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Dean is still first but I wish he could see what became of his blog.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23928...

last thred

Consumers may not be able to avoid cloned food

...Consumer groups, however, have called FDA's positive safety assessment hasty and ill-founded. The Center for Food Safety said the FDA based many conclusions on small or limited studies, many of them financed by cloning companies. Clones that appear healthy can have infections, or abnormalities that could affect food quality such as unusual proteins or imbalances between protein and fats, the group said. Further studies should be done to evaluate clones and their offspring, the organization said.

...As the rules stand now, livestock breeders and milk or meat suppliers have no legal obligation to disclose to either food manufacturers or consumers that a product came from a cloned animal line. Some vendors plan to keep their products clear of cloned lineages, but the FDA may not permit packages to bear a voluntary label such as "clone free."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...

Improving Toxicity Tests
A new initiative will work on cell-based toxicity tests for chemicals.

As chemical companies develop more pesticides, cleaners, and other potentially toxic compounds, traditional methods of safety testing can hardly keep up. Animal tests, which have been the gold standard for decades, are slow and expensive, and these sorts of tests are increasingly socially unacceptable, too. What's more, the results of animal testing sometimes don't translate to humans, so researchers are eager for better alternatives.

This week, at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Boston, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced a multiyear research partnership to develop a cell-based approach that they hope can replace animal testing in toxicity screening. Work has already begun, although it will take years to refine the techniques....

http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/...

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listener
Tue, 02/19/08

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ALLY UPDATE:

My just-barely-one-year-old grand niece started chemo today to shrink a malignant tumor on her stomach.
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That's a tragedy. We have the power and we need to use it. Rachel Carson in 1962, finished "Silent Spring" while dying of cancer herself.

She noted in the book that childhood cancers, once virtually non-existent, were increasingly common, due to the use of toxic chemicals in industry, products, agriculture, etc.

It is about time we stopped feeding the pharma-chemical-pesticide-cosmetic comglomerate beasts our money, searching for "cures," for degenerative diseases - that proper regulation could stop causing in the first place.

Hawaii caucuses begin at 6:15 pm and close at 7:30 p.m. Hawaii is five hours behing EST so no results from there would be available until after 12:30 a.m. EST (My figures)

There are 29 Hawaiian delegates up for grabs.

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Fred

Well written and sooooo right about feeding the "pharma-chemical-pesticide-cosmetic comglomerate beasts." It's time we all woke up to the dangers that lurk in every pill, every lipstick, every roach killing spray, and every possibly dangerous chemical.

Rachael Carson has always been one of my heroes, single-handedly alerting the world about the horrible effects of DDT and other pesticides.

I agree with Joan, well written Fred.

I use Aveda and Lush products mostly - plant and organic ingredients only. I've become more aware of all of the junk in what we put both in and on our bodies.

Still looking for an organic mascara that doesn't make me look like a raccoon by mid day, though. They are out there but I can't seem to find one.

"She noted in the book that childhood cancers, once virtually non-existent," 

Prior to 1920 children would simply become ill and unepexctedly die and the causes of the illness were not able to be determined with the care available at the time.  It is hard to remember that simple infections used to kill us just 80 years ago.  To say that x or Y was unheard of in the past in medicine is because for thousands of years of human history we were not so affluent as to be able to spend time tracking and diagnosing the causes of death.  Or it could be a huge conspiracy. With age comes the realization that really bad things do happen to good and innocent people all the time, and always have.  That is life.  Now it seems everyone has to have some one to blame.  i think it is because it is hard to rationalize the truly random nature of disasters and if we can emotionally put the blame on someone we can kid ourselves that one day we will be protected from all bad events.  It is human nature to not accept that today could be the day.  We all have to drive home today and that this could be it is scary.  So we look to any trick we can to kid ourselves.  I pray for this young one and her family, I have two nieces just her age and it would be a devasting experience to go through. 

I would like to know what happened to sheri and her take on what is happening to this blog.

I see little to post about and just read some absolute slander of people.

Someone at HQ, get this act together.

Still looking for an organic mascara that doesn't make me look like a raccoon by mid day, though. They are out there but I can't seem to find one.
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Universe took care of that one for me, lol! I became allergic to ALL mascara at 45. No exceptions. Now I just use eyeliner. Makes life a bit simpler ~smile~

p.s. ~~ he's anxious to meet you all, also. Good Indy that he is. . . . Hope Free Spirit comes, too: keep him some company.


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linda b

Sheri Divers doesn't work at DFA HQ anymore. She left the day Al Gore won the Noble Prize for Peace. That was also Tom Hughes' final day working at DFA HQ. Our best wishes go all of them.

Someone at HQ, get this act together.
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Linda, how long have you been trying to get a training in the Tidewater area? How long have we ALL been trying to get HQ to listen to ONE thing we say? How. . . . .? You get the drift. . . . .




dysphagia

Puts me in mind of ebay: for years, every Christmas season, they'd trot out a new software update. Every year the sellers begged them NOT to, to wait till January. Every year they were ignored. Finally the sellers just started voting with their feet. And finally, they learned. Is DFA as smart? We'll see. . . .


hunger

Dean is still first but I wish he could see what became of his blog.

I somehow doubt he cares about such things or ever did. 

puddle, yes I have been asking for a long time. I did get them to go to the TBA conference last year and they made an impact.

Has anyone actually talked to anyone up there? Are they going to listen?

I have no idea.

I do miss Sheri, tho. I met her at TBA and she is a great person.

What is happening is that DFA is turning into a nasty opponent in a primary and a PAC with muscle.

Ed Fallon is a true progressive and the top post is accurate. I support Leonard Boswell for personal reasons.

To me Fallon's support of Nader in 2000 was a bit of a betrayal but very much in line with his politics (and many here) and his support for Edwards was based on his reformist desire to rid Washington of corruption and the influence of K Street

I wish there was some way to go after Steve King in the Fifth instead though because Boswell is right 85% of the time to King's zero.

What a joy to see Donna Edwards on Hardball. She did an outstanding job, and what a doll besides. That was DFA effort well spent, Hope she never changes...go Donna. chris even said maybe soon to be Congresswoman.

I somehow doubt he cares about such things or ever did. 

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Howard Dean installed a blog at the DNC so I think he sees the value. He is busy where he is at though and this is our problem.

Susan, what would Gore's Nobel Prize have to do with Sheri and Tom leaving?  I always wondered why she left so suddenly.  I hear Tom entered the world of big business.  Sheri used to keep this thing running smoothly.

Boswell is close to Clinton and they would help each other win in Iowa.

Fallon will run better with Obama.

our primary isn't til June in Iowa which is one reason we do the Presidential stuff separate 

flooded basement

Remember the words of Howard Dean when he was Hardball.  He managed to say some important stuff while Matthews was talking over him.

Dean: "The voters have to speak first before people like me get involved "

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1826

go all of s/b go to all of

As of today, we've spent over $495 billion in Iraq.1 With the economy in the tank, think about what that money could do here at home: Cover millions of kids who don't have insurance, or help folks who're losing their jobs and homes.

Instead, it's supporting a failed occupation in Iraq.

More and more Americans are making the connection between the billions we've spent over there and the crumbling economy here at home. In fact, a new AP poll shows that most Americans think ending the war is the best way to help the economy.2 But pundits still talk about the war and the economy as two unrelated things.

That's why we're launching our "Iraq/Recession" campaign—our push to make sure that politicians and pundits understand what voters already know: As long as we keep pouring that money down the drain in Iraq, we won't have the money we need to solve our economic woes.

Just to let you know, our Virginia Dem Women's Caucus raised over $7000 at our second annual Breakfast held the morning of the JJ event in Richmond.

My friend Phyllis and I worked really hard. The money will go to women candidates running in all levels in the state of Virginia.

Also, our silent auction last fall raised $6000, so we have the money to help our ladies get elected.

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floridagal .
Tue, 02/19/08

It was just how I remembered that day. I'm not very good at remembering dates.

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Fox Mulder
Tue, 02/19/08

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"She noted in the book that childhood cancers, once virtually non-existent,"

Prior to 1920 children would simply become ill and unepexctedly die and the causes of the illness were not able to be determined with the care available at the time. It is hard to remember that simple infections used to kill us just 80 years ago.
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There are still many places where infectious diseases kill children because of the absence of a $5 antibiotic. This was one of the reasons for the revolution in Cuba. It is also the reason many fathers or mothers leave their families in rural Mexico to make a buck in this rat race, where they are treated like garbage.

We once thought infections were bad spirits, devils and that God allowed it to happen for some reason. We then learned of the microbial ecology in the last couple of decades.

It seems most of the masses have gone full circle and don't look for causes of cancer, alzheimer's, parkinson's, asthma, diabetes, etc. (and hundreds of other chronic degenerative diseases) they blame God, and sometimes genetics, but never look for the long or short term causes...

The reason is simple. The corporate oligarchy and the insurance industry don't want them to look. With the best lawyers in the world, they threaten anybody with any notoreity who does look.

We've gone back to fatalism and paganism with the belief we are like puppets, controlled by the spiritual forces above, and beyond our control.

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Howard Dean installed a blog at the DNC so I think he sees the value. He is busy where he is at though and this is our problem.

The DNC blog is run competently and attracts 10 times the posts this sorry excuse does!

My last post got buried 4 back.

6:07 pm

Great news lindab - fantastic fundraising effort! Fundraising is not easy so kudos to you and your colleagues :)

Thanks, Joan and Denise.

Time and sequence check

6:14 pm

long lines in the student union voting in LaCrosse, turnout to hit 35% expected

pretty decent day today but the roads suck

weather should favor Obama slightly, older women who have disproportionally favored Clinton don't like to go out on ice (neither do older men but you get the point) slight advantage

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Phil Specht
Tue, 02/19/08

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Dear MoveOn member,

As of today, we've spent over $495 billion in Iraq.1
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The legacy costs of the war, interest on debt, cost of lost productivity, etc. and you can quadruple that cost to $2 trillion. Maybe you can catch a rerun of Paul Solmon's anaylysis on the PBS NewsHour.

6:17

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Phil Specht

weather should favor Obama slightly

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the weather gods are working for Obama

karma Fred

CORRECTION

We once thought infections were bad spirits, devils and that God allowed it to happen for some reason. We then learned of the microbial ecology in the last couple of decades...

MEANT TO SAY ... last couple of centuries...

Huron, the DNC blog has only one post or less on the topic threads.  Am I in the wrong place?

"Hopefully, it won't get that far but with the Clintons saying they will be in it to the end and their continuing to buy super votes, it appears they may try to subvert the will of the people. "

In all fairness, BO is spending 3 times the amount of money trying to buy delegates. See overnight thread.

that Dutch dude figured out how to grind glass for a closer look Fred

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. . my work, which I've done for a long time, was not pursued in order to gain the praise I now enjoy, but chiefly from a craving after knowledge, which I notice resides in me more than in most other men. And therewithal, whenever I found out anything remarkable, I have thought it my duty to put down my discovery on paper, so that all ingenious people might be informed thereof.

Antony van Leeuwenhoek. Letter of June 12, 1716

Huron, the DNC blog has only one post or less on the topic threads.  Am I in the wrong place?

Check the open thread Sea--they get 300 to BFA's 30--and they're in order-- with a date and time stamp.

Michelle Obama...........................naughty naughty..................the Repubs are gonna have a field day with ya come the fall...................although you merely speak the truth.  I wonder if a few here will ask HER to leave the country now.....................................remember?

28. John Heron wrote:

The DNC blog is run competently and attracts 10 times the posts this sorry excuse does!

Not so. Every time I have gone to comment on there, my login would not work. I would reregister and get on once -- next time it didn't work. I even had a problem for months getting into my Democracy Bond account until they finally fixed that, but not until they had grabbed far more than they were supposed to.

Many things slowly getting fixed with Democrats.org, but much tooooo slowly. The blog only works if you can get on it without a long procedure.

Deval Patrick is now on C-Span2

Is MSMNBC Corporatist(fsct) Media trying to Media assinate (Dean Scream) Michelle Obama?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/19/18435/0161/770/459925

assinate="assasinate"

I must have been thinking about the word assinine.

Also just to be clear that media-"assasinate" with a hyphen and quotes.

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FRED from Ashland OR
Tue, 02/19/08


Some of the fundamentalists still believe that Fred. Reason still battles with the ignorance of superstition on the plane. Fear, pain and suppression have been with humanity for eons.

7:00 p.m. EST 

"Michelle Obama...........................naughty naughty..................the Repubs are gonna have a field day with ya come the fall...................although you merely speak the truth.  I wonder if a few here will ask HER to leave the country now.....................................remember?"

Mike~  yeah, what'sa  matter with her... outa be bitch-slapped, that girl!! Doesn't she know her place!?! It's supposed to be a *barefoot and pregnant stand-by-your-man and shut yer mouth* place!!! 

sheesh!!

the plane s/b this plane.

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Susan Rowe
Tue, 02/19/08

Some of the fundamentalists still believe that Fred.

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I cannot judge what others believe, but FROM THE WAY THEY TALK, it sure seems like they all feel controlled by the gods (God) in matters of sickness and death, but I often hear Catholics and others talk the same way.

It seems more of a cultural tendency magnified by religion. It dovetails very nicely with the belief that fortune is God's reward being a good person, and poverty and misfortune punishment for being bad.

It seems curious that they don't seem to connect health as reward for being good, and disease as punishment for being bad.

In the popular perspective, that reasoning only seemed to apply to material wealth and power.

plane delay

"the gods" = "sh!t happens"

fatalism is alive and well

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Joan* In*Florida
Tue, 02/19/08

28. John Heron wrote:

"The DNC blog is run competently and attracts 10 times the posts this sorry excuse does!"

Not so. Every time I have gone to comment on there, my login would not work. I would reregister and get on once -- next time it didn't work.
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I used to do that to me, too. Some days it would post, and other days it would give me some kind of message that I am not eligible to post.

after several emails and a couple of months, all my posts have been going through.

McCain has a reputation as a politician who has difficulty keeping his pants zipped, according to Republican sources. He acknowledges that his adultery broke up his first marriage. His second wife Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. McCain acknowledges that she didn't want him to run, and only agreed once he promised that she doesn't have to go to New Hampshire or Iowa

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

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c'mon this is the blogosphere we're supposed to be down and dirty

you're taking about what his current wife said right?

where is drudge when you need him?

old news seashell the stimulus package passed

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can we agree to refer to Cindy McCain as John's current wife

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newbie

new thread

Hi all. Still trippin' on this new word from puddle: Casuitry. I'd never heard the word before. Google it if interested.

Bad as the blog has gotten in terms of even post sequencing I still learn things here:)

On blogs in general, I think over time bloggers have gotten a bad rap. I lurk from time to time at Caine's blog since he is their likely nominee. Surprisingly, it is NOT moderated.....at all. Serious trolling, name-calling, dirty words and all. Lots of posts from what seem to be extreme lefties really trolling their blog...this is what it would like from their perspective, I believe.

Seems to me all cands have seen that they should HAVE a blog but I don't thinkt they pay a bit of attention to them. mho.

Sea, Krugman has been very consistent about this.