Howard is first, along with the truly progressive democratic presidential candidate!

Senate still nattering.  I sent this to Georgia papers.

Dodd now speaking on the Senate floor.

Excitement has ratcheted up to fever pitch now that Nancy Skinner has ascended to first place in the DFA Grassroots All-Star voting, and she couldn't have done it without your generous support.

One of Governor Dean's most longstanding backers, Nancy would be the first to remind the DFA community that this work is not finished until everyone exercizes their good judgment in casting a ballot.  There is a long road ahead for this worthy candidate, seeking to throw that useless clown, Joe Knollenberg, out of office.  Then he'll have to find a real job, just like his constituents who have suffered under Bush administration economic policies that he's rubber stamped have had to. 

Don't let up!  Do your part!  Victory is at hand! Thanks.

Very nice Ann Driscoll!

Just remember...if you kick me off the blog, you'll never get a free tango lesson. LOL

Vic Wulsin is also a long time Dean backer (she loves both the Dean's)!

She has the support of Democracy for Cincinnati - we cannot wait for her to take out Mean Jean Schmidt!

Please cast a vote for Vic in Ohio's District 2 race, and for Steve Driehaus in Ohio's District 1 race (against Steve Chabot).  Help us to turn Southwest Ohio BLUE!

Lynn in Cincinnati

Grassley of Iowa voting for cloture. 

4:58 pm EST

Let's see where my post lands since bloggie is jumping around again.

Just watched Ted's and Barack's speeches... awesome! 

Thanks Sea!!

We help each other along here :) I understand your frustration with a late primary. You can still vote for JE and help with his delegate count, though, so all is not lost.

And don't leave the blog and criticize BO all you want. Just be careful about blanket statements about voters, or about his supporters. That's the rub, but all is well.

Aye votes

Roberts

Corker

Wicker

Warner

Domenici

Hagel

Inhoff

Brownback

Berasso

Hutchison

Specter voted No!

thanks, Denise.  I'm also in the process of accepting that my three favorites....Gore, Dodd and Kucinich, will not be prez.  Maybe Gore, but that's a long shot. 

However, I don't want to take out my disappointment on any bloggers here and need to take great care in my sweeping generalizations.

And, as I've said many times, I will vote for BO, should he be the nominee...with trepidation, and then will watch him carefully. 

Please just let us JE supporters state our cases w/o being jumped on.

In all fairness to the Obamaniacs, Edwardniks have been posting some really lowdown and dirty hit pieces on Obama lately. (For some reason they've been nice as hell to the Clintons and even repeat attacks and smears generated by them and their machine.) And from what I've seen, the Obamaniacs have been content to let the pro-Edwards posts pass unchallenged for the most part.

As for me, anytime anyone posts anything about any candidate that contradicts the record or the facts, I'll be all over it if I see through it.

What is wrong with the organization?

The National Organization for Women’s New York chapter issued a scathing reaction to Sen. Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton. Actually, the word “scathing” feels inadequate here.

Read for yourself:

“Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard. Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few. Women have buried their anger that his support for the compromises in No Child Left Behind and the Medicare bogus drug benefit brought us the passage of these flawed bills. We have thanked him for his ardent support of many civil rights bills, BUT women are always waiting in the wings.

“And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not “this” one). ‘They’ are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That’s Howard’s brother) who run DFA (that’s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow). They are Alternet, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com, Kucinich lovers and all the other groups that take women’s money, say they’ll do feminist and women’s rights issues one of these days, and conveniently forget to mention women and children when they talk about poverty or human needs or America’s future or whatever.

“This latest move by Kennedy, is so telling about the status of and respect for women’s rights, women’s voices, women’s equality, women’s authority and our ability – indeed, our obligation - to promote and earn and deserve and elect, unabashedly, a President that is the first woman after centuries of men who ‘know what’s best for us.’”

Off for now - have to get to our opening general session here at our national sales meeting.

We have NO bottled water, are using golf carts for local transportation instead of gasoline powered vehicles, and all of our paper is recycled. We are also using all biodegradable plates, cups, cutlery, etc.

At least this pharma company is dedicated to the environment. We so bad!

Later

According to a new poll by Zogby and Reuters, it's a statistical dead head between Hillary Clinton (39%) and Barack Obama (38%) nationally (John Edwards is far behind at 9%).

when there are two people in the race you only need 50% plus one, and can use divisive politics

when there are three people in the race you become the concensus candidate by winning a majority

John Edwards in the race is good for democracy. if Obama is going to be the next President, he has to get that majority by becoming the concensus candidate and that includes some members of NOW.

This was on TPM and now it's gone.  Nor can I find BO's whole speech...everything is about Teddie.

Well here's a test of me being able to post something BO supporters might not like.  The connection is tenous, but it's there.

************************* 

Obama: JFK Is The Reason I Stand Here Today
By Greg Sargent - January 28, 2008, 1:54PM
Barack Obama spoke right after Teddy Kennedy endorsed him today, and in his speech, the Illinois Senator skillfully drew a connection between JFK and himself with this anecdote about his Kenyan father:

excerpt from BO speech:

:I barely knew him, but when, after his death, I finally took my first trip to his tiny village in Kenya and asked my grandmother if there was anything left from him, she opened a trunk and took out a stack of letters, which she handed to me.
There were more than thirty of them, all handwritten by my father, all addressed to colleges and universities across America, all filled with the hope of a young man who dreamed of more for his life. And his prayer was answered when he was brought over to study in this country.

But what I learned much later is that part of what made it possible for him to come here was an effort by the young Senator from Massachusetts at the time, John F. Kennedy, and by a grant from the Kennedy Foundation to help Kenyan students pay for travel. So it is partly because of their generosity that my father came to this country, and because he did, I stand before you today – inspired by America’s past, filled with hope for America’s future, and determined to do my part in writing our next great chapter."

Talking Points Memo... 

Charles Chamberlain.....

I voted for Nancy Skinner, and Larry Kissel NC )his opponent HAS to go!!!) a few days ago. I thought I would add Victoria wulsin today, to make my three, but I'm not sure I succeeded. I hope I didn't erase my previous vote.

BREAKING: SITKA WRITES OFF EDWARDS

Sitka, the BFA poster who some love to hate (and others hate to love), has announced that he no longer gives a damn about John Edwards and will no longer respond to any posts about him. In a statement to fellow BFA bloggers, Sitka said, "Edwards has become so irrelevant, it's like pointing out what a phoney Joe Biden is -- who cares anymore?"

Edwards' supporters were reported to be jubilant that they can now say whatever they like without getting a response from Sitka -- until they too looked at the latest polls and reallized that Edwards really is irrelevant. 

stat man just came here to post what you just did. I really think DFA needs to address these lies from NY NOWs press release. Howard Dean at DNC refuses to endorse anyone

"He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not “this” one). ‘They’ are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That’s Howard’s brother) who run DFA (that’s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow)."

We could really bug Marcia Pappas who wrote this.

Here is the website of the NY NOW org that created that letter:
http://www.nownys. org/
including a photo of the author. Also, if you want to email her:
info@nownys. org or her direct university email:

http://www.zoominfo .com/people/ Pappas_Marcia_ 128457612. aspx

Howard Dean has been very supportive of all of the candidates, including Hillary, that grudge NOW is carrying towards DFA must have to do with the full page ad before Iowa advocating for the progressives in the race and leaving her out.

Hillary becoming the NOW candidate instead of the candidate for all Americans is like Obama becoming the black candidate.

are you sure the Obama campaign didn't release that NOW diatribe? lol

Charles Chamberlain.....

I voted for Nancy Skinner, and Larry Kissel NC )his opponent HAS to go!!!) a few days ago. I thought I would add Victoria wulsin today, to make my three, but I'm not sure I succeeded. I hope I didn't erase my previous vote.

looking at sitka's poll numbers (I thought you dismissed polling?) seashell in Oregon might well cast the deciding vote in May

5:54 pm EST  

24.

Sitka~ Since that poll is dated Jan. 21 before S.C., it should be interesting to see what it is today after S.C. and with the Kennedys' endorsements.

pretty clear from sitkas poll numbers that the nomination is in the hands of John Edwards supporters

since Edwards supporters seem to hold Obama's fate in their hands I'd be a bit more respectful than some here have been of late

5:57 pm EST 

Comments are jumping around again.

Re: NOW.  I see both points of view.  I'm also dismayed that our first chance at having a women get this far has to be HC.  NOW might be better served to question the DLC control of the party.  The party is corrupt and refuses to give up power.  That's one reason why any Kennedy endorsement makes me shiver since I've never had any illusions about Ted being a straight arrow.  Power corrupts.

If Kennedy is such a progressive, why not endorse JE?  If Ted is so concerned about the welfare of the people who are hurting and hungry and sick, why wouldn't he endorse JE, who's been talking about this?  Why would Kennedy NOT endorse the populist?

Sitka, I'll be scolling your response.  LOL 

14.

Learn something new every day. I had no idear the National Organization for Women were the founding mothers of DFA.

I hate to see this kind of rhetoric from the nation's largest women's organization. It's childish, hysterical and irrelevant -- all the qualities women have suffered as stereotype.

The Kennedys have the right to support who they please. I didn't agree with their support of Kerry but they had the right. As for Howard, he's doing an admirable job of evenhandedness and Jim certainly doesn't set the tone here. We do.

NOW needs to realize that women don't march in lockstep and be grateful that we don't.

I look forward to electing Barbara Boxer the first woman president someday soon. Meanwhile, the Clintons have had their 8 years in the sun. It's time to give someone else a chance, be it Obama or Edwards or whomever.

-- volney

Obama-Boxer '08

how much better off is this party chasing the supporters of the guy on the left who cares about left out Americans than attracting some mythical moderate republican swing voter

Phil wrote:  and thank you, Phil.

"since Edwards supporters seem to hold Obama's fate in their hands I'd be a bit more respectful than some here have been of late."

There may be a lot of JE supporters reading here who will jump to HC becuz of all the flak...or maybe they are on the fence and don't appreciate some of the dissing going on.

And I may have the deciding vote!  Nice thought!   

And let's not forget the gen'l.  It's time to think of electability.  IMO

We take a break from our regularly scheduled presidential primary discussion to bring you this important message:

Tonight is His Fraudulency's last State of the Union address. Maybe he'll talk about how badly he's screwed our states and small towns like mine over the last 7 years.

He can tell us all how his welfare-for-millionaires program looted the national treasure, forcing local governments to raise property taxes just to keep things from falling apart. Like that bridge in Minnesota.

Nah. He'll just tell us how great things are going in Iraq and how he can't wait to get Iran's nuke-u-lar weapons of.......uh.......goats.

We now return you to our arguing, still in progress.

 (Yes, there's one week to go before I can vote for John Edwards.)

From Russ Feingold.

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When the Senate voted last year to set a deadline for withdrawal of American military forces from Iraq, Council for a Livable World was a critical ally, working with Senate leaders to put an end to the tragic and misguided war in Iraq.

Almost five years into this disastrous war, President Bush, his Republican allies and Iraqi officials are talking about occupying Iraq for another decade - or even longer.

Click here to join Council for a Livable World in rejecting the permanent presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.

The American public wants the United States out of Iraq, but President Bush refuses to listen.

When asked on January 11th if the U.S. presence in Iraq would continue for another ten years, President Bush responded "It could easily be that.  Absolutely."

The Iraqi defense minister agreed a few days later, saying that Iraq would need American help to defend its own borders until at least 2018.

According to Council for a Livable World, keeping just one third of our current troop levels in Iraq through 2018 pushes the cost of the war to over $1 trillion.  And many, many more American and Iraqi lives lost.

Please join me by clicking here to support Council for a Livable World in their fight today.

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volney simmons
Mon, 01/28/08

Obama/Boxer would get three monorities covered:

-Frist African American President

- First Women Vice President

- First Jewish Vice President

Sitka
Mon, 01/28/08

I beleive the voters have written off JE not Sitka. 

Holly: the link you posted has a lot of spaces in it, causing "Not Found" errors. Here's the link cleaned up and working:

 http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Pappas_Marcia_128457612.aspx

4.

seashell,

Here's what I wrote that I assume you are referring to on the last thread #44:

sea,

That's BS! You must have had your TV on the wrong channel.

It was Ted, Caroline and Patrick who compared Obama to JFK.

 So, sea, I really don't know what you are referring to here. Your long post above citing my name is all Greek to me. Perhaps you thought I wouldn't be here to see your comment here or maybe you simply have me confused with someone else.

In any event, just wanted to clear the matter up.

Gotta hit the sack early tonight. Jim and I both are poll workers tomorrow in Florida and it's a long day at the office there. We'll stay up to watch Keith, but not the SOTUS -- we hardly need that annoyance to sleep on.

Be back Wednesday.

Actually, we could nominate Carol Mosley-Braun with Feingold also.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/28/politics/fromtheroad/entry3761066.shtml 

If HC starts to seriously decline now, it could be a nice race between BO and JE.  I don't know if JE could catch up, but

We shall see.   The important thing is to keep JE in the race, hoping to knock HC off .

Once her campaign goes in destruct mode, it's over...I hope...she may have 9 lives!  :-) 

audrey wrote "I voted for Nancy Skinner, and Larry Kissel NC (his opponent HAS to go!!!) a few days ago."

Thanks for your support.  I know Nancy appreciates it. 

"In all fairness to the Obamaniacs, Edwardniks have been posting some really lowdown and dirty hit pieces on Obama lately."

It's a good thing the reality of the blog shows quite a different tale.

How sad it's been to see the non stop attacking of Edwards. You would think he must pose a real threat for so many to resort to the demonizing attacks that we've seen them do on the Clintons as well. So much energy used to not even discuss facts or issues, but name calling and accusations.

Here if you post one real article or issue about Obama that does show him in good light, all of the sudden it's an attack.

Facts indeed have a habit of still being there when the name calling is all done.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/NY_NOW_Betrayal.html

Hi  Folks,

In the last issue of the National Education Assoication Journal there was an article about a young teacher who had completed five years of college and was $80,000 in debt.  One of the letters to the editor asked how could that happen?  And, the same writer said that he had lived on a teacher's salary and he and his wife have retired comfortably and their children have had college educations.

I have to ask why Americans are so strapped.  I know that the middle class has not had a real increase in earning, and I know that there are lots of expenses.  Maybe it is that generation X and Y didn't grow up with parents who had lived through the depression.  There was always caution, always a sense of not living beyond their means.

With advertising 24/7, the ethos that "you deserve it," easy credit, an abundance of stuff, maybe there needs to be a re-evaluation of what's going on and what individual responsibility is.

I'm wondering if that's one of the reasons John Edwards' message doesn't seem to be resonating nationally at least at this time.  Why this young woman is $80,000 in debt is a real question.  There are so many ways to get an education, and there are many ways to do it part time.  What's going on?

One of our greatest strengths has been independence and individual responsiblity.  The idea of people being victims has never appealed.  Maybe Edwards needs to go beyond that message, and I'm still wondering why he didn't help that young woman who needed a transplant.  Where is the concrete evidence of what he purports to be committed to.

Just my take.

Sitka, your rebutting of all statements that are suspect, whether they are about  McCain, and Republicans or all the Democratic candidates is valuable, not to mention clever and astute. 

~14. I wonder if the national office will publish such a nonsense piece as the NY chapter. Like volney said, 'NOW needs to realize that women don't march in lockstep and be grateful that we don't.' I don't, however, think the letter claimed to be founding mothers, just helpers. w/e. I think of myself as a feminist and would love to see a woman as president... but what's this idea that women should vote for Hillary just because she's a woman?!!! My choice is based upon other reasons. Think I'll send an email to the NY chapter to let them know Howard hasn't been connected w/ DFA for some time now and that Hillary was left out of the ad because we don't see her as a progressive.


Phil ~ thanks and I'll pass on your comment when the opportunity arises :-) Included in my thoughts behind that comment about interns was an echo of your sentiment that we are passing things along to very strong and capable young adults. Kid1 is among the many upon which we can comfortably lay our hopes.

6:40 pm est

A SHOUT OUT to MS DRISCOLL!

...who knew you had so many talents. Nice going and you look great!...I see you're still wearing your bracelet...hope your family is doing well.

Ms Driscoll has become quite an activist. I met her when she first started reporting. And met her at Paul Hacketts debate with Jean Schmidt that first shocked everyone with his slam dunk and the reality the Dem's could win District 2, that for decades before had gone to Republicans.

Good luck!

Linda wrote "Facts indeed have a habit of still being there when the name calling is all done."

Thankfully.

And as much as people don't want to discuss the Rezko story, how the truths of this story have not been made, and it is going on at this time, not in the past. The Chicago Sun Times pleaded with Obama this weekend to come clean on his relationship now. Not because it's past, because it is happending now.

And very much so as Rezko was arrested today.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/28/r...

54 Tom, couldn't agree more.

volney wrote "Learn something new every day."

This place is a font of knowledge.  Linda explained the other day that Sen. Feingold belongs to the Senate's Old Boy's Club and wears rose colored glasses.

Tom, if you were unaware to Senator Feingold....uckm...is in the US Senate....I'm so happy I could share some news with you.

~51. Oh Pat, lots of my kids friends went/are going through school on loans. It can happen very easily, so many factors come into play. Maybe the parents were in a position to pay when the girl enrolled and then got laid off at a point it was too late to transfer so loans became necessary. Maybe she was among the many - many- who don't qualify for financial aid other than loans (and she was lucky to qualify for those!) Maybe she's a kid who's parents refused to pay anything at all and she wanted to finish in 4 years so she could start teaching and earning to pay off the loans rather than work minimum wage jobs while going to school part-time. Also, going part-time necessitates living near a campus which may not have been doable on said minimum wage job. I could maybe this all night ~ college is expensive. Could she have gone to a less costly school? Maybe, but maybe she attended a school where her chances of getting a better job warranted the added cost. ... ... ...

Linda wrote "people don't want to discuss the Rezko story, . . ."

Just curious, but I thought I saw it discussed.  Anyway as much as people don't want to discuss the Murdoch story, this is excerpted from the Washington Post last August:

"Former senator John Edwards, who has been throwing punches at Rupert Murdoch and his Fox News Channel, demanded yesterday that the other Democratic presidential candidates return contributions from Murdoch's media conglomerate.

"'John Edwards will never ask Rupert Murdoch for money -- he won't accept his money,' said a statement e-mailed to supporters.

"Not so fast, Murdoch's people say. His publishing unit, HarperCollins, paid Edwards a $500,000 advance -- and $300,000 in expenses -- for his 2006 book 'Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives.'

"'We assume the senator is going to give back the money from his advance,' News Corp. spokesman Brian Lewis said."

Missing link to story above.

Linda wrote "Tom, if you were unaware to Senator Feingold....uckm...is in the US Senate....I'm so happy I could share some news with you."

No, actually, word of his election had leaked out.

Hi Thankful,

Yes, I can see that it could easily happen.  But, it is overwhelming having that much debt.  I wonder how many are in the same situation?  

I think a lot of the responsibility goes to the colleges and universities who are linked with lenders and the interest rates are exorbitant.  Frankly, it feels cannabalistic to do that to our children.  What ever happened to the idea that we supported  our children, and I don't mean parents necessarily paying for college.  Lots of parents can't and couldn't, but we found ways to do it because we knew that if we ever hoped to have any choice in how we supported ourselves, we needed education and training.

Have to get off now as husband is downloading big file.

From BO's own words.  It's clear he's comparing himself to JFK, which is a bit arrogant IMO.  Also, not smart since we all know what happened to JFK.  I wish he'd tone himself down and be a bit less an orator and stop comparing himself to past presidents and famous families.  I'm afraid it'll come back and bite him in the tushy.

And....when it comes to who might be better in crisis, HC does have him beaten.  He's good, but too green...untested.

The best in crisis IMO would be JE.  The crisis of a wife with her diagnosis is no small roadblock.   It sure opened HIS eyes.

I forgot the quote from his speech.  This is for the blogger who claims he never drew any comparisons bet. JFK and himself.  Just to set the record straight.

"Today isn’t just about politics for me. It’s personal. I was too young to remember John Kennedy and I was just a child when Robert Kennedy ran for President. But in the stories I heard growing up, I saw how my grandparents and mother spoke about them, and about that period in our nation’s life – as a time of great hope and achievement. And I think my own sense of what’s possible in this country comes in part from what they said America was like in the days of John and Robert Kennedy.


And it lives on in those Americans – young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian – who are tired of a politics that divides us and want to recapture the sense of common purpose that we had when John Kennedy was President.

That is the dream ("I have a dream") we hold in our hearts. That is the kind of leadership we need in this country. And that is the kind of leadership I intend to offer as President.

Edwards' Feb 5 Ad buy

From NBC's Victoria Riess
In a confrence call today, the Edwards campaign announced an "aggressive media buy" in ten states over the next 48 hours, which it plans to expand as February 5th approaches. According to the campaign, the ad buys will give the public more exposure to Edwards' message and help him win support because, "as we saw in South Carolina, once people have a chance to hear directly from John Edwards, the numbers move."

The campaign added that fundraising is booming, totalling almost $4 million dollars even before Federal Matching Funds took effect. The campaign noted that the most significant trend in an increase in fundraising came from long-time online supporters who made first-time contributions.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2...

~62. Pat :-) I think not so much the universities being linked w/ lenders but that it got to be a that high cost school became tantamount to being a prestigious school. The whole college 'ratings' game is partially based on the number applying to the number admitted ratio ~ schools deemed 'prestigious' get more apps. That said, in the vein that life isn't binary, costs for maintaining campuses as well as new construction for buildings on campus skyrocketed. Long story short ~ there are lots and lots of kids coming out of college w/ huge debt. And as life would have it, there are no simple answers.

7:35 pm est

LOL....seashell, now EVERYONE is copying John Edwards' "this is personal to me".

First Hillary decided she liked that and started using it, now Obama does.


What did he say "copying is the highest form of flattery"? LOL

http://blogforamerica.com/view/23713#comments

new thread, y'all. 

Our informed citizenry is amazing.

WAKE UP....and REMEMBER, drink plenty of water to flush out the Koolaid.

UUGGGHHHH....it's happening......



Poll: McCain springs ahead in California
Story Highlights
John McCain has 13-point lead over Mitt Romney in California, poll find
Arizona Republican has jumped 19 percentage points since last poll
McCain's increase support primarily from liberals, moderates




By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director




(CNN) -- A new survey indicates that presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has made dramatic gains with California Republicans.

Sen. John McCain is leading in California, according to a CNN poll out Monday.

The Arizona senator is 13 points ahead of his closest rival in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Monday: Thirty-nine percent of likely California Republican primary voters back McCain, while 26 percent support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/28/c...

President Worstever said tonight that patients should make decisions with their physicians in the Doctors office, not in the halls of Congress.

Breaking news...Does this mean he is giving up the quest to conquer the uterus? lol

Is someone counting the lies in this speech?

I see it as a positive development...If one assumes, as polls indicate, that Hillary is the second choice of very few people who are not already voting for her, then most of Edwards' votes go to Obama. 

 With that, Hillary would definitely lead the pack.  So now we have a bone fide showdown....with the possibility of Edwards as a running mate....with either one.