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A CALL TO FELLOW DEMOCRATS:
A CALL TO FELLOW DEMOCRATS:
Hillary Clinton was working on the articles of impeachment for Nixon when Obama was in elementary school. She has devoted her life to politics and believes in the political machine as a vehicle of change, she is the best candidate for presidency. She voted to authorize Bush to use force if necessary, a vote based on mis-information, and one that preceded Obama's election to the Senate. There is no way of knowing how he would have voted. Since this vote, Hillary has worked to pass legislation to ensure health care for returning soldiers and to improve their equipment on the battlefield. Senators Hillary Clinton and John Edwards were the only democratic candidates for president to participate in a conference on global issues and sustainability in Los Angeles. Obama was noticeably absent. Hillary is funded by some corporations and lobbyists, this is preferable to the Nuclear and Coal interests funding Obama. I believe our planet is in dire straights. Could Obama pursue a moratorium on Coal? I am particularly sorrowed by my fellow women. Obama is handsome, charismatic, and maybe he even exudes an aura (I have seen him in person), but these are criteria for prom kings not presidents. If we truly want to stand for change, why not do something unprecedented and be the thirteenth country to vote a woman into leadership. You are voting for Hillary, not Bill, don't punish her for his indiscretions. Get involved, send money, write letters, hound super delegates, STAND FOR CHANGE, or do you really want McCain in the Whitehouse?
Jenny Noble
High School Science Teacher
Obama reigns first here also, with his terrific wins in 21 states -- so far. Hillary has conceded Hawaii and Wisconsin next week.
Obama/Edwards 2008
Well, we're the equal opportunity progressive organization. I welcome diverse views, whether I agree with them or not.
Although I'm not a Clinton supporter (yet), I do think she is a strong person with independent views. Calling her "billary" is a sexist act.
Tom wrote: Is it possible, and likely, that it was simply because it was better for him if people believed that indeed he did?
No.
The proof is that it wasn't better for him. You have no evidence that Edwards was so opportunist. Repeating the same deceptions doesn't make them true. IMO, Edwards had a change of heart, apologized and has never looked back. Until something happens to make me doubt his sincerety, I'll stick to this position.
I haven't changed my view on the war. I attended rallies against it before it happened, I ran for Congress against the war and I'm still against it. True. Edwards changed to fit with my view. And he had the best withdrawal plan of the top three. No combat troops. Both Clinton and Obama will be chasing AQ around for years.
Indy wrote "[1] Until something happens to make me doubt his sincerety, I'll stick to this position. [2] I haven't changed my view on the war. I attended rallies against it before it happened, I ran for Congress against the war and I'm still against it. True. Edwards changed to fit with my view."
If this is a good faith response to my question, then suit yourself. In my opinion, [2] above fully satisfies the degree of proof sought in [1].
Is anybody here really interested in the the Roger Clemens trial?? MSNBC and CNN -- all day today -- coverage. What gives? Does anyone care whether this guy used steriods or not?
What about Iraq? What about Afghanistan? What about Congress? Darfur? Poverty? The homeless? The economy? The huge debt? Oil prices? Home foreclosures? Storms in the NE? The primary elections?
They'll be digging up Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson for steroid testing next. Anything for a diversion from those things that really matter.
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Indy Steve
Wed, 02/13/08
...Both Clinton and Obama will be chasing AQ around for years.
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Oh, sure either one will try, but that doesn’t mean they’ll able to.
Money can be printed some more, of course, but not without any limits..., lol.
Our ever vigilant Congress, the Super Delegates all, are now voting on congratulating the NY Giants on their win in the Super Bowl.
They can't take up Impeachment, because it would take time away from important legislation.
Tom Bearse
Wed, 02/13/08
So obtuse. it always takes me three times reading to get your point.
Edwards changed his positon on the war, which was aligned with mine. He apologized and showed policies that reflected that talk. He hasn't done anything to reverse those policies or stances.
Why do you doubt someone when they walked the talk. I'll change my view on Edwards if he shows he was being opportunistic. But my sense he was genuine.
I'm outta here until Stevie Wonder and Tom Terrific simply agree to disagree and let it go at that.
bbl
I'll add this. Changing your position on the war from support to opposition, in and of itself, is to be lauded without reservation. I really don't have any quarrel with this at all.
However, contrast what Edwards did while he was running twice for the Democratic nomination for president, for example, with what Rep. Wayne Gilchrist and Rep. Walter Jones did. Two Republican House members who voted for the war resolution, they were the only two Republicans in the House to vote to override Bush's veto on the supplemental funding measure. Those votes are not endearing them to the party base who are going to decide their political fate. I think there's no room to question the sincerity of their change of heart about the invasion.
Indy wrote "So obtuse. it always takes me three times reading to get your point."
Don't you hate that?
House fails to pass a 21 day extension of FISA, vote was 191y to 229n.
They are now taking a fifteen minute vote on adjourning. Not sure when they will be back,...the 25th or so, I thought I heard. This is WEd. isn't it? They must be tuckered out.
4:40 pm EST
Reading this blog -- or trying to -- is something like a tilt-a-whirl, roller coaster, and fun house all rolled into one. I'm going to stop pleading with HQ to fix it, and simply begin (at considerable cost to my own karma) sending various and sundry curses their way. Off to the store to buy black candles.
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linda b
Let it die for sure. But the blue dogs in the Senate will help defeat the extension.
More evidence as to how much we need to have about a dozen new truly progressive Senators elected next Nov.
At least 21 Rethugs are up for reelection or are retiring. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to grab at least a bunch of those.
It will also be a good time for some good progressive to beat out Landrieu, Baucus, Pryor and Rockefeller on the Dem side.
Dean: "The voters have to speak first before people like me get involved "
10(ish). puddle
LMAO!
Joan* In*Florida
Wed, 02/13/08
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linda b
Let it die for sure. But the blue dogs in the Senate will help defeat the extension.
More evidence as to how much we need to have about a dozen new truly progressive Senators elected next Nov.
At least 21 Rethugs are up for reelection or are retiring. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to grab at least a bunch of those.
It will also be a good time for some good progressive to beat out Landrieu, Baucus, Pryor and Rockefeller on the Dem side.
ARE THERE BLUE DOGS IN THE SENATE????
Our Superdelegates are now voting on National Engineers Week. No time for Impeachment, or even settling FISA. Are we feeling fleeced yet? Baaahhh.
I don't know if this has already been posted while I was away today:
February 13, 2008Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign manager backs ObamaPosted: 12:15 PM ET(CNN) — CNN has confirmed that David Wilhelm, Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign manager, will endorse Barack Obama’s presidential bid Wednesday afternoon.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/bill-clintons-1992-campaign-manager-backs-obama
Super delegates liked the idea of National Engineers Week, they all voted for it. Now they can go on vacation with a clear conscience.
They postponed Impeachment and passed important legislation for the people. Baaahhh
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ARE THERE BLUE DOGS IN THE SENATE????
linda,
I was surprised to see them referred to as Blue Dogs as well, a term that has usually been associated with the House.
But I guess that what they are and the term fits them well, though I don't know of any specific group they have formed as they have in the House.
OOPS, thought they were going home. The Super Delegates are now debating, and will probably take a vote on recognizing the activities of the NAACP. They seem to be on a roll....I guess that's why they call them Super.
I don't look for John Edwards to endorse anyone. It wouldn't be in his interest.
5:08 pm
Because the candidates' actual platforms are so similar, the race has become about five things:
1) race and gender,
2) minute differences in health care policies,
3) who can beat McCain,
4) Iraq, and
5) the economy.
Clinton is trying to hammer Obama on #2, but compared to what the Republicans have to offer, either Democratic health care plan is huge progress and probably neither of them will be passed as is. Obama should hammer Clinton more on #4, partly to ramp up how that will become a big theme of the campaign against McCain (he's got to work out his lines on it now). The differences are so slim that the press is resorting to the race and gender politics between them, which is pretty awful, I think.
I think that Hillary and McCain are probably the candidates in this campaign who are more likely to be "ready to be president on Day One".
However...they're ready to be crappy, sub-optimal presidents.
George W. Bush was ready to be president on day one of his second term. His father was ready to be president on day one of his only term. Neither of them were good presidents. Being ready is not the same thing as doing a good job.
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February 11, 2008 | 5:46:15 PMCategories: Cash Rules Everything Around Me, Paper Pushers & Powerpoint Rangers, Politricks 
The Air Force can't make due on $144 billion a year. The service is telling Congress it needs nearly another $19 billion for fiscal year 2009 -- including about $1.7 billion worth of extra fighter jets.
Earlier this month, the Office of Secretary of Defense sent lawmakers its core budget for the next fiscal year. (War costs are funded separately.) But even that massive, half-trillion package - one that's been called "as good as it gets for defense contractors" -- doesn't grant each and every item on the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines' wish lists. So each service submits to Congress an array of "unfunded requirements" that it wants lawmakers to pay for.
This year, the Air Force's list is particularly long -- and particularly pricey. At $18.75 billion, it's more than two-and-half-times what the Army and Marines are asking for, combined.
Some tardy member is holding up the important business of the Super Delegates, and they are restng while they wait for him to arrive.
I wonder if the Supers would pass a resolution recognizing the work of DFA. We did just send them a brand new member. Wonder if they've heard yet.
puddle and audrey,
Thanks for the laughs, a bright spot in this so far otherwise rather blase thread
Everybody wants to be a super.
When I was a girl, the super actually did useful things like making sure the furnace was working, the garbage got picked up and the stair-wells were clean. I always thought that if the public housing buildings had the same level of service, the tenants would be quite content.
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Indy Steve
Wed, 02/13/08
... Calling her "billary" is a sexist act.
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I think it is a pisser, just funny.
...and Maureen Dowd would seem to agree
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/opinio...
But seriously folks, ergo, you would have to say it was sexist for her to take Bill's surname.
Are those household engineers they're honoring?
Jennifer Noble tip toed around the Iran vote, the resolution labeling their elite soldiers, "terrorists"
5:30 pm
Obama needs to change some attitudes amongst his campaigners. He needs to stop the Hillary-hating contingent from going too far.
It's getting pretty tired of the escalated level of hate going back and forth between Hillary Clinton supporters and Obama supporters on blogs and message boards online.
While I think it's a minority of the electorate, I think if Obama cannot unite the democratic party when this is done, his message will be deemed to have failed.
The thing is that Obama's running on a campaign of inclusiveness, hope and bringing people together...it's incongruous with his campaign to be pushing other people away, and I think the Obama supporters are becoming a little too "our guy or it's goodbye" like.
Hillary would be an ok president who would keep things going with the status quo, making few changes .
Not great and not desirable, but she'd be much better than McCain would be. But Obama would be better than either of them.
5:33 pm
posted after 43.
Ah. the congressional Supers have passed a res. authorizing the placement of a 15x17 inch bronze braille American flag to be placed at Arlington for the benefit of our blind veterans.
Nobody spoke to the idea of bringing our troops home before they become blind.
Excuse my French, but WTF?
Humanitarian gear delivered to China
The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Feb 12, 2008 19:37:05 EST
BEIJING — An Air Force C-17 cargo plane and crew from Hawaii delivered thousands of jackets, blankets and boxed rations Friday to help victims of China’s worst winter storms in more than 50 years, the U.S. Pacific Command and the Chinese government Xinhua News Agency reported.
The supplies were handed over in Shanghai to the People’s Liberation Army, which forwarded them for distribution to parts of the country’s hard-hit eastern and central regions, Xinhua said.
Maj. Gen. Qian Lihua, head of foreign affairs for the Chinese Defense Ministry, said the transfer would “promote the friendship between the two peoples and the two armed forces.”
The U.S. military has promoted such exchanges to build confidence between their armed forces.
It also follows a period of tension over China’s refusal to allow port calls by U.S. Navy ships in Hong Kong in November, apparently due to Chinese anger over Washington’s arms sales to Taiwan and a decision by the U.S. Congress to grant its highest civilian award to Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
The U.S. aid was worth $820,000 and included 6,000 winter coats, 1,657 blankets and 87,552 ration packets, Xinhua said.
In a brief notice on its Web site, the U.S. Pacific Command said it coordinated the delivery of aid supplies, which were delivered by members of the 535th Airlift Squadron and 15th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, both based at Hickam Air Force Base, said U.S. Pacific Command spokeswoman Amy Derrick-Frost.
Fleas, cockroaches, earwigs, pinkeye, and frogs in their underpants. Now, I'm done.
Bush said "we will have no permanent bases in Iraq". We don't call any of our 470 or so bases around the world PERMANENT. That's the way it "is" is.
I wonder if one of the bobbing talking heads will point out tonight that it's all in the name.
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Monica Smith
Wed, 02/13/08
The Air Force can't make due on $144 billion a year. The service is telling Congress it needs nearly another $19 billion for fiscal year 2009 -- including about $1.7 billion worth of extra fighter jets.
It's the gas that's killing them. They need hybrids with propellers that charge their batteries when they slow down and land. :)
Who is Jennifer Noble?
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Jennifer Noble joined DFA-Link today. She's written this 1 blog post.
These people are delusional--
Airmen perform unique mission in Iraq
Airman 1st Class Sarah Coble plays with children Feb 10 who are visiting family and friends detained in the Theater Internment Facility at Camp Bucca, Iraq. Airmen deployed to the 886th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron operate the TIF's vigorous visitation program which houses detainees who have been determined to be a security threat against Iraqi citizens or coalition forces. More than 1,700 friends and family members visit the detainees each week. Airman Coble is an 886th ESFS member deployed from Keesler Air Force Base, Miss. (U.S. Air Force photo/Capt. Jason McCree) Download HiRes
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by Capt. Jason McCree
386th Air Expeditionary Wing Public Affairs
2/12/2008 - CAMP BUCCA, Iraq (AFPN) -- While the spiraled rows of concertina wire, countless watch towers, and endless miles of fencing resemble that of detention facilities throughout the world, for the more than 600 Airmen deployed to the Theater Internment Facility at Camp Bucca, Iraq, the mission is unlike anything they've ever done.
The facility, nestled in the Southeast corner of Iraq, appears much the same from the outside as any other detention facility; however, inside it is much different, its guard force, a joint team comprised of Soldiers, Sailors, Iraqi correctional officers and Airmen, as well as the detainee population, set it apart from most facilities of this kind.
Charged with the safe and humane treatment of detainees determined to be a security threat against Iraqi citizens and or coalition forces, Airmen assigned to the 886th Expeditionary Security Forces Squadron support the Army's 300th Military Police Brigade.
While the Army maintains the facility's command and control, it takes a joint effort to carry out detainee operations.
Wow, if Jennifer Noble already is on the defensive about Hillary, imagine how busy she'll be explaining things away once she got into office. Sorry Jennifer, but Hillary has a lot of 'splainin' to do. And if you think we would just be voting for Hillary and not Bill, well, I do believe you are deluding yourself. Sorry.
Wow, if Jennifer Noble already is on the defensive about Hillary, imagine how busy she'll be explaining things away once she got into office. Sorry Jennifer, but Hillary has a lot of 'splainin' to do. And if you think we would just be voting for Hillary and not Bill, well, I do believe you are deluding yourself. Sorry.
puddle - LMAO
BO is in S. WI talking about trade. My goodness, is he just realizing that there's a problem? According to AAR, he's blaming Bill Clinton. I'd have to read the speech to verify that.
Being a chameleon is not doing himself any favors.
Last I heard, we still have some free speech in this country, but maybe not on this blog. Welcome, Jennifer Noble.
I think free speech still exists as long as it's about sports or who's diddling whom. Maybe our critters will spend some time passing a Right to Pee Bill.
Thanks, Audrey. LOL
Jenny Noble
I'm a voting member in several feminist's organizations and on several of their state and local listservs where there has been and continues to be a HUGE degree of male bashing going on ever since HRC entered the presidential race. The feminists rage regarding the male presidential candidates that was shown was shameful and very eye opening. It was and still is totally disgusting and childish immature behavior. Several wonderful members in very good standing have left the organizations because of it. Several women who had endorsed ABH were demonized and ridiculed publicly. The rampant calls for membership rules to be change was outrageous. HRC was only one candidate out of the many these organizations had endorsed for this election cycle. HRC is not the only one that matters in this election and her camp needs to take a reality check on that fact.
p.s. You should of heard what they had to say when Oprah endorse Obama.
MY LETTER TO JIM DEAN ON THE LATEST EMAIL FROM DFA ASKING US TO PRESSURE SUPER DELEGATES INTO OBAMA'S COLUMN:
I am VERY disturbed by your last email asking us to essentially go after Hillary Clinton by trying to pressure Super Delegates. Don't you think that starting this so early is going to lead to trouble and bitter division far ahead of the convention! I think Mrs. Clinton could most certainly make the argument that the caucus wins under Obama's column are probably NOT representative of how the state would have voted in a primary! Are you ready to open the door and include Hillary's wins in Michigan and Florida delegate? That TOO is a "process" question isn't it. I've listened to the activists in this state and while THEY are overwhelmingly rabid Obama supporters, the popular vote in this state went impressively into Hillary's column. THIS is a very bad move on the part of DFA and is going to end up doing more harm than good. I hope you reconsider this foolishness! I for one feel as though this country is being force fed an Obama mandate by a compliant media and powerful hidden interests! This force feeding reminds me of when GWB II was elected and I don't like it! I think DFA should be above these kind of divisive tactics. For God's sake, it's ONE DAY that Obama has been in the lead on pledged delegates. Are you people that out of touch! Linda Wade
former DFA coordinator
Linda Wade, can you post the actual letter from Jim Dean? I havn't received it (yet?)
The whitest Wonder Bread state in the nation pulled for Obama.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
OT: free PDF download of Suze Orman's _Women & Money_:
before 8/7c the evening of February 14.
http://tinyurl.com/ywxjx7
"Tell him to meet me in Texas. We're ready." - Hillary
Kind of sounds like Bush talking.
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Linda Wade - Lol. Sour grapes about the caucas huh. I say go Jim Dean, go get those delegates.
btw, IMHO I don't think the feminist movement in this country is ready for a female to be president. It's just not their time.
To my knowledge, anyway, today is the first time ever that Obama has held the lead in the RCP Average for the national poll at Real Clear Politics. He is at 44.6 and Clinton is at 44.3.
Though this is not officially an Obama site, though some might call it one - prom king?
If he's a prom king, Hillary just might be Carrie. Goes into a rage if she doesn't get her way.
I'd proceed with caution when trying to go for superdelegates. It's a fine line between asking for support and turning someone off altogether.
MY LETTER TO LINDA WADE
Your letter is dumb. The Michigan and Florida delegation cannot be seated because the delegate selection process was clearly out of compliance with the party's explicit rules. The candidates themselves took the four state pledge to neither campaign in those states, nor acknowledge the results of the noncompliant selection process as valid.
For the same reason, Iowa and New Hampshire's delegates may not be certified, even though it will be a cold day in hell before this transpires.
The superdelegates are virtually a nonissue, because they are not committed delegates. Each and every endorsement they have issued could be abandoned tomorrow. The superdelegates are, in essence, supernannies, given votes to make sure that when foolish civilians like ourselves actually select a candidate like George McGovern in an open primary process, the party will never have to actually submit to such a democratically nominated choice, and can insert their own hand chosen nominee by fiat.
This won't happen, because a superdelegate usurpation of the public will this year will result in a floor fight of epic proportions at the convention. They have one simple job this year which, I'll just add, they are completely cognizant of, specifically, to ratify which ever candidate has the most pledged delegates at the end of the primary season. Howard Dean and a sizeable cast of others will see to it that this comes to pass.
Addressing the overflow crowd outside @"The Mecca" (before going inside to thousands more).
The "young" folks didn't turn out to caucus, but the more mature of us didn't miss a beat.
Hillary didn't bother to address her tiny U/Maine overflow crowd at all.
Her signage was from NH & MA--pretty sad.
Obama had hardly any vis@caucuses. Didn't matter.
Ms. Presumptive needs to go back into the Senate...and *work*.
6:47 PM EST
superdelegate movement since Sun 2/10:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
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2-10-08 - Added DNC Jeremy Bernard (CA) for Obama (new to list)
2-11-08 - ...
- Added DNC Christina Montague (MI) for Obama.
- Added DNC Stan Gruszynski (WI) for Obama
- Added Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (TX) for Obama
- Added DNC Cordelia Lewis Burks (IN) for Obama
- Added DNC Patsy Arcenaux (LA) for Clinton
- Added DNC Kathleen Fahey (NE) for Obama
2-12-08 - Added Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC) for Obama
- Added DNC Jeanne Buell (ID), DNC Jeffrey Richardson (DC) for Obama
- Added DNC Terry McBrayer (KY) and DNC Jo Etta Wickliffe (KY) for Clinton
- Added DNC Dannie Montgomery (NC) for Obama
- Gov. Jim Doyle (WI) was added for Obama a couple of days ago, but not Noted until now. It was already reflected in the numbers.
2-13-08 - Added DNC Mary Ellen Early (CA) , Cecil Benjamin (VI) for Obama
- Added DNC Yvonne Kennedy (AL) , DNC Randy Kelley (AL) for Clinton
- Added DNC Raymond Jordan (MA), DNC David O'Brien (MA), DNC John Walsh (MA) and DNC Paul Kirk (MA) for Obama
- Added DNC Debra DeLee (MA) and DNC Gus Bickford (MA) for Clinton
- Added DNC Joyce Cusack (FL) for Obama
- Added DNC Evelyn Richardson (PA), DNC Richard Port (HI) and DNC Chuck Mohlke FL) for Clinton
- Added Gov. Aníbal Acevedo Vilá (PR) for Obama
- Added DNC Nicholas Nemec (SD) and DNC David Wilhelm (IL) for Obama
-Added DNC Ian Carleton (VT) for Obama
Stay tuned... we'll update this list as we find out more.
In addition the trend lines at the Gallup Daily tracking poll have finally converged, as you can see, as of yesterday. It is reported that:
"In Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted Feb. 10-12, 45% of national Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters support Obama, and 44% support Clinton. Although this is little changed from the three-day rolling average Gallup reported Feb. 12 (based on Feb. 9-11 polling), it continues to represent gains by Obama and losses by Clinton compared to the point a week ago when Clinton enjoyed a 13-percentage point lead over Obama.
"Beginning Feb. 14, Gallup Poll Daily tracking will reflect any impact Obama's sweeping victories in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia may have on voters."
The topic about Hillary is absurd.
If anyone things Bubba is going to stay home and bake cookies, they are nuts. He sees politics as a stage and Hillary will give him his chance at that coveted third term.
Do we really want Bill in the West Wing?
Hillary's vote for the war was wrong on several counts.
1 - She didn't even take the time to read the intelligence estimate because it was what - so big? And this is from a supposedly intelligent and experienced Senator?
2 – She refuses to apologize for the vote and blames the intelligence for bad information. How would she know? She never read the report?
3 – This supposedly intelligent and experienced Senator voted to give Bush a bomb Iran card by teaming with that other bastion of Democratic steadiness – Joementum. She claims Bush has to ask for permission first. This supposedly intelligent and experienced Senator hasn’t learned yet that once a presidential privilege is granted without restraints, restraints cannot be imposed if granted again.
4 – Hillary is trying to mimic Bubba by being a policy wonk. She is not even in the same ballpark with Bill. Bill knew his stuff. He never had the discipline once elected to act like a Democrat.
5 – Her path to the nomination is the same as Bubba’s path to the Presidency. Go for the big states hard and ignore the little states. If Michigan and Florida are allowed to be uncommitted delegates and have a choice then Obama will be the next candidate.
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7:11 pm
the latest Hillary slogan:
"Tell him to meet me in Texas. We're ready." The reason why this won't work is it sounds too mucho, bushlike?Why does she see the need to be like a male?The first woman president acting more malelish than the worst male president, bush?Then again, I don't know anything about Texans. Maybe they like the male mucho thing.7:12 pm
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mainefem -
Kudos to you and the people of Maine for going for Obama last Sunday. It was nice to see another state in New England in Obama's column, other than just Connecticut.
Next stop, Rhode Island and Vermont on March 4.
Nice post Jennifer Noble. It's good to see someone support Hillary here. Good for you for commenting.
Dog @ 75
Bill can get Hillary's ear, but that's about it. IMHO she thinks for herself.
Bill will be a trusted voice, but Hillary will - if elected - have many voices advising her.
I don't know, folks, I trust women to think, listen, and act all on their own - they have a mind of their own.
7:41 here at mcDonalds, and I will be gone in a few
7:41 here at mcDonalds, and I will be gone in a few
Do we really want Bill in the West Wing?
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millions of voters are saying yes to that proposition because the country did better under his administration than any of the 20 years of Republicans on either side
but he won't be the President
so we are at the choice between Obama and Hillary, who they are, what they stand for,who all would they have in their administration, their influences, their character, their leadership, their vision
this has turned out to be a pretty good process for the most part because everyone in the country will get to have a vote that counts if they so choose
6:45 CST
hard soles and glare ice
gas line freeze without a coat in the car
frozen pipes
feel free to talk to any super delegate you know personally I would think Denise
and the critters at public listening posts
the middle seat between two NFL linemen on a cross country flight
Did I just hear BO on Keithie saying, while speaking in Janesville, WI, that he was going to build a multi-million dollar plant there?
I wish he'd talk to a group of breast cancer survivors and offer something for those who lost homes, retirement income etc.
If he talks to vets who've lost limbs, will he offer to build new real ones for them. Will he give the blind new vision?
Is there anything this man can't do? What a guy!
I want him to come to my house and build an addition I need.
Gosh, a girl can always hope! :-)
Jennifer Noble - what a sad, desparate arguement!?! How did this end up on the website? Doesn't anyone proofread and factcheck?
I wish they both would now choose their VP. It might help some of us decide who to vote for.
On the fence.....congrats to the dem party and CMWs for giving us a horse race between. oh wait, there is no between. They're fraternal twins!
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putz is talking terror again. BOOOOOO!
Jonathon Turley just said that the fix has been in awhile on telecom immunity...from both sides of the aisle.
Reid today was disgraceful.
Can we now agree that the fix has been in for many many other things?
new thread
Regarding this post from Jennifer - Jennifer - stick to teaching science.
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I'm so disgusted with the superdelegate bologna that the Clinton's are pushing. Let's thwart the voters' will.
Obviously I mean Clinton wants to thwart the voters' will. Sheesh, I've been driving all afternoon and just now catching up on the news.
This is the politics of the past. I hope the voters in the upcoming primaries give her a thumpin'.
ROFLMEO ~ puddle and Phil :-)
Jenny, thanks for your input and welcome. Gotta say, I heartily disagree with you on Hillary being the best candidate as well as the ideas that women will vote for Obama simply because he's charismatic and should support HC simply because she's a woman. While I too would love to see a woman president, I would not like at all to see Hillary be president.
See ya over at the new thread.
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On post 86. seashell Wrote: “I wish they both would now choose their VP. It might help some of us decide who to vote for. On the fence.....congrats to the dem party and CMWs for giving us a horse race”
Horse race my ass, it is a catastrophe. By self destructing, it is a murder / suicide. Whenever I see talking heads on CNN and CNBC, I think they are discussing re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
We need the Democratic Dream Team! Barack Obama AND Hillary Clinton on the same Democratic ticket!!!
To beat John McCain . . . the Democrats have to work out a strategic move . . . a grand compromise …a common sense unifying step . . . a practical alliance.
How can one pressure their respective campaigns to see the big picture?!?!?! A dream team that MUST happen!!! EVEN IN THIS HEAT OF THE MOMENT . . .how can one generate pressure on their campaign teams! Before the two sides SELF DESTRUCT!!!
Is not taking the White House and a huge majority in both houses of Congress in November what it is all about? The Dream Team would do it!! Guaranteed!!
Hillary Clinton MUST reach out, and in a practical way . . . offer Barack Obama the Vice Presidential slot, and do it NOW!! (Before irreparable bad-blood and harm to goodwill sets in).
Barack must work out a VP deal with a commitment (written guarantees / detailed working papers) that his role will be MUCH MORE than that of the traditional VP, much more that that of key advisor, much more that just being a key influencer on staffing of Cabinet Slots and Supreme Court appointments. He will be a truly powerful VP!
This is all with the understanding of course, as history dictates . . . that WHEN IT IS HIS TURN . . . Barack Obama will be the shoe-in for President AFTER their successful 8 year run!!!
On 2-11-2008 . . . a headline I saw read: “Obama narrowly leads McCain in AP poll”. As the track record of these pollsters go, I would not be surprised next week to read “Clinton narrowly leads McCain in AP poll”, or a week later “McCain narrowly leads Obama or Clinton” in AP poll.
The bottom line is that NO MATTER who wins in November (from either party), what we would be left with is a split, do nothing Congress (again). And a President whose hands are virtually tied in doing anything.
CONTRAST this very likely scenario with a President and Vice President that has a huge majority in both houses of Congress with which to work!
HOW CAN THIS BE ACCOMPLISHED? By Obama’s unique Opportunity to be magnanimous! In a recent interview, he stated that:
“VANITY DOES NOT APPEAL TO ME” And in answer to the question “What drives you? His answer was: That he is just a “regular” person. He just wants to “do what he can” to make this world better.
Well . . . at this precarious time . . . many feel that his “set of gifts” would serve this nation NOT by fighting with Hillary Clinton, NOT bringing her down, but forming a grand alliance. To be part of a “Dream Team” (as Wolf Blitzer calls it). To accept (for now … a VP slot) and start telling this country what the two (2) of them would do TOGETHER to address what we are all inheriting from the Bush people.
On his own, and on her own … I FEAR (just like the war hero Kerry did), EITHER would LOSE to the Republican slime machine, and they would have squandered a historic chance to put a huge Democratic majority into both houses of Congress in November.
So if EGO is really not what drives them, why not negotiate a STRONG – POWERFUL VP slot?
Or as Dean said . . ."we're gonna have to get the candidates together and make some kind of arrangement . . . ”.
BOTH of these LEADERS ARE required. BOTH of these LEADERS need to fully cooperate . . .
It will be incredibly difficult . . . BUT by then . . . the picture will be . . . that the war was ended, the economy is turned around, the USA is again respected in the world, we have an energy plan, everyone is covered under universal health care, we do not breath as much Mercury, student loans will not be at usurious rates, we are at least talking with (and hopefully have come to some rational terms) with our enemies, have kept two steps ahead of Al-Quade, have stopped the anti-missile and other Bush supported star wars weapons boondoggles, got education of our kids back on track, and the hopes and aspirations of Americans are once again restored!
Is this not what the country needs?
Barack and Hillary, BOTH must take a page out of Mitt Romney’s “bowing out” speech. To paraphrase his practicality: . . . I must now stand aside, for our party and our country. If I fight on in this primary campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator McCain would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let our primary campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to Republicans.
Let me repeat THE BIG PICTURE!
Democratic Dream Team! Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the same Democratic ticket!!!
Is not taking the White House and a huge majority in both houses of Congress in November what it is all about? The dream team would do it!! Guaranteed!!
A Special Message to Obama supporters . . .
In the past, supporters of a candidate that joins the “opposition” might have looked at it as, “If you can’t beat them, join them”. But this type of thinking is SO LAST CENTURY!
Someone today, needs to look at Obama taking the VP role as being astute. To have realized that the primaries are a battle . . . where the WAR is the November election. In order for Democrats to WIN BIG in November, Obama and Clinton needed to join forces.
The problems to be solved are so huge, the political capital needed will be so great that it will demand the goodwill, energies and wisdom of BOTH of them to tackle these massive issues.
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