Nice map showing Obama's wins.

http://www.barackobama.com/images/featur...

thanks for a great post, Phil.  now if only the corpmediacritters would stick to the facts...

and are they still lumping FL and MI votes into Hillary's totals?  bizarre reasoning behind that, for sure!

Howard is first - nice post Phil :)

w00t Phil! :o)

Jo

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"On September 25, 2004, just three days after Iran began converting tons of uranium into gas--a crucial step in making fuel for an atomic reactor or an atomic bomb--Obama told the Chicago Tribune that the US should first take the issue to the United Nations Security Council and try to persuade the international community to apply economic sanctions on Tehran.

However, if those measures fall short, the US should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear production sites in Iran, Obama said.

He asked: "The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?"

Missile strikes might be a viable, though not "optimal" option, he said, adding that the war in Iraq more or less ruled out the possibility of a land invasion of Iran.

http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/09/nuclear-flip-flop-obama-talked-about.html 

Speechless!

bye for now 

Barack-ing news!

Today in Casper he said point-blank he has no interest whatsoever in being Hilly's VP/flunky.

Good for him. He gets a spine award for sure.

Phil, glad they promoted your great analysis!

-- volney

seahell, I would not elect anyone who would ever rule out a military option in any particular situation. I would want to elect someone clever enough to keep it on the table always but meanwhile find a more effective, less costly approach.

-- volney

Great post Phil! Thankful to ya for it!

Susan, I got a donation page rather than a map w/ your link.

Yes, it would be nice if the counts reflected reality... msnbc shows HC as winner of TX. At least they don't count in the MI and FL delegates in totals.

4:18 pm est

Here is the meat from the article seashell posted.
Notice, the specific trigger event for Obama is nuclear weapons.
So who is going to watch a nuc missle on a pad controlled by someone as nutty as Bush and not respond? Remember, it is 2004 and a lot has changed since then.
If anyone is not concerned about who controls the Pakistan nucs, they don't belong in office.
The obvious path is dialog with Iran and Pakistan - which Barack will do. Maybe seashell can cite the article where Hillary chides Barack for talking to people?
Try this one....
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_...


[snip]
He asked: "The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?"

Missile strikes might be a viable, though not "optimal" option, he said, adding that the war in Iraq more or less ruled out the possibility of a land invasion of Iran.

Senate candidate Obama: "In light of the fact that we're now in Iraq, with all the problems in terms of perceptions about America that have been created, us launching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in.

"On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse. So I guess my instinct would be to err on not having those weapons in the possession of the ruling clerics of Iran. ... And I hope it doesn't get to that point. But realistically, as I watch how this thing has evolved, I'd be surprised if Iran blinked at this point."

A coup in Pakistan, which could put the nation's nuclear weapons in hands of Islamists, would compel the US to consider military action, Obama said.

Howard is going to be on the morning talk shows. Straight talk about Party Rules.Should be interesting. 

oops, tried to post that at 4:18 but lsot the connection. Time to work on pie...

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

4:37 pm est

Phil

Good blog!

My contention is that the "lazy press" is doing so for their own bottom line. Keep the horse race going, which at this time is to try and make it look like Hillary actually has a chance so stay tuned. It's the same story with the re-do's which would not make any difference. Obama would still the pledged delegates.

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I watched the young mayor of Pittsburg who is a super delegate answer a question about who he will support. His answer should be of course whoever has the most pledged delegates.

But the arrogant snip said he would determine who was best for our country and that would be his vote. He knows not what he wishes for, the twerp!

How many more of these arrogant, misguided supers are there out there? Don't they know we, the voters, have the upper hand?

If such an upset were to happen by such self-indulgent people who are no more qualified than any of us as individuals to decide what is best for us all, the Dem Party would split in two fractions and McCain would certainly have a shot at the WH. I hope Dean can get this point across clearly and plainly. He will need help from Al Gore, the other Dem candidates, and other influentials within the party.

This is in the Chicago Tribune (dated tomorrow, which I'm guessing is the day they'll actually print it... 

The vote was once denied to women. It was denied to blacks. It was denied to those without land. And today, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm tell us, it is being denied to their people.

The Democratic and Republican Parties are depriving them of delegates to the nominating conventions because they held their primaries too early, and the governors are horrified at this treatment. "The right to vote is at the very foundation of our democracy," they said in a statement. "It is intolerable that the national political parties have denied the citizens of Michigan and Florida their votes and voices at their respective national conventions."

....

 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-florida-michigan-chapman-column,1,2718543.column

Peace. "Dogma"

oops, tried to post that at 4:18 but lsot the connection. Time to work on pie...

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

4:37 pm est

Thankful, the caucus vote counting in TX will take awhile yet. They really don't have to finish it until 3/29. When it's done and certified and shows Obama picking up more TX delegates than Hill, you know the media will run with that.

Unfortunately, it may make her supporters work even harder in PA. Or maybe it will be the last straw.

As of right now he's leading in 21 of 31 state senate districts (I previously thought they were CDs, sorry). Since the counting started, there's been a one-district swing in his direction.

-- volney

Thankful. Please stop by with pie. We miss you.  :-(   "Dogma and family"

Obama told the Chicago Tribune that the US should first take the issue to the United Nations Security Council and try to persuade the international community to apply economic sanctions on Tehran.

 seashell,

Yes, he is absolutely correct. You always want to leave all your options open to protect our country, beginning with diplomacy, unless of course we are already under attack.

I remain torn about who to vote for if Hillary gets the nod.
The standard Dem platfrom is superior to the standard Repub platform. But Hillary is just too dishonest to get my vote. McCain is no great shakes either but Hillary's attempts at a scorched earth policy are hurting her more then Obama.
I may end of voting for Hillary. Every election year, we max out our family campaign monetary support. We do signs, have meetups. etc. We are not passive at all. We cannot do this for Hillary. She may get our votes, or maybe not, but she will not get our active support.
If Obama wins then we will support the candidate as we always do.
Hillary may win the nomination but she loses tthe general because of character flaws.

Interesting article about the Florida/Michigan mess. This one is about Florida but you could just about change it to Michigan and it would fit our situation here.

People may not like this but the prospect of Bubba prowling the WH halls is just too awful to contemplate. Hillary can't tie him up forever.

the 3:00 a.m. ad girl story has hit the airwaves. Nice coverage of it on CNN Ballot Box.

Gorgeous 17 year-old gal, now an ardent Obama supporter who will be 18 by Nov.

This is a comment from the article that Karen cited...

Comment: This is ridiculous -- a senator who has openly endorsed clinton and a republican governor who would love to see hillary as the nominee since she would be the easier candidate to beat in november (just ask rush limbaugh or look at poll after poll that show obama with a bigger lead over mccain...or the fact obama could win a state or 2 in the south) teaming up to hijack the election for hillary. a mail-in only election would be a joke to start with and it's insane to change the rules of the game at this point, particularly when the leaders of the initiative are biased.

look, if you asked me before the primaries started, my answer would have been 100% "yes", florida should count. but 3/4ths into the game it's ridiculous to change the rules under this hair-brained scheme. hillary NEVER protested the decision to disqualify florida or michigan. if she had, i'd respect her position. she is only protesting the decision now that she thinks she needs them to win. what a farce. that is NOT leadership. if she thought it was sooo important not to 'disenfranchise' florida voters, she should have taken up that battle in the beginning.

does anyone truly, objectively doubt, that if hillary had lost florida, that hillary and bill nelson would be so strongly pushing for a revote now?? if you do, you have zero ability to judget human behavior. if she lost florida, she absolutely would not be pushing for this. you might say obama is self-interested too, but at least he has had a consistent position on this matter from day 1.

Great post, Phil.  And despite the FACT that the MSM doesn't want to admit they were too hasty in declaring Hillary the winner, it's Obama who gets the most delegates.

I am repeating what I wrote in a drive-by yesterday.  I wrestled with my conscience and my conscience won...for a change.  I cannot and will not vote for Hillary Clinton.  And of course I can't vote for McBush either.  I struggled with the idea that the Supreme Court could be impacted if enough of us don't vote for Hillary if she cheats and bullies her way to the nomination and then loses in the general.  But I will vote the down ticket candidates in an effort to have a larger majority in the House and Senate.

Here's what Teacherken wrote on the same subject on Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/8/63542/50320/869/472038

And for a spot-on laugh from Andy Borowitz, try this:

"In her relentless attack ads before the Texas and Ohio primaries, and in public comments since, Hillary has said that Obama is not ready to pick up the "red phone" and serve as Commander-in-Chief. If that's true, why would she imperil the nation by choosing him as her vice-president?

Last time I checked, the vice-president was one heartbeat away from Commander-in-Chief. Which means, if anything should happen to Hillary, Barack Obama would be picking up that darned red phone."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-obama-not-ready-_b_90542.html

Well Michigan is getting this right!
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Michigan Medical Marijuana Initiative Certified For November Ballot

Lansing, MI: State election officials this week approved a measure for the November 2008 electoral ballot that seeks to legalize the possession and use of cannabis for qualified patients.

Sponsored by the Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care, the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act would amend state law to allow authorized patients to use cannabis therapeutically under a doctor’s supervision. Backers of the plan gathered over 300,000 signatures from Michigan voters to place the measure on the upcoming ballot.

Under Michigan law, state lawmakers may preemptively enact the measure, but are unlikely to do so.

Since 2004, five Michigan cities – Ann Arbor, Detroit, Ferndale, Flint, and Traverse City – have each enacted municipal initiatives endorsing the medical use of marijuana.

If enacted by the voters, Michigan will become the thirteenth state since 1996 to authorize the legal use of medical cannabis, and the ninth state to do so by voter initiative.

For more information, please visit the Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care at: http://stoparrestingpatients.org.

This short article just showed up on the Michigan Liberal site.
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It's refreshing to know that the national players can "convince" our party leaders that we should have a real election.

But not really. It's actually pretty annoying that our Governor was willing to spend $12 million dollars of state money on an election because Sen. Clinton wanted her to. This is the sort of crap that happens when our "leaders" stop listening to the people that they represent and start listening to bigwigs from out of state. As for the honorable Senator Levin, even though I disagree, I'm glad that he's not backing down. For him, the early primary was about breaking the stranglehold that a couple states have on the nominating process, not trying to throw support to one candidate or another.

But Carl Levin won't be able to stop this mulligan from happening. The forces that are aligning against him are too strong. And while the Obama campaign might be dealing with a bad week, they'll get behind this in the next few days. On the off chance that none of their strategists have completed 1st grade math class, I'll walk them through it.

After today, looks like Sen. Obama will be up by 160ish pledged delegates. There are about 600 delegates to be had in the remaining states, and they fall pretty equally into states where each has an advantage. I'll make the claim that Sen. Clinton will win Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia and Puerto Rico, worth a combined 294 delegates while Obama will carry the remaining states (Guam, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, Mississippi, Indiana, and North Carolina) worth 310 delegates.

Even if Clinton records blowouts in all her wins and Obama squeaks by with small margins (unlikely), she still only picks up 50 or so delegates on him. That leaves an Obama pledged delegate lead of about 110 delegates. Even if it comes out that Obama actually is the Muslim Manchurian Candidate planted here by Yemenite spies, Obama can only lost about 60 additional delegates if there were re-votes in Michigan and Florida.

Obama has the nomination all tied up. Even in the worst case scenario, he enters the convention up 50 pledged delegates, and there's no way that supers will reverse that. Without a revote, the Credentials Committee will come into play, which means one way or another, party leaders will make a decision. Thing will get messy. There's no reason for the presumptive nominee to toy with that.

Hopefully somebody at Obama HQ wakes up in the next day or so, because the "we support a fair do-over" shtick is getting old pretty fast.

Oh, that red phone.  When I related the basics of what is involved to the spouse, his first reaction was. "so what is she now, a hooker?"  Yes, the story could be worse.  Hillary's lucky that little miss three AM is just an Obama supporter.  LOL

Yes, I know, the spouse has a weird sense of humor. 

Well, if the horse race keeps the public engaged, who are we to object?  The media, of course, learned long ago that their audiences are happier when the media are wrong.  It doesn't pay to be too smart in this country.  There's too many people who are insecure and need to feel better than someone else.  Don't take this wrong, but try to remember how good it feels to be smarter than Bush Two.  This is not a logical matter; it's a matter of emotion.

try to remember how good it feels to be smarter than Bush Two

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a door knob is smarter than Bush, we need a higher bar than that to feel good Monica

Obama would be the best choice for the presidency!
When will the public see that Hillary is playing another version of Bush's fear card because this is the only way she can win.
Hillary constant lieing about Obama's record, trying to manufacture a dishonest case against Obama, and change the rules she origionally agreed to make her unfit for office.
Hillary is showing she cannot make a case for electing her based on her own merits. Obama has more legislative experience and is more willing to talk to people which in a global world is most important.
Hillary's experience is an illusion because she keeps making wrong decisions (IWR and Kyl-Liebermann).

obama wins in whyoming?? like that spelling? why-oming, is what keith used last nite.

73.

*** cChalfonte***
Sat, 03/08/08

The overwhelming majority of Repubs will vote for their party's candidate, fred.

what is your theory? That Obama will win the GE in a landslide because Republicans decided to vote for him over their own candidate?

To gain the support of the Republican Party, an African American must....

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These mitigating factors (required for Republican patronage) you list were not things that Powell was big on, but I admit he was the "hero of Desert Storm"

White, black, or female, the right-wing differences you mention will be present with any Democratic candidate. Race is irrelevant. Not sure where you going with this this, but the original debate was how much race would be an obstacle.

Well, for almost anyone who would vote Democratic, it would not be an obstacle, and for the general public, the remarkable polling results Colin Powell got proved it would not be among non-liberals.

Powell's 90% approval (for nomination) was among ALL Americans, not just ideological Republicans that agreed with him. In fact, a meeting took place between Obama and Powell some months back, and I would not be surprized if Obama had been inspired pver the years by that remarkable polling back in the 1990s in favor of Powell. It might be one place from which he draws his laid-back confidence.

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Joan In Florida
Sat, 03/08/08

Yes he [Obama] is absolutely correct. You always want to leave all your options open to protect our country, beginning with diplomacy, unless of course we are already under attack

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Whether he is correct or not, it would be politically impossible to win an election in this country to (hypothetically) rule out military action completely.

In Wyoming... With 91% reporting they're saying 58% for Obama and 41% for Clinton. Gooooo Obamaaaa!!!!!!!!!! Peace. "Dogma"

Romney got the R...???????

 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WY

Track delegates here:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

WY isn't quite over yet--they have a few late caucuses to convene.

Obama led 58 percent, or 4,077 votes, to Clinton's 41 percent, or 2,756 votes, with 20 of 23 counties reporting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_o...

From the AP 2 minutes ago...

"Clinton, buoyed by big wins in Ohio and Texas last Tuesday, said she faced an uphill fight in Wyoming. Her campaign also holds out little hope for Tuesday's primary in Mississippi, which has a large black population."

Apparently they still haven't heard that Obama won Texas! LOL

Peace. "Dogma"

"Doesn't work...people know when they're being bamboozled.

That's insulting as hell to residents who reside in those states."==

If that were true, Mainefem, George W. Bush wouldn't have won the presidency a second time.

Mainefem, common sense left this country, maybe, three decades ago.

I just saw a clip of Obama answering Clinton's statements about experience, etc, blah blah and there is a woman with at least 6 recording devices in her hands right next to him (he's on an airplane). Everyone else has just one. LOL

fred, your tiresome example of Colin Powell is useless. He has NEVER run for public office. almost doesn't count. It simply doesn't.

Elected Republicans meet the criteria that I listed. and AGAIN, the majority of Repubs will vote Repub.

In typical "fred" style, you conjure up an indefensible, no-substance, argument and then hump it to death here on the blog.

"some repubs love Colin Powell therefore some repubs love Barack obama". It's a stoopid argument. Sorry.

In Wyoming... With 91% reporting they're saying 58% for Obama and 41% for Clinton. Gooooo Obamaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Wyoming. So...do we have a nominee now?

Blackwater pulls application for Potrero training center

By Anne Krueger San Diego UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

March 7, 2008

Blackwater Worldwide officials have announced they are pulling their application to build a training center on an 824-acre site in the East County community of Potrero.

The North Carolina-based company dropped off a letter to the county planning department today notifying officials of their decision not to pursue plans for the project on a former chicken and cattle ranch. ...full article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro...

These mitigating factors (required for Republican patronage) you list were not things that Powell was big on, but I admit he was the "hero of Desert Storm"======

The requirements I listed, AGAIN, are for African American Republicans who RUN for office.

Colin Powell was SecDef. These requirements to do not apply.

There is not, in existence, any data that suggest "90% of Americans would have voted for Colin Powell". That is a typical Fred exaggeration/extrapolation based on nothing.

"38. *** cChalfonte***"

The wallet trumps during this election...even right-wing nutjobs need gas in their vehicles, paid mortgages, & fuel in their oil tanks.

"God" doesn't pay the bills. Reality check time.

I hope it's the last we hear of those f^cking "values voters."

Nail down those delusional magical thinking belief sytems into their respective coffins.

The MSM is touting "the economy;" however, it's impossible to fail to factor in Iraq's BILLIONS as being siphoned directly out of people's wallets/state revenue coffers.

We didn't get that many Rethugs as crossovers, as most missed the Feb. 26th registration deadlines (Greenies can't even get their own caucuses convened--being "organized" is impossible for them).

However, unenrolleds trump in Libertarian-oriented states, like VT, WY, & ME.

They won't remain registered in the Dem. party; as they despise "belonging" to any party.

However, they don't appreciate being treated as "insignificant" fools by candidates.

Hillary's staffers slammed the doors on Hillary's few overflow attendees at Orono (U/Maine).

Word got out...Obama's Mecca rally swamped the local news/airwaves & print media for days on end, etc.

He spoke w/his overflow--*outside* first. Manners matter to the locals.

People were freakin' cold as hell. Had been standing in line for hrs. to see him (during the workweek, no less).

Obama didn't blow them off. No slamming doors on the locals.

It's little things like that which win elections here.

Clintonistas are total idiots.

We don't appreciate being treated as if we're "black" (or as *insignificant*). Mainers get treated like that from f^cking tourists and summah complaints all the time. Screw the Clintons.

Bubba bought a pair of L.L. Bean boots at a photo op (big effin' deal) in Freeport. How cute.

We get that crap from tourists all the time, so it wasn't at all "impressive" to the locals.

Chelsea stumped at Bowdoin, Bates, and Colby--all of those towns went for Obama...didn't help at all.

NAFTA creamed Hillary in ME--what's left of our manufacturing base if poof. Thanks, Big Dog.

They hadn't been here in years....

Those of us who were ABH tried our best to accomodate registrations; and it indeed swamps milieus.

We doubled the size of ours; & it was still swamped (compared to '04, which was mucho larger than in '00).

You have to convene the damned things at some point.

The state party didn't rustle up enough Notaries Public at each venue, which didn't help.

When you know that you'll be swamped, it's a wise idear to be more than prepared.

Voters strike me as totally ignorant about appropriate registrations...it's scary.

In summation--voters have had 8 yrs. to be fleeced by Rethugs.

Unless totally Rapture-types, or independently wealthy, they won't vote Rethug this time in vast numbers.

It takes yrs. to break cognitive dissonance.

I hope WY can hit 60%-a bit of psychological drama for Ms. "Presumptive."

Those 3 remaining WY counties could well tip one more delegate to Obama.

Sounds like a plan to me. Let's hit that magical 60% mark!

A few of their venues caucus later than the others.

great post, phil!

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hang tough, howard!  monday is d-day for florida in order to meet the 90-day requirement to schedule a do-over.  and keep that prune-faced, banana rethuglic gov out of it.

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since the clinton campaign has raised questions about the obamas' real estate dealings with the rezkos, it's fair to contrast.  who really paid for the clintons' new york residence?  they couldn't afford to live in that census tract with their net assets at the time.  release the papers.  where's the new york times on this?  come on, bill keller, let's have some chirpiness.

it's 3 am, and the empress with no clothes is answering the phone.  she turns to the bedside photo of mcclinton and presses the red button.........which activates the microchip, barking instructions, 'bomb, bomb, bomb......bomb, bomb iran..........'

right on mainefem - if anyone knows Maine politics, it's you.

Phil,

 I am giving you the Howardly award for this post that made me feel great while reading it!!

Ultra-hack report...

Peter Daou Justifies Hillary Clinton Trashing The Democratic Party: http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/20...

http://pdf2007.confabb.com/users/profile...+Daou

Thanks to all those cowgirls, cowboys, ranchers, and all the good people in the great state of Wyoming!

40.

*** cChalfonte***
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Too bad you haven't yet learned how to lose a point with grace, without getting nasty and personal.

kindness if free.

Nothing wrong with "insignificant" caucus states.

It's about the Clinton campaign's dire lack of organizational capacities (along w/their arrogance)!

Duh.

http://tinyurl.com/35vrlw

[...]


"While both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama pushed hard to win the state, the Obama campaign’s early organizing here appeared to have paid off. The campaign set up shop two weeks before Mrs. Clinton’s did, opening five offices in the state to two for Mrs. Clinton. And Mr. Obama went on the air with television and radio commercials this week, and Mrs. Clinton had two radio ads running."

[....]

7:08 pm est

NO seashell, I'm not speechless, I responded to Phil's post earlier today long before it was frontpaged and as my grandson was here for the afternoon I haven't been checking the blog lately. 

YOU NEED TO GET THAT BUG OUT OF YOUR ASS, SWEETIE.  it does nothing for the conversation here and I realize that you are pissed at anything anyone says good about Obama and that you seem to feel we should all just shut up and accept everything you say as gospel, but I ain't jumping on your bandwagon.  I have my own thoughts about Obama's strengths and weaknesses but that's all they are  - my thoughts.  and I'm not hammering at you to SUPPORT Obama, am I?  I'm just extremely tired of your disrespectful treatment of most people here.

as for Iran or Pakistan or any other nation threatening the USA, NOTHING SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE TABLE.

that's not to say I like war, want war, or believe war helps in almost any situation.  but anyone who thinks we should not be prepared to use military force to prevent our own nation's or other nation's mass destruction by nuclear attack is just living in a bubble.

I have to say that I think Bill and Hillary hinting around yesterday and today that they think a Clinton/Obama ticket would be unbeatable is just bs pandering to Obama's support to try to bleed it off by sounding reasonable.  add that to the crap they've thrown out about Obama and we have a manic depressive duo on our hands. 

George Bush may be the worst president ever, but Hill and Bill might just be the worst presidential couple ever.

Hillary Clinton has now won more primary votes than any Democratic nominee in history

POLITICAL CONNECTIONS
For Clinton's Fans, 'Our '68'
By Ronald Brownstein, NationalJournal.com
National Journal Group Inc.
Friday, March 7, 2008
http://nationaljournal.com/brownstein.htm

I was surprised that no one challenged my premise that Obama had won Texas, because like in Iowa delegates will be up for grabs at the State Convention, and we won't really know for sure that Obama won Texas til then. Right now it looks like he will. What we know for sure right now is that Hillary Clinton did not "win" anything but the statewide vote total which as I point out, doesn't mean anything in the Texas Delegate Selection Plan. After Mississippi comes Iowa's County Conventions on the 15th of March where we will gather and re-align and this is the first time since Edwards dropped out that there will be a hard count of who picked them up Obama or Clinton. The story on Sat. night could be a post by me that Clinton won Iowa,  We won't know here til the last vote at the State Convention on June 14th for sure just like Texas. Find out how your state elects those actual delegates and get plugged in whatever state you are in because every vote may count.  

Sounds like some of our caucus attendees (who asked how long they had to wait before unenrolling again--too funny):

[...]

"The first caucus to report results, in Niobrara County, reported a tie between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton. Fredda Lou Kilmer and her husband, Everett, hosted the caucus at their home in Lusk, in east central Wyoming. There are 101 registered Democrats in the county, she said, and 20 participated in the caucus on Saturday.

“Nobody will admit to being a Democrat here,” Mrs. Kilmer said."

[....]

Whether he is correct or not, it would be politically impossible to win an election in this country to (hypothetically) rule out military action completely.

Fred, the same can be said about our relations wih Israel.

Too bad you haven't yet learned how to lose a point with grace, without getting nasty and personal.============

Well, fred....it's too bad you haven't learn to make reasonable arguments.

POLITICAL CONNECTIONS
For Clinton's Fans, 'Our '68'

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Clinton and the War Party replay of Hubert Humphrey?

why would a Clinton supporter like you want to bring up losing to Nixon because the old guard wouldn't give up to the grassroots?

Mainefem, re. wallet issues. Exactly--seems the ONLY times that Dems reclaim the White House is during economic downfalls. It's the main reason I'm hopeful about our chances this time.

I would not make any bets that we won't hear about "values voters" ever again. The religious right is not going to go down easily. Not by a long-shot.

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We still face a steep climb, whether our candidate is an African American or a woman. It's a road we've never really traveled. (no disrespect towards Rev. Jackson-it's just that he was never really perceived as a serious contender).

Our greatest strength, so to speak, is the weak economy. That's what may push a majority to vote for a change in Parties in the White House.

Caine is going to (overtly) press more on Obama's experience than he will Obama's color....but color w/be pressed subtley (sp?) because their party will stop at nothing. No boundaries.

NAFTA creamed Hillary in ME--what's left of our manufacturing base if poof. Thanks, Big Dog.======

Manufacturing base, indeed.

The ONLY benefit of a falling dollar is that it strengthens our exports, improving trade imbalances.

The bad news: Our largest export: Our recycled garbage....yep, paper and the cars from junkyards, etc., smashed down into recyclable parts.....exported to China where they'll make the products that we'll import back to the US....use/abuse and recycle and sell back to them.

Heard this on one of the financial podcasts.