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We compiled specific information about some of the plans our Democratic front-runners have taken stands on. Links to their websites are provided if you would like to get more complete information. Information was gleaned form a variety of sources to identify specifics of their plans as opposed to broad outlines. Because of the volume of research to be sifted through, we only focused on the top 3 candidates. The candidates support many similar proposals, but we selected items where candidates seemed to differ in priority and scope…we hope you find it useful.
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Economy
-Tax credit (cut) of $500 on first $8,000 of income
-Elimination of taxes on seniors with income less than $50,000
-Eliminate capital gains taxes on start-up businesses
-Close tax loopholes for offshore tax havens and enforce tax penalties
-Increase federal investments into transitional jobs
-Raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit
-Provide specific tax assistance and loan guarantees to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient cars and trucks are build in the U.S. with American workers.
-Expand the Small Business Administration's loan and micro-loan programs which provide start-up and long-term financing that small firms cannot receive through normal channels.
-Supports a trade policy that ensures our goods and services are treated fairly in foreign
markets and promote improved labor and environmental practices
-Reach out to China, EU, and other nations to help rebalance the US trade deficit
-Extend the middle class tax cuts including child tax credit and marriage penalty relief, offering new tax cuts for healthcare, college and retirement, and expanding the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) and the childcare tax credit.
-Support a $50 billion Strategic Energy Fund and doubling investment in basic energy research to transform our economy from carbon-based to clean and energy efficient.
-Catalyze a thriving green building industry by investing in green collar jobs
-Pass the Employee Free Choice Act so that unions can organize for fair wages and safe working conditions.
-Double funding for (Trade Adjustment Assistance)TAA’s job training program to $440 million. (TAA provides job training, income support, and job placement assistance to those whose jobs have left the country)
-Develop a set of budget rules similar to those we had in the 90s which required us to fund new expenditures with new revenues or cuts in other areas.
-Double the Technology Innovation Program (TIP) in partnership with private sector to reward high-risk high reward R&D projects for small and medium size companies.
-Appoint a trade enforcement officer within the office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) and double the size of USTR’s enforcement unit.
-Cutting 500,000 government contractors and ending abuse of no-bid government contracts and posting all contracts online.
-Reform the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) –(no specific plan found)
-Raise the minimum wage to at least $9.50 an hour by 2012 and then indexing it.
-Triple the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for adults without children and cutting the EITC marriage penalty.
-Supports the Employee Free Choice Act to give workers a choice in whether to form a union without intimidation.
-Create a new Labor taskforce to target the industries with the worst abuses of minimum wage and overtime laws.
-Repeal the Bush tax cuts for the highest-income households and keep the tax on very large estates (above $4 million for couples).
-Close tax loopholes for offshore tax havens, hedge funds, and unlimited executive pensions.
-Raise the tax rate on capital gains from 15% to 28%
-Make sure any new trade agreements include strong labor and environmental standards and will vigorously enforce American workers' rights in existing agreements.
-Create Work Bonds, a new tax credit of up to $500, would help low and moderate-income, working Americans save for the future.
- On issues such as trade, climate change, and human rights, negotiate with China to commit to the rules that govern the conduct of nations.
Environment
-Cap-and-trade system (caps allowable pollutants (measured in credits) from a company and mandates if that cap is surpassed, they must buy the right to pollute more from another company that is under the pollutant cap—monetarily penalizes polluter, rewards non-polluter) that requires all pollution credits to be auctioned.
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-Proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program will be invested in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production.
-Invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure.
-Double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
-Invest $50Billion to create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development.
-Establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources.
-Double fuel economy standards within 18 years.
-Re-Engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change.
-Reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030.
-Invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid.
-Cap-and-trade program that auctions 100 percent of permits (credits)
-Invest $50 Billion to create Strategic Energy Fund, paid for in part by oil companies, to fund investments in alternative energy.
-Increase fuel efficiency standards to 55 miles per gallon by 2030.
-Create a new "Connie Mae" program to make it easier for low and middle-income Americans to buy green homes and invest in green home improvements.
-A requirement that all federal buildings designed after January 20, 2009 will be zero emissions buildings.
-Reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent from 1990 levels by 2050
-Double federal investment in basic energy research, including funding for an ARPA-E, a new research agency modeled on the successful Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
-Invest $20 Billion in "Green Vehicle Bonds" for U.S. automakers to retool their plants to meet the standards new standards.
-Require that all publicly traded companies report financial risks due to climate change in annual reports filed with the SEC.
-Creation of a "National Energy Council" within the White House to ensure implementation of the energy and environmental plan across the Executive Branch.
-Cap and trade system mandating 80% greenhouse gas reduction by 2050.
-Create the New Energy Economy Fund by auctioning off $10 billion in greenhouse pollution permits to support U.S. research and development in energy technology, help entrepreneurs start new businesses, invest in new carbon-capture and efficient automobile technology and help Americans conserve energy.
-Lead the world to a new climate treaty that commits other countries—including developing nations—to reduce their pollution.
-Offer to share new clean energy technology and, if necessary, using trade agreements to require binding greenhouse reductions.
-Repeal subsidies for big oil companies.
-Create a new energy economy and 1 million new jobs by investing in clean, renewable energy.
-Mandate 65 billion gallons (25% of our energy) of ethanol and other biofuel production a year by 2025.
-Double the Department of Energy research budget, to reduce the cost and accelerate the marketability of current technologies to put clean solar, wind, and biomass into more communities.
-Invest $1 billion a year to research ways to burn coal cleanly and recycle its carbon underground permanently.
-Provide $1 billion a year to help U.S. automakers advance and apply the latest technology, including biofuels, hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric cars, hydrogen fuel cells, ultra-light materials, and drive train improvements.
Health Care
-Create a new national health plan for all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress (FEHBP).
-Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
- Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
-Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
-Creation of a National Health Insurance Exchange to act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible.
-Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan.
-Require that all children have health care coverage.
-Health plans will be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.
-Provide rewards for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures as opposed to volume of services.
-Repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies and allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe.
-Americans can keep their existing private coverage or buy FEHBP.
-Mandate that no American is denied coverage, refused renewal, unfairly priced out of the market, or forced to pay excessive insurance company premiums.
-Mandate that insurance companies cannot deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions or expectations of illness.
-Large employers will be ‘expected’ to provide health insurance or contribute to the cost of coverage.
-Small businesses will receive a tax credit to continue or begin to offer coverage.
-Working families will receive a refundable tax credit, designed to prevent premiums from exceeding a percentage of family income, to help them afford high-quality health coverage.
-A new tax credit for qualifying private and public retiree health plans to offset a significant portion of catastrophic expenditures.
-A net tax cut for American taxpayers through anew tax credit to make premiums affordable.
-Create a level-playing field of insurance rules across states and markets.
-Protect the current exclusion from taxes of employer-provided health premiums, but limits the exclusion for the high-end portion of very generous plans for those making over $250,000.
Edwards
-Require businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
-Create regional Health Care Markets: non-profit purchasing pools that offer a choice of competing insurance plans.
-Create a new tax credit to subsidize insurance purchased through Health Care Markets.
-Edwards will require insurers to keep plans open to everyone and charge fair premiums, regardless of preexisting conditions, medical history, age, job, and other characteristics.
-Establish a non-profit or public organization – possibly within the Institute of Medicine --Research the best methods of providing care, drawing upon data from Medicare and the Health Care Markets and medical experts.
-Develop partnerships among academic medical centers, Medicare, and other federal agencies to make sure high-quality medicine is practiced everywhere.
-Establish public-private collaborations to reorganize patient care, improve internal communications, reduce errors through electronic prescribing, and establish basic quality benchmarks.
-Create a "Consumer Reports" for health care, a universal and easy-to-use report card to help Americans evaluate hospitals' effectiveness in treating injuries and diseases.
-Restrict direct-to-consumer advertising for new drugs to ensure that consumers are not misled about the potential dangers of newly marketed drugs
National Security/Foreign Policy
-Remove 1–2 combat brigades from Iraq every month until they are all out within 16 months.
-Launch an aggressive diplomatic effort to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East.—the aim of the compact will be to secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq's sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq's reconstruction.
-Conduct direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, he will step up economic pressure and political isolation of Iran.
-Make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
-Obama will negotiate a verifiable global ban on the production of new nuclear weapons material to deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear materials.
-Stop the development of new nuclear weapons; work with Russia to take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair trigger alert; seek dramatic reductions in U.S. and Russian stockpiles of nuclear weapons and material; and set a goal to expand the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate- range missiles so that the agreement is global.
-Give our troops new equipment, armor, training, and skills--increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines.
-Require chemical facilities to enhance security, including improving barriers, containment, mitigation, and safety training, and, where possible, using safer technology, such as less toxic chemicals.
-Establish guidelines for tracking, controlling, and accounting for spent fuel at nuclear power plants.
-Push legislation to legislation to provide $37.5 million over 5 years for drinking water systems to upgrade their monitoring and security efforts.
-Will direct the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of Defense and her National Security Council to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home.
-Appoint of a high level U.N. representative to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq and work to convince Iraq's neighbors to refrain from getting involved in the civil war.
-Convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq.
-Fight for Israel's right to exist peacefully and to defend its people against terrorism.
-Create a policy of diplomacy backed by economic pressure to check Iran’s efforts to acquire a nuclear weapons program and stop its support of terrorism.
-Will support deploying new technology that can help stop the flow of undocumented immigrants into the country.
-Opposes the creation of permanent bases in Iraq.
-Create global coalitions to tackle global problems like climate change, poverty, AIDS, and terrorism.
-Start engaging our enemies with diplomacy.
-Put forth an aggressive plan to support public schools in developing countries in an effort to achieve universal primary education
-Immediately draw down 40,000 to 50,000 combat troops and completely withdraw all combat troops from Iraq within nine to ten months.
-Prohibit permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq.
-Retain sufficient forces in Quick Reaction Forces located outside Iraq, in friendly countries like Kuwait, to prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven, a genocide, or regional spillover of a civil war.
-Ignite diplomatic efforts by engaging in direct talks with all the nations in the region, including Iran and Syria, to bring a political solution to the sectarian violence inside Iraq, including through a peace conference.
-Negotiate with Iranian leaders who have met a number of criteria, such as recognition of the international rule of law, recognition of the rights of Jews and the state of Israel, and a commitment to the promise of diplomacy.
-Take steps to expose Iran to democratic culture and ideas and will use diplomacy to separate extremists from leaders more inclined to stabilize Iran's relations with the world.
-Pursue a new course of targeted sanctions toward Iran, American companies and foreign companies to deter them from helping to pursue a nuclear program.
-Reach out to China and Russia to work on reaching their economic objectives through alternatives that do not assist Iran's military nuclear capability.
-Root out and shut down terrorist cells in particular regions and countries by enacting a comprehensive strategy to ensure that intelligence is used to root out and shut down the scourge of terrorism and to unite the world against violent extremism.
-Use our aid agencies to help Pakistan develop strong educational alternatives to the madrassas that are radicalizing Pakistani youth.
Government Accountability/Corporate Responsibility
-Reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules, which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
-Create a centralized Internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records, and campaign finance filings in a searchable, sortable and downloadable format.
-Fight for an independent watchdog agency to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations.
-Promote public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests.
-Create a "contracts and influence" database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them.
-Ensure that any tax breaks for corporate recipients — or tax earmarks — are also publicly available on the Internet in an easily searchable format.
-Require that nearly all contract orders over $25,000 be competitively awarded.
-Will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.
-Will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.
-Require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.
-Re-propose the Count Every Vote Act (CEVA), which promotes the accuracy, integrity, and security of the election process by requiring the preservation of a voter-verified paper ballot that serves as the official record of any recount and random mandatory audit.
-Rebuild the Department of Justice's traditional role in defending civil rights and the rule of law, and review charges of improper, politically motivated hiring.
-Permanently ban all Cabinet officials from lobbying her Administration once they’ve left office.
-Extend the whistleblower shield to all government employees and contractors so they can defend themselves when they speak out in the public interest.
-Restore the practice of competitive bidding except in times of national emergency, ending the abuse of no-bid contracts; and will post every contract online, inviting interested citizens to scrutinize the details and hold their government accountable.
-Through an Executive Order cut the number of contractors working for the federal government by 500,000 over the next ten years.
-Require all government agencies to publish all budget justification documents online within 48 hours of delivering those documents to Congress, except those that raise national security concerns.
-Create a new Results America Initiative, modernizing data collection to address critical gaps in our knowledge and making the findings available on the web so that citizens can get real-time information on a host of issues, from their local air quality to traffic flow to the conditions of critical infrastructure, such as roads and bridges and the electrical grid.
-Create a Corporate Subsidy Information Service (CSIS) that will identify recipients of corporate subsidies – who gets how much – and evaluate the effectiveness of these subsidies in promoting growth and opportunity.
-Will ban political appointees from altering or removing scientific conclusions in government publications without any legitimate basis for doing so, and prohibit unwarranted suppression of public statements by government scientists.
-Require the use of paper ballots verified by voters. Voting machines will ensure access for people with disabilities and foreign-language speakers, use transparent and publicly accountable open-source software, and be verified by mandatory audits.
-Require Election Day registration for federal elections and encourage states to offer no-excuse absentee voting.
-Establish a Department of Justice task force to investigate patterns of dirty election tricks nationwide.
-Strengthen rules against highly concentrated media ownership and define robust public interest obligations for digital broadcasters.
-Create a new Grassroots Presidential Financing System to empower regular Americans in a potentially universal public financing system that matches small contribution at a rate of 8 to 1 ($100=$900), and reduce maximum contributions to $1,000 with a smaller match ($1,000=$1,800).
-Public financing for Congressional Candidates who raise a certain number of $5 contributions will receive equal public financing and airtime, while additional "fair fight" funds will help candidates facing self-financed campaigns and independent expenditures.
-Require corporations to disclose all political spending and activity including ‘anonymous’ donations to 527 groups, politically active trade associations, state and local candidates, and state parties.
-Prohibit all federal candidates from accepting campaign contributions from federal lobbyists.
-Require lobbyists to disclose within 48 hours which federal office candidates, members, staff and executive officials they met with, which legislative or regulatory items they discussed, and any contributions made or raised for that official.
-Mandate that lobbyists disclose prior employment by the government or a contractor and any close relationship to a current member of Congress, staff member, or executive branch employee.
Florida DFA has not endorsed any candidate for the 2008 Presidential election. The information contained herein is meant to provide a clear idea of some of the specific policies that the leading Democratic candidates intend to pursue, once elected. Links have been provided to each of the candidate websites, where the bulk of the information contained within was originated. For further information on policies the candidates intend to pursue, please visit their websites.
No they all don't suck. Edwards plan requires that a single payer plan like Medicare be one of the options. This is very clever, it forces the for profit insurence to compete with a single payer plan. Clearly this will expand into Universal single payer coverage for most Americans.
Robert Zannelli
Mon, 01/21/08
Actually, he calls it a Single Payer plan, but does this sound like a Single Payer plan to you?:
-Require businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
-Create regional Health Care Markets: non-profit purchasing pools that offer a choice of competing insurance plans.
-Create a new tax credit to subsidize insurance purchased through Health Care Markets.
-Edwards will require insurers to keep plans open to everyone and charge fair premiums, regardless of preexisting conditions, medical history, age, job, and other characteristics.
----------------to me it sounds like lower insurance premiums by subsidizing us with our own tax dollars------I do like this last provision, though
None of them offer a true Single-Payer plan, so no matter who is elected, we still have work to do.
no matter who is elected, we still have work to do
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That has been the one constant of American History.
I thought this dfa group wanted a progressive for president. aren't too many left.
don't be fickle
I thought this dfa group wanted a progressive for president. aren't too many left.
don't be fickle
In that case, I recommend Kucinich.
A lot of work did go in to this thread, but Dave, can you edit it to correct the Environment section where John Edwards has stated NO NUCLEAR PlANTS be built, especially important when a canidate considers that a clean energy source to invest in.
AND, a moratorium on Coal Fired Plants, until a successful plan to capture and sequester carbon has been achieved.
PLEASE...I KNOW YOU'RE READING....THANK YOU. :)
Verrrry interesting article comparing Barack and Hillary, puts things into perspective. BTW, please read the entire article; what I have posted here is just the tip of the iceberg.
"INSTEAD OF COMPARING Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's experience -- a vague set of claims -- I turned my attention toward accomplishments. Not what they've accomplished for themselves, but what they've accomplished for others.
In doing so, I excluded purely personal gains. I also eliminated all distinctions or honors. For similar reasons, I ignored the elections they've won. These credentials are well-known.
Also, like any alert prospective employer, I am informed by what they support, worked on, worked toward and fought for, but I am more interested in what they have accomplished for their constituents..."
Gad Zooks! Long way down to the comments section!
Here's an exchange Obama had with Robin Roberts re Bill Clinton:
Robin Roberts: In a "Newsweek" article that's coming out, prominent democrats are saying what he's doing is inappropriate. An inappropriate role for a former President to take such an aggressive role. Do you think it's inappropriate the role he's taken?Obama: I completely understand him wanting to promote his wife's candidacy. And you know, Michelle is out there doing the same thing on my behalf. I do think that there -- there should be some standards of honesty in any political discourse. That’s part of the change that I want to bring about. You know, if you have something that just directly contradicts the facts and it's coming from a former president, I think that's a problem because people presume that a former president is going to have more credibility. And I think there's certain responsibilities that are carried with that.
. . .The Obama camp knows it has a formidable foe in the former president who left office with high approval ratings and is still adored by many Democrats.
But if the former president has a weakness in the area of public perception about him, it's his honesty, a self-inflicted wound if ever there were one.
So Obama not only defends himself, which all candidates being attacked must do, but he also taps into the widespread perception that former President Bill Clinton views truth as largely plastic, like the meaning of "is."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_nicely_accuses_president.html
I heard one of the TV wags say after the NV result that Obama was going to have to directly challenge Hillary's attack dog Bill. It looks like Obama agrees and a pundit was right for once.
Tom if you're still here - Rev. Daniel Berrigan is on CSPAN at the moment. Good to see his and his brother's name in print this morning.
Hello from Costa Rica,
Partly sunny and 82, and the only news I´mpaying attention to is that the New York Football Giants are returning to the Super Bowl.
I´ll check in as I have a chance.
JE and HC want to fight for Israel's right to exist ---same old same old. BO would like to see an I/P two state solution. Same old same old.
All AIPAC kissers. But we knew that.
Al must be biting his tongue reading about their environmental solutions.. this *I can pollute more if you pollute less* thing is horrendous. Tax the polluters, period.
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This was from Linda SF several thread back and was way at the end. Worth a re-post IMO.
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You know, no doubt this will upset supporters, but on the ISSUES, Hillary IS more progressive than Barack.
When they both had a vote.
Lets just toss out the war votes, because they are the same.
On the Cheney Energy bill (Nukes and Oil giveaways),
Clinton NO
Obama YES
on Bankruptcy Amendment to limit interest rates to a max 30 pct.
Clinton YES
Obama NO
On Lobbyist pushed Liquified Coal Bill, 2nd one for Obama
Obama YES
Clinton NO
on their proposals for Presidency, on a full range, Hillary's policies are more progressive and Obama's are more Conservative.
...from economic policy, to Health Care. Hillary's covers all, Obama's is not Universal and with that, it will also not help bring down costs.
These are the facts.
A Clinton or Bush in the WH and a Manning in the SB. All is normal.
All I want is a Progressive (this excludes Clinton) Democrat who inspires me and other voters and who can win in the General Election.
Policies, issues, etc. are seldom what we see after all is said and done. All the Dem candidates' policies agree with each other in one way or another and are all pretty good. But in the end all of them will be probably much different when passed by Congress, even encompassing dozens of amendments.
Exception to the above: the the Republican majority Congress and a Republican in the WH, all with a horrible agenda of their own, none of which we were clued in about during the general election.
Hi Rich - nice place to be, Costa Rica.
Enjoy the coffee, if you're one to imbibe.
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Helloooooo rich,
Costa Rica, wow. We spent a couple weeks there in that beautiful country a few years ago.
The waterfalls, the volcanoes, mountains, black beachs, wild Macaws and monkeys, humingbirds, ignuanas, wilderness with huge trees, and a very friendly bunch of native people make this a must-see place to visit.
Oh yes, and fried plantains, rice and beans every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner as side dishes. Delicious!
Denise wrote "Tom if you're still here - Rev. Daniel Berrigan is on CSPAN at the moment."
I'm streaming it now. What a startling coincidence. Thanks.
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Thanks rd for posting. It is time someone took Slick Willy to task. I am sick of his lies.
I watched a rerun of Barack's speech at Dr. King's Church. I was one of those with tears in their eyes.
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I have to say certain posters here are really muddying up Howard Deans message.
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rae hart -
One thing that I agree with seashell on is this --
Dean's downfall in the last election was IMO like gold to the Clinton (ie. remember the Clintons' backing of Wes Clark). It made it much easier for Hillary to run in 2008.
In the Howard legacy, I'm fighting back at the Clintons.
Electability is certainly becoming an issue, along with sex and race.
Perhaps NV taught the voters that a 2 way race is not all that desirable after all, since now the conversation is turning towards the truth about sexism and racism being alive and well. Dems need to pay close attention now.
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Quick chime in on political speeches in churches. They don't belong there..we are slowly breaking down the separation of church an state. Dems need to stay outta churches for political gain. The fundis are already doing that and whereas they had a toehold in gov't before 2000, they are now way too powerful.
Good for JE. BO is quite an opportunist. Speaks well but it doesn't get to my heart. Should be VP or in the cabinet. And for god's sake, stay outta churches with politics. Dems are starting to pander to the RR nutjobs.
JE - class all the way, and he has obviously read the Constitution.
rdorgan: I have changed my mind about a fix. in. ticket of HC/BO. For HC, yes, the fix is in and only JC can stop it IMO. But now that BO is doing quite well on his own, I doubt she'd want him. But ya never know about that political expediency thing. I think HC is clever enuf to know that the country won't be pleased with two change agents all at once. Maybe even one is too many.
I grew up in the 23rd ward of Chicago, which borders industrial burb Bedford Park, as well as Stickney, aka Stinkney due to the sewage treatment plants that lined (and still do) the man-made Sanitary & Ship Canal. The odors still haunt me, and I'm "treated" to them whenever I go back for a visit. CPC Intl, the folks who bring us Argo corn starch - Argo being an area in the suburb of Summit - and that smell has come to be known as Evening in Argo. Local joke but a stomach turner, nonetheless.
Our parish priest at the time, Father Leonard Dubi, started CAP - Campaign Against Pollution - back in the 70's and he was a formidable foe to the surrounding industrial polluters. But he and the group, which consisted of local politicians as well as concerned citizens and students, turned the black smoke into white.
I'm comfortable with any clergy being activists on the political scene - whether it is Rev Dr. Martin Luther King or a pair of Irish Jesuit priests - and a Polish one with a funny name such as Dubi (an easy target in the cannabis haze that was part of the times as well).
Carrying over a conversation of what our fathers did.
My father was one of the first to NOT work in the Mills. My Grandfathers and my Uncles worked in the Steel Mills. But I guess having his older brother fall in to a galvanized Tank, where he lost fingers, toes and had countless skin grafts, where he remained in the hospital for a year, probably made him think twice.
I think my father was the first in the family to be a sales man. Flagg Bros, we used to think that was bras. LOL Also explains all the girls having a shoe fettish.
Then moving to Florida, my father always wanted to work for the airlines, as his 2 other brothers in Florida did. He never got in, but worked his entire time building engines and the like for a company in Miami.
My father finally got hired by Eastern Airlines, just two months before the Union struck. My father spent his time picketing. He then went back to where he used to work for much less money. So, I guess he ended up working in the factory anyhow.
Bill Clinton says "facts are facts"
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some "facts" about Bill:
"I did not have sexual affairs with that woman"
"I never inhaled"
"I had nothing to do with that lawsuit"
JE - class all the way, and he has obviously read the Constitution
Too bad he didn't read the Patriot Act before going along with it. Has he apologized for that too?
I really don't like this mindless subservience to organized religion...and the power brokers who foster and encourage it.
No, I'm not gonna get started. bbl
Carrying over a conversation of what our fathers did.
The only reason I told what my parents did for a living was to point out that my credentials to be president in that regard are even better than Edwards' since I'm the son of a mill worker, a teacher, and grandson of a sharecropper.
Tom Bearse
Mon, 01/21/08
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rd wrote "Tom - I didn't know that you're dead? Are you speaking from the grave?"
We love you rd, but your jokes are really awful.
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Tom -
Thanks for the compliments.
Well, that's what I use on anyone who's told me I'm dead wrong. They usually use some other adjective later on to describe the same thing.
Yeah if you're dead, how can one be wrong?
I've often wondered about that phrase, too. Just a comment on the English language and nothing more.
Hey today we had snowfall on some of the peaks in San Jose and Mt. Tamalpaias, and we also had a humonguous rainbow that could be seen from San Franciscso south about 25 miles. It was radiant!
51 degrees, icky rain
seashell wrote "Dems need to stay outta churches for political gain."
Tucker Carlson shares this view with you. Also, most Republican office seekers, since they rarely step foot into church to address congregations. Like Reagan, they are cynical actors in the role of pious Christians.
Your complaint is with Democrats such as Carter, Jackson, Clinton, Gore, Edwards and Kerry. Democrats have long been involved in reaching out to this community. In 1960, the Kennedy campaign distributed two million pamphlets at African American churches on the Sunday before the election.
well, I'm glad Ted Kennedy is sticking up for Barack Obama against big dog (who let the dogs out !) Bill Clinton's "facts are facts"
I'm off to watch Oprah
Excellent video, John Edwards speaking to a crowd in Oklohoma, enjoy.
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title...
Sitka wrote: The only reason I told what my parents did for a living was to point out that my credentials to be president in that regard are even better than Edwards' since I'm the son of a mill worker...
I see.
If indeed that was all that was required to run for President.
I'm areligious, but don't care if politicians go into church's since that's where people are. As for what gets said from a pulpit, I think talking politics is always better than talking religion -- and the less they're mingled, the better.
And, John Edwards Economic Stimulus package actually included Green technology.
invest in clean and sustainable energy sources, and take aim at global warming -- all while putting hundreds of thousands of Americans to work.
...being he was the first, again, to introduce that in December, why didn't the other candidates at least copy that?
My father finally got hired by Eastern Airlines, just two months before the Union struck. My father spent his time picketing. He then went back to where he used to work for much less money. So, I guess he ended up working in the factory anyhow.
OMG. Linda , I worked for Eastern Airlines til they went under in the early 90's.
Spent a lot of time on picket lines.
If indeed that was all that was required to run for President.
Indeed. A record that matches the rhetoric is infinitely more important.
I thought Edwards is a kingmaker. Why are we any more cocerned about what his policy platform is than Kucinich's?
How can these cands keep up this frenetic pace? I get tired just reading/hearing about them. LOL
Hmm, Rich, we were looking at maybe buying some land there last year. But afraid of who we were buying it from and the property itself. You have to incorporate there to own.
Pick up a paper if ya get a chance.
...being he was the first, again, to introduce that in December, why didn't the other candidates at least copy that?
As long as we're talking about candidates who don't have a prayer......
The green philosophy of Dennis KucinichThe Democratic candidate calls for a new energy paradigm. But are Americans ready to be "in harmony with nature"?
<>He may be eating the front-runners' dust in the polls, but among deep green voters, Dennis Kucinich is considered a trailblazer. A Democratic U.S. representative from Cleveland, Kucinich is calling for a radical overhaul of the U.S. government and economy -- one that would infuse every agency in the executive branch with a sustainability agenda, phase out coal and nuclear power entirely, and call on every American to ratchet down their resource consumption and participate in a national conservation program.......
Leading Democrats to Bill Clinton: Pipe Down.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96385
My father was in the Air Force for 30 years. When he got out he couldn't cope with having a 'real" job. Hard adjustment for him.
No hobbies, the force was his life, as they say. I look back at it now and see everything was provided for - house, school, church, healthcare. when you leave that cacoon and get out in the local economy it is hard.
Gee when we moved to Hampton , Va and had to rent a house off base, I never knew they had wallpaper!! We were never allowed to put wallpaper in the apartments and houses the government provided.
funny.
Leading Democrats to Bill Clinton: Pipe Down.
It's about time. He's demeaned the title of former president as much as he did the Oval Office (never mind that Bush has demeaned the office even more, and will no doubt carry on to be the worst ex-prez ever.)
Or maybe that's the unconscious connection to begin with. Abusees are drawn to other abusees.
Looks like Bill is running for prez.
I hope the debate is more than fluff.
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Denise
Mon, 01/21/08
Tom Brady is a Bush supporter - ewwwwww
Denise~ Went Googling for stuff on Brady because I wanted to lambast him on my website today. What I found is interesting... Brady had been Laura Bush's guest at the 2004 State of the Union address.
But California election records show the New England Patriots quarterback has pledged allegiance to neither major party, registering as "undecided" when he joined the voter rolls in July 2000 and apparently hasn't voted since then.
yes, linda b, I remember. I worked for a Caribbean Tour Operator that worked closely with Eastern too. I worked with them for 10 years. We went out of business after Eastern did, because most of our payments were through Eastern Airlines charge orders of which were would not be receiving.
She's supposed to be giving women hope that they can exist and accomplish w/o men.
All married folk rely on their spouses for help at times and prez wannabes are no exception. The problem is that Bill is making a "major league asshole" of himself.
50. seashell - I read an article on Hillary's background. Although she had a privileged upbringing - her father was not a great guy - didn't treat her mother well, etc. Apparently, she has allowed that pattern to continue. I lost respect for her when she didn't dump Bill.
OK, I'm re-thinking, again, the HC/BO ticket. BO says he'd compromise, reach across the aisle so to speak. So maybe that ticket isn't all that far-fetched...
Hillary leaving South Carolina to Bill and Chelsea:
http://www.observer.com/2008/hillary-lea...
But as I've said many times, most people need therapy in one form or another and we should demand it for our elected pols. To elect a dry drunk like putz is a good example of how we don't vet people for mental/emotional health.
Monica Smith
Mon, 01/21/08
6. I do not agree that the value of our currency should be tied to a relatively scarce metal, be it gold or silver. I am quite happy to have the value of money tied to the good faith and credit of our people. The problem we currently have is that the good faith and credit of our people has been violated by a bunch of crooks.
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Monica, as you may recall the TRUE currency value does not require anyone’s' agreement or disagreement to tie (or not to tie) it to the value of scarce metal...., it simply CAN'T be otherwise IF we are to talk about TRUE (real) currency value. All other talks is a pumped up, blown out of any reasonable proportions FAKE value we’ve witnessed decades before as well as witnessing how it’s exploding now every day right in front of our eyes. As for the "good faith and credit of our" (or not our..., lol) people....those things are from the past....(AND/OR from very distant future).The problem "we currently have" has become “current” so often that it’s become a CHRONIC one. Now it's finally transformed into the CRITICAL one which CAN'T get resolved through conventional means (by replacing one "bunch of crooks" with another). Ron Paul is THE ONLY candidate from both parties who is able (and is not scared!) to talk to American people AS EQUAL PARTNER (!!!) and therefore able to explain to them true, core and essential reasons for this system's failings.All others candidates are "bunch of crooks" in comparison, because of their elite self-perceptions as "uniquely experienced and capable to LEAD...”, lol, which makes them look hubris, shameless and ultimately funny.
January 21, 2008
Quote Of The Day
From today's Hotline:
"He needs to chill a little bit. I hope he understands what that means."
-- Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), on Bill Clinton, "American Morning," CNN, 1/21.
I must be missing something. Maybe someone could shed some light on what Bill is supposedly doing that's bad.
Isn't Bill doing what the other spouses have been doing, being surrogates for the campaign? Is it they are just upset that he is more powerful than the other surrogates?
Please, share what Bill has supposedly did that is bad that I must be unaware of.
60. With all due respect, Linda - Clinton is a former President of the United States. It's called *decorum* which Clinton has shown none of.
I want to amend this statement. I have never met anyone, and gotten to know them a bit, who, IMO, does not need some help. Of course, I include myself. All of my close friends have had some form of therapy - we continue to hold up the mirrors -
Perhaps mental/emotional illness is the number one health problem - We hear evidence of that on CSPAN...many of our pols seem downright crazy at times.
So...studies have shown that 1 out of 4 people in this country suffer from mental illness. Check your 3 best friends; if they seem OK, you're it! LOL
Giuliani is now behind by 12 points to McCain in his home state. I guess his *9/ll* tact didn't connect. LOL
50.
Good points seashell
I hope that voters will see that HC does NOT have the ability to either run for prez or be president.
Voters should ask themselves that, if they are simply voting for a woman who can be a leader, they would be barking up the wrong tree.
Hillary Clinton has not been a leader in the Senate, she has been a follower, voted safely only as othes as voting. That is why she voted for the war instead of doing just a little bit of investigating. There was plenty of evidence and the Pentagon and Hans Bliz saying there were no WMDs in Iraq.
She is a very scary candidate who, much like GWB is led around by Cheney, would be led around by Bill Clinton who gave us NAFTA and gave away a large chunk of the media to corporations.
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mary vb
Mon, 01/21/08
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60. With all due respect, Linda - Clinton is a former President of the United States. It's called *decorum* which Clinton has shown none of.
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What do you mean, "with all due respect, Linda....I'm asking for someone to share, because I was unaware of him doing something bad.
So that means, he hasn't done anything bad? Just that he is acting as a surrogate for his wifes campaign and he is more powerful as a past President?
So...studies have shown that 1 out of 4 people in this country suffer from mental illness. Check your 3 best friends; if they seem OK, you're it! LOL
when I go to my city committee executive board meeting this evening I will assume I am the sane one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
65. I think you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. If you fail to see how poorly a former U.S. President has conducted himself in advocating for his wife - it isn't worth a responding to. I'll leave it at that. I don't enjoy the the back and forth arguments.
Let me see, Hillary stayed with Bill cause she one day would be running for prez.
I don't understand your logic. If she had left him, would you support her more?
Because she forgave him she is an idiot?
I guess it could go both ways. I don't really care. She is a strong woman for sure.
Don't leave her out. She won in NY and she is one tough cookie.
67 - whoops - too many typos. I'm multi-tasking again and it doesn't work too well for me.
67. I think you are. You're saying how poorly he has conducted himself. I asked, what did he do that is being deemed "bad" or "poorly". But I'm not given an answer except he was a president. Please enlighten me, as I asked. What did he do. I haven't gotten an answer.
I have to comment on this for sure.
In Va the big thing for rethugs is ILLEGAL ALIENS and they should speak English.
What is funny, when ya go to Lowes or Home Depot, everything is in english and SPANISH.
The rethugs call it Mexican. When I hear anyone say Mexican, I correct them.
My father was in the Air Force for 30 years. When he got out he couldn't cope with having a 'real" job. Hard adjustment for him.
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If I recall, your Dad was US 8th air force B-17s stationed in England during WW2.............pretty gutsy guys, but like many vets from all wars when they return home to the "normal" world they cannot assimilate well if at all.............Ive always had a bit of sympathy for them but one must also realize their families they came home to often paid the emotional price of having to help these men re-adjust to non military/war life..............you turned out well Linda, and that is a good testament to your upbringing.
Linda....60
Receiving mostly skewed info, nobody will know what Clinton is doing right or wrong until we see the final results.
One thing, if "leading Dems" are trying to shut him up means that one of the founders of the DLC is not in step with the DLC. Maybe he's angry because the DLC fix is in for Obaqma and not wifey.
It is the media that are continuing to make this Dem primary campaign about racism and sexism.
Shame on them! This is about so much more, they are blinded by their own bottom $$ line and to heck with the country.
Now it has added the McCain age "issue" to the list. No end to it.
Is the country ready for a women? Maybe, but not HC for me. I'll take Boxer or Mosley-Braun. Maybe even Daisy Duck. :-)
75. Audrey, good point.
Well, so far as I can make, he didn't say anything bad, just being truthful in his perception as all the other candidates wives and surrogates, only they know Big Dog carries more weight, because I sure must have missed the memo as to who is allowed to endorse, which spouse, or Presidenital Candidate or former President is allowed to endorse, support and which candidate he/she can throw their support to.
And no, I wouldn't be her supporter had she left Bill. The two are not connected for me. I just feel she had her own agenda for staying and that maybe it was for her political future.
She's a formidable cand and will likely bury BO if JE leaves the race. JMO
79. agree. How belittling the media and the growing viewers of the media's talking points, to infer all the past candidates weren't taken serious for the presidential nomination. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Carol Mosley-Braun. All elections passed must have been a figment of our imagination, "The First TRULY VIABLE African America and Woman candidates".
Last I heard of Carol Mosely Braun, was when a young man came to her rescue in being mugged. Miss her. She was great. And she gave us one of the best lines that still fit today.
Osama Bin Forgotten.
ECONOMY VS ECOLOGY?
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=50067
Humanity and the Earth are faced with an enormous conundrum -- sufficient climate policies enjoy political support only in times of rapid economic growth. Yet this growth is the primary factor driving greenhouse gas emissions and other environmental ills. The growth machine has pushed the planet well beyond its ecological carrying capacity, and unless constrained, can only lead to human extinction and an end to complex life.
Perpetual economic growth, and necessary climate and other ecological policies, are fundamentally incompatible. Global ecological sustainability depends critically upon establishing a steady state economy, whereby production is right-sized to not diminish natural capital. Whole industries like coal and natural forest logging will be eliminated even as new opportunities emerge in solar energy and environmental restoration.
We are a couple decades at most away from societal strife of a much greater magnitude as the Earth's biosphere fails. Humanity can take the bitter medicine now, and recover while emerging better for it; or our total collapse can be a final, fatal death swoon.
Humanity is a marvelous creation. Yet her current dilemma is unprecedented. It is not yet known whether she is able to adapt, at some expense to her comfort and short-term well-being, to ensure survival. If she can, all futures of economic, social and ecological collapse can be avoided. If not it is better from a long-term biocentric viewpoint that the economic growth machine collapse now, bringing forth the necessary change, and offering hope for a planetary and human revival.
John Edwards Barnstorms Atlanta
Pressing the Positive, Edwards Insists He's Different
The IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) Union Hall on Pulliam Street in downtown Atlanta filled pretty quickly as 2:30 approached. John Edwards placards were everywhere. One homemade posterboard sign read: "John Edwards for our children". Another read: "Let's Put Elizabeth In The White House".
Some prospective voters had brought their children. Nearly everyone had a camera. In all, about 500 people had braved Atlanta's worst snowstorm in years to see what the Democratic presidential hopeful had to say. Excitement and expectancy was in the air; every face was directed to the front of the hall.
Everyone was there to see John Edwards give them a reason to vote for him or reaffirm the support they had already given him. Edwards had launched a three-day, six-state barnstorming tour on Wednesday, and Atlanta was his next-to-last stop before heading back to South Carolina.
The rally began with former Lieutenant Governor Mark Taylor giving a brief speech about new direction. Talking up John Edwards' pro-jobs, pro-union platform, Taylor mentioned the tragedy of the two DeKalb County (Atlanta metro area) police officers who had been killed this past week performing security work during their off-duty hours. One of the officer was a war veteran of the Afghanistan campaign, working three jobs to make ends meet.
Taylor introduced former Democratic governor of Georgia Roy Barnes, who told the crowd how tired he was -- of a president who didn't speak for him, of his country being run into the ground, of watching jobs and companies relocating oversees. Barnes received a raucous response to his dig at Bush, that he knew a Republican could ruin the country, but he had no idea that he would ruin the world. And then Barnes told the crowd that the reason he was supporting Edwards was because Edwards was the only Democratic platform that was detailed and unambiguous enough to work.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...
What his involvement does is sharpen BO's rebuttal, since he'll face the firing squad should he win the nomination. Or will BO try and negotiate with Bill? If he lets loose and loses his temper, than he can be labeled the angry candidate. HC is the weepy one -
We are in deep doo-doo.
We have racism, sexism, ageism, media, aliens, and spouses. Is the occupation over in Iraq?
Let's hear it for Daisy.
I can't believe that poor women really want a baby every year or so.
OK, I guess my problem with Bill Cinton's comments about Obama have less to do with his past presidency and more to do with the fact that he is (and I truly am sorry to say this) a LIAR. Yes, he did some very good things as President if you don't count NAFTA and Don't Ask Don't Tell. BUT, he did lie to the American people to cover his own arse, and I think he would lie in order to get his wife elected.
Hillary's campaign really did take Obama's comments out of context, and they consistently marginalize his experience and accomplishments. He is NOT just a supportive spouse, he still has the bully pulpit at any public event. When he stands with Hillary, you don't even see her.
I am truly sorry that Clinton lacks discretion. But he always has and that's his fatal flaw.
88. Obama has shown he'll do anything for the nomination, but he doesn't think Hillary should use a former President. But he sure would have. Shoot, he's actively campaigning for all their endorsements.
Getting ugly. Well, I'd like to know what happened to being a Uniter, because this has become the most divisive campaign, and it isn't because of the other guy. Obama's campaign has been playing both sides of this. Having his supporters go out to make a claim, while he tries to claim, "I don't know what they're talking about".
When Obama was asked about Hillary's comment about it taking a president to pass the legislation, Obama responded I never claimed she made a racial remark. RACIAL, who claimed it was RACIAL, they were saying that it desparaged MLK somehow, even though it didn't, but that was the talking points put out. But then Obama said, "she accused my campaign of putting this out and we didn't. But Tim Russert brought up 4 or 5 pages of emails from his campaign manager in South Carolina alone and acknowledged it, and said, "but, he agrees with Hillary, we are moving on". OH.
89. lmao
seashell, hubby barked at the TV this morning when they were pushing BC pills for treatment of PMS. So casually pushing these hormones for "pms" and "birth control", not really letting people know how many will discover they have cancer after taking these hormones/drugs being pushed at them. As he said, at a time when there are so many sexually transmitted diseases on the rise, they should be a bit more responsible and save lives, like condoms, etc.
well, grouting is calling me again...timer just went off.
ciao!
Oliver Stone has set his sights on his next directing project, "Bush," a film focusing on the life and presidency of George W. Bush, and attached Josh Brolin to play the title role.
Wow!
Josh Brolin is the son of James Brolin who is married to Barbara Streisand. Wonder how she feels about that!
seashell :-)
Mon, 01/21/08
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linda b, no, I didn't call her an idiot
I did not say YOU called her an idiot. That was my phrase. OK????
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MIke, my mom was the rock of the family. Many times when my dad was overseas and the check didn't get to us, we still had wonderful family meals. We always said my mom could make something from nothing and made the BEST gravy ever.
My older brother Tom kind of took care of all of us. I have looked up to him -literally since he is 6 ft 4- ever since I can remember.
We still had a pretty good life, I worked and babysat since I was 12 and bought my own clothes since I can remember. I always liked being independent and giving back to my family. (go get that tissue now).
Anyway my parents are both gone now. Both died from smoking related illnesses. They grew up in an era when smoking was the thing to do.
That is why I and my family have never smoked.
Sorry to bore you all.
Thanks Mike.
Carol Mosely-Braun is a delightful, intelligent, and caring person who I had the pleasure of meeting at a fundraiser to retire her campaign debt back in '04. Sorry to say the country wasn't ready for a woman or a black to be POTUS back then and I don't think they are in '08 either though I really hope I'm wrong. Like I've said before, one look across the aisle scares me more than Hillary does and I'm no Hillary supporter by any means.
I've got ya all beat on what me father did though...he was an abusive deadbeat dad who never cared for anyone but himself...found enjoyment in hurting others, even his own kids...I'd piss on his grave but it isn't worth the gas money! Guess what...he was a Republican!
Me mother is another story...kicked his sorry ass out when I was about 7, raised 6 boys and 1 girl by herself on welfare and all siblings are contributing members of society now...some very well off I might add. We came from nothing, lived in places that would shock you and we could all be messed up big time but her always caring, putting others before herself, showing strength by doing things that even though scared her, she did because they were the right thing to do...this was all installed in us...I'll never forget her speaking/crying at the podium during an anti-Vietnam rally in downtown Manchester, N.H.
Guess what...she is a Democrat!
Probably shared too much there but you never know where people have been.
Reed, thanks for sharing. What a heartwarming story. A strong woman, you mom is.
You are a great person too.
Peace.
New thread is up!
Thanks for sharing Reed and lindab.
I'm a pretty good thread killer too...lol
It was time for it to die, Reed...lol
Reed, thank you for sharing that story. Sorry for your dad's loss, but obviously a strong woman your mother was.
The story of my dads work was true, but what I didn't mention, when we moved down to Miami, he took up with a new love. He left my Mom, not working and 5 children to fend for themselves too. I guess that's where strong woman are born.
When he was still at home with us and not providing, spending money else where, my Uncles actually sent money down to my other Uncles to go buy food, for what they called "their little army". They were so much better to us than my own father. My father actually took us all for a milkshake to tell us he was leaving. We got home and ran in and told my Mom. She went out to his other car and found brand new cookware in boxes. She picked it up, slammed them down on the hump of the car in the back, placed them down and put the blanket back over them. Walked in the house and called a lawyer. But the house even stayed in my fathers name. My mother had nothing but a small amount of child support that went to paying for HIS house. Heven finally owed my mother so much money in back child support, after being thrown in jail twice for not paying, he finally signed the house over to my mother.
We knew my father would want us to be a part of his life again when he got older. He did. He showed up on my door step in Arizona for a surprise to mend fences. I thinks its more energy to hold a grudge, so I welcomed it.
That way, the corporation win for the next 16 years, assuming a ticket like that could win....
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