May peace and joy be yours, as you discover the light of Spirit in your shadow!
Enjoy!
Oh my, my shadow made me do that. Remember Flip Wilson? :-)
Sunlight wrote: Yeah, I guess it's the top down thing that doesn't sit right.
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They emailed the state leaders' list today. As an afterthought? (Now they really may be mad at me!) They need input by tomorrow and it just didn't seem fair to me that the people at BFA (who have kept this website "alive" for the past 4 years, even though they're not state leaders) shouldn't get to have input. Anyway, here's the quiestions they asked:
Name 3 adjectives you think of when you think of DFA
Name 3 verbs you think of when you think of DFA
To you, what is the most important thing DFA has done in the past 2 years
Of all the slogans and phrases DFA uses, in your mind, what slogan best reflects what DFA does
Name 2 things you don't like about the current DFA logo
Name 2 things you do like about the current DFA logo
If you choose only one color to define DFA what would it be
Would you be opposed to getting away from red/white/blue color scheme
There is no evil, which we learn from religion,
Ah, now we are getting somewhere.
Once you look at nature, you know there is killing, death, destruction and renewal, spring, vitality.
Movement.
Nature is alway on the move.
what was the wiretap for anyway?
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We can all read the (shadows of the) tea leaves.
Dirty tricks! ...of the tricky dicky variety.
Keep the logo, fix the blog!
Local news tonight, state lawmakers say that Eliot Spitzer will be resigning very soon. Both Dems and GOPs said this. And I was surprised that many of the GOPs interviewed seemed to feel genuinely sad over the whole situation.
David Paterson will be the new governor. There will be no replacement lieutenant governor. Paterson will be only the third black governor in the country since reconstruction. And they also said he is legally blind. He's from Harlem.
The budget hasn't been passed yet, the timing of all this couldn't be worse.
Phil, the feds were investigating the call girl ring because they transport the hookers across state lines, a federal crime. Spitzer requested his "date" go from NY to DC and paid her travel. He could be charged with a federal felony for this with a max sentence of 20 years.
Strangely, he had her come to a DC hotel room reserved in his own name, so this would have come out eventually no matter what.
Geez.
-- volney
They emailed the state leaders' list today. As an afterthought? (Now they really may be mad at me!)
Jessica, you are doing good.
The way I would read the input request.......they don't know what they are doing.
They can't even fix this blog. Sorry, I'm not having a very positive opinion of DFA.
Flip Wilson?
Yup. I had a high school girl friend take me to one of his shows. Nice, but the only tickets she could afford were in niger-heaven.
Comedy is in the eye of the beholder;-)
Oh yeah, and Spitzer has already retained a top Manhattan law firm to defend him.
-- volney
"If you imagine someone who is brave enough to withdraw all his projections, then you get an individual who is conscious of a pretty thick shadow. Such a man has saddled himself with new problems and conflicts. He has become a serious problem to himself, as he is now unable to say that they do this or that, they are wrong, and they must be fought against. He lives in the "House of the Gathering." Such a man knows that whatever is wrong in the world is in himself, and if he only learns to deal with his own shadow he has done something real for the world. He has succeeded in shouldering at least an infinitesimal part of the gigantic, unsolved social problems of our day."
http://psikoloji.fisek.com.tr/jung/shadow.htm
Strangely, he had her come to a DC hotel room reserved in his own name, so this would have come out eventually no matter what.
That's what I don't understand, are they so stupid that they think they can get away with it?
Or do they want to be caught?
(Now they really may be mad at me!)
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No way. You are being a catalyst. If they (our over-lords? Hell no! Better think twice)...want a new logo, *they* will accept any input from BFA, which you generate.
Thanks for the tip.
The three things I think of when I think of DFA:
broken blog
broken blog
broken blog.
You don't redecorate when the roof is leaking, peeps. Fix the house and decorate later.
Just my 2 cents.
Nite all!
-- volney
He registered in his own name? Maybe he wanted to get caught.
Did ya'll know that shadows are faster than light? I read a simple little book years ago, that demonstrated that and of course I can't remember the name of the book.
Yes, I Can!!! "Mr. God, this is Anna."
55.
It gets even better. He left a key at the desk for her but then apparently he was worried it wouldn't work so he left his door ajar besides.
Eliot Spitzer is a very tall and unusual looking man who would be recognized by many.
Think of walking by a hotel room with an open door, looking in and seeing Abe Lincoln.
Yeah, at sme level he wanted to be caught.
-- volney
Seashell......
It is great fun painting the negative spaces leaving the image to emerge.
Barbara Nechis is a terrific water colorist who paints in that style. I used to teach it in my classes. barbara's studio is in Ca., do you know her. Her paintings have a wonderful flow and design.
Lifted from daily kos poster:
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Barack Obama was born in 1961 to a white mother and African American father. During that year it was illegal for interracial marriage in Wyoming, Missouri, Maryland, and Georgia (among other states). Obama won all 4 of those primaries.
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Nite all.
Poster was incorrect though. Obama's father wasn't African *American* obviously he was from Kenya - not America.
Jessica
Please, you might create a simple thread front page, which asks BFA the questions:-
Name 3 adjectives you think of when you think of DFA
Name 3 verbs you think of when you think of DFA
To you, what is the most important thing DFA has done in the past 2 years
Of all the slogans and phrases DFA uses, in your mind, what slogan best reflects what DFA does
Name 2 things you don't like about the current DFA logo
Name 2 things you do like about the current DFA logo
If you choose only one color to define DFA what would it be
Would you be opposed to getting away from red/white/blue color scheme
volney - I guess the Feds caught him through the suspicious nature of wiring his funds. He had a pretty expensive habit. My gosh.
I was just listening to Anderson Cooper on CNN and they reported Spitzer registered under the name of someone named Fox, who was a large donor to his campaign.
A donor for a boner - ay carumba.
Democratic, y, z
Founding (fathers), revolution, create.
Generated movement for opposition to Lieberman and movement for Howard to DNC Chair (oops, more than 2yrs ago).
grassroot activism, endorsement of fiscally responsible and socially progressive candidates.
I don't *get* the three colors currently used.
One color? Blue.
Would you be opposed to getting away from red/white/blue color scheme? No, not at all. With in reason.
Gee, one must be really miserable to want to be caught.
Imn2Paine wrote: One color? Blue.
I agree because it's Dean's color.
Did ya'll know that shadows are faster than light?
So far nothing is faster than the speed of light.
Then I imagine to be in a train that travels at the speed of light.
I walk forward in the train. Then I think the train goes at the speed of light and I run forward in the train.
Does that mean I'm moving forward faster than the speed of light?
Jessica
I recall the discussion of Howard's ties
this was after the crushies gift-a tie with whales
and I was adamant that red (Republican red vests and the red of the English Red Coat) was unacceptable IMHO.
Blue works ;-)
Imn2Paine,
A blue whale logo! It's perfect! The crushies would faint! LOL!
Doh, sunlight. I'll guess he just wanted some lady to walk into his life for a moment. Free and easy. The door is open. Would you come in?
And some posters 'speculated' that he wanted to be caught.
I would agree.
Or do you think he is that stupid that he thought he could get away with it?
I hate to say this. Really I do. The people running DFA are Morons.
1. They take a perfectly good and functioning blog, with a huge usership, and downgrade it until it's barely readable.
2. They take a very good functioning system, and refuse to police it.
3. They destroy the history of the creation of this movement through the changes they make to a perfectly good system. (All of the original pictures, links, email addies, and time stamps of the first two years and beyond are gone.)
5. Throughout this process the end users are screaming to high heaven to STOP IT!! They are unable to stop themselves.
6. Despite the fact that they're having fundraising problems, they don't stop: they just keep throwing more money and more money at the non-problem.
7. More and more people leave. As mainefem pointed out, their technorati listing in in the toilet.
AND FINALLY: Not having alienated enough peeps, they decide to change the damned logo, as if that, in the middle of an election, mattered on whit.
JEZUZ H CHRIST!!!!!
The crushies would faint! LOL!
>
Hey! I'm an honorary crushie, and I don't faint. But, LOL you are on to something there! I don't know how the *whale* might be spun, but ::thumbs up!:: ;-)
Or do you think he is that stupid that he thought he could get away with it?
< Yes. One or the other, buddy.
WOW!
I scrolled back to find the lady herself:
55.
puddle
Mon, 03/10/08
Reply to thisI hate to say this. Really I do. The people running DFA are Morons.
1. They take a perfectly good and functioning blog, with a huge usership, and downgrade it until it's barely readable.
2. They take a very good functioning system, and refuse to police it.
3. They destroy the history of the creation of this movement through the changes they make to a perfectly good system. (All of the original pictures, links, email addies, and time stamps of the first two years and beyond are gone.)
5. Throughout this process the end users are screaming to high heaven to STOP IT!! They are unable to stop themselves.
6. Despite the fact that they're having fundraising problems, they don't stop: they just keep throwing more money and more money at the non-problem.
7. More and more people leave. As mainefem pointed out, their technorati listing in in the toilet.
AND FINALLY: Not having alienated enough peeps, they decide to change the damned logo, as if that, in the middle of an election, mattered on whit.
JEZUZ H CHRIST!!!!!
new thread!
Perhaps all power is too much. Makes peeps believe they are beyond being *caught* Look at Gary Hart. . . . He practically *challenged* the press to catch him. They did.
Just watched Bill Maher, sorry, Seashell, Phil, Paine, and others, I have read Jung, and I also know that we could yadda yadda yadda, and the Nazis would still round up the Jews, the Gypsies and the Slovaks. Uh uh.
Humans have always been capable of the most wonderful and most terrible acts, and yes, we have a responsibility to know ourselves, to live ethically, to do no harm, but in a world where an insane government sends people to their deaths, we must take a stand.
Narcissism in a disease of our times. It's all me, me, me, and I don't have to do anything but recognize myself. For me, that doesn't work, ethically, logically, realistically. When there is slander, libel, lies, manipulation, we have a responsiblity to call it out. When an opinion is worthless: (Strawberry ice cream is the best in the world) , we need to say, that's an opinon and based only on one person's subjective viewpoint. Not all opinions of are of equal matter, and, I believe we have rational faculties because we need them to survive.
We need the wisdom of Jung, Castenada, Buddha, Lao Tse, Rumi, and so many others, need it desperately, but it is not an excuse for not acting, for not taking into account that people are being harmed. That's what I'm objecting to. We have a responsibility to act ethically, to protect, to seek the truth, to live justly and mecirfully, and all the shadow stuff is simply an explanation for what exists in the human soul. It doesn't exempt us from responsible action.
I don't know where you're going sunlight, but
It is
I am into (Thomas) Paine
I am into (S&M/B&D) pain - (tongue-in-cheek, and also to advance a minority community, which I have no affiliation to)
Oh, one other sunlight
Imn2Paine was the product of my realization that my use of the pseudonym Paine was inappropriate.
Wanted to be caught
Doh, I heard that on COUNTDOWN(repeated late at night), so I guess it is a meme that s(unlight)ome are repeating. At least, that is the way I read the shadows created by the relevant objects.
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