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Results are in from the Republican primary in Florida.
John McCain appears to have just barely edged out Mitt Romney in the all-important Florida GOP primary, according to projections from CNN and the Associated Press.
Right now, with just over half reporting, McCain has 36%, Romney has 31% and Rudy is bringing up third with 15%.
The scuttlebutt in GOP circles is that the McCain and Romney camps are both aggressively lobbying Rudy for his endorsement, in the expectation that Rudy will drop out soon, perhaps even tonight.
Rumors are circulating that Rudy will drop out before tomorrow night's Republican debate and endorse Sen. McCain. Thoughts?
-Ilya
Simon Rosenberg rips into Hillary big time:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1...
I apologize if someone already posted this - I'm flitting in and out with a full house right now. But, sheesh, it's a primary!! ;-)
Clinton wins Florida with 49 percent
Obama pulls in 33
Edwards pulls in 15
Top vote getter in the Republican primary was McCain at 669,288
compared to Hillary at 828,302.
Democratic votes =1,665,503
Republicans = 1,851,984
Not a bad showing considering the voters democratic choices weren't getting delegates.
Thoughts?
-Ilya
yeah, it's old news that Guiliani will endorse McCain.
It's also old news that this blog is poorly functioning.
Even so the first Dean blog was very simple, it worked a 100 times better.
So, the present blog is less progressive than the original.
Does that reflect on DFA being less progressive than the original?
Just trying to establish a mode of communication~
Oops again.
11:28 pm bfa time
Do you see Ilya how dedicated we are to make this blog work?
11:30 pm
MSNBC reported that Clinton won on mail in ballots and early voters. Obama won a majority of people who voted today
So the Clintons actually lost in the way that matters -- slowing Obama's momentum.
<>By making a big deal of FL Hillary was competing against herself -- and she lost.
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<> ROFLMAO Now THAT's desperately trying to spin.
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<>It's not spin to point out that Obama winning today's turnout vote in FL is more indicative of where things now stand than Hillary's winning the early/absentee vote.
To say a win is a win is the truly desperate spin from Camp Clinton. But it's not going to change a thing with regard to next Tuesday's primaries.Sitka - Just scouring the online news and network news - it shows a checkmark next to Clinton's name. That's enough for low info voters (like my current house guests) to assume she won.
In another racist note I read in the comments section over at Kos that Willie Brown (HRC supporter) referred to Obama's win like Jesse Jackson's. They are continuing to paint Obama as the black candidate. The utter smarminess from the Clinton campaign is staggering.
Obama/Napolitano. Say it again. Obama/Napolitano.
<>She'd be a better VP than most, but my guess is that Obama will go with someone who will lend foreign policy weight to his ticket and at the same time placate the DLC.
After the FL Primary:
Current pledged delegates:
Obama – 63 pledged delegates
Clinton – 48 pledged delegates
Edwards – 26 pledged delegates
Even my 11 year old granddaughter knows no Democrat won the FL primary - no delegates were awarded.
Sitka - Just scouring the online news and network news - it shows a checkmark next to Clinton's name. That's enough for low info voters (like my current house guests) to assume she won.
I think you missed my point. What matters is that more people turned out today for Obama. It shows that he's the one on the roll. Sure, the Clintons will lamely try to spin it as momentum for her, but, with the early/absentee votes for having been cast weeks or months ago when the camapign dynamic belonged to Hillary, they can't help but know themselves the implications that she lost this day's voting.
Even my 11 year old granddaughter knows no Democrat won the FL primary
All that matters is what it showed about where things stand now. And Obama's winning of the turnout vote is glaring.
In another racist note I read in the comments section over at Kos that Willie Brown (HRC supporter) referred to Obama's win like Jesse Jackson's.
The Clinton's do seem to bring out the worst in just about everybody.
The large Florida turnout can be attributed to a state constitutional amendment that would limit property tax increases and expand homestead exemptions.
Today marks the 40th anniversary of the Tet Offensive in South Vietnam. Tet, one of the greatest surprise attacks in military history, would prove the turning point in the Vietnam disaster that led to our first war defeat as a nation.
It must have been extremely frustrating and humiliating to witness.
I know you guys are probably all over this, but just in case...
If you haven't seen Barack's speech at American University after being endorsed by Ted Kennedy and Kennedy's speech as well, you must must must.
Get your backside over to "the you tubes" or barackobama.com and watch it.
It will make you cry in a very good way.
If the video stops, just click reload and slide the slider thingy to about where you left off.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7gF6ElJO8Kc
I'm going to go see Obama speak tomorrow.
My Ann Coulter loving boss is making me make up every single minute that I take off to go see Obama. Figures. Sour grapes. I hope she grows an adam's apple. (not really)
19.
Sitka, in Kennedy speech he rails against : "the councils (counsels)? of doubt and calculation."
He also makes a special point to say the Barack will be ready to be President on Day One. He said it with what can only be described as a <blank> eating grin.
Sitka - Where did you read/hear about Obama's turnout today? Thanks.
I just read the results. Clinton's should be worried hence the dog and pony show in Florida. Now, let's hope the major networks follow the story about what a crock her *win* is and show her lack of scruples.
Nite everybody!
9:37 PM PST
What I see now is
that McCain will play the experience card.
Now Hillary has a chance. But only against Obama.
For President, of the leading Democratic candidates, do you support?
Hillary Clinton
21%
John Edwards
48%
Barack Obama
31%
1023 votes
Poll still open at thechatanoogan.com
Suzanne, I don't see the poll but I did get to the site. What do we click on? :-)
For President, of the leading Democratic candidates, do you support?
Hillary Clinton 0%
John Edwards 0%
Barack Obama 100%
4 votes in my household
Polls are closed. In my household.
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Shouldn't it be: who do you support?
Sitka - Where did you read/hear about Obama's turnout today?
Someone cited it on the previous thread as coming from MSNBC. Then I heard it myself a little while ago. But it wasn't just ballots cast today that Obama won over the Clintons, but also ballots cast in the last month.
So even as the Clintons boast of a stunning win, they and their campaign will know the real writing on the wall.
Jon Stewart made fun of the guv of KS on his show tonight. At the end of her clip saying goodnite, he was snoring.
Perhaps HE was on Sominex. LOL
Jon Stewart made fun of the guv of KS on his show tonight. At the end of her clip saying goodnite, he was snoring.
Perhaps HE was on Sominex. LOL
Thoughts?
-Ilya
The Democratic Presidential nominee will not win in Florida. And the only way the Democrats can possibly lose the general election again "is" if Hillary becomes the nominee. But what does she really have to lose away. She'll still have her seat in the Senate. And her old senate pal McCain will be President. The Democrats will have lost their majority in Congress because the Clintons didn't help them. But perhaps that is what the Clintons want. I'm sure that is what all their corporate sponsors are betting on will happen.
36.
puddle
Wed, 01/30/08
Somebody is fibbing. Not good.
TIM,
PLEASE FIX THIS BLOG.
10.
Mondo DeLaFountaine
Tue, 01/29/08
Go Dean!
The Bush/Clinton Foreign Policy
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Super Bowl of Shame
Jamie Menutis | January 28, 2008
Foreign Policy In Focus
www.fpif.org
What’s more American than football, apple pie and Chevrolet? How about cool brand new radial tires?
That’s what Bridgestone Firestone North American Tire, LLC wants us to believe. The former American, now Japanese-owned, tire manufacturer is spending about $10 million to sponsor this year’s Super Bowl halftime show in Phoenix. It will spend that much again in 2009 for next year’s halftime show when the Super Bowl takes place in Tampa. The company would like to fill your head with images of carefree cruising along some coastline, not a trouble in sight, riding on your four new Bridgestone Tires. It’s very important to Bridgestone Firestone that you retain this image and feeling inside of you whenever you hear the name Bridgestone Firestone.
Without this advertising-inspired image, you might start to consider and care about another one. Such as a seven-year-old Liberian girl, sick from toxins, with blistered skin, her eyes unprotected from the latex she is harvesting as she laboring on the Firestone Rubber Plantation. Or perhaps, you’d worry about striking workers and their families being beaten, detained and arrested solely because they want their union elections to be recognized and to, at last, be treated with dignity.
Child Labor
For the past 82 years, the tire giant has operated the world’s largest rubber plantation in Liberia. Children have worked on Firestone’s plantation in Liberia for decades. Rubber workers and their families have lived in squalid and inhumane conditions since the plantation’s beginning. Management wrongly believed that the world wasn’t paying attention. But they were wrong. Unfortunately for Bridgestone Firestone, the company’s dirty little secret is out of the bag.
Bridgestone’s legal and public relations dilemmas are now numerous. Former child laborers used on Firestone’s rubber plantation in Liberia have joined together in a 2005 class action lawsuit filed against the company in the U.S. District Court in the Southern district of Indiana, Indianapolis division. The lawsuit remains in discovery phase. With virtually no coverage in the mainstream press, its progress is being kept largely out of the public eye. ...full article: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4925
40.
puddle
Wed, 01/30/08
It's not like we're not use to broken promises. I got all kinds of requests for $$$ from DFA HQ this week. Normally I contribute when asked but this time in decided not to because TRUST IS EARNED.
FIX THE BLOG.
3.
mary vb
Tue, 01/29/08
Reply to this
Simon Rosenberg rips into Hillary big time:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1...
Talk about a true spinmister. Simon Rosenberg is a DLC protégé of AL From's. He's an ultra hack media expert. This is just more PR for the Clintons. Get Real. Rosenberg is a NDN/DLCer. He ran against Gov. Dean for DNC Chair as "the" DLCer.
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Simon Rosenberg is President and Founder of NDN, a leading progressive think tank and advocacy organization.
Simon Rosenberg has worked in national politics and the media world for more than 20 years. He started his career in network television, as a writer and producer at ABC News for five years, before working on the Dukakis and Clinton Presidential campaigns. On the Clinton campaign, he was a member of the famous 1992 Clinton War Room. After the campaign, Simon worked at the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Leadership Council and then started what is now NDN in 1996. ...more: http://www.ndn.org/about/team/simonrosen...
29. Actually sunlight, it s/b 'whom do you support?' :-) Beaming kindness atcha, and yes, it's free!
I'll be off for a couple days...
Nite and ♥'s to all :-)
Kindness is free!
3:48 am est
Good morning, everybody at 4:51 AM EST
Nice to see Ilya here. Nice to see evidence of his promise that they do read the threads at HQ.
Ok, so the turn-out in Florida was driven by a tax measure. Whatever. Elections are about the voters. And if we don't like the Dem nominee in November, we can have a write-in.
Wonder how much consideration candidates have given to the Gore write-in campaign? Did it influence their positions on energy and atmospheric heating?
By David Abel
Globe Staff / January 30, 2008
About 40 elected officials from around the state met at Governor Deval Patrick's committee headquarters yesterday to support Senator Barack Obama's bid to win Massachusetts in next Tuesday's Democratic primaries.
The state lawmakers, city councilors, and other elected officials were joined via conference call by Senator Edward M. Kennedy and Representatives Michael E. Capuano and William Delahunt.
Patrick sought to dampen expectations about Obama's chances against his chief Democratic rival, Senator Hillary Clinton.
"Nobody is kidding anybody," Patrick said. "This will be an uphill climb for this candidate. This is an insurgent campaign in many respects. . . .
"Unless we make it personal, we will not get it over the goal line," he said. "By that, I mean, tell somebody. Tell your friends, your neighbors, your co-workers.
...
The officials who joined the governor included state Senators Dianne Wilkerson and Benjamin Downing; Representatives John Rogers, Linda Dorcena Forry, and Jamie Eldridge; and Councilors Michael Flaherty, Sam Yoon, and Charles Yancey.
It looks like the Repub nominee will be McCain.
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Progressive,
I said that over a year ago................he will win the Presidency too......only in America.
Its 6.33am Wednesday
puddle,
Good to see DFA tch support wil be hard at work to fix the problems in january...........err, it IS January ist it? Anyway this video shows them hard at work ...............
Say it with me. Obama/Napolitano. Obama/Napolitano. It's kinda soothing isn't it?
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progessive.............to me it soundsl ike some quirky ice cream you would get at Baskin Robbins...
Mike your pick-o-meter is pegging out. Pats fans better think twice about betting against the Giants
The news says that Rudy has pledged allegience to McCain.
New York's first responders will be pleased.
the good news about Mccain sewing up the Republican nomination is thaat Democrats can run against the notion of eternal war and let the nation decide the war or peace question (unless of course we nominate the Kyl-Lieberman lady).
http://www.independentvoice.org/free_details.asp?id=52
January 30, 2008
LARGEST INDEPENDENT VOTER ORGANIZATION IN CALIFORNIA ENDORSES OBAMA
LOS ANGELES – IndependentVoice.org, California’s largest organization of independent voters, has endorsed Senator Barack Obama for President in the open Democratic primary on February 5. The endorsement of the 200,000 member organization could impact significantly on the outcome of the primary, with close to 20% of Democratic primary voters expected to be decline-to-state independents.
Obama has racked up double-digit leads among independents in the Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries. In South Carolina, 23% of Democratic primary voters were independents and Obama won 42% of their vote, almost twice as many votes as received by Hillary Clinton.
Media outlets and political analysts agree that independents will determine the outcome of the California and New Jersey primaries. Fifteen out of the twenty-four Democratic Party contests on Tsunami Tuesday are “open,” allowing independents to participate.
“We are independents because we are making a statement against the insider culture, against the old political paradigm and against partisanship,” stated Jim Mangia, Chair of IndependentVoice.Org. “That is why we independents feel so close to the ideas and vision expressed by Barack Obama. He is a change agent who understands that real change, real transformation comes from the people, not the politicians!”
...
IVOICE POLL
In California, "Decline to State" independents can vote in the February 5th Democratic Presidential Primary. Which candidate would you vote for?
John Edwards 23%145Dennis Kucinich 11%68Hillary Clinton 21%131Barack Obama 45%280Mike Gravel 0%1
Phil -
It's hard to get out any GOTV here in MA, what with the Pats fever going on here. Oh well.
39. Oh, one of those pesky lawsuits!
Why do Republicans pick idiots to be leaders? Well, you don't want the guy that's going over the cliff first to be too smart, do you?
Everybody thinks he's too smart to follow. LOL
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/story/0,,2248797,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
5.15pm GMT / 12.15pm ET
Obama attracting California Republicans and independents
Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
Tuesday January 29, 2008
Guardian Unlimited
...
But the phone bank that Tarne joined is not for Mitt Romney or John McCain. Tarne is here to push the word for Barack Obama.
"I like Obama," she explains. "I understand what he's saying. I don't agree with everything he says, but I understand it."
Sitting at another table, George Kappas first noticed Obama when the senator made a powerful speech at the Democratic convention in 2004. "I've sort of kept an eye since," he says. Like Tarne, Kappas has crossed the political divide.
"I'm a lifelong Republican," he says. "I've never donated before, I've never volunteered before. I guess I'm feeling like it's kind of important. I like this guy."
At the Obama campaign's west Los Angeles headquarters, in the bohemian coastal city of Venice, volunteers tramp up the stairs, cellphones in their hands, laptops under their arms.
BJ Donovan, one of half-a-dozen full-time volunteer staff based at the office reveals that he too voted Republican in 2000 and 2004.
"Ever since, I've been independent," he says. "I think there's a huge trend moving away from identifying yourself with a party because people have seen how partisan politics doesn't work. The independents are going to carry us if we're going to win this state."
That much, at least, the pollsters and analysts would agree on.
While Hillary Clinton has a seeming lock on most of the demographic categories in delegate-rich California, the independents might be the ones to wriggle away from her grasp.
Democrats are allowing California's 3 million independent voters to take part in the state's primary, one of two dozen elections across America on next week's Super Tuesday.
In contrast, California Republicans decided to restrict their primary to voters registered as GOP supporters, thus depriving the party of the possibility of attracting swing voters to its tent, and leaving the Democrats as their only suitors.
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According to conventional wisdom, independents are expected to make up between 8-12% of Democratic primary voters in California.
But this year's Democratic primaries are proving to be far from conventional. Turnout among first-timers, independents and young voters is unprecedented, from South Carolina to Nevada. And the chief beneficiary of this surge in interest has been Obama.
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This week's endorsement of Obama by Edward Kennedy, a party grandee with a strong pro-immigrant record, may help Obama among Latinos; Kennedy will join the candidate on the campaign trail in California later this week.
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I think we need to attack HQ
It is the only way we can take back the blog for the people who built it
We need to spam HQ
We need a concerted effort to get HQ's attention
We need an agreed upon plan, folks
What will it be?
Phil Specht
Wed, 01/30/08
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Hi Phil,
The Giants are sitting pretty.........I like their chances alot. They have no pressure on them and not many are giving them a chance........this reminds me very much of the 1969 Super Bowl Jets v Colts..................Manning was brilliant tho, not guaranteing a win......
The Pats are the ones that have all the pressure on them..19-0, and against a team that played them equally i month ago, and Giants are in a great position for an upset..the Giants have had the harder games on the road and have sufocated their opppnents........dont be surprised if this is a Giants run away............I wont.
Hey folks,
We hear you. A comprehensive update of DFA's web presence is in the works and it'll include a retooled blog.
-Ilya
Let go my ego !
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Pot vending machines take root in LA
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_us/marijuana_vending_machine
[...]
"Convenient access, lower prices, safety, anonymity," inventor and owner Vincent Mehdizadeh said, extolling the benefits of the machine.
Hey folks,
We hear you. A comprehensive update of DFA's web presence is in the works and it'll include a retooled blog.
-Ilya
>
Thank you for responding, Ilya. We appreciate it ... more than HQ, apparently, knows.
But, we are still massed on the battlefront, so beware that we are reconnoitering and planning our next attack.
I am off to work.
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"I understand that you and some other members of the (Judiciary) Committee may feel that I should go further in my review, and answer questions concerning the legality of waterboarding under current law," Mukasey wrote in a three-page letter Tuesday to the panel's chairman, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. "I understand the strong interest in this question, but I do not think it would be responsible for me, as attorney general, to provide an answer."
8:28 AM EST
President Carter praises Obama:
Hi Folks,
I posted a forward from an activist last night. It turned out to be a phony linkage in the sense that the YouTube video was two years old. Someone linked it to the current stimulus package.
What may have happened is after the Supreme Court ruled on torture, Frist and another Senator tried to put a pardon in a bill for Bush and the Administration. It didn't work.
The person posting then linked that YouTube video to the current stimulus package. The reference to the November elections was to the 2006 elections.
I'm glad it happened because it makes me more cautious about checking the validity of a posting in a grassroots/activist kind of message. Anyway, it was probably the equivalent of an Urban Legend, an Internet Rumor, Blog Booboo?
Why I prefer being wrong---
Last February I wrote up a post for Bluehampshire subsequent to Obama's second appearance in New Hampshire. It contained the following paragraphs:
And one more thing. Caught on the fly by the media yesterday, Senator Obama was heard to object that the press is focusing on his swimming trunks and ignoring his policy positions. Having read the speech prepared to be delivered in Springfield, Illinois (because that's where he made his mark as a legislator and where President Lincoln started his run), I think I know why the press is ignoring it. The speech is a mess. If there were room for a kitchen sink, you couldn't find it. Even the transitions from 'I' and 'me' to 'us' and 'we' and then to 'you' and 'they' are dizzying. It's really hard to figure out who's supposed to be doing what. Certainly, there's little hint of what a President Obama, as chief administrator of an organization, is going to do to correct the corruption and mistakes that are all too obvious at present.
Along with other inspiring phrases, every school child is familiar with the Kennedy injunction to "ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." It's obviously a favorite of politicians who would prefer not to commit themselves to tasks they might not achieve. But, the way I read it is that no one should have to ask what our country can do for us; it should be obvious to anyone who has eyes to see. And the natural response to such bounty would be, of course, the impulse to give something back.
It is, I think, our great misfortune, that what our country does FOR us is no longer obvious. It is our great misfortune that most of our neighbors on the globe no longer see our country as doing anything FOR them either. And that's not going to be corrected by exhortations to the American people to have more hope. It's time to grab that bull by the horns and get him out of the china shop. So far, there's little evidence that the Senator is up to that.
So far, there's little evidence that the Senator is up to that.
It would seem, now there is. So, I was wrong, right?
If you click the link on speech, you will see that I have memorialized the Springfield speech on Hannah.
Perhaps I was doubly wrong. It seems it's the country that's grabbing the bull by the horns.
8:49 AM EST
the superdelegates list since Sun 1/27/08:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
...
1/27/08 - Added Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA) for Obama
- Added DNC June O'Neill (NY) and DNC Dave Pollak (NY) for Clinton
1/28/08 - Added Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA) and Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI) for Obama
- Added Rep. Michael Capuano (MA) for Obama
1/29/08 - Added DNC Teresa Krusor (KS) and DNC Don Beavers (AR) for Clinton
- Switched Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ) from Edwards to Obama
- Added Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius for Obama
- Added Rep. Maxine Waters (CA) for Clinton
- Added DNC Grant Burgoyne (ID) for Obama
Politics is an acquired taste. And it's not a spectator sport.
Maybe we should refer to it as "the running of the voters."
Monica wrote "It would seem, now there is. So, I was wrong, right?"
Voters have to have the wisdom to take in new information and adapt their views as conditions change on the ground.
This is to notify you that there is a new thread.
9:19 AM EST
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
...
for Obama in MA and RI
Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)
Sen. John Kerry (MA)
Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA)
Rep. William Delahunt (MA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (MA)
DNC Alan Solomont (MA)
Rep. Richard Neal (MA)
Rep. Jim McGovern (MA)
Rep. Barney Frank (MA)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA)
DNC Steven Grossman (MA)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Rep. Jim Langevin (RI)
DNC David Cicilline (RI)
DNC William Lynch (RI)
DNC Mark Weiner (RI)
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By Progressive Avenger on Jan 29, 2008 11:02 PM ESTIt looks like the Repub nominee will be McCain.
I don't think Hillary can beat him. I think only Obama/Edwards or Obama/? can beat him.
Or Gore/? or Gore/Obama
that's it.
Oh, or Obama/Napolitano.
I think Obama/Napolitano should be floated publicly to deflate Hillary's relevancy as the only possible woman who could possibly be elected into the White House. Janet would be better, though as VP. Si se puede anyone?
(Nothing against Clinton. She's a good Senator for the most part).
Say it with me. Obama/Napolitano. Obama/Napolitano. It's kinda soothing isn't it?
It reminds me of the way the Zuni god Awanawilona just seems to flow off your tongue.
Obama/Napolitano. Say it again. Obama/Napolitano.