Howard Dean is first.

 "A strategy of doing nothing and letting globalization run its course won't result in the imminent collapse of the American economy."    ....    "But over the long term doing nothing probably means an America very different from the one most of us grew up in. It will mean a nation more stratified economically and socially"  ...   "It will mean an America in which we continue to mortgage our assets to foreign leaders"  ....   "an America in which we underinvest in basic scientific research"  ...   "an America that's more politically polarized "  ...   "Worst of all it will mean fewer opportunities for younger Americans, a decline in the upward mobility that's been at the heart of this country's promise since it's founding." Barack Obama 

The Audacity of Hope  Random House New York 2006 p148,149 

when John's current wife was his mistress did she feel like the lobbyist and hope the whole sordid mess never saw the light of day, or does she identify with his former wife?  talk about a conflict of interest; it isn't just with a Senator and a lobbyist (kind of gives new meaning to special interest doesn't it?) 

3:15 PM EST

I find it interesting that Obama is being criticized by both Clinton and McCain for not being Experienced enough.

Hmhhh ?  I wonder if by "experience" Clinton and McCain also mean having experience with infidelity ?

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23844...

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Did I miss Darrel?  Poo.  Well, if you're lurking, Darrel, hi from donna in evanston. :-)

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rd

LOL, you may have a point there.

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Clinton political experience is seven years in the U.S.  Senate -- nothing more, versus Obama's three years in the U.S. Senate

She has never been a civil rights attorney as Obama was for many years.

She was never the president of the Harvard Law Review.

She did not teach constitutional law as Obama did.

She did not delve into the church basements of South Chicago for years trying to help the unfortunate as Obama did.

She did not serve eight years in a state senate as Obama did.

Hillary Clinton was a corporate attorney in a law firm that served some of the Clintons' own investments.

I believe her one bright spot was helping to get SCHIP passed in the late 90's though she had no political position to vote on it.

Yes, McCain is a typical Republican.  He is not a moderate by any strectch of the imagination.

And he is obviously a vindictive SOB as he has encouraged Bush to veto any legislation that outlaws waterboarding.  Claims that the 17 (or 19) methods that the CIA has now aren't good enough.  Guess he wants to be the Torturer-in-Chief for a while.  The evangelical Christians should be all over this but, judging by the attitudes of some of my fellow churchgoers, far too many of them support torture, also.

I must have missed that sermon in the Gospels.

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 Barack Obama picked up the support of Rep. Steve Kagen and the likely backing of Sen. Russ Feingold on Thursday, following the presidential candidate’s victory in Wisconsin earlier this week.

Link to the Feingold article:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/806643,wis022108.article

Funny, listening to McCain trying to *spin* his way out of the NYT story. All he says is, "I'm so disappointed with the NYT". You need to do better than that John! You know, something like... "I did not have sex with that woman!" 

Linda in NM~ regarding the Obama video, "I believe in Free Trade", it's only 18 seconds long. Do you have the link for the entire speech?

Just to say hi to s m and I hope u r ok - I find earthquakes terrifying - 6.3 is a pretty big shaker.

(kind of gives new meaning to special interest doesn't it?)   

Phil~ YA THINK!?! :o)

Pat, I don't believe for an instant that your family has no flaws..maybe you just don't point them out..then why point mine out?  Would you be kinder to me if I supported BO? 

"He grew up with Buddhism, Islam, Catholicism, and animism.  He's not about to impose his Christianity on others.  He's just said that the suits him. "

And that's good to know. Thank you.  

I find it interesting that Obama is being criticized by both Clinton and McCain for not being Experienced enough.

Hmhhh ?  I wonder if by "experience" Clinton and McCain also mean having experience with infidelity ?

No. That's not what they mean. To them, "experience" means having gone along with the worst of Bush's agenda. 

 "A strategy of doing nothing and letting globalization run its course won't result in the imminent collapse of the American economy."

Is this a BO quote? 

I thought we were already there.  Checked food prices lately?  So BO (?) is saying that letting the multi-nationals run its course is Okey Dokey?

What does "run its course" mean?  Does anyone think that one fine day, the multis will up and say that they don't want to buy Park Place and Boardwalk anymore?  Isn't this a bit naive? 

LOL...I appreciate being thought of that you want to keep reposting, but trying to link a video I posted with another comment Obama made, two totally different remarks is laughable.

This video was not a short with a cut off of "I believe in Free Trade".
 

I quoted the link provided by LindaNM. I also cut and pasted the same link in my response.

Here's the link again.....

2. Linda in NM<> -- Obama, "I believe in Free Trade"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTfJmz3GW... 

She surely isn't even fooling herself on this one. 

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Paz Peace
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Yes, McCain is a typical Republican. He is not a moderate by any strectch of the imagination
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It's all relative to where you stand. To the extremist core, the status quo of the republican party up to now, he is moderate, by virtue of his position on some issues. To the mainstream American voter, I believe he is perceived as neoconservative-lite.

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nice analysis. She may have more experience, but mostly the wrong kind we're looking for.

And here's the quote that goes with that YouTube link......

"In one day we have a chance to restore some balance to our economy. I believe in the free market. I believe in capitalism. I believe in free trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete with anyone in the world with American workers....."

It's clearly out of context and manipulative. But it's just a lame attempt at propaganda by some lowly hillaroid. Only a fool would bite on it.

It's clearly out of context and manipulative. But it's just a lame attempt at propaganda by some lowly hillaroid. Only a fool would bite on it.

Sitka~ And, especially since it's only 18 seconds long! Have you ever heard of a Barack speech only 18 seconds long!?!

Joan wrote "Clinton political experience is seven years in the U.S.  Senate -- nothing more, versus Obama's three years in the U.S. Senate."

You're probably aware that I like Obama as much as anyone, but I find it patently unfair in talking about the candidates' political experience to mention Obama's legal training, organizing, teaching, and law practice, and then contrast it with Clinton's stint as a corporate lawyer alone.

Clinton was on the Board of Editors for the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.  She worked at the Yale Child Study Center, and took child abuse cases at the Yale-New Haven Hospital.  She volunteered at the New Haven Legal Services for poor people, and she worked on Sen. Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor, researching problems encountered by migrant workers.

She campaigned for McGovern in Texas, and wrote an important and influential article in the Harvard Educational Review on children's rights called Children Under the Law.  She was a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund under Marian Wright Edelman, and a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children, She also advised the House Judiciary Committee during Watergate.  She later co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and was appointed board chair of the Legal Services Corporation by President Carter.  

As First Lady in Arkansas, she served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services and the Children's Defense Fund.  She worked a lot on women's and children's issues as First Lady.  I have my differences with Clinton as a candidate, but I don't think her experience should be discounted, or that it pales in comparison to Obama's. 

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Nice work, Tom. Hillary's resume for helping children and poor women, and the Democratic Party, is very impressive and she deserves praise for it.

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seashell :-)

What does "run its course" mean?
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IMO - this means "not opposing it" in any way with what some would call de facto protectionist policy.

"A strategy of doing nothing and letting globalization run its course won't result in the imminent collapse of the American economy."

IMO - I don't think he is placating us here, or downplaying the negative effects of globalization. He just saying that we won't see the degridation of our way of life as a catastophic economic crisis or something like that, but rather as a slow, steady erosion of our quality of life.

Comparing the experience of Obama and Hillary to me is a waste of time since voting for Hill ary, is not an option. To put an officer of the DLC in charge of the country is counter productive to our plan.

Our only option, as I see it. is to try to bring Obama more to the progressive thinking as we can. TBA would be a good opportunity to ask him quetions and express our point of view.

I will keep posting that d*mn paragraph until those that find fault acknowledge the qualifiers which shows that Barack Obama understands the problem.

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 "A strategy of doing nothing and letting globalization run its course won't result in the imminent collapse of the American economy."    ....    "But over the long term doing nothing probably means an America very different from the one most of us grew up in. .....

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So let us have a discussion of solutions. 

Hillary is right to bring up that as a goal.

Change to what? Obama has the leadership skills to take us where we want to go if we can agree on the direction.

National Journal interview with Howard Dean about McCain, and he talks about superdelegates also.  Very nice interview.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1846

"In one day we have a chance to restore some balance to our economy. I believe in the free market. I believe in capitalism. I believe in free trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete with anyone in the world with American workers....."

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I'm one who would agree with that statement , if you put in the qualifier "on a level playing field"

and negotiate at the Douha Round like it was American workers that were at the top of your concerns

and the balance was the right to organize, the world over

Sadly one of the bloggers here who I thought was so cool is throwing bombs over at Daily Kos. Really sad. Can't post anything positive about her candidate but loves to channel the wingnuts with her anti-Obama screeds.

floridagal

just want to say thanks again for what you bring to the blog, Hoaward couldn't have a better friend

and your links help me keep up on what he is up to 

The biggest difference I see between Obama and Hillary in their speeches, is that Hillary says things we've all heard before, whereas Obama says many things we often think about, but seldom hear directly from politicians, and he articulates it in an inspiring way.

mary vb

they kind of backed off of the severity of the storm that was going to hit you next week

they had originally predicted two lows to combine into near hurricane strength

do you have to travel by water much? 

No, Phil. My husband takes ferries though. Thanks for the update. It's glorious right now. The Weimaraner is happy frolicking in the sunshine.

Sadly one of the bloggers here who I thought was so cool is throwing bombs over at Daily Kos

mary~ sounds like there's more to the Barack bashing then meets the eye like maybe it's more than politically motivated. Perhaps the real reason for the hate dislike is personally deep-seeded.

Karen you just read my mind. I don't know is being referenced as I don't read Kos unless there is a link provided (and no, I'm not asking for one) but I'm starting to wonder if indeed it has to do with something entirely non political.

floridagal

one compromise I heard discussed was that the delegates would be seated but their votes not talleyed

if Obama wins Texas and Ohio they won't matter and might well be seated

If Clinton blows out Obama in Texas and Ohio and goes on to run up  a winning streak they might well be seated

the only way they will not be seated for sure is if they are the deciding vote

Yes, Phil, BO needs to be more specific and talk about solutions.  Of course he sees many of the problems but he's weak on solutions and clarification.  Plus, I do think we're already there, whereas he doesn't seem to think so.  But then that's relative, isn't it?

I don't think JE supporters hate BO.  That would be like saying that BO supporters hate JE . 

So what should be done about Belgrade?  What will putz do?  Hillary? Obama?   

speaking of nasty weather there is a storm coming in off the Gulf in the  Panhandle of Florida and more on the Teaxas and Louisiana border from the front that pushed all the way from the big storm that blasted the Midwest

Rhetorical questions don't warrant answers by their very definition.

 Of course he sees many of the problems but he's weak on solutions and clarification.

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seashell

that isn't true, but if one of his solutions is to lead a movement that puts people back at the table it is up to us to come up with our solutions and not him, and that is where he differs from Clinton

seashell 

the people are tired of the Iraq War and want it to end and don't really care if there is a fixed timetable, a gradual drawdown, how many bases close, when, they will elect a President who has heard them 

they are rejecting the status quo

that is why that single word CHANGE is so powerful

and the only solution Obama has to come up with is "I hear you."

Karen, s/o here has already called me racist, which is quite amusing to people who know me...  I wouldn't go there if I were you.   It's hate speech and it was very clear that that's where you were going.

I post about my annoyance with AIPAC and the same poster called me anti-semitic - also amusing to people who know me.

The love of my life was Jewish and I almost married a black man - but chose my NY Italian instead.  :-) I can swear blue in Italian and learned helpful words like *putz.*  LOL

If I were a strong BO supporter, I wouldn't say nasty things about other posters who aren't.  I would hope that I'm more compassionate than that. 

Hillary is right to be talking about solutions.  Thanks, Tom, for a very good rebut.  We have two strong candidates - not near enuf progressive for me and much too war-like, but they are strong and much better than McC.   Hillary's work with kids and women is highly commendable.  She might think twice before sending them off to die in some pre-emptive war or other. 

The repugs will block everything they can, so the best idea might be to work on replacing the repugs and blue dogs - and Pelosi.

I  would like the unitary executive problem to be addressed tonight. 

There are simply far too many unanswered questions...and unasked questions....compliments of the CM. 

specific answers are in the language hammered out in sub-committee votes, modified by Amendment on the floor, passed in different versions by the two houses of the legislature and hammered out again in conference, and the only real role the President has is to say "don't go there or you will have to over-ride my veto", and if he laid out a broad vision ratified by his election will just have to give some advice

The President isn't some super Senator.

I find Obama's whole approach to his role what is most refreshing.

seashell only one of the two voted to authorize military action against Iran and that was Hillary with her Kyl-Lieberman vote

there is a difference between the two

41, Phil.  Yes, he heard.  Now will he follow thru?  Or will the defense dept and munitions industry stop him?  How much control would either of these cands have?  Who's really running the country now?

Talking the talk comes easily to a orator...can he walk the walk?  We'll see..plus Hillary's still in.

sea, it's ok. I expect nothing more after what I've seen here.

You think they would be happy I didn't post a diary here that didn't paint there candidate well, but NOOOOO. They can post the most nasty name calling, lies, claims name et al on other bloggers who's been here for years or ...GEE....HILLLARY and actually make excuses why it's ok. But they get down in the mud if you post anything but adoration for their guy.

They didn't want to accept that there are alot of people that actually have a problem with Obama as President. They don't like his policies, his inexperience or record or dirty games that he's played. They don't want to acknowledge anything, but these false praises that are quite scary. They always come back to calling someone racist, they don't have to deal with all the rest. I've already been called that here too, so more won't matter.

Yes, Phil, I know about Kyl-Lieb.  And we'll never know how BO would have voted, but we know he voted to keep shoveling our money into the occupation.

Not to worry.  Oregonians votes won't likely matter.  I'll vote for whomever wins the primary, that's a given.

Gore/Boxer   LOL 

 "specifically" Hillary will ; "generally" Obama might feed the war machine is what I hear you saying seashell. I thought peace was more of a priority with you

Phil

that isn't true, but if one of his solutions is to lead a movement that puts people back at the table it is up to us to come up with our solutions and not him, and that is where he differs from Clinton."

OK, so how do we do that?  If he's prez, do we send petitions telling him what we want and then he does it?  Just like that?  The mechanics appear somewhat daunting.  On-line site for important legislation?  How does a prez do the will of millions of people?  And what if our will differs from his or from the corps? 

I don't see where anyone mentioned anything about being racist except seashell, and now Linda. What is going on here?

Sea are you really implying that Karen was calling someone racist, presumably Linda who just now showed up to defend herself against something that you are only assuming?

It will be interesting to see what Karen has to say about that. I didn't even know who the poster as Kos was until Linda showed up here protesting just now.

I'd be careful with such grave assumptions.

Linda

Hillary has plenty to recommend her, and has that "historic" mojo working .around ten milllion voters have agreed with you too.

she doesn't look like that is enough to get her the nomination because she by the nature of her strongest suit takes us backwards to the nineties, just the fact of a major drawback, her strength is her weakness

but I sure wouldn't discourage anyone from voting for her if that was their judgement

knowing voters like that are out there just means Obama supporters need to keep making those calls and close the deal

And, lets remember, Obama and McCain were the only ones....even out of all the other candidates.....who DIDN'T EVEN VOTE ONN the Kyl/Lieberman Resoluttion.

But, Obama sure voted NO on Kerry/Feingold Bill in June 2006 to end the war. And even publicly said he was opposed to using funds to end the war.

Until of course, he announced he was running for President.


That is why his record on the war, being exactly the same as Hillary's make's him a fraud in my eyes. He campaigned against the war but acted and voted the same when he got there.

THAT IS REALITY.

Not to worry.  Oregonians votes won't likely matter.  I'll vote for whomever wins the primary, that's a given.

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I disagree, by my calculations you might well be the state that decides whether or not there will be a quiet, unified convention

judging from the posting here it will probably take that long

Actually Denise, I was referring to YOU, not Karen.

You were the one who wrote: "but I'm starting to wonder if indeed it has to do with something entirely non political."


So if you want to claim you were meaning racial, do share what the NON POLITICAL reference is.

54...so if you want to claim you wereN'T meaning racial, do share what the NON POLITICAL reference is.

There is a new thread for you all to hop over to and leave me behind, OK?

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23950...

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 He campaigned against the war but acted and voted the same when he got there.

THAT IS REALITY

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I agree they aren't that far apart on many policies which is why the intangible of character that is in the eye of the voter is so important.

fraud is a pretty strong word though, I wouldn't go that far, more like cautious Junior Senator

"specifically" Hillary will ; "generally" Obama might feed the war machine is what I hear you saying seashell. I thought peace was more of a priority with you."

Enduring peace IS a priority of mine, Phil.  Might is still not good enuf.  He's said that he would go into Pakistan if he had "actionable intel."  That's a set-up and an out should he want it.  He also said something in his speech the other night about taking the fight to the terrorists or something like that.  That's very aggressive.  That's what bush is already doing.  

Maybe I'm becoming a political isolationist.

Dean/Feingold  LOL 

Yep, when the Rovians didn't want to discuss any questions we raised, they simply marginalized us by repeating over and over that we just hate Bush. We were just haters, therefor, don't pay any attention....there's something more than politics wrong with them.

By non political i meant that maybe there was something going on in that person's life that is bothering them, thats all.

Linda please get ahold of yourself. And if you want to address me, just do it. We are not mind readers and being passive aggressive does no one no good.

And Linda, Sea didn't mention me in her comment about being racial, she mentioned Karen. Racism was the FURTHEST thing from my mind. Now you can go on the list with audrey unless you want to be different from her and actually apologize to me for accusing me of something I did not do.

There is a new thread for you all to hop over to and leave me behind, OK?


OK! But please be woman enough to apologize for your errant behavior to me.

Denise, I'm happy to hear that racism was the furthest claim and I do apoligize that I infered that meaning if it wasn't meant.

Too much code trying to figure out what someone means when it been played so many times before.

And Denise, I am well grounded and quite "a hold" of myself. And I did refer to you exactly, that's how you knew what I was saying.

Linda NM....

She will make insinuations that you are racist, and then she will demand an apology from you.
There does seem to be something wrong there besides politics.lol, unless she's studying Rove.

I used the term "personally deep-seeded". Don't know how that presumptuously got misconstrued.

Audrey you're delusional.

SEASHELL brought up that word, and you two jump on that bandwagon, not me.

You really are making yourself look __________________ (hint, not racist)

Linda thanks for your apology. I really had no idea whom mary vb was referring to at Kos. I don't go there. I had no idea it was you, truly. I was being empathic about what else might be going on in that person's life. How that got miscontrued is beyond me. So let's just let that be.