Though I tink it's very unfair, however, after he said that would consider Ron Paul as a running mate and Elizabeth when asked also said "absolutely" I don't really care. I don't mean to be obnoxious but I expected more than that from Kucinich.

Howard Dean is first.

Deans first.

And (just me mind you all) super K is last on my list.

the Taser MP3 player

Hillary is alright with me.

Barack is cool.

Edwards has balls, but ...would he?

Commander Cody - Everybody's Doin' It

exclude Dennis Kucinch from this debate next Tuesday & how that reflects on our democracy.

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NBC can "bite me." 

The media in the United States, in general, is bad for democracy.

Someone said somethin' about the corporate media diminishing Edwards with their horse race talk about Obama and Clinton, and I think they a right. 

We need to take back Congress~!

C-SPAN2       http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

...

• Provide a “Making Work Pay” Tax Cut for America's Working Families:

...

Create a Universal Mortgage Credit:

...

Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit:

...

Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000:

...

Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit:

...

• Combat Mortgage Fraud and Subprime Loans:

...

Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures:

...

Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers:

... Ban Unilateral Changes: ... Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt: ... Prohibit ”Universal Defaults”: ...

...

• Make the Corporate Tax Code More Fair and Efficient:

...

Crack Down on Offshore Tax Havens:

...

• Help Low-Income Americans Enter the Job Market:

...

Provide a Living Wage:

...

• Fix Our Health Care Crisis:

...

Barack Obama’s Plan for Energy Independence and Creating New Jobs

...

Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs:

...

Another exampe that the powers that be, that really ru this country................wil select Hillary Clinton and John Mccain to be the 2 finalists.....................with Mccain winning.

• Provide a “Making Work Pay” Tax Cut for America's Working Families:

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stop with the tax cuts already; the dollar is about to disappear as a viable currency if we don't face up to the deficit

Nope. McCain will go ballistic before the nomination is determined. And there's too much hidden misogyny for Hill to get it.

8:49 am EST

8.

I'll take a payroll tax cut, thank you

puddle wrote "McCain will go ballistic before the nomination is determined. And there's too much hidden misogyny for Hill to get it."

I share puddle's view on this.  I'm predicting Obama/Romney, which is fun to say out loud.  Try it.  It sounds a little like the name of a Hindu spiritual leader.

High gasoline prices are caused by war mongering in the Gulf and a worthless dollar that producers demand more of as a consequence and the two are intertwined in a big military budget borrowed from the Chinese so we have to keep that destructive race to the bottom as well.

I want a candidate that faces up to the real challenges we face and tax cuts have been a cause why should they be the solution?

Nixon and Ford pulled the same sh*t and Carter got stuck with the  outcome.

What is it about Republicans that they refuse to pay for the government they want (a military at war)? and why shoud Democrats go along?

The high interest rates coming in the years ahead to try and salvage our currency are going to be very painful to many sectors especially housing. 

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

...

...

I'll take a payroll tax cut, thank you

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Will you take tyhe 20% drop in the value of your house that will be the consequence?

14.

yep, I would "take tyhe 20% drop in the value of your house that will be the consequence?" for two reasons:

1) that would then lower another tax -- my property tax and thus lower my monthly mortgage payment that has an escrow account rolled up into it;

2) I have no intention of selling my house in the near future (because the prices here in this part of the Boston area the houses are too expensive and too over-priced), so it has no bearing on me.

rdorgan

The tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax.

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no way in h*ll will social security survive if everybody doesn't pay into it

and this is from a small business owner who will get a large bonus under that proposal

I think I understand r*'s "hope" of a tax cut,

or is it the lifting of the burden

IE the yoke

which neither party has squarely addressed in my working years.

Good for the poor, and good for the rich.

We can redefine those terms.

Good for the immigrant -legal or illegal? (haha, that's a game I made up and played with Thankful)

But what about mine?

Crack The Sky Lyrics

We Want Mine Lyrics

You got gold in your mouth
We ain't see no gold since the priests left
You got silver on your wrists
We ain't seen no silver since the airplane crash last year
Chorus
You got blue shining skies we got the sun in our eyes
And we're going blind
We don't want your money we want mine

You got shoes on your feet
We ain't seen no shoes since the soldiers came
You got food in your mouth
And that ain't even funny

Chorus

If we should threaten you we're wasting our time
If we appeal to you we're wasting our time
But if we ask you very nicely please be kind
We don't want your money we want mine

You got lies in your mouth
We don't hear no truth 'til the kids cry
You got smiles to your ears
We don't got no smiles

Russert's gonna have a loooooong hour w/Billary.

Uber-defensive.

Ouch.

puddle
Sun, 01/13/08
___________________________________________________________________________

pud,

You and Tom may be right.............one thing Ive learne when i was involved...........American politics can be totally topsy turvy......................

My predicting models still say mccain over hillary............

Steely Dan  Here at the Western World   Greatest Hits  1:51:57 (Real)        http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/25113

houses are too expensive and too over-priced),

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

not for long

mccain over hillary?

I dodn't think so. 

But maybe 'Cain's right on the issues.

rdorgan

The tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax.

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no way in h*ll will social security survive if everybody doesn't pay into it

and this is from a small business owner who will get a large bonus under that proposal

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Phil -

My wife is a small business owner (so micro that she' the owner, manager, employee all rolled up into one), so she is for Obama's "tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax", even though it wouldn't benefit her or her business. 

As for "if everybody doesn't pay into it",  please, read the plank before you walk it with such sweeping generalization criticism:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

...

There are approximately 25.8 million businesses in the United States and 99.7 percent of all employers are small businesses. Barack Obama will help these businesses by cutting their health care costs, improving their access to capital and investing in innovation and development.

• Fix our Health Care Crisis for Small Businesses: Nearly 47 million Americans have no health coverage today. Skyrocketing health care costs are making it increasingly difficult for employers, particularly small businesses, to provide health insurance to their employees. Barack Obama’s health care plan will help small businesses that want to cover their employees by letting small firms buy into a new low-cost, high-quality national health plan similar to the one offered to members of Congress. For small businesses, having a single employee with catastrophic expenditures can make insurance unaffordable to all of the workers in the firm. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they use the savings to reduce the cost of workers’ premiums. It is estimated that Obama’s health plan will save businesses $140 billion annually in insurance premiums.
• Reduce the Self-Employment Tax: Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit will also provide relief to self-employed small business owners who struggle to pay both the employee and employer portion of the payroll tax. The tax credit offsets some of this self-employment tax.

houses are too expensive and too over-priced),

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

not for long

>

And once again, the corporate structure mellows the hit for themselves and their hangers on.

It ain't bad, yet. 

'til the moment of truth comes.  And it is coming.

The working class will pay.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ObamaPolicy_Economy.pdf

Open Thread

This feature is coming soon!

>

I've seen that before.  Ehm hmm.

“Liberal Fascism” Author Jonah Goldberg Now L.A. Times Op-Ed Columnist

The Los Angeles Times announced a major shake-up of its op-ed page today. Gone are cartoonist Michael Ramirez and liberal columnist Robert Scheer.

In their place, you won’t find any committed progressives like Scheer. Instead, L.A. Times editors chose National Review contributing editor and “Liberal Fascism” author Jonah Goldberg. Below, some of our favorite Jonah jems, coming to a “liberal media” near you: ...http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/11/lati...

Jonah Goldberg and the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal

Goldberg's career as a pundit was launched following his mother Lucianne Goldberg's role in the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, when he wrote about the "media siege" on his mother's apartment in the New Yorker.

Goldberg has spoken of his mother and the Lewinsky scandal:

"My mother was the one who advised Linda Tripp to record her conversations with Monica Lewinsky and to save the dress. I was privy to some of that stuff, and when the administration set about to destroy Lewinsky, Tripp, and my mom, I defended my mom and by extension Tripp...I have zero desire to have those arguments again. I did my bit in the trenches of Clinton's trousers."

These tapes became the focal point of the Lewinsky scandal. Jonah Goldberg was privy to the tapes and the conversations Lucianne Goldberg had with Tripp because he served as a vice president of his mother's now-defunct literary agency. When the scandal broke, Goldberg defended his mother and Tripp during the ensuing media firestorm. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldb...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fas...

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=...

http://www.ndn.org/media/2006annualmeeti...

...In the Football Picks Scam - The scammer sends out tip sheet stating a game will go one way to 100 potential victims and the other way to another 100. The next week, the 100 or so who received the correct answer are divided into two groups and fed another pick. This is repeated until a small population have (apparently) received a series of supernaturally perfect picks - then the final pick is offered for sale. Despite being well-known (it was even described completely on an episode of The Simpsons), this scam is run almost continuously in different forms by different operators. The sports picks can also be replaced with securities, or any other random process, in an alternative form. This scam has also been called the inverted pyramid scheme because of the steadily decreasing population of victims at each stage. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_...

...Social engineering is a collection of techniques used to manipulate people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. While similar to a confidence trick or simple fraud, the term typically applies to trickery for information gathering or computer system access and in most cases the attacker never comes face-to-face with the victim. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engi...

http://thelastamazon.blogspot.com/2005/0...

http://www.ndn.org/
http://www.newpolitics.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning

Real estate values will skyrocket in the future as we continue to procreate. Supply & demand...just look at what's happened to the value of water.

Now off to get more wood on the porch and me snowblower ready for the nor'easter.

from yesterday...

Susan...your title dilema is a bit tougher than mine...when elected vice-chair me wife decided that chair of vice was more fitting...lol

Now to work...

31.

:)

http://www.choice101.com/15-con-artist-b...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18300507/pag...
http://www.choice101.com/15-con-artist-b...

To NOT protest the barring of any candidate rrom the debates is to give your approval of the media and corporate control over our elections. You are saying it's allright to bar certain candidates, but not mine. Remember, there will be nobody there to speak for you, when they come to bar yours,

The question of the thread is not whether you like everything Dennis ever said, but really do you believe in a democratic process?

3.

Imn2Paine
Sun, 01/13/08

Some rather disgusting extra-curricular activities you got there. No wonder Mrs. Clinton is first on your list. Please stay away from children.

Paine at #3 said:

"... super K is last on my list.

Hillary is alright with me.

Barack is cool.

Edwards has balls, but ...would he?"

I agree with all of the above and believe that Edwards does and would:)

#6, rd,thanks for some color on BO's platform.  The devil is in the details, of course, but nice to see the contours.  Thank you.

#19, Mike, I'd be ever so grateful if you'd care to share your prediction model's methodology;)

whoa!  easy there, madame chair;)!

#19, Mike, I'd be ever so grateful if you'd care to share your prediction model's methodology;)

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chal,

Thank you.............sitka could never appreciate my predicting 9/10 Presidential winners and also the demise of Howard Dean.............but id like to back up for the one campaign I DID get wrong...........the 92 Clinton win..............

Ill get back to ya...........time for breakfast..................

Happy Sunday folks!

Whatta football wknd so far. Congrats to the cheesheads. And those Pats just keep rolling on.
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I read this morning that Sidney Blumenthal (one of Hill's people) was arrested for DWI in NH.

Madame Chair, you were not serious at 35?

Sidney was arrested the night of the primary, I think.

aggravated DWI (excessive speed, failed field-sobriety test)

If the 3 chosen by NBC do not object strenuously to the exclusion of Dennis, it shows them for the cynical opportunists that they are!

time for breakfast

> Crown Royal and Internet backgammon?

He voted 130 times "PRESENT" while in the Ill. State Senate??

I would like to see the figures for the US. Senate.

Who is Obama, and why is it he chooses to not reveal his positions, but speaks only in generalities, and veiled messages?

http://hannah.smith-family.com/?p=2200

That self-proclaimed progressives are in favor of cuts in payroll taxes demonstrates a colossal degree of ignorance and a total lack of concern for the welfare of the Republic.

Reagan, then both Bushes have bankrupted the economy with their ill-advised tax cuts, which benefitted primarily the "1%".

 Tax cuts don't create wealth (except for the chosen few), they result in deficits.

Do the math.

The "stimulus package" being advocated by Bush and our feckless, clueless Congressional Democrats will only make things worse. Depreciation of the dollar will accelerate along with the double-digit inflation we already have, despite the government's bogus "core inflation" numbers

audrey.nc

come on audrey! How many votes did Hillary and McCain miss? It is a presidential campaign year. If you want to know Obama check out his history in IL too.

(Where did you get that slogan anyway-- Repubs or Hillary?)

Oops you quote IL Senate. hmmm interesting. Would like to see what the bills were.

rdorgan that doesn't sound like a very close football game. oh well.

...

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Annilow -

Actually, the score 31 Pats to 20 Jags doesn't tell the whole story, for three out of the four quarters saw a tied score for both teams.  Only in the 3rd quarter did the Pats beat the Jags, 14-3, and thus, the 11-point differential.

Thus, IMO a great game that demonstrated the adage "it ain't over until it's over".

Many of Obama's present votes in the Illinois senate have already been discussed over and over. It was a strategy. He has a 100% rating on pro-choice issues. It was a misleading and dishonest Clinton trick to question his pro-choice voting record.

I've heard all the justifications and rationalizations, but  I still consider ducking votes to be less than honorable.

strategy smategy

rd - The Pats are my third faveorite team but I was rooting for the Jags. Garrard had a great game. I don't want the Packers (if they make it) to face the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Huron John - You've already made up your mind about Barack so no matter what anyone says it is doubtful you will change your feelings IMO.

audrey wrote "[Obama] voted 130 times "PRESENT" while in the Ill. State Senate??"

What an awful post.  This canard was thoroughly exposed yesterday in a succession of substantive responses.  There's something a little more than just nasty about raising it again anyway. 

Holly.....

I don't know what slogan you're talking about, I made no mention of Rep.

About the votes, being absent is not the same as voting "present". Present is not being willing to commit. Absent is, in the case of Obama and Hillary, a matter of being too busy campaigning to attend to their job in the Senate.

I have a problem with members of Congress running for Pres., as I did with Edwards last election. I think they need to give up their job and have someone appointed to fill out their term, so the people have better representation. And I certainly have a big problem with Obama denying over and over that he would not run during his first term.

Hillary did well on Russert and the plan was to be dismissive of Edwards. as I recall the two votes so far, Edwards beat her once and she beat Edwards once.

she has a very hard time securing the nomination in a three person race

much easier if it can be narrowed to two

Well, I'm glad JFK, a U.S. senator, ran and won the Presidency in 1960. 

audrey wrote "Present is not being willing to commit."

As vb mentioned, this is not close to the truth and the reason you're not aware of it is lack of research.

I haven't been on this blog for the past several threads, but in scrolling through them I found some comments that insinuated I had called Annilow a racist.

That is not true. Here was the "conversation" we had:

Anni,

That's sad. Does that translate into meaning you are a racist?

~~~~~

I asked her a rather obvious question.

I never did find her answer to the question and she has no obligation to ever do so.

The Democratic Party has room for everyone but I always hope they are not racists, sexists, or homophobics.

Tom Bearse....


I'm sorry you think I'm just nasty for mentioning that Obama voted "present" 130 times in the Ill. St. Senate.

It was evidently not debunked yesterday, because I just heard it on MTP a short while ago. Take it up with them.

It is not nasty to write about a candidates' voting record. It is a necessity.

6.

* rdorgan
Sun, 01/13/08



Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less Than $50,000:

=============

I'm sorry I really like this one. It seems so silly to me that seniors get a check from the government and have to pay taxes on it. And you ought to see the outrageous permutations and combinations you have to do on your SS income to see what PERCENTAGE of it you have to pay taxes on. Thank God for AARP free tax counselors. Also, we pay Medicare supplementals out of money that has been taxed.

I thought I heard Obama say he would solve SS by raising the cap on when people stop paying into it. This sure seems like the simplest and most expedient solution to me who never made enuf to reach the cap.

rdorgan - thanks for analysis of Jags game. Glad your team won but still hope for the best for our real jaguars at the Jax zoo.

60. Joan - I did answer in the dark of night -- I though you were joking about me being a racist for being anti-alligator. My post was a reflection on the difference in race relations where I live and where you live -- I really wasn't condoning or condemning either one.

Hillary is using Nevada teachers to disenfranchise Nevada culinary workers --

a post on the Obama '08 blog:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CVMc#comments

IMO Hillary is anti-caucus

audrey wrote "It was evidently not debunked yesterday, because I just heard it on MTP a short while ago. Take it up with them."

It was discredited here by mainefem, Joan in Florida, Denise, Jo in Vermont, rae hart and others, with quotations and links to sources, all in response to the identical allegation made by Mz. Little.   Curiously enough, you were online and posting at the time.  You must share a blind spot with people at Meet the Press.

Hollyweird

http://inside.fdu.edu/fdupress/07102101....

http://marklevinfan.com/?p=2365

http://www.jb-williams.com/9-27-05.htm

voting "present" usually means vote trading on some other (unknown except to the parties) bill at the same time avoiding a public record that might be embarassing

in the cases cited in seems the embarassment that wanted too be avoided was a Republican going on record against women but there is enough of a pattern to show it clearly was part of Obama's bag of tricks to use the technique thereby making us assume his motives were always pure

the true picture is that a certain ingredient for the sausage was made behind closed doors

I think most people don't want to actually see the knife stick the pigs throat, even as they enjoy their sausage and egg biscuit.

I happen to someone who has trust in Obama to mostly do the right thing in closed rooms but it does go against his call for transparent government.

63.

Gotch annilow. thanks for answering.

BTW, you asked about the Tax Amendment. We will be voting YES but I think it is definitely an individual decision because it means so many different things to many people in Fla.

We want to sell our home and move to Volusia Co. Voting yes will give us a chance to bring along some or all of the tax savings we have accumulated from the "Save Our Homes" amendment of 1994. Without the amendment, we would not be able to do that nor would anyone else in the same position.

My gripe is that the Amendment itself it long and difficult reading. As a poll worker I know it is going to be a long day because of voters trying to understand it all.

Just a quick drop in. 

Puddle, your website: http://eatapyzch.blogspot.com/  is exquisite.  It moves me very much.  Thanks for posting it.

Just read an article in the Jan. 10-Jan. 16 Rocky Mountain Chronicle about Susan Solomon, a Boulder scientist who played a leading role on the IPCC, The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.  Solomon served as the cochair for Working Group I of the IPCC, chairing the historical meeting in Paris.  She was also present in Oslo for last month's Peace Prize Ceremony.  

She said this in response to the question, What did it feel like to be a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize?  

"The first thing I want to emphasize is that I'm one of several thousand scientists who worked on the IPCC reports over the period of a decade, so I'm just one of many who has the pleasure of sharing in this wonderful award.  And I think what it felt like to all of us is that we feel deeply honored and really humbled.  And I think the other thing for me that has been really striking is that it's a peace prize and not a science prize, and what it's saying is that there's a new recognition of the role that science can play in world peace, because this is the first time that the prize has been used by the Nobel committeee in this way.  ...

"They're making a very deliberate statement, it's not an accident.  If you read the citation they make it very clear that the award is for the 'dissemination of greater knowledge,' and I think that's  a wonderful message, that knowledge is a part of peace.  I can think of no better role for science in the 21st century." 

Am I a racist requires a very very long answer. I've tried to explain it in various posts on the blog -- I was raised in the segregated south by adults who held the common beliefs of the day. I think it's difficult to shake free of what you learn at your mother's knee. Having said that, my high school friends remember me as being 'militantly' pro-integration (always been a liberal and don't know where I got it). And in college I enjoyed a 'forbidden' flirtation with a black dude who was active in student government at the black college (there were such things in those days). And I'm very pro Obama. But I can't really say I've ever had black friends, or had them over, or any of that. Am I a racist? I don't know. I like my little 'segregated' town. We don't lock doors. We can walk the streets at 3 AM and fear only a loose dog here and there. Does the fact we're 99% white folks have anything to do with that? Who knows? My feelings are very conflicted quite frankly. It may be just what it's like to be 65 years old, born in Jacksonville and raised in Atlanta. Deep down inside I think we're all the same and when my generation dies off things will improve markedly for race relations. Although my casual observation of kids at one of the local high schools indicates while the school is integrated, the casual social entanglements largely aren't. Rome wasn't built in a day. An integrated South won't be either.

10.

rd

Payroll taxes are for SS and Medicare. They cannot and should not be cut. Perhaps you meant you want a cut in your income taxes?

Susan Solomon also says this in response to a question as to what role science should play in serving humanity.

"Science needs to be the honest broker.  It needs to tell you what you can believe in, what you have to question, what we're just not sure about.  It needs to always be the source you can turn to for some kind of reality check...It brings the discipline of science to a political discussion, because it's the real deal.  It's the news you can use.  That is a very unique role and one you don't want to compromise by complicating it with your personal opinons." 

 I wonder if this is one of the reasons that Al Gore deliberated about running or not running for President, that he didn't want this crucial and essential role compromised.   I thought Linda in SFNM who is such a strong supporter might take some comfort from this.

 Finally a thought about name calling and labeling.  I have the sense that none of us wants to do this, and if and when we do, it's more carelessness than thoughtful.  What I think we can legitimately criticize without getting into personalities is what we say and how we say it.  Also, when we use as authorities people who have reputations that are suspect, we leave ourselves open to question as well.  Do we really want to let David Duke or Shelby Steele or Hitler represent how we think and feel and stand for what we support.?

Well, off for a while. 

Am I a racist requires a very very long answer. I've tried to explain it in various posts on the blog -- I was raised in the segregated south by adults who held the common beliefs of the day.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I bought my first farm after I had rented it because I was the "protestant"  and the aggressive renter on the other side was a "catholic" and was raised in an environment that resembled northern Ireland (although from both sides the animosity was the reformation in Germany)bringing the religious wars of the old world to my neighborhood.  

that division continued until the Reagan Depression brought everyone together against a common enemy, and suddenly means nothing to the next generation which church neighbors attend when in my youth we even had seperate 4-H clubs

the same as Obama has transcended race up to a certain age group who will take their prejudice to the grave

but yes those divisions require a very very long answer

44

Why don't you people investigate and tell the whole truth before posting things. 

According to Obama, "about 130" out of 4,000 votes during his time in the Illinois Senate were present.

"This was a standard practice in Illinois," Obama said. "Often times I would strategically vote present because we were negotiating a bill or because there was some element in the bill that was unconstitutional or had problems that needed to be tweaked."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4032576&page=1

Well said, Annilow,

My  husband's family was Acadian French, came to Louisiana.  His great great great grandfather was the first governor, a senator, a general in the Civil War.  He founded the city of Lafayette.  His son, Alexander Mouton married an Ethiopian woman.  She was evidently very beautiful, highly accomplished, spoke four languages.  When he died he was buried in the Black cemetery.  For love of her he gave up his White privilege and membership in a highly segregated society.  

From marriage, I learned there are New Orleans musicians in the family.  Makes me feel so proud and happy that the best in human beings overcomes much of the cultural striuctures that are always part of who we are. 

I did not watch MTP with Clinton.  Can't stand to look at her, let alone listen.

My husband however did.  He said she stumbled, got caught in a couple of lies.  Said he didn't think the interview will help her by any means.

I did not watch MTP with Clinton

~~~~~~~~~~

know your enemy

Alexander Mouton was the oldest son of four children, two other sons and a daughter, I think.  Anyway, racism exists all over the world.  In some respects, Americans do better than many other people.

I was startled to see how skin color was a category in the Pacific Islands, though it was also a status, since those who didn't work the plantations had lighter skin.  In China, Mongolians and Han Chinese had differences.  Ah, humanity.  I wonder if this isn't part of our reptilian brains, just like listening the NPR's report on elephant seals, with females choosing the males who were the most aggressive and had the most status. 

12.  Republicans look on military force as a back-up to their enterprise.  It's an entitlement.  Why should they pay for it?

What I want to see on Youtube is that clip of Bill ranting about the media going easy on Obama.  He displayed the same attitude he had towards "that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

Disdain.

And it's all about him and her.  Hillbillies. 

81. My husband called them PWT, Monica. But Hillbillies is apt.

75.  Since i don't think the legislature should be making laws about health care matters (other than providing funds), I consider voting "present" the appropriate response.

It's been debunked for over a month, for Christsakes (strategy).

Google: pam sutherland & illinois planned parenthood council.

D.I.Y.

It would be a treat if some of you understood the *legislative process*, for once.

...versus incessantly "emoting."

http://tinyurl.com/2rnnny

HillBilly will reinforce the subliminal meme that Obama is the candidate of intellectual elitists and it is Clinton that has real world experience and would help the underdog.

it is an upside down world in political messaging 

new thread

71.  When we lived in Gainesville, we experienced a rash (30 or 40) of burglaries in the neighorhood and people got anxious every time some black person walked down the street.

Eventually, the burglar got caught in the act and some of the loot 

was recovered from his house.  He was a white kid whose family

had lived in the neighborhood for a long time.  One of the problems

with paying attention to the wrong things is that you miss what's

really going on. 

A sickening example of how racism is all too alive and sick on the SW side of Chicago, very close to where my mom lives and where I grew up (which is still a pristine white neighborhood and the N bomb is still in use)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/73...

This is from today's edition.

How we were raised as children is never congruent w/how we *choose* to live in adulthood.

Until reaching majority, children do not possess concrete assessment of prior, present and future belief systems & behaviors; or of attitudinal, moral, and ethical shifts in life--until they're living on their own.

Thereafter? They become "The Deciders."

Copouts and blame-shifting back to childhood are tossed out the proverbial schematica window.l

Upbringing & childhood influences become moot throughout adulthood (clean slate).

Mature awareness, lifelong intellectual inquiry, *free will*, being responsible for one's own critical thinking behaviors & attitudinal shifts as autonomous individuals; and all that jazz become paramount.