The Dean brothers are first right now and will continue to be beyond 2012!

HD12 is a campaign I would be happy to work on.  I have a feeling that goes for just anout everyone here. 

Please join this DFA-Link group
http://www.dfalink.com/group.php?id=2579...

Look at this worm, kind, calm and thoughtful MAN of PRINCIPLES.

Listen to his conversations, his stories, his recollections (hard to call it “speeches”)..., so honest, so sincere..., you probably will be able to understand why in those “underdeveloped” Middle Eastern societies "word of elders" that what counts!

Something to learn..., enjoy!


Ron Paul - Robert Taft Club - Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j8cPoCcqL3U

Ron Paul - Robert Taft Club - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6hIlAR1U...

I had no idea that some states could cast absentee primary ballots.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/12/30/174...

You better believe I'd be on Howard's bandwagon in 2012. Does this mean that there isn't a lot of confidence out there if Hill is the candidate? Just sayin...

Ivan wrote "Look at this worm, kind, calm and thoughtful MAN of PRINCIPLES."

But he's still a worm.

5. LOL!!!

The Clinton's are now playing the fear card. Be very afraid of the Senator with little experience - the world is a scary place. The world got scarier partly because Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Sound judgment there.

Here's an interesting diary: A vote for Clinton - means the end of Dean's 50 state strategy. I believe that.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1...

a HOWARDLY to Mondo Fountaine

w00t!

HD12 is a campaign I would be happy to work on.  I have a feeling that goes for just anout everyone here. 

Be prepared for a million and one replays of the scream, and a concerted attack by the Democratic Establishment, especially our friends, the DLC.

 I'm convinced that the "Democratic Wing" is going to have to start its own party.

6:27 pm

Did you know that in the Iowa caucuses, anybody is who not present that evening at 7:00 p.m.will be able to cast a vote.

That includes:

Servicemen and women serving overseas

Disabled if there are no provisions for them

Those who must work at that time

Whoever is out of state visiting Florida (for example:))

Possibly a father or mother who cannot both appear if they have young children

If they can get a babysitter, then the babysitter would not be able to vote

Whoever else cannot be present for whatever reason

You get the point I'm sure.

Caucuses are for American Indians of years gone by.

will be = will not be

Had it right the first time

12. Howard said it years ago.

Caucuses suck.

5.

Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/30/07

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Ivan wrote "Look at this worm, kind, calm and thoughtful MAN of PRINCIPLES."

But he's still a worm.

6.

mary vb
Sun, 12/30/07

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5. LOL!!!
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...lol, yeah, thanks!

Sure, he is not a "worm" he is a "warm person".

Huron John.....

You're convinced the Dem Wing will have to start it's own Party. Maybe that is what we'll be doing between now and HD12.
Our scream yeeeeaaahhhyyy, our battle cry.

9.

Phil Specht
Sun, 12/30/07

Please join our DFA-Link group.

Howard Dean in 2012

http://www.dfalink.com/group.php?id=2579...

Paul on personality and ideas(principles).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUG8T0cee...

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.h...

If this doesn't chill you, nothing will.

Judy thanks for that answer.

I read somewhere that many of the tensions in Pakistan are related to old disruptions caused when the partion forced all of the displaced persons into the old cultural patterns, and the tribal regions divorced themselves from that with self rule. Pakistan has cracks under the surface similar to Iraq.

True all over the globe I fear where Colonialism destroyed local cultures and then imposed artificial borders as they retreated . a North and South Vietnam come to mind

Pakistan by definition is a religious state and like Turkey we have their military to thank for keeping a secular nature if not a democratic one. The time for US condemnation was when Musharraf sacked the Supreme Court and we should have stood with their Constitution and Rule of Law but that would be difficult for a bushco trashing our own.

Like in America those religious questions are just under the surface, i.e. Huckabee, or how easy it is to trash the Constitution as Bush has done.

Iowa caucuses are for the purpose of choosing Democratic Party local legal representatives. (the presidential allocation of nomination convention delegates were added later)

as such it is a meeting of local party activists

thus the Iowa test is which Presidential candidate appeals to the base of the Party

 and other forms of primarys are different kinds of tests

since what is at stake is a system for picking the Democratic Party nominee I will argue that Iowa has the fairest test

that is a completely different issue from being first

Why should independents have any say in the selection of a Party nominee?

I'd love to see Howard viable in 2012. But it's unlikely. The dems are going to win in 2008, and that gives a dem another turn. Best we're likely to see is 2016. Wish that weren't true.


6:58pm

Not much of a difference. Let's give people someone to vote for.

To say that it has to be HD16 is to assume that a Dem victory is inevitable. That's not what Howard says.
If the Dems win, then they have to produce or it's bye bye Party. The electorate will not stand for another year like the last. What do you think will happen if we have a larger presence in Congress and Presidency, and the Republicans are still having their way, because the Dems now in charge are complicit? In the past, the incumbent was reelected, but I think this past year has changed a few things.
HD12 sounds quite likely, and a certainty if Hillary is elected. Don't forget she said "There's nothing wrong with the Dem.Party, it's fine just the way it is".

Bring it on! He should do it again! Later mention that it was a directional mic that the "media" didn't realize. Go after them too.

22.

Phil Specht
Sun, 12/30/07

They shouldn't but they do in California. A lot of Decline to State voters were once Democrats. They left the party because of the Clintons. At least that is what they say when asked. Most all I've met are very proud of their new found independence and are not interested in building the grassroots of any political party. These folks always vote especially in primaries. DS voters are the fastest growing voting block in California.

I'm trying to get this information out!! Juicy! Evidentally the Admins at the old John Kerry forum were both Republican moles. We have the screenshots and everything! They're now supporting Ron Paul!! 

 http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33981

Mondo Fountaine....

Howard "owned" the scream when he was here in Charlotte speaking to a crowd who had never seen him in person. There was a problem with the mic, and when it was fixed Howard said, "That's good I thought I was going to have to scream and start yelling out the names of the States". The crowd loved it.

Here's how you deal with the DLC types and the Clintons. Just say this!

 "Buck up. We can throw every single election from now until kingdom come. The ball's in your court. Tick tock."

I'm all for independents deciding general elections, and would never deny a voter every opportunity.

I just think that the individual named on the ballot opposite the label DEMOCRATIC PARTY should be chosen by members of that party.

The Dems performance has cost them their 2006 advantage.  All three Dem Leaders are beatable.

The Dem party has demonstrated incompetence in government.  The DFA has aligned itself to the Dem Party rather than  with the American People.  

The Dems and the DFA may not survive this election.  Certainly the Incumbent Dems  have to be voted out no matter the Presidency. 

19.

You're right puddle, a cold wind just came in through the walls and it's 80 degrees outside here.

From Ron Paul's website:

 Nominate only judges who refuse to legislate from the bench. (Sep 2007)

"A leading mantra of contemporary conservatism is opposition to judges who 'legislate from the bench' or who are 'judicial activists.' . . . Republicans seem utterly oblivious to the fact that it is conservative judges who have become the activists. The evidence for this contention is conclusive and indisputable for anyone making an honest assessment with any knowledge of the Supreme Court. "  John W. Dean, Broken Government."  (pg 123).

I guess Ron Paul is just not up to date on the Supreme Court.

31.

Absolutely Phil.

I also can't understand these states who have crossover voting in primaries.

If someone has no viable candidate running on their own side of the fence, he/she could come vote for the other side's worst candidate with the hope that their own best of the worst could beat them in a general elec. Makes no sense for either party.

Joan in Florida  wrote: 

You're right puddle, a cold wind just came in through the walls and it's 80 degrees outside here.

From Ron Paul's website:

 Nominate only judges who refuse to legislate from the bench. (Sep 2007)

"A leading mantra of contemporary conservatism is opposition to judges who 'legislate from the bench' or who are 'judicial activists.' . . . Republicans seem utterly oblivious to the fact that it is conservative judges who have become the activists. The evidence for this contention is conclusive and indisputable for anyone making an honest assessment with any knowledge of the Supreme Court. "  John W. Dean, Broken Government."  (pg 123).

I guess Ron Paul is just not up to date on the Supreme Court.

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The 19th century is more like it.

Not to advertise DW but we have DFA forum there. [Mods I'm not trying to take anyone away from here but just to give additional resources for DFA.]

http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=270

Mary, yes, I agree. Even though all the candidates did sign an oath, I think Hill and others would rid the DNC of the 50 state strategy.

I just saw this incredible video on Iraq, a young man filming his life and family now, on Current tv.

watch this.

"Die Swimming in Iraq"
http://current.com/items/85534751_die_sw...

Since Democrats took charge of Congress in January 2007, they have returned the legislative branch to traditional standards and procedures and back toward the center. Proper process has resulted in the entire atmosphere on Capitol Hill changing for the better. One senior Repuglican staffer said he managed to survive and become a minority staff only because, unlike the Repuglicans, who cut the minority staffs to almost nothing when they were in control, the Democrats have not retaliated with a similar ploy. This longtime Republican staff person, who has worked on Capitol Hill since 1995, told me it was as if someone had finally opened the windows to let fresh air into the Capitol building. Civility is returning as well . . . John W. Dean, Broken Government (pgs 189-190)

Outtakes from the same book: 

Democrats adopted new rules that prohibit the Sppeaker from holding votes open for long than the scheduled time for the sold purpose of changing the outcome of the vote.

Democrats have ended the GOP practice of shutting the opposition party out of conference committee meetings.

Democrats have amended the rules to prohibit legislation that would increase the nation’s budget deficit, placing the government back on a sound fiscal practice known as "pay-as-you-go."

Democrats have changed the rules regarding earmarks by ending the GOP practice of trading them for votes. New rules require members to disclose their requests and certify that neither they nor their spouses have any financial interest in them.

Speaker Pelosi and Senate lead Harry Reid have made five-day workweeks the norm in their respective chambers resulting in more than twice the time Republicans spent in Congress.

Implementation of the 9/11 commission’s recommendations

A minimum wage increase

To promote stem cell research

To permit negotiation for lower prescription drug prices under Medicare

To cut interest rates for college student loans

To cut subsidies for big oil companies

Republicans vowed to subvert as much as they can by threatening filibusters

Congress has resumed its vital role–considered by many to be more important than writing laws–of executive branch oversight.

Goodnight all

Good nite, Joan. Sweet dreams.

"Happy New Year"

I'm going off topic but what else is new? (btw...HD in '08 works for me).

I work for a highway dept. in Vermont as most of you know and every facet of my job involves weather. In order to maintain the roads, make them safe for the public, etc...we need to know what we are or might be dealing with re: weather. The experts have gotten this down where forecasting (predicting the future actually) is almost 100% within 24 hrs. Forecasting weather and the science in which it is done has become something most everyone...regardless of their political or religious beliefs depends on (and believe in).

And if this is true that most everyone is trusting of the science of weather for their daily forecast...how can they write off other things that used to be predictable and the science behind them, like exit polls which are accurate to 1/2 of 1% if not fudged with...I won't go into the 9-11 pea soup.

We need to make sure that religion (beliefs) is not taught in our public schools and that science (facts) is. I don't like the Bible thumpers on either side of the aisle...makes the truth hard to see!

31.

Phil Specht
Sun, 12/30/07


All the Republican political rhetoric in California for years was that local and county offices should be non-partisan elections. The Democrats bought it and changed the laws. Changing the election code was a very bad idea for the Democratic Party as far as I am concerned. We lost our county farm teams of grassroots leaders. Some folks believed the rhetoric and left party politics all together. The truth is, there is no such thing as a non-partisan election, period. The Republican party will be the first to say it to their own members. Now most all of our candidates are trained staffers out of constituency offices. They just follow their old bosses lead. Most of the time their old bosses retire to the private sector and take up jobs as Corporate lobbyists. They don't even contact the local county parties. There is no need to do so. Their deals are with the state and national legislative election committees.

Nite Joan


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Another video.

This is on how we are turning our seas in to toxic garbage cans to our sea life.
Overwhelming increase in neuro toxin being produced from algae. Last year and this have been outdoing all previous records.

Warning, it is a bit hearwrenching, being this is about sea life, ie Sea Lions in particular.

http://current.com/items/77427651_toxic_...

44. Reed, well said and couldn't agree more.

I'm off, back to tiling.

Thanks Linda,
Gotta get a cat nap...they're predicting a storm in a few hours...happy tiling.

Linda, good Current vid

Reed, it has started in the Boston area

43.

Reed in VT
Sun, 12/30/07

...We need to make sure that religion (beliefs) is not taught in our public schools and that science (facts) is. I don't like the Bible thumpers on either side of the aisle...makes the truth hard to see! ...

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Then you sure do not want school vouchers or any charter schools. The religious schools are the first to apply for them.

I heard Elizabeth Edwards today saying that Kerry would not spend any money in Tennessee, Oklahoma, the Carolinas, Kansas because they were red states. Yet, they have Dem govs. who have won  running state wide. She said she & John believe just what Howard dean believes, that we should have a 50 state strategy & that's what they intend to do.

Also, I think when Senators decide to run for president, they should give up their salaries while they are running because they obviously can't do what their states elected them to do in the senate, so why should we be paying them....

Paine...you can keep this one down there, we have plenty of snow up here...lol
Looks like we'll get some here in So. Vt., less than a foot below 1500 ft. Of course my highest rd. is 1600 ft., had 1/2 inch of snow before at my house at the base of the hill and 2 feet at the summit just a few miles away.
p.s. How bout those Patriots?

50. Edwards just lost me on two counts:

1. He said he sounds like a president - ie Carter and Clinton - Southern accent.
2. He would have a place for Bill Clinton in his administration.

Susan...we be on the same page on that!

Look at it this way. If Bill is given a job in the Edwards administration, he could be sent somewhere for something specific and reigned in if necessary. Better than having hi "out there" on his own shooting his mouth off.

here's the summit at sunrise...

Hey, y'all, you have to go see "Charlie Wilson's War."  It'll break your heart while you're laughing.  The parallels between what the Russians were doing to the Afghans peasants and what we're doing to the Iraqis ran chills up my spine. 

It's incredible covert ops intrigue..and who said there's no conspiracy in politics?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around who was behind the Bhutto murder.  Or should I say, who made the car that had that hard part she hit her head on, causing her to die? 

Reed

...man I wouldn't want to drive up/down any good sized hill with ice or snow.  Maybe those big ol' shovel pushers are good in weather.  I was fish-tailin' a few Thursdays ago, and drivin' sideways up hills.  Even though I learned to drive in snow I do not like the very risky storms.

That was a freaking excellent game last night!  WOOT!

I don't have a problem with Bill being in the next administration - as long as it's not Hillary's.  :-)

I wish HQ would put up a bat for ALL the candidates and we could hit whomever we want.............

What's wrong with that idea?    Bats turn my credit cards into laughing whirling dervishes.

BRING BACK THE BATS, PLEASE. 

My problem with both Clintons are the people they surround themselves with - the usual suspects who will do everything in their power to eliminate Howard and his 50 state strategy, etc.

Reed in VT

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No...is the most important word in the English language, Reed.  Do you know it?  I would balk at that downgrade.  Test the stopping distance, eh? 

seashell said,  "wish HQ would put up a bat for ALL the candidates and we could hit whomever we want"

That's a good suggestion.  Personally I am not yet interested in contributing, but I like the idea.  Good suggestion.

Get out your knitting needles and come to the new bright thread.

Just thought I'd mention that I edited the OP to add this group for members to join.

Howard Dean in 2012

Looks like I'm the host. *BJ shakes his head*

mary vb said, "My problem with both Clintons are the people they surround themselves with ..."

Well, it is said that her people form the best of machines.  I like to know that there is a machine that will do battle.  My hope is that her people go to battle for ... us, which to me means Progressives.

Funny...I recall back in 2004 when BFA was hashing out the merits of defining ourselves as liberals and progressives.

Paine...that's not even the steep side, just the side with a view. We try and get new selectboard members to ride with us but after one trip they don't want to do it again...lol

Reed wrote, "We try and get new selectboard members to ride with us but after one trip they don't want to do it again...lol "

Dude, I'm nauseous just reading about it.  Feel like I might piss myself uncontrolablely.

Reed, that gives me the sensation of my front side falling forward, while my back presses into the seat.  God help you.

Sorry for making you queazy...just a everyday job for me after doing it 30 years...I retire in 3 years and I know I'll miss it. But have a new challenge in being vice chair of our Dem. county committee...I see bigger hurdles there.

nap time... 

  Test the stopping distance, eh

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Reed as someone that occasionally risks their life to feed people, I understand big machines and gravity quite well myself, thanks for what you do,you know all us dairymen appreciate the road crews.

The Giants made one heck of effort and the Pats bested them. all hail the victors

As the following table shows, the Des Moines Register "Iowa Poll" conducted by Selzer and Company easily earns the highest marks, with virtually all rating it either very (36%) or somewhat (50%) reliable. The other pollsters with the highest scores are nationally known media surveys: ABC/Washington Post, the Pew Research Center and CBS/New York Times.

The pollsters receiving the lowest scores are Zogby International, the American Research Group and Rasmussen Reports. In the case of Zogby, four out of five pollsters rated their surveys as not very (28%) or not at all reliable (52%).

Does anyone remember Mark Blumenthal from Mystery Pollster back in 04?

He's baaaack.....Currently analyzing the reliability of various polling organizations. 

Ditto.  Bring it on, scream and all.Next time we'll make sure he gets more rest and someone doesn't give a dry feed from the stage microphone to the TV cameras -- instead, we'll route it through the mixer and add some "ambience" before feeding it to the world!  Different scream, different world.HD12.-r