Well there, Howard Dean is evidently first since there is nobody else to ever take his place.

44.

* rdorgan
Mon, 11/26/07
1:03 pm



...I'd just like to congratulate Al Gore for having enough graciousness to meet with Bush today at 3pm.

I'm not so sure if I was in Al's shoes that I would meet with a man....
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Why "not so sure"? Is it because yourself have not enough of such a "graciousness" OR because in his shoes you would consider it as been kind of inappropriate?

Just curious?

Good firsties, Joan.

************
And the charades continue, while real people continue to die.

Perhaps it's time for Condi to write a book.
==============
Humoring Condi
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, November 26, 2007; 1:37 PM

President Bush's indolent approach to tomorrow's Middle East peace conference in Annapolis suggests that he's just going through the motions to make his beloved secretary of state happy.

Glenn Kessler and Michael Abramowitz write in The Washington Post that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said "that her goal is to wrap up a peace deal by the end of the Bush presidency. But people who have spoken to Bush in recent weeks say he has made it clear that he has no intention of trying to force a peace settlement on the parties. The president's fight against terrorism has given him a sense of kinship with Israel over its need for security, and he remains skeptical that, in the end, the Palestinians will make the compromises necessary for a peace deal. . . .

"Arab officials are skeptical that the conference will amount to much, in part because Bush has remained relatively silent on the matter since he announced the peace talks this summer, said Daniel C. Kurtzer, who served as Bush's ambassador to Israel from 2001 to 2005. 'You don't get a sense that he's invested in it,' Kurtzer said. 'Nobody associates President Bush with this policy.' . . .

"Flynt Leverett, Rice's former top aide on Middle East issues, said she indicated to him that she wanted to be bolder in helping the Palestinian side of the equation but folded in the face of intense opposition from Vice President Cheney, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other conservatives."

[...]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

FRED from OR
Mon, 11/26/07
1:34 pm
___________________________________________________________________________

Kind of an extreme post, but I sense a tinge of humour, and at this festive time of year I am all for humour......did you watch "A Christmas Story" last night? 

Add me to that list please...........moldy bread left in the basement fits me well..cheers

==============================

I own a copy of Christmas story and have been a fan of Jean Sheperd since the 1960s, used to listen to him on the radio every night, live from the Gaslight cafe in Greenwich Village, Manhattan.

Also read his book "In God we trust (all others pay cash)"

And boo hoo, Trent Lott will resign.

A new opportunity for some MS Deaniacs!

=================
Update: Lott Announces Retirement
Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) announced Monday that he will retire from the Senate effective late next month or early January, stunning Republicans who had only last year reinstated Lott to their leadership ranks.

"It's time for us to do something else," he said at a press conference in his hometown of Pascagoula, Miss.

[...]
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-b...

More or less on topic for a change ...

===============
Years of living dangerously: the wild, wild world
It's not just your imagination, the weather really is getting worse. Andrew Buncombe and Daniel Howden explain why disasters are coming faster, and more furiously than ever
Published: 26 November 2007

It has been unmistakable to the millions caught up in the biblical downpours that cut off an entire region of Mexico this year. Many Australians have been sufficiently convinced of it to change the way they vote. It has been obvious to the home owners of middle England who have stood knee deep in their flooded sitting rooms. And it can't have escaped the notice of the millionaire's on Malibu beach who have watched their luxury beach homes burn like matchsticks.

Weather related disasters are increasing in both frequency and savagery and the expansion of human communities into vulnerable habitats along with the increasingly apparent effects of climate change are to blame. A leading British charity has discovered that there has been a fourfold increase in catastrophes such as the floods that swept through South Asia this year affecting more than 250m people.

In a new report, Oxfam says that from an average of 120 such annual disasters in the early 1980s, there are now as many as 500 every year. It called on governments to take more convincing steps to reduce the emission of greenhouse gases that a consensus of scientists blame for the temperature increases.

[...]
http://environment.independent.co.uk/art...

63.

DANIEL ROONEY
Mon, 11/26/07

You and John Huron, and Sitka, are like Carbon Monoxide, Sulphur Dioxide, and Diox is this the new drugs your on?

================

There are no other drugs that I can take for my disability since I developed a severe gastrointestinal condition from experiementing with Pharmaceutical for that reason,

but your intensely personal mockery of my condition with such comments is a good example of how much you suck and how little regard you have for the space on this blog and how you force feed us with your horse shit.

59.

Annilow -

Thanks for the return welcome (see trip report summarized in response to Mike).

2.

former -

To answer your question, it's Yes "not so sure" to "Is it because yourself have not enough of such a "graciousness"".

Al's thus IMO is a more mature man than myself for meeting with Bush.  Al is going there as a Nobel Peace prize winner, a stature far above the man he will be meeting.  I don't fault Al at all and commend him for doing what he is doing.  He truly is Nobel.

Anni: did I understand you to say that you are coming this way on December 9? We'll be travelling from 8-17 December and won't be here or you'd have an invite this way.

But if you're around after the 17th, we'll be here until sometime in January.

short cut to last thread
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23083...

Hmm ... hadn't heard this one, just about everything else.

And that's all for now.

===============
The bald facts: Smokers risk hair loss - as well as fatal illnesses
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 26 November 2007

Smoking is known to make your legs fall off. Now, it appears, it makes your hair fall out, too – and possibly for the same reasons.

A study of Asian men, renowned for hanging on to their hair compared with follically-challenged Europeans and Americans, found puffing on cigarettes can hasten male hair loss.

Smoking is known to accelerate ageing and is associated with facial wrinkles and grey hair. It is also causes a dozen different kinds of cancer and heart disease and damages circulation.

But none of this counts for much with the average red- blooded male – at least not as much as maintaining a healthy head of hair. Unlike grey hair and wrinkled skin, baldness is harder to treat and harder to disguise. Doctors see the latest discovery as a potentially valuable weapon in the battle to persuade smokers to give up.

[...]
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/art...

Good bye Mike, I cannot stay here right now. This blog really sucks these day.

3.

* rdorgan
Mon, 11/26/07
1:53 pm

...I don't fault Al at all and commend him for doing what he is doing....
----------

I do..., and he's lost couple of points on my scale.

There's a diary up on KOS in which Dodd poses a question for the next GOP YouTube debate on this Wednesday.  But, here's his speech from the JJ Dinner in IOWA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXelKQvsioo 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/26/114331/04 

WOOHOO Susan!

indeed,


Time for
a COOL
change,
Gore
2008

Lewis Black: "President Bush now says HE believes in Global Warming. As a result, I'm not sure now."

10.

JudyforDean

Thanks for the invite Judy -- I won't be in Suisse this time -- attempting to follow that darned opera singer again. This is the LAST time, at least till 2010.

Why the hurry up retirement for Lott? Did Larry Flint dig up some dirt on him? 

Trent Lott didn't even have any graciousness as he announced his retirement. He used most of the time to talk about how much hadn't been done that needed to be done.

A big DUH! for Lott, whose party was in the majority for twelve years and didn't get it done. And DUH Lott could have voted YEA instead of NAY during this past year.

What a loser -- glad to see that racist gone from Congress forever.

16. Linda sfnm - LOL - that's about how I feel about W. If he says black, then white.

16.

Gotta like that Lewis Black, my favority comedian. Thanks Linda.

17.

Also gotta like that Chris Dodd. Does anyone believe his question about protecting the Constitution will actually be presented by right wingers to right wing candidates?

What happened to my country?

Once sweet land of liberty

You and John Huron, and Sitka, are like Carbon Monoxide, Sulphur Dioxide, and Diox is this the new drugs your on?

Always amusing to know what the lunatic fringe is thinking. 

China and France sign climate change pact
26 November 2007

BEIJING - Chinese President Hu Jintao and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy on Monday oversaw the signing of a bilateral pact on the fight against climate change.

China and France "recognise the impact of climate change for the survival and development of humanity and recognise the importance and the urgency to fight against climate change and to put in place sustainable development," said the agreement.

The two countries will strengthen cooperation on a variety of climate change-related environmental issues, including biodiversity, desertification and pollution....

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.a...

A big DUH! for Lott, whose party was in the majority for twelve years and didn't get it done.

It must have really demoralized him when the insurance company he took bribes from all those years wouldn't rebuild the home he lost in Katrina -- he just plain lost in faith in government and the private sector. 

A Wellstone Action video.

Message Discipline Taken to the Extreme: http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23093...

16.

Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 11/26/07
2:19 pm


My hubby loves Lewis Black's comedy. He plays a couple of Black's CDs all the time. He's always quoting him. We went to see his act in Lake Tahoe. It was a fun weekend.

23.Sitka

Always amusing to know what the lunatic fringe is thinking
=============

From the douche that makes debbie downer sound like pollyanna

Hey ladies, yes, I agree, Lewis Black is one of those few comedic genius'. He puts me in stitches.

WHOA!   RIP

Quiet Riot singer dies at 52

Story Highlights

Kevin DuBrow died in Las Vegas home, according to TMZ.com

DuBrow was lead singer of Quiet Riot

Band hit No. 1 in 1983 with album "Metal Health"




(CNN) -- Kevin DuBrow, the lead singer of the 1980s heavy metal band Quiet Riot, has died, CNN has confirmed. He was 52.

Always amusing to know what the lunatic fringe is thinking
=============

From the douche that makes debbie downer sound like pollyanna

Make that, lunatic fringes. 

Trent Lott, minority whip was the No. 2 GOP senator.....will leave at the end of the year – and will ‘replace himself’ ..Only one year in to his six year term. (?)

Cheney is having a procedure to deal with an irregular heartbeat.

It's too much to hope that his career of unmitigated evil will come to an end because of it. 

 “ What a bombshell, I don't think anyone saw this coming," said one insurance industry lobbyist.”

They should have rebuilt his house. 

Hey Fred - sounds like your intestinal 'good and bad bacteria' are messed up.  That's not fun.  Have you tried to balance them with -- (your choice)  yogurt, cottage cheese, buttermilk, Acidopholus milk. ?  You'd need to eat (or drink) quite a bit of it for several days.  Could work.

This article is why you should never be a zealot on either side of the spectrum:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495&in_page_id=1879

Save the planet by not reproducing. 

Sitka - what did I miss - who rebuilt who's house? : )

Save the planet by not reproducing.

Your party is against birth control -- at least for poor people.

A Cow's Dash to Freedom.

...even a cow know's when they're in trouble and when to escape.

...such a beautiful face.  And it may make you think twice about wanting

 to kill more of her.

Sitka - what did I miss - who rebuilt who's house? : )

Lott's villa on the Gulf coast was destroyed by Katrina. He was in the news sobbing about his loss. Then he found his insurance company wouldn't pay for it since it was destroyed by water rather than wind.

Welcome to the real world, Trent. You know, the one where the insurance companies who bribed you to pass laws for their benefit turned around and screwed you the same as everyone else you helped them screw.

And to think he didn't even tell his lobbyist friends he's quitting! 

Cheney --- atrial fibrillation, an abnormal rhythm involving the upper chambers of the heart,’’

Ticker: Cheney having heart procedure

YES, we got it, TICKER is another word for heart.  :) 

With his heart history, blood clots, being overweight and in a STRESSFUL job

What's stressful about being Bush's puppet master?

Nap time for Uncle Dick......

im sorry your sick fred hope it works out for you will  pray for you dan

Sitka ----- ON-going investigation by a certain Mr. Fitzgerald, who was not happy about Libby's cover up.  AND ...Mr. McClellen's new book, which, if you look back at the fine print in Dick's and other's testimony, could be a big BADDA boom  for Dick.   I'm sure he's 'somewhat concerned' and probably trying to be sure every one of his tracks is covered.   'stressful'.

'stressful'. 

Not one thing you cited is stressful for one as insulated as Cheney.

The investigation is over, McClellan's revelation was a one day story. 

Looks like ROONEY is having insulter's remorse.

ALL I want for Christmas is...

TO GET THIS BACK!

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

If John Heilemann was right on Chris Matthews' show on 10/14, we should be hearing news of Al Gore's endorsement of Barack Obama soon.

Sitka - 49

: )

52.  only in Obama and his supporters dreams would an endorsement come from Al Gore.

31.

Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 11/26/07
4:12 pm


I don't eat beef or pork but a lot of people do. I grew up near a slaughter house.

Linda wrote "only in Obama and his supporters dreams would an endorsement come from Al Gore."

This is an interesting observation.  You must know something John Heilemann doesn't.  Since Gore has indicated he will likely endorse a candidate, who is it you think he's coming out for?  

56.  apparenlly I must.  But I just listen to Al Gore's own words instead of talking heads.  And Mr. Gore has said it several times that he may not endorse anyone, considering he is very disappointed in their lack of discussing the issue, let alone in the importance it should be.  And Obama is one of the worst in that category.  

Looks like ROONEY is having insulter's remorse.  no didnt know fred was so sick your still open season!!!

Daniel R. -- : )

I had to go double check on Fitzgerald and the investigation still being open:

After Fitzegerald’s announcement of five counts against Libby:

This grand jury's term has expired by statute; it could not be extended. But it's in ordinary course to keep a grand jury open to consider other matters, and that's what we will be doing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/politics/28text-fitz.html?_r=1&ei=5070&en=e2f21f15b0d0fe13&ex=1152936000&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

57.

Linda*in*SFNM


I heard Obama speak at the CDP Convention. He barely mentioned the issue. What he does say about it, well, is very weak.

but your intensely personal mockery of my condition with such comments is a good example of how much you suck and how little regard you have for the space on this blog and how you force feed us with your horse shit.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is this from the man who was wishing a heart attack on another member of this blog recently?

For Phil, when he shows up:

http://eatapyzch.blogspot.com/

Greetings (gruezi) folks,

Here's a nice diary on Obama from Daily Kos. Kucinich was also anti-war - he gets a passing mention in this diary.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1...

Linda - Al Gore is my dream candidate but what if he doesn't run? Time is running out - who do you think you could support? This question was posed to me over the holiday wknd.

Under grilling from lawmakers and attack by lawsuits alleging Bush authorized the illegal wiretapping of Americans, the White House has invoked a legal defense known as the "state secrets" doctrine - a claim that the president has inherent and unchecked power to shield national security information from disclosure.....to plaintiffs in court or to Congress!

http://english.pravda.ru/topic/police_state-534/ (yeah, wouldn't you know that RUSSIA has to point this out to us)

Susan, yes.  But anyone who is really paying attention, he is even worse, with the policies he is pushing.  Like his cafe standards, the small increment in 13 years.  We will have passed the tipping point by then.  And of course, we won't disucess the nukes and his Liquified Coal Bill.

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Mary, as much as I try, they aren't there.  And as he won't 

be able to enter the race for the Early states, as they are a month away,

 I will have to let the suppporters of the existing candidates deal with their ? 

candidates and wait to see what I will have to make a choice out of in when it comes to voting in a year a years time and hope

the landscape of what we are seeing now, will have changed dramatically.

A year away is a long time

And I am anxiously awaiting as Mr. Gore gets more involved and holds that

Presidential forum in New Hampshire next month on global Warming.and

 energy.  Of course, being Obama has already said and has followed

 through as Monica showed, he doesn't plan on attending anymore debates

or Forums that he did not already agree to with the DNC, and THAT's it.  So 

that REALLY gives him another X next to his name. 

The top two candidates' signs and bumper stickers in my little community are:

Obama and Ron Paul. I was downtown Seattle on Saturday and saw tons of Obama stickers - not one Hillary sticker. LOL - who is being polled exactly?

Sorry folks, RICH text still doesn't work and cuts off.

repost

Susan, yes. But for anyone who is really paying attention, he is even worse, with the policies he is pushing. Like his cafe standards, the small increment in 13 years. We will have passed the tipping point by then. And of course, we won't disucess the nukes and his Liquified Coal Bill.



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Mary, as much as I try, they aren't there. And as he won't
be able to enter the race for the Early states, as they are a month away, I will have to let the suppporters of the existing candidates deal with their ? candidates and wait to see what I will have to make a choice out of in when it comes to voting in a year a years time and hope the landscape of what we are seeing now, will have changed dramatically.

A year away is a long time

And I am anxiously awaiting as Mr. Gore gets more involved and holds that Presidential forum in New Hampshire next month on global Warming and energy. Of course, being Obama has already said and has followed through as Monica showed, he doesn't plan on attending anymore debates or Forums that he did not already agree to with the DNC, and THAT's it. So that REALLY gives him another X next to his name.

just popping in to post the latest mark fiore.

Welcome back, rdorgan!

http://www.markfiore.com/darn_dictator_0 

Oh and Susan, I don't eat meat either. And, it was mainly because of my influence when meeting my hubby when I was 17. But he has since liked to dive in to it every once and a while, when he has a yen. Not me. But the good wife I am, I still make some mighty fine meatballs.

Now, for the past several years I have been cooking him a turkey once a year being he enjoys that, too. This time I really had a problem with it, even though I bought an Organic,Natural, Free Range and Vegan bird. Which brings me to the question that no one has been able to answer. Why would someone be concerned that their Turkey is a Vegan if they are going to be eating the meat of the Turkey? Things that make you go hmmm.

Anyhoo, I think listening to PETA on AAR really made me even more sensitive to it and I called our Turkey Heidi. And I kept making sad faces. I told Neil Heidi gave her life for his stomach. And tellng him Heidi missed on her bikini wax and I found some left over (feathers?). Neil conceded, "I see this is going to be our last Turkey". :)

Well, it's been fun...hey SEA!!!

__________________________________

yes, Rd welcome home. Happy you had (mostly) good times in SL





Ciao for now folks.

http://www.cadem.org/

US, Iraq Deal Sees Long-Term US Presence

By BEN FELLER – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush on Monday signed a deal setting the foundation for a potential long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq, with details to be negotiated over matters that have defined the war debate at home — how many U.S. forces will stay in the country, and for how long.

The agreement between Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki confirms that the United States and Iraq will hash out an "enduring" relationship in military, economic and political terms. Details of that relationship will be negotiated in 2008, with a completion goal of July, when the U.S. intends to finish withdrawing the five combat brigades sent in 2007 as part of the troop buildup that has helped curb sectarian violence.

"What U.S. troops are doing, how many troops are required to do that, are bases required, which partners will join them — all these things are on the negotiating table," said Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, President Bush's adviser on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The proposal underlines how the United States and Iraq are exploring what their relationship might look like once the U.S. significantly draws down its troop presence. It comes as a Democratic Congress — unsuccessfully, so far — prods Bush to withdraw troops faster than he wants. ...full article: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcWJu...

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 Dennis Kucinich will be in Charlottesville VA on Friday, December 7th.  This will be his Virginia event, and we'll promote it statewide

This is our opportunity to support a candidate who is working to end the funding of the occupation of Iraq, to prevent an aggressive war on Iran, to impeach Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, to create single-payer health care, to end NAFTA, to move us to green energy, and to provide free tuition for college students.  There is no better way we can advance this agenda than by supporting this candidate when he visits Charlottesville.

Washington - The CIA leak investigation is "not over," special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said Friday after announcing charges against I. Lewis "Scooter" ...

How many years ago was that? 

..just a warning, Holland America has really declined...BIG TIME.

the one thing I can say was good...

I posted 73 (time-stamped as 6:13) at 6:33 pm

But Sitka doesn't think that's relevant.

oops, sorry, that is big.

yell while I'm gone. ciao

.. 

Linda wrote "And Mr. Gore has said it several times that he may not endorse anyone, considering he is very disappointed in their lack of discussing the issue, let alone in the importance it should be."

This successfully avoids my question in total.  As you know, Gore has said it is likely that he will endorse one of the candidates.  Of course he may not, but I was wondering who would he endorse if he did, since he may, and John Heilemann said it will be Obama, most likely in December.

Al Gore is my dream candidate but what if he doesn't run? Time is running out - who do you think you could support?

I'll support no one and vote as I see fit when the day comes. 

New thread.

I posted 73 (time-stamped as 6:13) at 6:33 pm

But Sitka doesn't think that's relevant.

For those obsessed with clocks. 

No Tom, Al Gore has said he probably won't endorse anyone.  You keep riding on one question Harvard asked him in the middle of their honors interview when he replied back then "probably".  You seem to want ignor every interview since where he specifically has stated he probably won't and gave reasons.  You are ignoring the reality and I adressed your question very specifically.  I'm sorry you just don't like the answer.

Linda wrote: " You seem to want ignor every interview since where he specifically has stated he probably won't and gave reasons.  You are ignoring the reality and I adressed your question very specifically.  I'm sorry you just don't like the answer."

I can't be very well ignoring interviews when I've never heard them or heard of them.  However, I posted the link to to Heilemann's prediction which was six weeks ago.  That doesn't suggest I don't like some answer, as you put it.