Washington State to Levy “Global Warming� Tax on Drivers

KXLY
February 9, 2008

Vehicle licensing fees in Washington State could spike dramatically, all in the name of global warming. Six Seattle Democrats in the state Senate are trying to push through a bill that would require the Department of Licensing to collect a greenhouse gas tax. Sponsors say the tax in Senate Bill 6923 is an effective way to fight global warming by giving the state more money to fund transportation alternatives. If it passes, there will be an extra tax on your yearly license tab fees, based on EPA estimated miles per gallon your vehicle gets. The bill states vehicles getting below 15 miles per gallon will be charged between $200 and $240 extra every year. Vehicles that get between 15 and 25 miles per gallon, will pay $100 to $180 dollars extra every year. Vehicles getting over 26 miles per gallon, will pay between $40 and $100 extra every year. Vehicles that don’t have an estimated fuel economy rating will be charged a fee based on engine size.
ron paul is first!!

Bar story
>>
>> Hillary Clinton called Bill into her office one day
>> and said, 'Bill, I have
>> a great idea. I know how we can win back middle
>> America and secure my
>> presidential victory in 2008'.
>>
>> 'Great, but how do you propose we go about that?'
>> asked Bill.
>>
>> 'Well', Hillary responds, 'We'll go down to a local
>> Wal-Mart, get some
>> cheezy clothes and shoes like most middle Americans
>> wear, and then we'll stop at
>> the pound and pick up a Labrador . When we look the
>> part we'll go to a nice
>> old country bar in middle America , and we'll show
>> them that we really enjoy
>> the countryside and show admiration and respect for
>> the hard working people
>> living there.'
>>
>> A few days later, all decked out and with the
>> requisite Labrador at heel,
>> they set off from New York in a westerly direction.
>> Eventually they arrived at
>> just the place they were looking for. With dog in
>> tow they walk into the bar.
>> They step up to the bar and the bartender takes a
>> step back and says,
>>
>> 'Aren't you Bill and Hillary Clinton?'
>>
>> Hillary answers, 'Yes we are, and what a lovely
>> town you have here. We were
>> just passing through and Bill suggested that we
>> stop and take in some local
>> color.'
>>
>> They then order a couple of cocktails from the
>> bartender and proceed to
>> drink them down, all the while chatting up a storm
>> with anyone who would listen.
>>
>> All of a sudden, the bar room door opens and a
>> grizzled old farmer comes in.
>> He walks up to the Labrador , lifts its tail and
>> looks underneath, shrugs
>> his shoulders and walks out the door.
>>
>> A few moments later, in came another old farmer. He
>> walks up to the dog,
>> lifts its tail, looks underneath, scratches his
>> head, and then leaves the bar.
>>
>> Over the course of the next hour or so, another
>> four or five farmers came
>> in, lifted the dog's tail, and went away looking
>> puzzled.
>>
>> Eventually Hillary and Bill could stand it no
>> longer and called the
>> bartender over ''Tell me', said Hillary, 'Why did
>> all those old farmers come in and
>> look under the dog's tail like that? Is it some
>> sort of old custom?'
>>
>> 'Good Lord no', said the bartender, 'Its just that
>> someone has told them
>> that there was a Labrador in here with two
>> assholes!'
>>
>> IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY, OR WHAT?

Howard Dean is first!

5th Cable Cut Fuels Allegations of Isolating Iran

Leslie D`Monte & Rajesh S Kurup
Business Standard
February 9, 2008

Conspiracy theories of deliberately cutting communication lines to West Asia, primarily Iran, gained ground in the media and blogs as reports of another undersea cable cut — the fifth successive one in just a week’s time — started emerging in cyberspace.

While the extent of Iran’s isolation was unclear, many blogs alleged that the cable cuts and outages in West Asia were a ploy by an intelligence agency to disrupt Iranian commerce, targeting an emerging petroleum exchange that the country was shortly hoping to roll out.

The fifth cable cut could, in fact, have been a second cut on a different segment of the FALCON cable, owned by Reliance Communications, suggested other blogs and reports.

Cables are normally laid in proximity to each other and an accident in one cable can result in severing many cables at a time.

A cable-laying company has to undertake an expensive marine survey which costs anywhere between Rs 40 crore and Rs 120 crore, depending on the terrain. To cut costs, some cable companies skip the marine survey, noted an analyst who did not wished to be quoted.

The successive damage of these cables, they add, is of major concern since almost 90 per cent of Internet traffic is routed through undersea cables, and only 10 per cent through satellites.

The reason for the damage to the cables remains moot as the companies have claimed that they were cut after ships weighed their anchors over them.

However, the Egyptian ministry (after monitoring the satellite surveillance pictures) had refuted these claims stating there were no ships in the vicinity 12 hours before and after the cable cut.

One February 7, Reliance Communications claimed that the severing of the FALCON submarine cable — which disrupted voice and telecommunication traffic between Dubai and Oman — was caused by a ship�s anchor. The company also put up a picture of an abandoned anchor on its website.

None of the analysts this paper spoke to wished to go on record, saying it is “a sensitive matter�. However, they pointed out that the ocean bottom does pose great challenges to the telecommunication hardware, which must survive for 25 to 35 years in the harsh undersea environment.

to late paul is!!!!!!!!

Perhaps Iran is not NWO “user friendly�. Have no illusions regarding the so called “liberation� of targeted nations. The so called “Democracies� that are installed after these hostile takeovers are anything but constitutional governmental systems. As witnessed in AMERICA, even constitutional republics can be infiltrated, perverted, and used for evil. The New World Order will continue to systematically demonize nations and manufacture conflicts until no nation on earth opposes complete subserviance to the satanic UN godhead.
If Americans don’t quickly pull thier heads out of their butts and wake up, what little is left of freedom will be completely swallowed up in another false flag event, and the dictators of martial law will gleefully rape and pillage the fat of the nation under yet again the bogus auspices of
NATIONAL SECURITY.
Expect to see a nuclear attack inside the US, or possible biochemical attack. Whatever it is, will most likely be blamed on shadowy terrorists again. In fact, I recently saw several mainstream media press releases to the effect that America is totally vulnerable to internal terrorism. So in otherwords, they are psychologically preparing Americans for it.
Never mind the infinite tax dollars we pour daily into the National Security infrastructure, we are supposed to be stupid enough to believe the government can’t stop the “evil terrorists�.

LOL, not a chance Daniel ~ Just cuz you say so doesn't make it true :-D IMO, RP's theories put into practice would take us to a more miserable place than we are in presently. Think progressive ;-)

9:44 pm est

DemocracyFest 2008! w00t!

The 5th Annual DemocracyFest will be held August 16th and 17th, 2008 in Dulles, VA, just outside Washington, DC. The location and date was announced today by DemocracyFest Incorporated; the event's producer.

DemocracyFest is a weekend-long political festival, filled with educational trainings and inspiring speakers and entertainers. The event's motto is "Education by Day, Celebration by Night".

The Holiday Inn Washington Dulles will be the location for this year's event, where politically minded, progressive activists will meet for networking and education. This year's hosting sponsor is Democracy For Virginia and training classes will be conducted by Democracy for America. For more information go to www.DemocracyFest.net

we are on our way there now here come h/c you think it bad now wait. and who is on the ticket that fit that bill its not obama, think all you want your not going to get it and yes paul is first on this post!!!!!!!!!!!lol ha ha

ROFL ~ thanks for the laugh. Matters not who's posted about first, it's the Dean's who are first.

Gotta run out for a few, bbl

♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

9:57 pm est

Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Mon, 02 was once blind like you, alway vote dem, but now i see the light both party our the same, hopefully you will see it too before its to late, did you vote the dem in congress so why do you think it will be defferance with a dem pres, it wont, there only one thing about getting older you get smarter, you dont belive everthing they say, keep up the work for the nwo, just look what they did to dean! google terror storm, endgame, freedom to facism, then we can talk till then see ya!!!!!!

This Clinton-Obama-Edwards meeting business brings to mind two cats jockeying for praise from the mouse they killed.

Prediction markets now showing Obama beating Clinton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080211/pl_n...

Sitka - LOL. At this stage does an Edwards endorsement do anything for anyone? Serious question. If he endorses Hillary - then all his change talk was just empty IMO. But he doesn't like Barack's healthcare plan. So, who knows. I read that Elizabeth likes Barack.

At this stage does an Edwards endorsement do anything for anyone?

I'm on record as thinking endorsements do little for anyone but perhaps the endorser if the endorsee happens to win and then rewards for it. As for Edwards, he surely enjoys the attention.

RON PAUL SUCKS

SOCIALISM ROCKS

Please RVSP for DemocracyFest 2008 at the DFA-Link.

HERE: http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=2796...

If you RSVP YES or MAYBE please cross-link our local DFA group(s) to this event.

HERE: http://www.dfalink.com/events.php

10:51 PM EST

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080211/ap_ca/on_the2008_trail_1

Instead of flowers, give to Obama

Mon Feb 11, 4:32 PM ET

RICHMOND, Va. - Democrat Mitch Van Yahres backed Sen. Barack Obama until the day he died on Friday, and instead of sending flowers, his obituary suggested contributions to Obama's campaign.

Van Yahres was a dauntless and sometimes idealistic advocate for the poor and powerless representing Charlottesville, Va., for 24 years in the House of Delegates.

His politics drew him strongly to Obama

...

Monday's paid obituary in Van Yahres' hometown newspaper, The Daily Progress, asks his friends "to make a healthy and significant contribution to the presidential campaign of Barack Obama or, if they insist, the charity of their choice."

10:55 PM EST

nite everyone

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington state is the first in the nation to phase out the use of some fireproofing chemicals in televisions, computers and upholstered furniture, under a measure signed into law by Gov. Chris Gregoire on Tuesday.

Gregoire signs law phasing out fire retardants in some products

By Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Washington state is the first in the nation to phase out the use of some fireproofing chemicals in televisions, computers and upholstered furniture, under a measure signed into law by Gov. Chris Gregoire on Tuesday.

The measure prohibits the manufacture, sale or distribution of most items containing polybrominated diphenyl ethers, commonly known as PBDEs, as long as a safer alternative exists.

Under the measure, mattresses with deca would be banned after Jan. 1, 2008, since deca alternatives already exist for mattresses.

The chemical would be prohibited in residential upholstered furniture and in televisions or computers with electronic enclosures after Jan. 1, 2011, as long as a safer alternative has been found.

"This will ensure the health of our homes and our waterways without putting our fire safety at risk," Gregoire said, surrounded by lawmakers and members of the environmental community.

There would be some exemptions,...

http://www.komotv.com/news/local/7067127...

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NOTE: Sweden has defied an EU agreement by banning Deca, found accumulating in their recycle workers. Chemical companies are striking back by calling for fines against Sweden by the EU.

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FRED from Ashland OR
Mon, 02/11/08

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RON PAUL SUCKS

SOCIALISM ROCKS
free loader suck get a job! get out of the wagon and push.

The legislation to cover all children in Iowa was one of the recommendations of the Legislative Commission on Affordable Health Care Plans for Small Businesses and Families, co-chaired by Representative Ro Foege.  The Commission met for eight months across Iowa developing recommendations on how to cover more Iowans and control rising health care costs.

The legislation introduced this week would cover an additional 25,000 children through Healthy and Well Kids in Iowa (hawk-i), Medicaid, and other government health insurance programs.  The 19,000 remaining Iowa children without health care would be covered by private insurance plans.  Families with an income between 200% and 300% of the federal poverty level would receive a state subsidy to help them purchase insurance for their children.  These children come from families whose parents work but do not make enough to afford health insurance on their own.

The private health insurance plans included in the proposal will be those approved by a new Health Care Insurance Exchange.  This quasi-public agency will set minimum requirements, similar to the existing hawk-i Board

Obama unveiled  at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4273401&affil=ktnv

The Great Depression 2008

Andy Sutton
The Market Oracle
February 9, 2008
http://www.infowars.com/?p=189

Cops Shoot Woman in Face, Laugh About It

YouTube
August 18, 2006http://www.infowars.com/?p=196

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Phil Specht do you think illegales should get free health care?

How the Spooks Took Over the News
The Independent
February 11, 2008
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1928

Campaign Donations: Rockefeller Backs Hillary; Kissinger Backs McCain
JonesReport.com
February 7, 2008







As globalist tool John McCain rises to the forefront of the GOP party, it becomes increasingly clear that he will likely head off Hillary Clinton in the general election.

Behind the veil, this fixed-election might be indicated, at least for illustrative purposes, by maximum contributions from globalist kingpins David Rockefeller to Hillary, and from Henry Kissinger to John McCain.

Of course, pockets as deep as a Rockefeller can afford to back all the horses in the race– which, of course, generally happens through CFR and Bilderberg vetting, but perhaps David Rockefeller’s own donation gives away his selected choice for heir. (And all indicators have Hillary taking the crown).

At least two other Rockefellers have thrown money behind Hillary, though several other minor Rockefellers have contributed towards Obama, McCain, Richardson, and Edwards, all of whom are within the CFR-sphere of control as well.

Notably, William and Lisenne Rockefeller have donated to Mike Huckabee– they are the surviving immediate family of the late Winthrop P. Rockefeller, who was Lt. Governor under Huckabee.

The elder Winthrop Rockefeller was Governor of Arkansas from 1967-1971 (and often rumored to be the illegitimate father of Bill Clinton).


Politics are theater, and virtually any candidate could be cast aside at any point, but the elite-level of support for Hillary Clinton and general control of all the contenders can’t be good for the democratic process– so much so, that it may be little more than an illusion. It certainly appears that the fix is in.

After all, Rupert Murdoch, owner of NewsCorp / Fox News has also donated heavily to the Hillary campaign despite the Fox reputation as a ‘conservative’ network.

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do you think illegales should get free health care?

They should get health care just like everyone else. But, since they pay taxes like everyone else, it wouldn't be free. 

Watch out for knock-and-talks
DI Editorial Staff
Issue date: 9/19/05 Section: Opinions
PrintEmail DoubleClick Any Word Page 1 of 1 On Wednesday, members of the Iowa City community will have a chance to meet with their new police chief, Sam Hargadine. One question citizens should ask is about the chief's endorsement of the controversial "knock-and-talk" police search tactic. We discourage this policy, as it is detrimental to the community, and encourage police techniques that are more straightforward and appropriate for Iowa City.

A knock-and-talk search works like this: Police officers go to the door of a residence in which they suspect illegal activity is occurring. They knock, introduce themselves as a police officer, and ask to come in and talk. If the resident says yes, they enter the home and look around for signs of drugs or illegal alcohol. If they see any, they detain the resident(s) in the dwelling while calling for a warrant that allow them to legally search for the evidence they saw during the visit.

Not only is the technique deceptive, people may be intimidated by a police officer's request and may be unaware that they have the right to refuse entry. It's troubling that law enforcement in Iowa City feels the need adopt such questionable tactics.

It's questionable whether knock-and-talk is constitutional, because the Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable searches of their homes. In United States v. Johnson, a federal circuit court ruled that the police on a knock-and-talk mission acted inappropriately in entering a home and searching for drugs without a warrant. In that case, the defendant never gave his consent for the officers to enter his home, but the police asserted that they saw a crack pipe from the doorway (a claim the court ruled was unbelievable). Knock-and-talk searches may or may not be constitutional, depending on how carefully officers follow the letter of the law, but in any case, they tempt police to make a bust by bending the rules.

Worrying about constitutional searches shouldn't just be the domain of bleeding-heart liberals. If a search is ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional, the evidence of the search is thrown out - and a criminal may go free. Knock-and-talk is a shortcut. If there is evidence of drug use or drug dealing, then police should obtain a warrant. Police officers are rightfully zealous about protecting communities from lawbreakers, but searching and arresting suspects by the book is the best way to eliminate crime.

City Manager Steve Atkins told the that knock-and-talk is nothing to worry about, because the police most likely will use the technique "judiciously." The implication is that only the guilty should be worried about police tactics. But all citizens should have a say in how their community is policed.

Knock-and-talk is a bad policy, because it sets up an adversarial relationship between citizens and the police. Instead of encouraging people to support their local police force, knock-and-talk creates an atmosphere of fear and distrust. We hope that UI community can work with the police and that Iowa City police will be open and evenhanded in their law-enforcement tactics. But if a police officer knocks on your door and says he wants to chat, remember that you have the right to talk to him on the front porch and shut the door.

Good answer Sitka!! It's in everybody's best interest that we all receive the best healthcare possible - especially for communicable diseases. The more treatment options the healthier we all will be.

Sitka it would be very cool if you could come to DemFest. You can escape the furnace for the boiler room LOL

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Thankful2Thankful4Dean
Mon, 02/11/08

May go to DC in August...all depends, of course. Remember camping with you and Charlie Grapski in the pouring rain at the last Dem convention? Geez, want to do that again???!!

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Phil Specht
Mon, 02/11/08

That is wonderful of Iowa.


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rae hart
Tue, 02/12/08


One of our local DFA member's son looks a lot like Barack Obama. Tho his ears are a little different. He told her that he gets stopped constantly by Obama supporters. People want to know if he's Obama or somehow related. He said some folks just want to touch him.

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DANIEL ROONEY
Mon, 02/11/08

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22.

Phil Specht do you think illegales should get free health care?
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of course. Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

21.

DANIEL ROONEY
Mon, 02/11/08

SOCIALISM ROCKS
free loader suck get a job! get out of the wagon and push.
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Screw you - you right wing NAZI mother fucker

Hi Indy :-) LOL, I've got a room for Dfest. It would indeed be cool to be out in CO the weekend before the convention but alas it wasn't workable. I love the DC area and am thrilled the location is easy access and affordable. My fingers are crossed to see you there.

19. Susan, I just RSVP'd and see I'm the first to do so ;-D There are several people I know of who have already purchased tickets so do keep posting...

12:25 am est

Indy you have to come!

Thankful the Holiday Inn didn't call me back. i'm trying to get a larger room for me and my, ahem, guest. And I'm leaving on Monday.

Whoa, gents!

livin' the vermont way

Gee, this blog software changed. Now you need to allow pop-ups in order to post

Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

Really. I bet anyone in this country calls it home.

ROONEY supports a system that allows CEO to steal billions from the masses and invest it in China, who loans us money to pay for his tax cuts.

Fucked up.

Hi there sunlight :)

Sea are you at a loss for words?? (kidding)

Well, that didn't work.

Daniel brings some good things over here...reality checks about the encroaching totalitarianism.  This is a must see, especially the police reaction....laughing at hurting a woman.  Things are going very wrong with our enforcement people.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=196 

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sunlight
Tue, 02/12/08

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Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

Really. I bet anyone in this country calls it home
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Speak for yourself. I've been born and raised in this country and never felt "at home" for very long (in the civil sense of the word.) Always felt like I was passing through.

Not feeling well tonight Fred?

Your posts seem to be sprinkled with a bit of cayenne.

Awesome Denise, bet they'll get back to you tomorrow.

Can you believe this is the 5th Dfest already? I missed the one in Austin but have been to all the others. It was so neat to then go into Boston and see Howard speak a couple more times. I slept in my car two nights, one in the parking lot where the TBA conference was and then mooched a parking space at Indy's campsite. That trip was the first Roadpop! 5000 miles in 2 weeks.

Hey all, DO make your reservations asap!
http://www.democracyfest.net/

12:37 am est

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seashell :-)
Tue, 02/12/08

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Well, that didn't work.

Daniel brings some good things over here...reality checks about the encroaching totalitarianism.
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Bull. So tell me who doesn't [warn against totalitarianism] He both warns against it, and unwittingly supports the worst form of it. The guy's a megalomaniac troll from the wacky-wing of the right wing.

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FRED from Ashland OR ha ha got ya nice where did you learn those big words. mom get the soap! fred can dish it out but cant take it,lol show your intelligent what little you have.lol

thankful, DFest sounds fun, but there are people on this blog who might throw rotten fruit at me.  LOL  I may still be yakking about Edwards.... :-)

But the tango in DC is quite good.   

Is everything happening at the hotel to make it easy to get around?  San Diego was a nightmare....

How far is the venue from downtown DC?

I also only missed the one in Austin.

We had a good time at all of the others, especially in San Diego. I remember when we went to take mprov to visit his mom's grave at the Naval cemetery. Then we all went to the beach.

Now all we need to do is find Charlie. It won't be Demfest without him.

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Denise
Tue, 02/12/08

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Not feeling well tonight Fred?

Your posts seem to be sprinkled with a bit of cayenne.
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Au contraire. I only get that pissed when I'm feeling good. Just had a great meal followed by wife's famous organic cheesecake. Just not in the mood to digest Rooney whiny cut-and-paste nonesense.

The guy makes Oler look like a Lefty.

Now the bog software is just that bogged down. Grrrr....

Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Latinos, who want them. It's also a huge issue for the general electorate, which most vehemently does not. Obama's stand could come back to haunt him not only in a general election, but with other voters in California, where driver's licenses for illegal immigrants helped undo former Gov. Gray Davis.

Clinton stumbled into that minefield in a debate last fall and quickly backed off. First she suggested a New York proposal for driver's licenses for illegal immigrants might be reasonable. Then she denied endorsing the idea, and later came out against them.

Oh sea come on - no one will throw tomatoes at you. I think we are a pretty forgiving bunch. I never hold grudges; they are too heavy. We can go out to a group lunch again.

And it's not in downtown DC, it's at the Dulles airport Holiday Inn - shuttle to and from. Very self contained.

hi sunlight ::waving:: I'm not getting pop-ups, phew.

Fred, I've known that feeling and all I can say is feeling at home comes from within.

12:43 am est

I think Dulles is no more than 10 miles or so from DC proper, maybe closer.

Tbey have a great transportation system there.

The "new" FRED has morphed back into the "old" FRED.

seashell :-)
Tue, 02/12/08

They wouldn't dare....if they do, I'll, I'll, I'll...throw lemons back at 'em. Ccccourage!

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seashell :-)
thank sea even jesus was mock! fred cant help him self its not his fault lack of education maybe he was abuse as a child!

I've been born and raised in this country and never felt "at home" for very long (in the civil sense of the word.) Always felt like I was passing through.
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Seems like you have a hard time feeling at home.

Please, what aggravates me is that this blog software just doesn't work. And no communication from HQ.

Gee, it really sucks. And we are still posting here. Why, why, why? Because we all suck?

Denise
Tue, 02/12/08

I only went to the first one...seems there's always a conflict. Where is Charlie? I've lost track of what happened to his case...

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Sitka
Tue, 02/12/08

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The "new" FRED has morphed back into the "old" FRED.
now thats funny!!!!!

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Sitka
Tue, 02/12/08

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The "new" FRED has morphed back into the "old" FRED
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The "new" fred thinks Rooney (and his right wing nonsense) sucks just as much the "old" fred did. If that's what you mean.

Or do you support Rooney's pollution here?

Denise
Tue, 02/12/08

i think Dulles if further out, more like 30 miles...but I believe the subway goes downtown from the airport.

sea, no cabs needed. Dulles is 45 mins. to an hour from downtown DC, I'm sure there's got to be shuttles. No one's gonna throw anything but hugs :-)

Denise, some of my favorite times were the San Diego Dfest. Lots and lots of fun.

12:50 am est

Thankful wrote: Fred, I've known that feeling and all I can say is feeling at home comes from within.

Thankful knows. She's home on the road (or is it the range?) ;-0

sunlight! nah, we don't. Just the grrrr bouncy software.

12:53 am est

Thanks Indy - I actually have not been there for awhile, but I do change planes there often. I also have a large oncology meeting there the following month.

sunlight - LOL....posting here is good brain exercise.

Or do you support Rooney's pollution here?

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Please, calling postings on this blog pollution?

I guess you are sensitive. Did you forget to take precaution and put your anti-pollution mask on.

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sunlight

.... Why, why, why? Because we all suck?

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No. Just Rooney and Ron Paul suck. They are a real drag on the blog, and don't belong here.

They belong at some right wing neo-nazi corporatist laizzez- faire libertarian kiss-the-ass-of-the-rich blog.

Candy coated Social Darwinism.

That's not BFA.

?

12:53 am

Indy I think Charlie is still in Alachua. No news on his case. There is a website out there, Alachua Speaks Out or something like that but it's mostly drivel. I don't think he posts there anymore but his detractors keep track of him like they are in love with him, so sometimes there are clues on there as to his whereabouts.

Someone used to keep us updated at HEP but nothing of late.

Indy ~ ROFL :-) You bet! Don't fence me in... Actually, I meant something more in that post but don't think I'll expand on it this evening. Haven't heard anything about Charlie recently but hope he'll be able to join us, too.

12:55 am est

Or do you support Rooney's pollution here?

I doubt if anybody supports the pollution of ROONEY or FRED. 

When FRED came back with a new handle he seemed to have learned his lesson from the last time he went obscenely ballistic and then vanished from the blog -- but apparently not. 

Oh well. I did just fine without him and will continue to when he vanishes again. 

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sunlight
Tue, 02/12/08

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Or do you support Rooney's pollution here? ______________________________________________________________ Please, calling postings on this blog pollution? I guess you are sensitive. Did you forget to take precaution and put your anti-pollution mask on.

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Not that I have any affection for blue dogs like Oler. But I fail to understand how tolerant our esteemed bloggers have been of Rooney, compared to the way we ran Oler out of town.

At least Oler was a Democrat who believed in Universal health care. Rooney and Paul are against EVERYTHING our party stands for - except maybe Iraq, but for the wrong reasons.

Paul is not a pacifist. He's an isolationist, like Buchanan only much more to the right.

The blog page never finishes loading. There is always 1 item remaining. Which prevents me for formatting. GGGGGGrrrrrrrrrrr

As much as I like all your comments I feel I don't want to tolerate this lousy blog any more. That's why Dean never made it. He couldn't get things straightened out.

I know I sound bitter. Guess what. I am. This organization can't fix a blog?

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Sitka
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Do you defend Rooney's postings?

Thanks for the info on Charlie. Hope he's doing better. I just googled and he's still giving them hell down there! That's Charlie. Click. See you all at Demfest.....maybe.

http://www.highspringsherald.com/articles/2008/01/31/news/news02.txt

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sunlight
Tue, 02/12/08

Anyone stuck in this stinkin' country who needs health care should get it. We should also help them get back home.

Really. I bet anyone in this country calls it home.
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Typical ugly American hubris disposition. People come here to work because they need money to survive, not all immigrant workers are dazzled by our plastic consumerism and get-rich promises.

Home is where they have to take you in. But when your baby dies because you cannot afford the antibiotic, it's time to hit the road.

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FRED from Ashland OR
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ROONEY supports a system that allows CEO to steal billions from the masses and invest it in China, who loans us money to pay for his tax cuts.

Fucked up.




funny fred im a big fat ceo i have millons do you need a loan?lol where in the hell did you come up with that one? did you come up with it on your own,to tell the truth i am a drywall contractor havnt work in months have kids cant pay my bills cause people our useing illegales to do the work,but who care about american anymore let give it all to the mexicans, grow up fred.

Do you defend Rooney's postings?

I don't defend the petty and insulting remark he made to you nor your equally if not more disgusting reply to it.

As for the other stuff that's posted, I see the two of you equally as cranks in your own different ways, and usually ignore you both. 

Indy - THANKS for finding that. I haven't looked in several weeks for anything on Charlie. Kudos :)

Two accursed creatures that never die -- Dracula and Oler.

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Indy Steve
Tue, 02/12/08

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Thankful wrote: Fred, I've known that feeling and all I can say is feeling at home comes from within.

Thankful knows. She's home on the road (or is it the range?) ;-0
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Cool - thanks for the surrealistic pillow

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Sitka
Tue, 02/12/08

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Two accursed creatures that never die -- Dracula and Oler
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Rooney's more of a menace than they ever were.

Rooney's more of a menace than they ever were.

Like FRED, ROONEY is often a fool, but never a menace. 

Ohio Woman Strip Searched by Male Cops
An example of the increasing brutality and thuggish indecency of a growing number of police.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

LMAO, Dracula and Oler....yeah some folks here just can't seem to shake him.

They can't quit him.

Denise :-) Yep.

sunlight :-| It's frustrating to be sure, come back soon...

Denise, let me know when you'll be in the midwest and out east again.

1:47 am est

I'm coming in Saturday and Sunday of Memorial Day weekend - red eye out on Friday night before.

Might get to Southern NH for Easter - still firming up with the bro.

I'm off to bed. Nighters

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Sitka
Tue, 02/12/08

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Before you call anyone fool, Sitka, you should ask yourself what you support besides negativity and criticism. Anyone can tear down, kill, destroy, but few can build. I have yet to see you support anything that builds. You are an expert at taunting, humiliating, name-calling and criticism, but what have you ever done that is positive? what good do you promote?

Night Denise, sweet ones :-)

1:55 am est

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Sitka
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Rooney's more of a menace than they ever were.

Like FRED, ROONEY is often a fool, but never a menace.
fool are people like you who belive the dems will save us both party are working together im not the ememy here, its the consitition thats all i care about not the partys you all have to much hope in the system it broke it need to be fix cheap shot at each other wont help us were all in the same boat just trying to keep it a float, so if you feel the need to attack me go head im not going away,facism is growing total police state is coming,see ya at a fema camp!!! over 800 how ready to be filled, i hope im wrong i hope you all are right but what if your not? dont belive me google what i post. thats all im saying. nwo

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DANIEL ROONEY
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You are no fool, Rooney. You may be a sicko, but you know exactly what you are doing.

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FRED from Ashland OR
Tue, 02/12/08

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sunlight
Tue, 02/12/08

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Or do you support Rooney's pollution here?
why dont you carbon tax me? to late the nwo has done it already.

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FRED from Ashland OR
Tue, 02/12/08

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DANIEL ROONEY
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You are no fool, Rooney. You may be a sicko, but you know exactly what you are doing.
o fred your to kind no hard feeling here been called worst, peace brother,we can disagree but let us be more civil.

Ya'll know I was kidding, right?  Will you at least throw money...or tango shoes?  I only have 30 or so pairs.  Yikes.

Tbilisi, Georgia Police Enforce Martial Law (2007)
Police utilized latest martial law technology against peaceful demonstrators. http://www.infowars.com/?p=174

Martial Law Is Coming
WDBJ 7, Roanoke, VA, news piece on how police are training to implement martial law. http://www.infowars.com/?p=176

Just some musings

I think the essence of community is conversation..
some prefer an orderly conversation, some like it wild.

Our survival depends on communication. We have the power. But we need to share it with each other.

Communication is sharing.

Oh dear.

I need to get an airwick out.

nite bloggie.

Denise, great comment about how baggage weighs too much.  If we meet at Dullas, let's talk about endorisng Chopra!  :-)

Clergy Response Teams
KSLA report on how the clergy has been enlisted to "quell dissent" among parishioners. http://www.infowars.com/?p=175

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sunlight well put, sunlight over powers darkness good night all!!

from Rooney's post 96?

Before you call anyone fool, Sitka, you should ask yourself what you support besides negativity and criticism. Anyone can tear down, kill, destroy, but few can build. I have yet to see you support anything that builds. You are an expert at taunting, humiliating, name-calling and critlicism, but what have you ever done that is positive? what good do you promote?

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I find it amusing, the different reactions Sitka's posts evoke.

I know he has been accused of lying, wrongly from my point of view.

He has been accused of negativity. Again wrongly from my point of view. Pointing out negative things doesn't mean one is negative.

Unfortunately not anyone can tear down corruption.

In my opinion he is not humiliating, taunting, yes, a little bit. Name calling, not really. But you certainly are.

What has he ever done that is positive?
That is easy. He is continuously striving to point out reality and try to make the best of it.

What good does he promote?
Humanity.

Of course, this is just my impression.

sorry, 96 is not Rooney, it's Fred's post I'm referring to.

Apologies Daniel.

2:45 am

sea, lol. ok, ok, how 'bout I throw ya a rose? It'll be after this years' Pride Parade Stiletto Challenge,(http://www.windycityempire.org/stiletto2...) but I'll wear my 4" heels if you attend :-)

2:46 am est

Just read the whole thread. My head aches.
Under the wing, next to the heart. . . .

2:48 am EST

Night and ♥'s to all

Kindness is free!

2:51 am est

Hey puddle ::waving:: Sweet ones atcha :-)

2:52 am est

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DANIEL ROONEY
Tue, 02/12/08

peace brother,we can disagree but let us be more civil

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You as phoney as a three dollar bill. How can one be civil with a neo nazi like you.

Obama i ledning inför viktiga val

Det politiska dramat tilltar när primärvalen på tisdagen når områdena runt USA:s huvudstad Washington DC. Barack Obama leder i delegatstävlingen och Hillary Clinton byter ut sin kampanjchef

http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.273731/usa_vale...

Good morning, everybody

Well, that's an unfriendly opening to this thread.  It's customary to provide a salutation including Dean.

Can you actually read that, Fred ?  I take it it's telling us that Obama is leading in the number of delegates.  And it's a political drama.  LOL

When I first tried to connect this morning, there was no internet.  Now it's back. 

The only way the delegate count is even close is if you add in Florida and Michigan to Hillary's column without thinking any of Michigans uncommitted will go Obama.

the MSM is involved in massive spin to keep it a horse race

Daniel Rooney is poisoning the well for our friend former who tries to have a rational discussion while advancing the same points. It would be in good form for former to address Daniel when he engages in blog pollution. 

It is now officially the worst winter here since 1978 and that was a doozy. No wonder Hillary is skipping ahead to Texas instead of doing battle in Wisconsin. 

If Florida's votes don't count they will count them (hope that makes sense). So Obama would be doing Howard a favor in avoiding that whole convention fight by pulling away and by a bigger margin than Florida today.

Blog still jumpy.  When the state issues a permit or license, it must do so if the applicable conditions have been met.  Since nationality has no relationship to having the skill to drive a motorized vehicle, it's not a justification for withholding same.  

I miss having Judy in EU -- now there's not enuf to read with my pop tart -- I scroll Fred/Sitka/Daniel when they get in p*ssing contests. Looks like DemFest is generating some interest tho.

Since the conservatives' goal is to control the population by generating fear, I consider the spreading of un-founded threats to be fear-mongering that plays into the hands of conservatives.  Bureaucrats do have a tendency to turn into control-freaks.  That's why we need elected representatives to keep them in check.  That's why the founders set up a government that has to operate withing strict LIMITS.  

Limited government doesn't refer to a minimal number of obligations or responsibilities; it refers to strict limits on its powers--i.e. the use of force.  Conservatives would like to define government as having just one function--to control the population by force or the threat of force.  Liberals consider the obligations and responsibilities we assign to government to be virtually unlimited, while the use of force should be virtually nil.  This interpretation is clearly not attractive to lazy people.

I saw Daniel's question to me about health care for guests here from other countries, and it just highlights the fact that people are indeed shut out of health care because the current system doesn't cover everyone, and will be an issue for universal health care. Yes Daniel here in Iowa we plan on giving health care to all of the children in the state regardless of who their parents are.

drywall work being down might have more to do with subprime and the housing bubble crash than out of status competition though

recessions always put people out of work and this one is centered in construction

I bought a Deanfest ticket but may not use it.

This is a fun site--a little quirky from Britain....

http://revjph.blogspot.com/ 

Did Judy vote in Switzerland or is she voting today in Maryland? I'd like an on the ground report from voting today, lines equal an Obama blowout.  

Older population to more than double
By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer
Mon Feb 11, 9:50 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Rapid growth in the nation's older population is likely to put huge pressure on the cost of government safety-net programs, even though the rise of immigrants is helping to increase the total of working-age people, a report said.


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When I saw this headline, images from the old movie Soylent Green (no not Soylent Dean lol) popped in my head.

Part of the housing bubble was fueled by the fact that hiring migrants and importing cheaper materials actually swelled the profit margin on new construction quite extraordinarily.  So, in addition to the profit derived from purchasing farm land cheap and getting it rezoned and divided into little lots, there was now a significant profit in the construction itself.  Wouldn't surprise me if the next hurricane in Florida takes out the McMansions, many of which may or may not be covered by insurance, depending on whether they were actually purchased.  If not, they'll just be a business loss that's greater than any money they actually expended, and give them a tax break for years to come.  It's all a scam.  You'll remember that the only houses that survived hurricane Andrew intact were the ones that were built by Habitat for Humanity to code.  Everything else new was stapled together and didn't hold.  Inspectors are easy to buy off.  And when you have work crews who don't speak good English, you can always blame them for not having done it right.

Printable version

The technicians went missing on the same day as Pakistan's ambassador to Afghanistan, Tariq Azizuddin, was reportedly abducted in the same region.

Mr Azizuddin had been going overland from the city of Peshawar to Kabul.

Pakistan's north-west has witnessed fierce fighting between Islamist militants and government troops.

The pro-Taleban guerrillas declared a unilateral ceasefire last week after months of clashes with troops garrisoned there.

The workers from Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission were on a mission to map mineral deposits in the mountains when they were kidnapped, police say.

Hey, you know, you either look after your own parents or somebody else's parents when they get old.  Or you pay somebody.  Since lots of parents haven't been very good to their children, they're probably better off being looked after by someone who's not going to be taking revenge.  Most people are not as saintly as my daughter-in-law who's taken in a mother who used to beat her when she was a child.  I expect there's some sense of wanting to prove that she can do better.  Being better than our parents is a worthwhile endeavor.

Sequence still not working.  It's like talking over your shoulder.

The workers from Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission were on a mission to map mineral deposits in the mountains when they were kidnapped, police say.

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America did a ground penetrating radar sweep of the planet and our government is in possession of the knowledge of every mineral deposit on the planet. (including Sudan's mound of gold in territorial waters)The question is whether or not the geologists in Pakistan had American maps. I should have downloaded the maps while they were available for purchase, for all I know I have a gas dome under my farm, (but since no bushco buddies have come knocking I suppose not).

re: this thread's:

One of the places the State could save money is to stop providing State Police protection in the rural areas where the citizens refuse to fund local police patrols. The majority of those in these rural areas are knee jerk conservatives who would never vote for a Democrat. In fact, they'd probably make a nice dinner for some hungry bears.

If these areas are like many VT/NY rural areas that I know, the communities are very small and cannot afford local police patrols - does that mean they should be left with no police protection for the entire community?  even 'knee jerk conservatives who would never vote for a Democrat' deserve to be protected from harm and prevented from doing harm!  and some of the more rural towns have local sheriffs who are more law-less than law-upholding - there should be someone to stay in touch with these local communities and state police are often that connection.  that was an extremely careless, divisive, prejudiced statement, imo and has no place on this blog.

7:15 AM EST

Obama loves Obama:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080212/lf_afp/usvoteobamajapan_080212065653

Obama, Japan, roots for accidental namesake

by Shaun Tandon

Tue Feb 12, 2:18 AM ET

OBAMA, Japan (AFP) - Barack Obama, who has been credited with tapping support in unlikely places, is enjoying a groundswell of enthusiasm in a small city in western Japan, which is delighted to share his name.

Obama, Japan, is rooting for candidate Obama, hoping that if he becomes the US president he will put this ancient fishing town of 32,000 people firmly on the tourist map and, just maybe, choose it for an international summit.

Supporters in Obama -- which means "small shore" in Japanese -- have held parties to watch election results, put up posters wishing the senator luck and plan a special batch of the town's "manju" sweets bearing his likeness.

"At first we were more low-key as Hillary Clinton looked to be ahead, but now we see he is getting more popular," Obama Mayor Toshio Murakami said.

"I give him an 80 percent chance of becoming president," the 75-year-old said with a proud grin.

Murakami sent a letter last year to Obama, enclosing a set of lacquer chopsticks, a famous product of this town on the Sea of Japan (East Sea) in Fukui prefecture's Wakasa region.

"I will present you the chopsticks of Wakasa paint and I am glad if you use it habitually," Murakami said in the English-language letter. "I wish you the best of health and success."

Murakami noted that Barack Obama's birthday, August 4, happens to be "Chopsticks Day" in the city.

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7:17 AM EST

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Barack-Obama-Obama/photo//080212/photos_lf_afp/ff74b67ea4670a7bcb2c22f2575a9dfd//s:/afp/20080212/lf_afp/usvoteobamajapan_080212065653;_ylt=AgBU5DpB13SaAJlFf09AnGv2_sEF

Receptionists at the Sekumiya Hotel in the city of Obama in Fukui prefecture, and her colleague show off a sign they put up wishing good luck to US presidential candidate Barack Obama at the hotel front, on February 10. Residents of the small western coastal town are cheering for Obama in his campaign to be the Democratic nominee for president.(AFP/Shaun Tandon)

 that was an extremely careless, divisive, prejudiced statement, imo and has no place on this blog.

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actually more like par for the blog when Daniel gets on a rant, Jo, but I thought the same thing, in rural areas law enforcement is part of the neighborhood network and the professionals with the best training are the State Patrol, but even our Conservation Park officer is sworn.

my road has a Patrolman, a Sheriff Deputy, and a town cop as residents so a bit of an overkill, it might be an area for a budget freeze for a state who knows?

Denise, call Lorrie Hooper directly at 703-563-1502 about a discount rate for a suite. The have 2 kinds of suites. Honeymoon Suites, which arn't really suites but have a large jacuzzi bathroom and small mini-kitchen hallway area. And Boardroom Suites, which do have a 2nd room with a conference table and mini-kitchen. Both kinds have 1 king bed. They have 10 suites in the hotel I think.

Sat. night with the winchill 30 below and cars going into the ditch every which way on the black ice the law enforcement people here all earned a months salary in one night.

7:56 AM EST

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080212/pl_bloomberg/a_ydne3gtwga_1

Obama's Students, Independents Erode Clinton's Wisconsin Base

Indira Lakshmanan Tue Feb 12, 12:05 AM ET

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Wisconsin has lots of blue-collar, older and female voters who form the backbone of Hillary Clinton's base. It also has plenty of college students, progressives and upper-income independents who favor Barack Obama.

With an earlier start and more support from the state's political establishment, including the governor, Obama may have the edge in Wisconsin's Feb. 19 contest for the Democratic presidential nomination.

``Obama's got the momentum in this state, but I never rule out a Clinton,'' said Wisconsin Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke, who supported North Carolina Senator John Edwards.

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Edwards' Backers

Cieslewicz, who had endorsed Edwards, said he believes most Edwards supporters will migrate to Obama, as some political and labor leaders already have.

Independents can vote in Wisconsin's primary, and according to exit polls from last week's Super Tuesday contests, these voters prefer Obama over Clinton by a 23-point margin. Even some Republicans said they would cross over.

``This is the first time I'll vote Democratic in my life,'' said Timothy Baldwin, 37, a Milwaukee lawyer. Four years ago, Baldwin attended the Republican National Convention; last week, he offered a nightclub he owns for a Super Tuesday party for Obama supporters.

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Congressman Dave Obey, a former Edwards loyalist who endorsed Obama last week, said his rural and blue-collar constituents in northern Wisconsin hold anti-Nafta and anti-war views that could favor Obama.

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This is great...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/020...
Hillary pledges no new scandels from Bubba.

Get real...the guy is a bomb waiting for a bimbo to explode. She has a better chance of controlling the wind then controlling Bubba.
Hillary has a lot of weaknesses but she has the added burden of lugging Bill's sorry butt around.
The thought of Bubba in the West Wing is too awful to contemplate.
So many interns, so little time.

The big weather issue in western Michigan is the lack of road salt. Yep, the winter is so bad the supplies of road salt are almost exhausted. If winter continues for another week or so then the city and country road crews can no longer treat the ice. They are mixing sand with salt to stretch it out a little.
We rarely get plowed and never see any law enforcement folks. Regardless of your politics, everyone helps out everyone else. We have lots of neighborhood get togethers as there isn't much else to do. We pretty much are divided between McCain and Obama. After a spirited discussion, we all eat.
BTW...Obama is closing fast as the "surge" is being seen for the deceitful shell game it really is.
The temp is hanging around zero with windvhill about -10 and it continues to snow. We should get about 100 inches this year.

Here comes the Clintons...the modern day Bonnie and Clyde

http://www.counterpunch.org/fleischman02...

[snip]
"Don't worry about those losers on the left," Devious Dick must have told his pal, Bill, "they're only your base. They have nowhere to go. You'll get their votes. It's those weak-kneed Republican compassionate conservatives, on the right, you have to go after." And Dick knew what he was talking about. Move to the right and call it the center. The Democratic Leadership Council was formed and they eased in on the Republicans and captured a big enough chunk of their votes to win the election.

Our two-party system became one party with two faces--neither of them very pretty. Whatever happened to the "loyal opposition"? It still is nowhere to be found. The big tent must have collapsed on it.

So we bombed a country back to the Stone Age. It was only Serbia. Maybe its leader, Slobodan Milo°evic´, deserved it. But the Serbian people didn't.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think stealing land at gun point as in the current push to recognize an independent Kosovo sets a bad precedent. 

For differences between HC and BO, check out who their foreign policy advisors are. BO has similar problems with his SS advisors as was mentioned earlier.
However, a President has more latitude with foreign policy then domestic policy.
So a vote for Hillary could be a vote for perpetual war...kind of like a McCain jr.

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940
[snip]
As a result, it may be significant that Senator Clinton’s foreign policy advisors, many of whom are veterans of her husband’s administration, were virtually all strong supporters of President George W. Bush’s call for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. By contrast, almost every one of Senator Obama’s foreign policy team was opposed to a U.S. invasion.
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On balance, it appears likely that a Hillary Clinton administration, like Bush’s, would be more likely to embrace exaggerated and alarmist reports regarding potential national security threats, to ignore international law and the advice of allies, and to launch offensive wars. By contrast, a Barack Obama administration would be more prone to examine the actual evidence of potential threats before reacting, to work more closely with America’s allies to maintain peace and security, to respect the country’s international legal obligations, and to use military force only as a last resort.

Phil,
There is a sizeable population of displaced Kosovoians in western Michigan. Talk to them and you get a different prospective. They want their own independence and their own country.

one of the comments that Bill Clinton made that most troubled me was the notion that torture might be OK and even covertly approved but if discovered the agent would be hung out to dry

there would need to be a clear line to the Hague under a War Party President, and even McCain won't go as far as Clinton

and the Geneva Conventions need to be expanded to more clearly outlaw the outsourcing and make the contractor's employer reponsible in the same way they are talking immigration violations and corporations

it is an interesting line of legal inquiry I hope they work out with Cheney on the docket some day, but it went on clear back into the eighties and has never stopped

Clinton wasn't strong enough a President to take charge or was complicit and you can bet those involved look forward to Hillary's experience in that matter

9:33 AM EST

fyi - new Front thread  (about Edwards)

 Talk to them and you get a different prospective. They want their own independence and their own country.

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The problem is that the bombing of Serbia was predicated on keeping boundries fixed in the Balkans so rather than taking sides and "liberating" Kosovo we were punishing Serbia for human rights abuses.

If Kosovo is granted independence how do you keep Turkey out of Kurdistan, bombing them?

Phil,
At the local level, the people want their own country and feel they have been wrongfully denied all these years. From a more world-view, it is unworkable because the other players will not allow it. If Kosovo becomes independent, especially with the Kurds pushing for theirs, Turkey will be hard pressed to hang together. But john-doe Kosovo could care less. They want what they say is their own country back.

I guess what I am saying is electing a President is serious stuff and the voters know it and Obama's popularity is no accidental worship of a rock star but a serious need to change direction, including difficult to discuss issues of counter-terrorism and war and peace.

But john-doe Kosovo could care less. They want what they say is their own country back

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of course this is true, but that goes back to the fourteenth century, Kurdistan to the twelfth, but drawing lines with bombers is what happened to Poland and the Luftwaffe, dangerous to unleash

and if Kosovo was seeking freedom all along the Serbs called it right and so is Turkey, maybe it is just a balancing act from the Ottoman dominoes on both ends?

are we going to be for or against the Russians in Chechnya?

Mexico's claim to the American Southwest is stronger than Kosovo from Serbia. Can't we just all get along without bombing anyone back to the stone age?

Phil,
I think Chechnya is a slightly different issue. There are a lot of factions going on. There is religious strife coupled with a mafia-like 4GW battle. The Russian military will not win this one. Russia is content to keep the lid on the violence but it will always be there. There are constant killings and disappearances in groups of one or two.
Of equal interest to me is how does France deal with it's large Islamic population which doesn't want to adopt French culture.

If I were President, my first act would be to turn over all of the Bush chicken hawks who got us into Iraq or who aided and abbetted torture, to the World Court at the Haig.

Have them all sit around a prison table, wearing their matching orange jumpsuits, eating off tin plates, and playing drop-the-soap.

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Monica Smith
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Good morning, everybody

Well, that's an unfriendly opening to this thread. It's customary to provide a salutation including Dean.

Can you actually read that, Fred ? I take it it's telling us that Obama is leading in the number of delegates. And it's a political drama. LOL
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Hello Monica, good to see you.

I am trying to learn Swedish. I have many book and software. I found a Swedish political blog,

http://www.politikerbloggen.se/

and try to translate the lines. If you think French has difficult pronunciation, Swedish makes French look easy. The spelling seldom tells you how to pronoun a word, and to make the situation even worse, there's only one little pocket dictionary, by Berlitz, that has easy-to-read phonetic pronunciation guidance for every word.

I do have a Swedish friend I can call, one of the few people I know whose house and person is not toxic for me (literally) :-)

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Phil Specht
Tue, 02/12/08

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Daniel Rooney is poisoning the well for our friend former
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If that was for me thanks. I hate to make a spectacle, but Rooney has no right, no privelege, to run down this digital neighborhood with his proverbial cockroaches.

His political philosophy, candy-coated with valid criticism, represents the mindset that ruined this country and turns good people into slaves, while glorifying the insidious oligarchy.

In defense of Corzine: his proposals for the highway tolls recognize the need to fund the real cost of a society in which everyone commutes to work in a separate car.  California has high car taxes.  Corzine is raising the tolls.  Both the same idea- the money has to come from somewhere.

New Jersey has many anti-tax crazies.  But Corzine ran on a platform of lowering propoerty taxes, and he didn't stand up to the tax crybabies.  Many people in NJ seem to think that they are automatically entitled to be able to buy a $350,000 townhome without having to pay property taxes.  The idea that such homes are really beyond the budgets of most people doesn't seem to occur.

But there is one way I have to be somewhat critical.  Corzine really hasn't showed the energy Richardson shows for attracting and creating jobs.  New Jersey has been losing jobs in the telecom sector.    Whereas Corzine is probably miles beyond Richardson in financial knowledge, Richardson works very hard to get any possible job into New Mexico.  Right after his campaign folded, Richardson officiated at the opening of a branch of a German solar energy company in New Mexico.  The solar energy industry is constantly growing in NM.  I think Corzine could be doing more to spark the economy in NJ.  New Mexico's unemployment rate went down to the 3%s while the rest of the country's unemployment was going up.