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We call this the World's Most Important Poll because it shows that one popular Democratic candidate also has many Democratic voters that find them to be their least favored candidate, thus raising questions about their ability to succeed in the general election if they get the nomination. It costs only a few dollars to create this poll and you'll end up registering lots of voters in the process. This has energized our voter contact activity!
The poll does many other things as well:
- It forces voters to think about all of the candidates, even those with whom they are unfamiliar. As wonks we are shocked to learn that some folks have no idea about some of the candidates. This gets folks thinking about all of the candidates.
- It forces voters to think about electability in the general election.
- It lets voters share their opinion about who they DON'T LIKE in addition to who they DO like. And, it demonstrates that these two things are very different. (The lowest "like most" candidate is NOT the same as the highest "like least" candidate. Some candidates ARE polarizing!)
- It engages voters in the election RIGHT NOW in a tangible way - boy, do they LOVE polking those pins in the chart!
How it works: Voters are given TWO pins, one for the candidate they like the most, and the other for the one they like the least. They cannot vote until we have confirmed their registration status as Democrats. We do the verification of status on the spot with a laptop computer loaded with current voter data. This thing draws crowds and gets results!
(Note: Photo was taken before end of evening poll. Results vary, but trends are discernable. Try your own!)
Here's a link to more information: http://www.victoryalliance.org/poll/poll.htm
Background, we run this poll every Thursday night at the San Luis Obispo, California, Farmer's Market. Patterns have emerged and have changed over time. One pattern which is consistent is that the same candidate always has the highest number of "Like Least" votes - and these are Democrats who are voting.This poll is easy and cheap to create - you just create the poll on letter size paper and then spend a couple of dollars blowing it up to 30x40 inches at a print shop that specializes in blueprint reproductions. That and a couple of boxes of push pins and you are ready to "poll" . The other critical ingredient is having a list of current voter status information. We got ours and put it on a laptop computer. You could just as easily get a big printed out version and use that for verification (as long as the list is not WAY too long. Ours is 150,000 voters). Set yourself up where lots of folks walk by and then ask folks: Would you like to vote in our poll? Are you a Democrat in this county? (check this if you have the ability to do so.) Give them two pins and then stand back! Oh yes, be ready to register LOTS of voters in the process. The poll generates great deal of activity. We register MANY more voters when we are using this poll than we otherwise would.
It forces voters to think about electability in the general election.
I'm opposed to forcing people to think about nonsense.
Howard Dean is first - has been for close to 5 years now :)
Actually, Dean was first even long before most of us had ever heard of him.
{{Waves to Denise}}.
Need to *really* motivate self to do some errands (and laundry--hate the thought) before the whiteout Nor'Eastah hits late tonight (all day tomorrow).
I'm still in my bathrobe, underneath the electric blanket.
Monica will receive tons of sleet (vs. inches of snow), etc.--she may not be loggin' on early tomorrow morning, folks.
http://tinyurl.com/2rv4f6
...has a woodstove/cookstove as backup, so she's fine.
(OT for Judy on early thread).
Gorgeous scenic pics alongside your home, Linda, BTW.
Wanna trade?
ttfn~
True that, Sitka!
mainefem, doing laundry here as well. Heading to Charleston, SC via Wash DC in the morning and hoping for clear skies and limited delay.
Linda, yes, lovely shot of your home and surroundings. I just love it where you live.
Still no snow in the High Sierra - not good.
I suspect that most supporters of candidates who are not in the lead will stick their unfavorable pin on the leader, whomever it may be.
Correction: Most people stuck the unfavorable pin on "Undecided."
What has he or she done to deserve such enmity?
3. Right on, Sitka. How I decided to support Dean -- I was living in Wisconsin and The Journal Sentinel published an article on the fiscal health of all the states. There were only two states in the *black* out of 50 - one was Vermont. I read about their healthcare as well. About a year or two later the Governor of Vermont decided to run for office. The only time I ever heard about Howard was all the hoopla on the news about how he signed civil unions into law.
I knew then that he'd make a great president one day! Still hoping he'll run again.
D.C. will be plenty "gusty," but not receive the Nor'Easta's snow/whiteout/power outages-type conditions, & sleet, etc. (e.g., coastal, w/a helluva punch).
D.C. folks are totally laughable wimps, re: 2" of snow, and they go all to hell!
I expect Govnuuh Baldacci to enforce a pseudo shutdown tomorrow (and scream at shrub yet again to release that damned LIHEAP funding he's hoarding)....
Off to do laundry--hate laundrmats (hope they're slow today--I want to rip through what I need to do--clean cold weather clothing is indeed necessary this week).
I should be paid hefty residuals by Sunbeam, to endorse their electric blankets.
I have tons of clothing, just 'cuz I *hate* laundromats!
Buh-bye.
Hey to all.
Just an update on how things are going here in virginia. We have a special election on Dec 11 to fill the seat of Joanne Davis who died recently. We have a great candidate in Phil Forgit, a decorated Iraq veteran who is running on the dem side.
Also our women's caucus had a silent auction yesterday at our central comm meeting in waynesboro, va and we raised over $5000 for women candidates. It was awesome.
I am real tired but have to call my precinct captains to get them out for the election. So many are working but I will do what I can.
Later you all. Peace.
D.C. "gusts" tomorrow:
http://tinyurl.com/ytmgf2
Been preparing today for the nor'easter...most likely an all nighter for me, can use the $$$ before Xmas though. Still had some time to work on our committee list...data entry is borriiinnnnggggg! Our committee voted at it's last meeting to pursue getting a laptop for our secretary...our chair was handed a box of hand-written documents from the previous chair and was wondering if we still had powdered wigs too...lol. I made a few connections and it looks like we're getting a laptop donated...nice! Then she can do some of this stuff that I've been doing...even nicer.
Time for a cat nap now though I'd rather watch football with a brew. I may be doing the laundry like mainefem as my wife may have to leave and take care of her dad...recently diagnosed with pancreatic cancer so his days are numbered (they give him less than a year). He wants to stay at home and no one is more qualified than my wife to help him with 31 years as a nurse in a nursing home and is unemployed right now. Not to worry, I can cook and clean as well as run heavy equipment, chainsaw, welder and the such.
Had a request to share this on any blogs I am on...and it's an issue I think is as important as any.
Please read and promote these articles of truth as well, on any
networks you participate in like Digg, Reddit and so on, to get the
word out that it's time for the people to be heard again.
Censored: Media Consolidation Debate by Steve Fournier
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
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Cross Ownership Proposal by Kenneth Briggs
http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_...
Confronting the FCC Monolith by Kevin Gosztola
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
The Bush Push To Take Control Of Our Media and What You Can Do About
It by Cliff Carson
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
Stopping the FCC from Consolidating Media Ownership by Mike
Kuykendall
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
When Fox News Brags.....and the FCC by Michael Shaw
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
Media for the Masses, not amassed media monopolization by Richard
Mathis
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071202/ap_po/obama_iowa_1
Obama endorsed by Des Moines, Iowa mayor
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago
DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama was endorsed Sunday by the mayor of Iowa's largest city and predicted more criticism ahead from presidential rivals as his political fortunes keep brightening.
Meeting with reporters, Obama trotted out Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie, who last month won a second term. He has focused on global warming and other environmental issues.
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Great news about Obama, rdorgan. Thanks for sharing. Now that Gore has made known his plans, I'm full on board with him. I'm thinking about travelling to a red state to knock on some doors for him as the election draws near.
4.
mainefem
Hey, any time you want to come visit, let me know.
Denise, happy you enjoyed. I KNOW you'll be comin' out here. :)
Then again, I may just go head to some red counties for our primary. I so do not want Hillary to take California in the primary.
Issued: 02 December 2007
Former vice president has helped awaken public conscience on climate change
The Green Party has welcomed former US vice president Al Gore's visit to Ireland, and praised his role in awakening the public to the realities and challenges of climate change. Vice President Gore addressed the Merrion | Landsbanki Energy and the Environment Conference at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, a conference at which Green Party Energy Minister Eamon Ryan also spoke.
Following Vice-President Gore's address, the Green Party Leader and Environment Minister John Gormley TD said: "Al Gore has done much to awaken and enhance public awareness and understanding of the realties of climate change. He is a deserved co-recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize and has long worked to publicise an issue which most people now accept is the greatest challenge facing humanity. His solutions-based approach to climate change has been an inspiration to policy-makers across the globe, and I hope that at the UNFCC talks in Bali next week the world's leaders will sign up to a common approach on how to further reduce greenhouse gas emissions. From Ireland's perspective I intend to push for the most ambitious agreement possible to cover the period following the expiration of the Kyoto Protocol in 2012. I hope that Ireland can meet, and even exceed, its Kyoto commitments and become an example for the rest of the world over the next decade."
Gore/Arnold Schwarzneggar global warming conference will be held on December 19th.
The conference will also be hosted by Senator John McCain.
We're awaiting more details, but at least we have a date.
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Conference the world's 'last chance to avoid catastrophic global warming'
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12:00PM Sunday December 02, 2007
By Geoffrey Lean
Climate Change
Climate talks 'last chance' to avoid catastrophe
Rich countries are rapidly increasing the pollution that causes global warming to record levels - despite having solemnly undertaken to reduce it, three devastating new official reports reveal.
Emissions of greenhouse gases and their accumulation in the atmosphere are higher than they have ever been, and unless policies are urgently reversed "catastrophic" climate change is inevitable, they warn.
The reports - from three separate UN organisations - form the strongest and most authoritative condemnation of Western climate policies yet.
They are made public as representatives of nearly 200 governments fly into Bali, Indonesia, this weekend for the most crucial negotiations on global warming for years.
The talks, which open tomorrow, are to start discussing a successor to the present agreement under the Kyoto Protocol, which runs out in five years' time, having failed to measure up to the escalating climate crisis.
Experts say it is the world's "last chance" to avoid disaster.
THOMAS HOMER-DIXON
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
December 1, 2007 at 12:00 AM EST
Next week, policy makers, scientists and activists from around the world will gather in Bali, Indonesia, to try to produce a climate-change agreement that will take us beyond the 2012 expiration of the Kyoto Accord. This meeting will take place in an atmosphere of sharply heightened unease among leading climate scientists.
A few years ago, these scientists regarded global warming as a matter of serious concern; now many appear to think that it's a matter of grave urgency — that we may be running out of time. The recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports are increasingly viewed as out of date.
Because the IPCC reports incorporate only scientific findings published up to about mid-2005, they don't reflect almost two years of extraordinarily important results from multiple streams of research. Immediately after the Working Group 1 report was released (last February), many scientists said it significantly underestimated sea-level rise this century.
Since then, we've seen sharply higher global carbon dioxide emissions than the IPCC expected (2006 emissions were almost half a billion tonnes above the worst-case IPCC prediction), while the absorptive capacity of ocean and land-based carbon sinks appears to be decreasing more rapidly than predicted.
The Associated Press
Published: November 30, 2007
LONDON: Al Gore on Friday night praised Prime Minister Gordon Brown for his role in the battle against global warming.
"I'm grateful for his leadership on the issues," the former U.S. vice president said during the keynote speech at the Fortune Forum Summit, an annual event that gathers politicians, entrepreneurs, philanthropists and celebrity activists to support the work of major charities.
"I wish that was the case in my own country," the Nobel Peace Prize winner told the audience at London's Royal Court of Justice.
It included public figures such as musicians Bob Geldof and Damien Rice, actresses Daryl Hannah and Jerry Hall, and English TV presenter David Frost.
12, reed in vt
Time for a cat nap now though I'd rather watch football with a brew. I may be doing the laundry like mainefem as my wife may have to leave and take care of her dad...recently diagnosed with pancreatic cancer so his days are numbered (they give him less than a year). He wants to stay at home and no one is more qualified than my wife to help him with 31 years as a nurse in a nursing home and is unemployed right now. Not to worry, I can cook and clean as well as run heavy equipment, chainsaw, welder and the such.
Pancreatic cancer is so painful. MY MOM passes away from it about 10 years ago. Once you get it, it never lets go. When I hear people get it, I know no matter how hard they try, nothing works. With all the money we give the American Cancer society and their like, they still have no cure for the ailment. Just delay.
My best to you and your family and to your wonderful wife.
i wonder sometimes why we really support or not support the candidates. I know someone who can't get past the thought that one has the middle name of Hussein. Then some here think that we shouldn't have been without proper representation while he ran for Pres. in '04. An even larger group objects to one's cold blue eyed stare. Another is thought of as a little bit shady and likes to pinch the ladies. One is smart but talks too much, and another who s quite nice, but there's no spark, There's another that most have never heard of, and then there's a short one.
I wonder why subconsciously or consciously these things keep creeping ahead of more important things.
I wonder at what point the issues come into play. Or in some instances are they overruled by the personal connection?
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Audrey, the corporate media is doing their darnest to keep the issues and record from the news(which is the most important), even though in a POLL (gee, I thought they were supposed to like those) showed 77 percent of the people want that talked about, and 55 percent want to know the candidates records on these issues. That is an astounding amount, yes the Corporate Media is pushing crap and the candidates campaign , while only 1 percent is on the candidate record.
Who is out of touch with who?
In all, 63% of the campaign stories focused on political and tactical aspects of the campaign. That is nearly four times the number of stories about the personal backgrounds of the candidates (17%) or the candidates’ ideas and policy proposals (15%). And just 1% of stories examined the candidates’ records or past public performance, the study found.
A study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy
Linda.....
I wasn't thinking of the media. These are just things you hear around..people you run into etc.
It just makes me wonder. I know people care about the issues, but how much and how are they influenced by how a candidate looks or acts or talks. After personal impressions have kicked in would it make any difference what they said about the issues at that point? In other words, would somebody vote for a candidate they couldn't stand to look at, but who was offering everything they hoped for? I'm beginning to think that many would not. They would say it was some other reason. I think that's why political handlers try to marginalise their opponents on these personal things. I wonder how many votes Gore lost because of the magnified sigh, and how much is Kucinich hurt when they try to belittle him? Then there is the "Scream", and how many people voted against their issues because of it?
Maybe the answer is to grab anyone off the street from outside the beltway, and send them to beauty and charm school and we'll have a winner. Or else get ourselves a Queen for public doings, and a Pres. who never sees the light of day.
26 Yes, but you are also pointint to the Media's manipulation, playing to the worst in folks, than appealing to the better in us.
Evil begets Evil.
It seems easier to hate folks than to love. It's easier to frighten
folks than to stand up for good and appeal to the better. That's control and dictatorships.
And these candidates are playing in to that. And folks are not wisening up
playing right a long. What really is important for your President of the United States?
Do you want to have a beer with them?
And these candidates are marketing themselves this way too.
FOX missed out. They didn't come up with a "What Kind of President Do You Want" Reality
Show.
Lets not forget, these same folks are the ones who brought us George Bush.
27. Yes, it is about having a puppet for the Special INtersts and Corporations to control. Done with Reagan and "W" Bush It is just about the same as "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy, where he was a hustler from the streets, taking out the guy at the top (Dan Akroyd) being groomed for the highest position on Wall Street. The Duke Brothers giving him the information and pulling the strings.
Only this is real life with Enegry, Media and Financial institutions pulling the strings.
I thought the DNC had to cancel the December 10th debate in LA because of potential union picket. Why doesn't this HfP Campaign Manger know that? Very strange.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Patti Solis Doyle, Hillary Clinton for President
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:16 PM
Subject: Mark your calendar
I have two dates I need you to mark on your calendar immediately. The first you probably already know about: Tuesday, February 5, primary election day in California. That could be the day the nomination is decided.
The second is Monday, December 10. On that day, hundreds of Hillary supporters are holding house parties across California to discuss how to help Hillary make history. If you want to help Hillary win this race, then look for a December 10 house party in your area and RSVP today:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncent...
You know what a big job it's going to be to win California. We need help from every corner of the state to reach millions of voters. Your involvement is essential, and there is no better way for you to learn more about how to help the campaign than to attend a house party on December 10.
There are house parties from Eureka to San Diego, and Hillary will join a conference call to talk about what all of us can do to help in the critical two months leading up to the election.
Show your support for Hillary today by signing up for a house party in your area:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncent...
Hillary needs your help to win in California, and I know she can count on you.
Sincerely,
Patti Solis Doyle
Campaign Manager
Hillary for President
Follow up
Oregon Republicans Miraculously Amend 2006 Platform Without Meeting
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23093...
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audrey.nc
Sun, 12/02/07
4:12 pm
27.
audrey.nc
Sun, 12/02/07
4:22 pm
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You are talking about deep, unresolvable by conventional measures, crisis of current political system, crisis that started long before these last two wars began.
Recall the fact that about 50% of eligible voters usually DO NOT VOTE in America! Why, what does it say?
Imo, it may say one only thing: People DO NOT believe their vote CAN change anything for the better in their everyday life.
The other 50% may vote for different reasons with one of the major of them is, - they hope that if they DO vote their life, (which they know won't be improved as a result of their vote) at least won't get worse (the theory of "lesser evil"..., lol).
Under such circumstances mass opinion about candidate, formed by "fair and balanced" media is very easy to achieve.
audrey wrote "Accomplish? You jest."
In truth, I had hoped we had not reached the point where the question is meaningless. But, nothing surprises me any more.
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inter a zip code.
12/10 Debate Watch Party in Visalia, CA! (Visalia)
Please join me at my California Debate Watch House Party on December 10th! As you may know the Senator has been busy voicing her vision for America and voters across California are listening. While all the major candidates are debating the issues on Monday, December 10th in Los Angeles, you can hel...
Tom....
You made the Repubs the question, and avoided my question of why the Dems were not impeaching.
I guess you were framing.
35. Susan...au ha...obviously I didn't click the link. :)
I like the concept of John Barta's blog. The reason is because it is so hard to get Dems or even Rebs) interested here in election. Many more R's vote than Dems or Inds though there are more Dems registered and a whole lot of Independents.
This may just work, all I need to do is come up with a time and place to have this "poll."
Our next DEC meeting next week will be 10% business & 90% party. Maybe I'll try it out on them. At least I know they are all Dems.
looks like I am being ignored.
we have an important election to take a hard republican congressional district and turn it blue in Virginia.
In like 11 days, so what are you doing?
The dem is up by a point which is unheard of here in my part of Va.
As usual, DFA is silent for me.
So you , since you are my people can help.
go to www.philforgit.com and help. You can phone bank, send money.
DO IT.
I am like so exhausted doing stuff here in Va. and no help from DFA.
But YOU can help.
You can make it happen. We have a great candidate, like we did in the Va Senate 1st.
HELP US HERE IN THE 1ST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA.
THANKS
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audrey.nc
Sun, 12/02/07
4:12 pm
It just makes me wonder. I know people care about the issues, but how much and how are they influenced by how a candidate looks or acts or talks. After personal impressions have kicked in would it make any difference what they said about the issues at that point? In other words, would somebody vote for a candidate they couldn't stand to look at, but who was offering everything they hoped for? I'm beginning to think that many would not....
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Another point and probably more directly connected to Andrey's particular concern is a "value" related, imo.
It is about the major "value" this "culture" brought into the World (and trying to advance it even further) - the culture of SELLING and BUYING where EVERYTHING!!! could be bought or sold, and the matter might be only the PRICE!
That's the candidate's "looks or acts or talks", the beautiful, colorful, shiny box with EMPTINESS (or LIE) inside that "valued" by this "culture".
Thanks Reed VT for the links re the RCC.
You bet it is an important issue, even a crisis with this Martin calling whatever shots he chooses.
Virtually all Americans in all parties do not want any more consolidation or even the amount we have now, but that matters not to someone given the power to do what he wants.
The rules of the FCC need to be changed. More members of the board from both major parties with an even number of votes, just for starters.
Take care Reed, hope your wife can get some help with her dad so she can stay healthy herself. Even caretakers need some time out to spend on their own.
41.
linda
If I like any closer and didn't have a few other burdens, I would be up there tomorrow to help. You deserve some rest. One person should never be expected to carry all the weight of something so important.
Joan
Former....
Sort of the same question....In the early 70's, I knew a woman, she was a model, tall blonde and wore very short skirts. She was arrested at an anti war demo because she didn't move fast enough to disperse, or maybe the cops liked blondes. She was pushed into the cruiser, and she had a hard time keeping their hands off her legs. she made bail, and had a trial, and the cops all testified against her. Some of the demonstrators testified for her, but they were all long haired, rumpled looking hippy types.
It didn't look good for her, but the case was dismissed with no charges. Justice was blind that day, because the Judge was actually physically blind.
I'm thinking maybe all Pres. campaigning should be done on the radio only. lol
Read a novel this afternoon, for a change. LOL
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audrey.nc
Sun, 12/02/07
6:17 pm
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Thank you Audrey for the question.
So, the ABC evening news had a story on global warming and a letter from retired generals saying the U.S. has to prepare for warfare caused by global warming. Guess DARPA's funding is in jeopardy.
Lots of pictures of lots of people crowded together. Really scary. NOT.
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audrey.nc
Sun, 12/02/07
6:49 pm
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I'm thinking maybe all Pres. campaigning should be done on the radio only. lol
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..., lol, maybe it should..., though I don't think it'll help.
audrey wrote "You made the Repubs the question, and avoided my question of why the Dems were not impeaching."
I tremble in fear at the awsome power of communication, the expression and exchange of ideas. Rather than ask you to go back and reread what I previously wrote, I will reproduce it verbatim:
"The reason I made a point of emphasizing the hypocrisy of the views on impeachment of a gross pig like Rep. Hyde is to help illustrate the bind Democrats are in. Besides being a costly waste of time and effort, impeachment proceedings would be a gift to Bush and Republicans roughly equivalent to finding a suitcase full of money while walking down the sidewalk.
"Impeachment hearings by a Democratically controlled House on the bases of Bush’s duplicity in attacking Iraq and undermining Constitutional protections for Americans will suffer from a crippling handicap, namely, that the war took place following an authorization vote joined by Democratic House and Senate members and the wiretap programs began following briefing to the Gang of Eight. The hypocrisy implicit in these hearings will be amply highlighted in one boring speech after another by Republican partisans on TV, droning on for days on end during the political high season.
"Bush is one of the most unpopular sitting presidents since the time such polling began. Even most Republican pundits will acknowledge to some degree that Republican prospects in next year’s elections are miserable. I don’t think that Democrats should risk relearning what Republicans did during Clinton’s impeachment, which is that such proceedings are viewed as undisguised political attacks, and can help to buoy the sagging spirits of the even the worst executive, let alone a relatively good one. I’d prefer to see Bush sink under the waves from his own ballast."
I find it curious that the candidates' public records are not even listed as being worthy of consideration. That alone may explain much that is going wrong with the country. When politicians are allowed to get away with murder, they will murder.
Tom....
Please, I understood it the first time. We disagree. What you call a waste of time, I consider paramount. We're nothing if we refuse to protect the Constitution.
The Dems just need to impeach, and if they are not smart enough to ward off the "bric a braks", then there's another reason they don't deserve to be in Congress, because what Congress does is defend the Constitution.
audrey wrote "Please, I understood it the first time."
I'm relieved to hear that because your comment that I "avoided [your] question of why the Dems were not impeaching suggested otherwise.
It is not, by the way, paramount to impeach a Democratically elected officeholder. The whole genius of our system of government is that there are checks and balances to prevent excesses by such leaders, and that we have regularly scheduled elections so that the people whom we elect are held accountable by the voters who install them in office. This proposal is to oust a two term president during his last year in office, the year in which he can no longer serve as president by Constitutional provision, for offenses he was committing during virtually the whole four years before he was reelected.
I am constantly astonished by Democrats who misinterpret the function of the impeachment clause of the Constitution as some way to depose by fiat a member of the executive branch who, in the eyes of the opposition party, fails as an elected official. This is the same mistake made by Republicans a decade ago, and their follies should serve as an object lesson to us.
Pelosi needs to put impeachment Hres 333 ON the table, because it is her job and it is the right thing to do. If she can't take the heat of defending the Constitution she needs to resign, and let Pete Stark or Dennis Kucinich do it.
We're the Party of values? Let's start by valuing the Constitution. Until then, we're just fooling ourselves.
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Tom Bearse
Sun, 12/02/07
7:54 pm
...The whole genius of our system of government ....
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Sounds dream-like...and at least funny in today's World of reality.
Impeachment is there to protect the citizenry from the powerful. You are wrong. imo. done.
audrey wrote "If [Pelosi] can't take the heat of defending the Constitution she needs to resign, and let Pete Stark or Dennis Kucinich do it."
President Lincoln suspended the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. Applying your standard, it was paramount that he also be impeached.
Tom....
You could hurt yourself reaching so far, lol.
I'm done.
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Sitka
shhhhhh. That was a carefully worded poll.
...bad enough, they didn't expect an overwhelming
77 percent of voters want to hear about issues and policy.
...that must have shaken them up for an entire week......How will they
sucessfully fool voters by not talking about the issues?
SOLVED, preten no one wants to know.
Denial ain't just a river, it's American Politicians. :)
President Lincoln suspended the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. Applying your standard, it was paramount that he also be impeached.
That's saying an apple is the same as hemlock.
Sometimes you make sense. This time you don't.
Sitka wrote "Sometimes you make sense. This time you don't."
Try putting a little oomph into your thought processing. Do you think it is paramount to impeach a democratically elected member of the executive branch in order to protect the Constitution, defend the Constitution, or protect the citizenry from the powerful. It's not my thesis. I was only responding to it.
Try putting some oomph into your own pointless arguments. Comparing Lincoln to Bush in any regard -- utter foolishness.
Just in from salting...this appears to be a sleet/ice event instead of a snowstorm. Hope it changes because rain at 19 degrees is not good. I'm doing a snow dance...lol.
I say, impeach, investagate, imprison...which is better than what they deserve.
investagate s/b investigate...sheesh
The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers;
and shall have sole power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting
for that purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.
Article 1 Section 8
The Congress shall have power to make all laws which shall be necessary and
proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other
powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States,
or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Title 5
§ 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of
honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the
following oath: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support
and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties
of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." This section
does not affect other oaths required by law.
Article 2 section 2
Before he enter on the execution of his Office, he shall take the following
Oath or Affirmations:-- "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to
the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the
United States."
Article 2, section 4
The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States,
SHALL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE on impeachment for and conviction of, treason,
bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article 6
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in
pursuance thereof; and all treaties made or which shall be made, under the
authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and
the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the
Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Conclusion: When there is a suspicion that civil officers of the government
including the president, vice president, Congress, Secretaries and
Department heads have commited a crime; due process for cleaning up the
seats of government must be undertaken by Congress. Due process is
impeachment in the house and trial in the Senate.
The Constitution orders the Congress of the United States to remove from
office the president, vice president and all civil officers (Congress etc.)
of the United States for conviction of treason, bribery, or other high
crimes and misdemeanors. Rebellion against the Constitution is also a high
crime as declared by the 14th amendment that declares punishment upon
conviction as no longer being eligible to hold a government office. This is
not an option, it is a direct mandate to Congress. There is no
constitutional provision to vote on whether or not to impeach and try, the
accused person must face impeachment and trial by the congressional body
when there is evidence of crimes. Impeachment and trial are due process for
removal from office, only. Court trials must be held afterwards for
punishment if convicted.
Sitka wrote "Comparing Lincoln to Bush in any regard -- utter foolishness."
Because you say so? Fortunately for the readers, unlike you, I actually bother to add reasoning to the discussion.
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