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Written by: Monica Smith on Nov 24, 2007 11:40 AM EST

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The first weekend in November, Granite State Independent Living, along with a half dozen sponsors and over two dozen supporting organizations, held a bi-partisan presidential candidate forum in Manchester, New Hampshire. Perhaps because some of the Republican candidates hadn't yet committed themselves, only two were invited and only John McCain actually participated via a conference call. Perhaps Rudolph Giuliani, having struggled to overcome some significant disabilities without, apparently, much success, decided that bragging about things he hadn't actually done would not go over well before such an audience.

Before you jump to any conclusion, let me explain that I came away from the Forum with the sudden awareness that everyone has some disability, something they're not able to accomplish because of some physical, psychological or emotional impediment and that the only thing differentiating the so-called "disability community" is their ability to accept their limitations instead of trying to hide them. Which, it would be my guess, makes them a bit more honest than the rest of us.

One wonders what a difference it would have made for our nation, and the globe for that matter, if George W. Bush weren't compelled to hide his insecurity and incompetence behind an insolent bravado. At a minimum, I suspect, there would be close to a million Iraqis preserved from the experience of a pre-mature death.
John McCain, of course, has made a virtual career out of the disabilities visited on him by his captors in Viet Nam and has, in his own person, realized the goals of the Forum, Equality, Opportunity and Access. Which, again, is what all Americans strive for, when you come right down to it.

 




Of the eight Democratic presidential candidates only Barack Obama was a no-show. He didn't even, unlike John Edwards who had a conflict in his schedule, dispatch a surrogate to address this large (over six hundred people attended) community of advocates, whose goals would seem to be so entirely consistent with his own. While it's true that some segments of the African American civil rights community seem to think that their issues have been co-opted by the physically handicapped and even feminists, one would hope that Barack Obama has not bought into that perspective. That we all benefit when the least of us are advantaged is as true now as when it was propounded over two thousand years ago.

Hilary Clinton, who was also in the state that day to file her candidate application with the New Hampshire Secretary of State, was first on the Forum agenda and I arrived just as her presentation was ending. So, I'll have to rely on the transcript of her speech made public by the campaign, minus whatever questions were put to her. (Presumably, there were questions since she promised there would be time for them after her "few remarks").

However, perhaps because of my new-found realization that we are all equal in our difference and our disabilities (and special talents), Clinton's focus, to my mind, leaves much to be desired. When she says,
We want both kindness and justice for people with disabilities.

Disability rights are civil rights – the right to be treated equally. They are human rights – the right of all people to fulfill their God-given potentials. And they are an urgent issue for America – because America will never achieve our potential until all Americans can achieve theirs.
I'm prompted to respond that while kindness has to do with an attitude of beneficence that's undeserved and justice, being responsive to what someone has done, is deserved, neither of these virtues grows out of a recognition that humans are entitled; that both human and civil rights (their relationship with the state) exist ab initio--that because humans are humans and reside in a particular place, they're entitled to equality, opportunity and access without having to do anything in return. To suggest that all people are are to "fulfill their . . . potentials" not only suggests that rights are conditioned on the correction of some flaw, but really confuses a right with an obligation. Never mind that "to be treated equally" is not the same as having one's equality recognized.
It's been my contention for some time that Republicans, and neo-conservatives in particular, presume that "all men are created evil and must be made good" for the simple reason that it justifies their imposition of social control. You could say that, ab initio, they deny the social compact humans enter into for their mutual benefit. "Fulfill their potential" strikes me as just a kinder and gentler way of saying that human beings, as the Good Lord made them, aren't very good.
Since I don't have the other candidates' speeches to refer to and quote verbatim, it would be unfair to critique Clinton's paragraph by paragraph. However, I don't think I can let this pass:
When I am President, my White House will welcome you. Our government will be a partner with you. And new opportunities will be open to you.
Whoever is president, the White House is the house of the people and the government is the people and public officials are merely our agents. It's not a partnership, Senator Clinton. We're all equal, but when it comes to employment, the employees are subordinate to their employers, who, in this case, happen to be the American people.

Somehow, our public officials seem to have acquired a deficit which makes it difficult for them to have a clear understanding of who's responsible for doing what for and to whom. Maybe it's catching. But, it's clearly evident in a statement such as the following:
My plan requires insurance companies to compete based on cost and quality, not how skillfully they can exclude patients with the greatest medical needs.
Aside from the fact that the President of the United States can't require insurance companies to do anything and "cost and quality" aren't really relevant to insurance policies, but rather to the health care they aren't providing anyway, "medical needs" are either met by medical care providers, or not. Which the bureaucrat-in-chief of the federal government can't control either, unless we give him/her the money and insist on quality care as a standard. As one of our New Hampshire candidates for the United State Senate has made clear, we all pay for whatever health care is being delivered. What's missing is an efficient payment system and adequate standards to assure high quality care.

Perhaps it's unfair to make the point, but Hillary Clinton's speech was largely about what she would do for the distressed and disadvantaged and the disabled. Chris Dodd, in contrast, brought along his sister Carolyn as an example of what a person who's blind from birth can accomplish for herself, if she's not held back--to be specific, a forty year career as an educator in the Connecticut public schools. And, not inconsequentially, because of her insistance that she needed a little brother, the contribution of a life-long public servant as a Peace Corps volunteer, United States Representative and, for the last twenty-six years, a member of the United States Senate.

Some people lead by harranguing; others by the example of their actions. It took Chris Dodd seven years to persuade the Congress to pass the Family and Medical Leave Act and he still hasn't succeeded in persuading the country that it isn't enough to hold people's jobs for them while they take care of a newborn or a sick relative. Which is probably why he's aiming for the bully pulpit of the presidency to argue that such leave should be paid, not least because family-based health care is both preventive and a lot more efficient and effective. As it stands now, the two trillion dollar a year monster we call our health care system doesn't even include all the time people waste failing to get the care they really need.

To his credit, Chris Dodd didn't shy away from the Help America Vote Act, despite the fact that it hasn't turned out as he expected--as a boon to handicapped voters and a more accurate tally of all elections.

Although we're all familiar with the saying that
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
what really makes the difference is whether the negative consequences suffered by someone else were simply overlooked, discounted, or actively orchestrated by malefactors who recognized an opportunity for making mischief. It's the latter which seems to be the case in the matter of the electronic vote tallying machines proposed and paid for by the Help America Vote Act as originally proposed by Chris Dodd. While there's now almost univerasl agreement among election activists that the electronic machines that were supposed to make it easy for people with disabilities to register their vote in private and increase access, as well as the accuracy of the counts, it seems to have been generally overlooked that the software would be easy to hack in order to change the votes. And while it's always possible to argue that one shouldn't buy a pig in a poke, the reality is that most people don't know how these machines work and didn't expect that the elections systems would be run by crooks.
It's taken a while to realize that the merging of the private and public sector was mainly designed to facilitate surreptitous behavior. Or, to put it another way, to get back to the good old days when the main interest of public officials was in arranging for the transfer of public assets into private wealth (think oil leases and mineral rights and rights of way for railroads). It makes sense that if doling out public assets to relatives and cronies is the main government function, there's really little reason to collect taxes.
Joe Biden was the final candidate I was able to hear in person and it was his presentation that pulled it all together for me as a matter of universal principles. Equality, opportunity and access---Joe Biden rolled them all up with the concept of dignity. I suppose in the Catholic tradition it would be equivalent to the belief that, since we are all God's children, the godhead in us is entitled to being respected and honored, or dignified.

Like some of the other speakers, Joe Biden promised to carry out the legislative mandate of the Americans with Disabilities Act and the intent of the IDEA, including full funding for teachers with special skills. That the veterans returning from the Iraqi and Afghan engagements represent a huge wave of newly disabled individuals which the Veterans Administration is not prepared to help is a growing concern and yet another reason for a comprehensive reform of our health care system. There's no disputing that veterans should not have to travel great distances to access the care they need. The fact that our veterans have definitively demonstrated themselves to be deserving of care and still don't get it not only undermines the argument that obedience is rewarded, but shows it up to be a total fraud--a fraud that was in full view yet again last Tuesday when George W. Bush, in his pre-Thanksgiving TV interview, tried to lay blame for the plight of the "vets" on a bureaucracy he's supposedly been directing for the last seven years.

If the inability to recognize who's actually responsible for doing what to or for whom is indeed, as it sometimes seems, catching, lets make sure that the next person elected to the White House hasn't got it. People with mental disabilities should not be in charge of directing the federal bureaucracy. That's clearly an accommodation that's gone too far.

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By FRED from OR on Nov 24, 2007 12:08 PM EST

Dean's words are first, don't forget them

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http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23065...

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By Monica Smith on Nov 25, 2007 9:09 AM EST

Answer to puzzler question:

Too many consonnants in their last names.  CLEGG and DODD 

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 9:13 AM EST

NEW BEST FRIENDS?

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 9:24 AM EST

CHOMSKY ON IRAN--DEMS TAKE NOTE!!

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=46272

...... suppose it was true that Iran is helping insurgents in Iraq. I mean, wasn’t the United States helping insurgents when the Russians invaded Afghanistan? Did we think there was anything wrong with that? I mean, Iraq's a country that was invaded and is under military occupation. You can't have a serious discussion about whether someone else is interfering in it. The basic assumption underlying the discussion is that we own the world. So if we invade and occupy another country, then it's a criminal act for anyone to interfere with it. What about the nuclear weapons? I mean, are there countries with nuclear weapons in the region? Israel has a couple of hundred nuclear weapons. The United States gives more support to it than any other country in the world. The Bush administration is trying very hard to push through an agreement that not only authorizes India's illegal acquisition of nuclear weapons but assists it.

The real reasons for the attack on Iran, the sanctions, and so on go back into history. I mean, we like to forget the history; Iranians don't. In 1953, the United States and Britain overthrew the parliamentary government and installed a brutal dictator, the Shah, who ruled until 1979. And during his rule, incidentally, the United States was strongly supporting the same programs they're objecting to today. In 1979, the population overthrew the dictator, and since then the United States has been essentially torturing Iran. First it tried a military coup. Then it supported Saddam Hussein during Iraq's invasion of Iran, which killed hundreds of thousands of people. Then, after that was over, the United States started imposing harsh sanctions on Iran. And now it's escalating that. The point is: Iran is out of control. You know, it's supposed to be a U.S.-client state, as it was under the Shah, and it's refusing to play that role.

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By donna in evanston on Nov 26, 2007 9:29 AM EST
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NEW BEST FRIENDS? 

 NO.  EIGHT YEAR OLD PICTURE TAKEN PRE: STOLEN ELECTION.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 9:35 AM EST

RON PAUL SHAMES DEMOCRATS

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/68631/

How damning is that it takes a libertarian Republican to remind the leading Democratic candidates of the costs of the Iraq war?

What can you get for a trillion bucks? Or make that $1.6 trillion, if you take the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as tallied by the majority staff of Congress' Joint Economic Committee (JEC). Or is it the $3.5-trillion figure cited by Ron Paul, whose concern about the true cost of this war for ordinary Americans shames the leading Democrats, who prattle on about needed domestic programs that will never find funding because of future war-related government debt?

Given that the overall defense budget is now double what it was when President Bush's father presided over the end of the Cold War -- even though we don't have a militarily sophisticated enemy in sight -- you have to wonder how this president has managed to exceed Cold War spending levels. What has he gotten for the trillions wasted? Nothing, when it comes to capturing Osama bin Laden, bringing democracy to Iraq or preventing oil prices from tripling and enriching the ayatollahs of Iran while messing up the American economy.

That money could have paid for a lot of things we could have used here at home. As Rep. Paul points out, for what the Iraq war costs, we could present each family of four a check for $46,000 -- which exceeds the $43,000 median household income in his Texas district. He asks: "What about the impact of those costs on education, the very thing that so often helps to increase earnings? Forty-six thousand dollars would cover 90 percent of the tuition costs to attend a four-year public university in Texas for both children in that family of four. But, instead of sending kids to college, too often we're sending them to Iraq, where the best news in a long time is they [the insurgents] aren't killing our men and women as fast as they were last month."

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By Phil Specht on Nov 26, 2007 9:26 AM EST
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By Annilow on Nov 26, 2007 9:40 AM EST

http://tinyurl.com/ynoy8c

This is a link to an unsettling article on Frommer's this morning about trouble w/ our credit cards in Europe. Seems the Europeans have gone to a new style credit card embedded w/ some kind of chip. While the old fashioned (our) swipable cards STILL WORK some shopkeepers (the article cites British pubs) won't take the American cards thinking they won't work. A possible help is to call your CC company before you leave and get a 4 digit PIN from them. Apparently shopkeepers might be more apt to take your card if you have the PIN. Why do I care? I'm going over on the 9th, worthless American $ notwithstanding. There are perils in planning too far in advance.

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By Annilow on Nov 26, 2007 9:42 AM EST

Meta-scold (to borrow a phrase from KOS): When you encounter and Howard a new thread, it is considered thoughtful to leave a note on the previous thread saying NEW THREAD. The REALLY polite also leave a link to the new thread.

Old schoolteachers never die, they just scold away.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 9:44 AM EST

BAD, WORSE, WORST, AND BEYOND..........

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112607J.shtml

Once upon a time there was Bad, and there was Worse, and there was Worst, and that used to be it. Those were the only parameters necessary when the time came to assess the severity of a given situation and decide if the thing was merely wrong, actually dangerous, or just plan ridiculous. Bad, for example, was Gerald Ford's full pardon of Richard Nixon.

Worse, by comparison, was Oliver North's sale of missiles to the same Iranian government that killed more than two hundred Marines in Beirut back in '83, followed by his illegal funneling of that sale's proceeds to fund a pack of kill-crazy fascists in Central America.

 As for Worst, well ... that's simple enough. Worst was a box in the cargo hold of Air Force One that left Dallas with John Kennedy inside of it, and was the blood pooling beneath Robert Kennedy's head as he lay dying on a dirty kitchen floor in California, and was Martin Luther King Jr. shot dead through the throat on some inconsequential Memphis hotel balcony, and was Medgar Evars shot dead in his driveway while his wife and children watched and wailed, and was Malcom Little who became Malcolm X who became El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz before a dozen gunshots put him down like Evers to die before the eyes of his wife and children.

Worst was as terrible as it could get, or so it was believed, until now, until the creation of a new fourth category became unavoidably necessary.  As such, the new category is titled Beyond.

 Beyond, for starters, is the fact nearly every American citizen stands surrounded by a confluence of mortal perils that threaten to completely unravel and eviscerate their country. Nearly every American will be severely and painfully affected should these dangers turn lethal ... and yet hardly anyone in America actually knows this. Almost nobody understands or recognizes the cocked and loaded gun pressed against their collective head, even as the trigger is slowly yet steadily squeezed and there are live rounds sitting in the chamber waiting for the hammer to drop.

    One of those bullets is named George, just like his father, and he is an unimaginably dangerous fellow. People still don't know that the man sitting in the Oval Office of the White House is actively working to destroy all the American government he can get his hands on, because doing so is literally the bedrock of what passes for his political ideology. Many newsroom pundits saw him veto legislation to provide twelve million children with health insurance, but brushed it off as nothing more than the act of a standard-issue fiscal conservative. A renegade few on other news shows believed his veto was actually motivated by the need to snatch the cash set aside by the bill, so he could keep feeding the financial beast his disastrous Iraq war has become.

        Bush vetoed those bills for one reason and one reason only: They were going to create government programs that worked. The very idea is rank heresy for privatizers like Bush, whose ultimate goal is to privatize everything from Social Security to health care to the pigeons in the park, because that's where the money his friends and constituents have been lusting after can be found.

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 9:35 AM EST

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Thanks Donna for clearing up confusion.
John has joked...harshly..., lol.

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 9:39 AM EST

By LIZ MARLANTES and GREG McCOWN
Nov. 25, 2007

Forget the Mideast peace talks. A meeting that may require even greater diplomacy will take place Monday in the Oval Office, when President Bush receives America's Nobel Prize winners — including his one-time rival, Al Gore.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3911269&page=1

Bush to Welcome Gore to White House

Former Political Rivals Meet as Nobel Prize Winners are Honored
VIDEO
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3911269&page=1

Ah, the irony. Bush has to suck it up and honor Gore for a prize Bush isn't likely to ever win. Gore's star is rising while Bush's is falling. If you believe in karma coming back to bite you, this is it. Congrats, Al Gore. 

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 9:43 AM EST

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RON PAUL SHAMES DEMOCRATS

...As Rep. Paul points out, for what the Iraq war costs, we could present each family of four a check for $46,000 -- which exceeds the $43,000 median household income in his Texas district.

He asks: "What about the impact of those costs on education, the very thing that so often helps to increase earnings? Forty-six thousand dollars would cover 90 percent of the tuition costs to attend a four-year public university in Texas for both children in that family of four. But, instead of sending kids to college, too often we're sending them to Iraq, where the best news in a long time is they [the insurgents] aren't killing our men and women as fast as they were last month."
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Seems in absolute dissonance to how very many people (including members of THIS "progressive" blog understand true "values" REPUBLICAN!!!..., lol, candidate Ron Paul represents.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 9:56 AM EST

JIM KUNSTLER--HIS USUAL CHEERY SELF

(I BELIEVE HIM)

http://www.kunstler.com/

   The great debate among those of us on the Economy Deathwatch seems to be whether the debacle we observe around us will resolve as a crash or a slow-motion financial train wreck. It seems to me that at every layer of the system, we're susceptible to both -- in tradable paper, institutional legitimacy, individual solvency, productive activity, real employment, "consumer" behavior, and energy resources. Some things are crashing as I write.


The dollar is losing about a cent every three weeks against other currencies. A penny doesn't seem like much, but keep that pace up for another year and the world's "reserve currency" becomes the world's reserve toilet paper. Oil prices are poised to enter the triple-digit realm, the psychological effect of which may be jarring to 200 million not-so-happy motorists. The value of chipboard-and-vinyl houses is tanking beyond question. Of course, the government's consumer price inflation figures and employment numbers are dismissed broadly as lacking credence. But anybody who has bought a bag of onions and a jar of jam lately knows that things are way up in the supermarket aisles, and so many illegal Mexican migrants were employed in the Sunbelt housing boom, that their absence in the bust won't register on any chart.


I must say, at the risk once again of sounding extreme, that the structural and systemic sickness in the finance realm is now so severe that it is hard to imagine we will get through the month of December without some major trauma in the markets. In fact, I'd go so far as to predict a thousand-point drop (or more) in the Dow just in this week after Thanksgiving. Real wealth "out there" is evaporating like popsicles dropped on the floor of Hell's fifth circle. It is coming out of the system whether the Big Boyz or anybody else likes it or not, and its absence will assert itself.


At the risk of sounding even more extreme, I would be hard put to believe any reports that "consumer" spending in the days following Thanksgiving will match the hopes and wishes of economic officialdom. My own hunch is that average Americans are so maxed out on debt that they don't know whether to shit or go blind. Perhaps lot of them are willing to take a last step into fatal insolvency in order to put a plasma TV screen under the Christmas tree and appear as heroes to their families. If that's the case, it would only imply a greater bloodbath in credit card default thundering through the system in February and March, which would only deepen the carnage in collateralized debt instruments further up the food chain.

That stuff probably has a long way to unwind, even as the "train" of losses hits the immovable obstacle of reality and the "boxcars" of consequence fly off the rails. The slow-motion train wreck could sweep away an awful lot of familiar things in its path -- banks, companies, government-sponsored enterprises, whole industries, whole economies, nations, up to and including the prospects for civilized existence, if severe hardship leads to war, which it often does.

To some extent, the speed and severity of the financial train wreck will occur in a mutually reinforcing relation to what happens in the oil markets. The rise in price is only the mildest symptom of growing instability for the system that allocates the world's most critical resource. Even in the face of "demand destruction," weird changes are occurring in the way that the oil producers do business. The decline in export rates and the new spirit of "oil nationalism" will take center stage now, even if the US economy seizes up. These phenomena will represent a new cycle in world affairs: the global contest for remaining fossil fuel resources.

Sooner rather than later, the next symptom will appear: spot shortages around the US and hoarding behavior. This is what will finally wake the American public out of its long sleepwalk (and Matthew Simmons said this first, by the way) -- when the lines form at the gas stations and the tempers flare and the handguns come out of the glove compartments.
     
     

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By Sitka on Nov 26, 2007 9:47 AM EST
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If you knew that pic is from 8 years ago, then shame on you. If you didn't, everybody makes mistakes. 

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By Sitka on Nov 26, 2007 9:49 AM EST

He asks: "What about the impact of those costs on education, the very thing that so often helps to increase earnings? Forty-six thousand dollars would cover 90 percent of the tuition costs to attend a four-year public university in Texas for both children in that family of four.

That option seems disingenous from a politician who wants to do away with funding for education. 

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 9:50 AM EST

Speaking of on topic and opportunities for disabled.   Situations matter.  When I was living a year in Seattle area, A driver (which also lends to the conversation of getting drivers licenses locally-as this resident from Pakistan drove in to the apartment gates, before driving in to a person)  a young active man who owned a landscpaing business was crushed between a van and his truck, right below my apartment.  I still have the blanken I put around him.  One leg was severed.  And he was of course a very active man, hiking, sky diviing, an active business, now forever changed.  Talk about full ciricle, I tried to find out much information about how he was doing, but no one would disclose that.  Right before leaving for Cincinnati, we had a worker from the same (unknown) landscaping company ran in to our parked car and they had to send someone over to us to talk.  A knock at our door and we opened it fo fined Stanley standing there.  I yelped and ran over.  He said he remembered me 

and gave me a hug.  He received a lot of great care and a prostetic.  

He is now learning to do the things he loves, with his changed body.

 

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By Sitka on Nov 26, 2007 9:51 AM EST

(I BELIEVE HIM)

He's a regular Nostradamus.

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 9:52 AM EST

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Ah, the irony. Bush has to suck it up and honor Gore for a prize Bush isn't likely to ever win. Gore's star is rising while Bush's is falling. If you believe in karma coming back to bite you, this is it. Congrats, Al Gore.
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Well, that means John hasn't joked?!

"Congrats Al Gore" WITH WHAT?
Something unnatural, not sincere will happen while both in handshake.

Nothing good usually comes from insincere things!

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 10:00 AM EST

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That option seems disingenous from a politician who wants to do away with funding for education.
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...or might it turned out that it's something wrong with our (progressives') understanding of that politician, his proposals and term "funding for education"?

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By Sitka on Nov 26, 2007 10:04 AM EST

...or might it turned out that it's something wrong with our (progressives') understanding of that politician, his proposals and term "funding for education"?

If it is otherwise, you should inform rather than pose a question.

Ron Paul on Education

 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 26, 2007 10:25 AM EST

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John has joked...harshly..., lol.

 

No, former, John has not joked. He posted something deliberately meant to deceive!

Thanks Donna for finding the info. I tried to track it down but couldn't get the property link to go anywhere.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 26, 2007 10:29 AM EST

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Great story Linda NM. It's good Stanely is doing well despite the accident.

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 26, 2007 10:32 AM EST

Senator Trent Lott (R) TN has just announced he is retiring by the end of the year.

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 10:48 AM EST

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Sitka
Mon, 11/26/07
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...or might it turned out that it's something wrong with our (progressives') understanding of that politician, his proposals and term "funding for education"?
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If it is otherwise, you should inform rather than pose a question.
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I think, when I'm posing question regarding sometimes not so obvious, as I think, issue - I'm prompting for discussion (for "debate"), which may (or may not) yield commonly accepted position on that issue.
Doing otherwise (e.g. "informing" only), without discussing seems to me kind of ignorant toward bloggers.

That's why I'm posing question rather than informing only on the issues which, I think, only on a surface might look simple and obvious.

As for the essence of the current discussion:
Here is the quote (I've found the most relevant) from the page that was referred:

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Abolish the federal Department of Education.
Paul adopted the Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement:

As adopted by the General Membership of the Republican Liberty Caucus at its Biannual Meeting held December 8, 2000.
WHEREAS libertarian Republicans believe in limited government, individual freedom and personal responsibility;
WHEREAS we believe that government has no money nor power not derived from the consent of the people;
WHEREAS we believe that people have the right to keep the fruits of their labor; and
WHEREAS we believe in upholding the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land;

BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Liberty Caucus endorses the following [among its] principles:
The US Department of Education should be abolished, leaving education decision making at the state, local or personal level.
Parents have the right to spend their money on the school or method of schooling they deem appropriate for their children.
Source: Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement 00-RLC2 on Dec 8, 2000
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I see no contradiction between "freedom" Libertarians declare and the Abolishment of the federal Department of Education AS INSTITUTION SET UP BY GOVERNMENT!!!

NOWHERE those Libertarians declare support TO PROHIBIT People (NOT GOVERNMENT!!!) to setup teachers unions, teachers associations, or any other form of teachers' collaborations and cooperations tools to improve quality (and/or to lower cost) of community education. (note also, the word "community" here has no principal geographical limits).

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:02 AM EST

Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 11/26/07
9:39 am

Reply to this there on the same team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:03 AM EST
A Globalist Thanksgiving: Toxic Turkeys

Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
November 25, 2007

Our rulers are fond of telling us there’s no going back, that neoliberal globalism is here to stay. Keeping that in mind, you should be thankful for your toxic turkey, delivered courtesy of the Wuhan Food Exportation Company, China.

“Officials from a major food exporter in China apologized to American consumers today for shipping over 70 million poisonous turkeys to the U.S. early last week, but indicated that it was ‘too late’ for a recall of their toxic food product,” writes Andy Borowitz. “At a press conference on Saturday to discuss what went wrong with the shipment of turkeys, Wuhan officials revealed that the birds had been fed an experimental combination of birdseed, lead pellets, and date-rape drugs.”

Yum, I’ll have seconds.

“Going forward, we’re going to skip the lead pellets,” said Qiu Liangyong, the company’s public relations director. I guess this means the date-rape drug will remain?

“At the conclusion of the press conference, Qiu indicated that he was ‘confident’ that the company could regain U.S. consumers’ trust in time for the Christmas season: ‘We have 80 million delicious Christmas hams just waiting to be shipped.’”

In other words, the Chinese are counting on the amnesia of the American consumer. It’s all about price, as a trip to the local Walmart makes painfully obvious. Americans are less concerned with slave labor and toxic materials in their food so long as the price is right.

In fact, most Americans will remain woefully ignorant of the toxic turkey fiasco, thanks to the fact this story was not reported by the corporate media. A Google news search of “Wuhan Food Exportation Company” produced one result, linked above. It appeared on the Huffington Post website, not the New York Times.

The Google search, however, with the criteria “date-rape turkeys,” linked to a story about children’s toys laced with liquid ecstasy:

The next time you see your infant enjoying a new made-in-China toy, you might want to check to make sure he’s not having too much of a good time: A recent discovery reveals that toys called “Aqua Dots” are coated with a chemical similar to liquid ecstasy. When children eat the Aqua Dots (which they’re not supposed to do, but they’re children, after all), they go into an ecstasy-induced coma. Six children have fallen ill in Australia where the toys are marketed as Bindeez. Manufacturers and distributors of the product are pulling it off the shelves in North America and around the world. It’s the latest in a long string of health scares from Mainland China’s product manufacturers.

The American Chronicle hits the nail square on the head: “The truth in all this is stupidly obvious: The U.S. government really has no interest in protecting consumers from corporations. Whether we’re talking Big Pharma, food companies, toy manufacturers or even financial issues, virtually the entire United States government is aligned against consumers in a pro-business stance that sacrifices the lives of Americans for corporate profits. While there are minor exceptions to this, the big agencies that are supposed to protect consumers (FDA, EPA, FTC, FCC, etc.) have spent the last several years kow-towing to the interests of wealthy, influential corporations rather than protecting the interests of consumers.”

Of course the FDA, EPA, FTC, FCC, and other alphabet government agencies are “kow-towing to the interests of wealthy, influential corporations,” as that’s their purpose.

More than ever, the old adage comes into play: the customer beware.

“There’s only one person in the running for the next presidential election who even has a shot at reversing this, and that’s Ron Paul. But even if he were to get elected, he would be walking into a quagmire of politics, corruption, back-door dealing and criminal conspiracy at the highest levels.”

It’s not clear what a Ron Paul presidency would do for consumer protection against Chinese-made imports, but it’s crystal clear that U.S. consumers would be freer, wealthier and healthier under Ron Paul’s policies than those of any other potential presidential candidate. That’s why people who believe in freedom (real freedom, not the George Bush version of freedom) are wholeheartedly supporting Ron Paul, regardless of whether they’re Democrats, Republicans or Libertarians.

In other words, it is a distinct possibility, with less of their income going to a parasitical federal government, the average American might not be reduced to shopping at slavemart.

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:06 AM EST
Legal NORFED Coins Targeted for Ron Paul, Stop the War Messages

Lodi News-Sentinel
November 24, 2007

This was the headline of an AP news story appearing in the News-Sentinel on Nov. 17. FBI agents raided the offices of NORFED which produces coins and paper currency. The coins and paper currency look nothing like the officially minted coins and printed currency and they are not advertised by the company as legal tender.

The company has been in business for 10 years and they have not been targeted by the U.S. government until now. In fact, both the United States Mint and the Federal Reserve have admitted that what the company was doing was perfectly legal.

What is the reason for the raid by the FBI if the company had been operating lawfully for nearly 10 years?

Earlier this year the company began minting two new coins, the 2008 “Peace Dollar” with the words “STOP THE WAR” on the reverse side and the 2008 coin commemorating the presidential campaign of Ron Paul. The Feds just have to stop Representative Ron Paul somehow, since he is the only presidential candidate who is pro-liberty.

Ron Paul refused to support the war with Iraq and has supported constitutional amendments eliminating both the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service. Our federal government will stop at nothing to eliminate anything which hinders its plan to establish a complete dictatorship. Please google “NORFED” and/or “Liberty Dollar” and check out Ron Paul’s Web site at http://www.ronpaul2008.com.

Cliff Shirk

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 10:54 AM EST

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John has joked...harshly..., lol.

No, former, John has not joked. He posted something deliberately meant to deceive!

Thanks Donna for finding the info. I tried to track it down but couldn't get the property link to go anywhere.
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Wait, now I'm completely confused..., lol.

Are they (Gore and Bush) intending to meet soon?

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 10:54 AM EST

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DANIEL ROONEY

"they're the same"?

 

Apparently only in YOUR dreams, where Ron Paul is sprinking

powdered koolaide over your head

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 10:55 AM EST

Thank you Donna and Joan.

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 10:57 AM EST

That link floridagal posted about Chris Bowers and his Howard Dean sign contained thoughts I think even more pertinent to what is currently happening.

 

"This post is a bit confessional, but I felt a need to say it nonetheless. Yesterday, when I was removed a four-year old Howard Dean sign from the back of my brother's car, I felt there had to be a good reason, apart from just policy, that was keeping me from making up my mind in the 2008 primary campaign. I think, in the end, it comes down to a question of trust. If I am going to really put myself on the line for a candidate, I have to trust that person even when I disagree with him or her. When it comes to the current crop of Democratic candidates, I just don't trust any of them strongly enough to volunteer for them during the primary. With only a few weeks to go, it is hard for me to see that change now." 

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 26, 2007 10:58 AM EST

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correction to my post, Trent Lott is (R) MS (not TN).

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:11 AM EST

The Bilderbergbaptism of Bill Clinton

In 1991 Bill Clinton attended the Bilderberg Conference in Baden-Baden, Germany, where Estulin asserts that he was “anointed” to the U.S. presidency, and shortly thereafter he took an unexpected, unannounced trip to Moscow. It appears, says Estulin, that he was sent there to get his KGB student-era, anti-Vietnam war files “buried” before he announced his candidacy for president which happened some two-and-a-half months later. Today, Clinton is a member of all three groups: Bilderberg, CFR, and TC. Hillary Clinton is a member of the Bilderberg Group.

Estulin points out that “almost all of the presidential candidates for both parties have belonged to at least one of these organizations, many of the U.S. congressmen and senators, most major policy-making positions, especially in the field of foreign relations, much of the press, most of the leadership of the CIA, FBI, IRS, and many of the remaining governmental organizations in Washington. CFR members occupy nearly all White House cabinet positions.”(80) When one considers that most prominent members of mainstream media are also members of what Edith Kermit Roosevelt, granddaughter of Theodore Roosevelt called “this legitimate Mafia”, how can we assert that Americans obtain their news from independent sources?

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:14 AM EST
Neocon Richard Perle Defends One Million Plus Dead in Iraq

Think Progress
November 23, 2007

Richard Perle: ‘I Don’t Believe I Was Wrong’ About Iraq

Appearing on BBC’s Hardtalk with Stephen Sackur this weekend, Iraq war architect Richard Perle attempted, on the one hand, to distance himself from the failures of the Iraq war, and on the other hand, to claim it was a fantastic success.

“I’m not happy about the way events have unfolded in Iraq,” Perle began. But when asked whether he felt a “sense of personal responsibility” for what has happened in the aftermath of the invasion, Perle said “I certainly don’t consider myself responsible” for the disastrous post-war occupation of Iraq.

Asked whether he was wrong on Iraq, Perle gave this response:

Well, I don’t believe I was wrong. Let me be very clear about that. What I think happened is that a successful invasion was turned into an unsuccessful occupation.

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:16 AM EST
Implantable Microchip Cancer Report

Cryptogon
November 22nd, 2007

Via: Anti Chips:

CASPIAN’s new report, “Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990–2006,” is a definitive review of research showing a causal link between implanted radio-frequency (RFID) microchip transponders and cancer in laboratory rodents and dogs. It was written in part to correct industry misstatements and misinformation circulating about the studies.

The report evaluates eleven articles previously published in toxicology and pathology journals. In six of the articles, between 0.8% and 10.2% of laboratory mice and rats developed malignant tumors around or adjacent to the microchips. Two additional articles reported microchip-related cancer in dogs.

In almost all cases, the malignant tumors, typically sarcomas, arose at the site of the implants and grew to surround and fully encase the devices. These fast-growing, malignant tumors often led to the death of the afflicted animals. In many cases, the tumors metastasized or spread to other parts of the animals. The implants were unequivocally identified as the cause of the cancers

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 11:12 AM EST

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Neocon Richard Perle Defends One Million Plus Dead in Iraq

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Asked whether he was wrong on Iraq, Perle gave this response:

Well, I don’t believe I was wrong. Let me be very clear about that. What I think happened is that a successful invasion was turned into an unsuccessful occupation.
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One thing only he now may suggest: "Do the same with Iran".

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By on Nov 26, 2007 11:35 AM EST
Gerald Celente: Dollar Will Fall 90 Percent

 

Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
November 24, 2007

Gerald Celente is not your garden variety doom-and-gloom crackpot. Celente, director of Trends Research Institute, forecasted the subprime mortgage financial crisis and the decline of the dollar a year ago and gold’s current rise in May. He also predicted the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis and the fall of the Soviet Union. “We are going to see economic times the likes of which no living person has seen,” he told United Press International.

Wait a minute. That includes people who lived through the so-called “Great Depression.” Does Celente think the “Panic of 2008″ will be worse than the Depression? It would appear so.

“The Panic of 2008 will lead to a lower U.S. standard of living, he said.”

“I have no crystal ball, nor do I claim to have well-developed psychic powers, but I’d be willing to bet almost anything that next Thanksgiving season will be dramatically different from this one,” writes Carolyn Baker.

We are confronting “dollar plummeting hysteria, monumental levels of debt, foreclosure, bankruptcy, unemployment, energy depletion, skyrocketing gas and food prices, illnesses treated without health insurance coverage—or just not treated, unprecedented levels of homelessness, and by all indications, within a few months into 2008, America will be well on the road to a re-run of 1929-or something inconceivably worse,” Baker frets. “These are the good ole days, my friend, and these are also the dark new days. Happy Thanksgiving; savor every bite.”

“Derivative dealers, hedge funds, buyout firms and other market players will also unravel,” Celente predicts.

Massive corporate losses, such as those recently posted by Citigroup Inc. and General Motors Corp., will also be fairly common “for some time to come,” he said.

He said he would not “be surprised if giants tumble to their deaths…”

Some giants, however, stand to gain, especially when it comes to real estate. “There is going to be a grab on this property by people who have cash, and that’s not going to be the middle class. People will lose their homes if they have large mortgages that they cannot comfortably sustain or pay off,” Jerome Corsi, economic expert and foe to the emerging North American Union told Alex Jones last August. “There’s going to be a grab where the institutions and the people already wealthy will only gain, it’s not going to be an opportunity for the average person to gain.”

Corsi believes the economic crisis now revealing itself is engineered. “It is engineered because again, the move toward globalism, the pumping of this liquidity to stimulate the markets was totally artificial.”

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 12:11 PM EST

Have you called your Senator TODAY?????????????




Published on Sunday, November 25, 2007 by CBS News
UN: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture
“Stun Guns” Are Under Fire After Six Deaths This Week; Rallies Held Demanding They Be Banned
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007...

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By * rdorgan on Nov 26, 2007 12:34 PM EST

IMO, a post worth repeating (thanks Annilow for posting it):

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I wish we would hammer the thing from McLellan the way we hammered DiFi about retroactive immunity for the telecoms. If we let it die, you can be sure the powers that be will.

Happy Thanksgiving linda b and and that's a good question about Michael Ware on CNN -- where is he.
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About time someone jumped on that! Stupid answer by Sen Obama. I'll give 'im that living abroad is enlightening, but ...!

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Paine I rarely disagree with you but I do disagree with this. One of the big reasons I'm drawn to Obama is that he has a genuine foot in the Muslim world, the black world, and the white world. He genuinely sees all these points of view and that's why he is able to reconcile people instead of polarizing them. I live in the deep South and blacks automatically put up an invisible shield when they meet me for the first time, and as a white who grew up in a segregated world, I have my own shield, which makes it very difficult to bridge the mistrust. Contrastedly, I've had a few bi-racial students in my classes. They are able to communicate with me as a white w/out that shield of mistrust and in turn I'm able to communicate with them. I don't know if this makes any sense, maybe you have to be brought up here to understand. Anyway, that's why I like Obama.

Also contrastedly (my new spell checker doesn't like that word), why doesn't someone jump on Hillary talking about her 'experience'? Being a first lady is not experience for the Presidency, any more than being the wife of an MD enables one to diagnose diseases, or being the husband of an airline pilot enables one to take over flying the plane.

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By * rdorgan on Nov 26, 2007 12:36 PM EST

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/Story?id=3892297&page=2

Bush: Clinton Understands White House Pressure  Exclusive Interview Details President's Thoughts on 2008 Race, Last Year in Office

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Asked about Obama's statement that he would meet with the leaders of rogue nations without preconditions, the president called it an "odd foreign policy" and suggested that the statement stemmed from his lack of experience.

"These candidates don't really understand is how complex the environment is inside the Oval Office," Bush said. "And how important it is to have a set of principles from which you will not deviate, and, so that you can make good sound decisions. It is impossible -- maybe not, but I think it's impossible for anybody to fully comprehend, you know, how much incoming there is into the Oval Office."

First Lady to First Lady President?

Mrs. Bush said that the experience of serving as first lady would be "very helpful" in preparing someone to become president

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By * rdorgan on Nov 26, 2007 12:41 PM EST

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http://www.nyobserver.com/2007/hillary-supporters-obama-being-muslim

Hillary Supporter on Hillary, 'Muslim' Obamaby Jason HorowitzPublished: November 23, 2007Hillary Clinton supporters Jim Bishop and his wife Shirley, in a photo taken after Clinton spoke last weekend at a Las Vegas high school.

I asked Jim Bishop at the time what he liked about Hillary more than Barack Obama or John Edwards, and he told me, "She has much more experience then either one of 'em."

Then, without prompting, Bishop said,

"And more than that, Obama is a Muslim. He went to school in Muslim schools. They taught him to hate Americans from the second grade on. I don't know how in the world he became a Senator. He was raised by a Muslim father and Muslim mother in Hawaii."

When I told him that Obama was in fact a rather devout Christian, Bishop said, "Oh, no. No way."

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By * rdorgan on Nov 26, 2007 12:48 PM EST

Well, it's good to see that the American electorate, like the Bishops, is so well informed.

It's great for my wife and I to be back again on American soil but truthfully it's not so great to come back and find still the same ignorance amongst people who should know better (wisdom does not always come with age).

I hope everyone had a great Halloween and Thanksgiving (and Veteran's Day).  Here's hoping this Christmas will have more good tidings of joy and less consumerism.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 1:06 PM EST

8,14,22

I did not know the picture was 8 years old--pulled it off Huffpo under a headline that was deceiving.

Sorry to offend.

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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:10 PM EST
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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:12 PM EST
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Before heading off for the day, I'd just like to congratulate Al Gore for having enough graciousness to meet with Bush today at 3pm.

I'm not so sure if I was in Al's shoes that I would meet with a man, who when questioned if he would watch the documentary An Inconvenient Truth, responded "Doubt it" ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3912646 ). 

IMO Al's a really decent and honorable man for agreeing to come to the meeting and the ceremony honoring Nobel Peace prize winners this year.

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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:16 PM EST
 

They Live Taser Saucer To Become A Reality
UN declares stun guns to be instruments of torture while Taser rep says "it's not real pain" and puts drone craft into development

Infowars.net | November 26 , 2007
Steve Watson

One of the biggest Taser representatives outside the US base has declared the company's intention to produce and sell internationally a small airborne drone version of the weapon that can administer electrical jolts of 50,000 volts.

Antoine di Zazzo has told the AFP that his French company is "developing a mini-flying saucer like drone which could also fire Taser stun rounds on criminal suspects or rioting crowds. He expects it to be launched next year and to be sold internationally by Taser."

The idea conjures up memories of the flying saucer spy drones from the 1988 dystopian cult classic movie They Live . The opening of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four also features the idea of police flying overhead and snooping into homes. Now this nightmare vision is set to become reality.

With 250,000 Taser stun guns in use all over the world from North America, Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand, to name just a few of 70 or so countries, it hardly takes a stretch of the imagination to foresee the take up of Taser's airborne drones.

In addition we have also seen moves by police forces around the world to test and use flying drones. Most recently controversy was raised after it was discovered that Houston police have been secretly testing spy drones that use a high-powered cameras designed to look into buildings or even follow people in moving cars.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 1:15 PM EST

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS..........

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts11262007.html

Currently, support for Bush, Cheney, and the neoconservative agenda is low. However, Congress, the press, and elections have proven to be feeble opponents of the Bush regime's drive toward war and tyranny. It remains to be seen whether the regime has sufficient credibility or audacity to initiate war with Iran or a false flag attack that would revive the fascist expansion of which Naomi Wolf warns.

The Bush administration has been a catastrophe. Its failures are unprecedented. Energy prices are at all time highs. The US is deeply in debt and dependent on foreign creditors. The dollar has lost 60 per cent of its value against other tradable currencies, and its reserve currency status, the basis of American power, is in doubt. The US has lost millions of middle class jobs which have been replaced with low paid domestic service jobs. Except for the very rich, Americans have experienced no gains in real income in the 21st century. As the ladders of upward mobility are dismantled and the middle class struggles and fails, America is left with a few rich and many poor. America's reputation and credibility are damaged perhaps beyond repair. Congress and the press have enabled the executive branch's disregard of the Constitution and civil liberty. The US is mired in two lost wars which are pushing Lebanon and nuclear-armed Pakistan into deepening political crises.

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By Linda on Nov 26, 2007 1:05 PM EST

John, even if the picture wasn't 8 years old...or 7 years old...or was taken today, do you think you inference was correct or fair?

Really, even if you take a photo of their meeting today shaking hands and smiling, would that equal a claim that they are best friends or two peas in a pod?

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By FRED from OR on Nov 26, 2007 1:21 PM EST

Wow - the blog is sure polluted today.

Monica, apparently you have no disabilities, or you would know that disabilities are obstacles that prevent one from living any kind of normal casual life, and needs a number of exeptional accomodations or functional aids to interact in society and continue routine daily functions.

According to your definition, anyone who needs reading glasses is disabled.

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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 1:21 PM EST

HOWARD'S END

http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinlay11262007.html

John Howard is gone. A mean-spirited little toady and lickspittle to the Monster Bush, Howard's end when it came was more like watching a blood sport,than an election result.

Picture the scene.

In Australia's capital, Canberra, a huge crowd had gathered on Saturday night in the National Tally Room to see the posting on an electronic scoreboard of the results for the all important 150 House of Representative seats.

When the votes began to flood in after 7.00 pm on Saturday it was soon apparent that not only was there a gathering swing across Australia against Howard conservative coalition,but in Howard's own Sydney seat of Bennelong,he was in desperate trouble.

His Labor opponent, a charismatic journalist, Maxine McHugh, urged the voters to reject Howard's reactionary policies, and to make that emphatic by throwing him out of the seat he had held since 1974.

As Howard,in the Sydney residence of the Prime Minister.watched his Ministers and others being swept away, he himself was gathered up in the flood and swept away too.

Not since 1929 had an Australia Prime Minister lost his own seat at an election.

One is reminded of the final unmasking of the Wizard of Oz,in which see the Wizard as a rather sad little man,once the curtain is pulled away.

The Australian people have finally pulled away the curtain from Bush's Deputy Sheriff. The game is over,and one of the last warriors of the Coalition of the Willing has fallen!

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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:27 PM EST
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By Huron John on Nov 26, 2007 1:26 PM EST

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY COUNTRY?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/not_sh_joel_s___071126_what_happened_to_my_.htm

What happened to my country?

Once sweet land of liberty

Now filled with lies and spending

Where selfish greed is ascending

 

What happened to my country?

Once a sweet and hallowed democracy

Now filled with malls and shills

Where politicians hawk their frills

 

What happened to my country?

Once home to freedom’s patriots

Now desecrated by plutocrats

Where Republicans rot with Democrats

 

What happened to my country?

Once pleasured with virgin green

Now stained with Starbucks and Wal-Marts

Where dollars have replaced smarts

 

What happened to my country?

Once filled with connected people

Now sprawled with monster homes

Where isolation thrives on cell phones

 

What happened to my country?

Once a healthy place where people walked

Now diseased by SUV addiction

Where children learn consumer affliction

 

What happened to my country?

Once respected and loved worldwide

Now hated, resented and feared

Where corporate greed has domineered

 

What happened to my country?

Once with decent balanced government

Now lacking politicians with intelligence

Where the President suffers self-indulgence

 

What happened to my country?

Once with courageous newspapers

Now filled with spinners and bloviators

Where we are entertained by investigators

 

What happened to my country?

Gone

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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:29 PM EST
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Wow - the blog is sure polluted today.now that your here fred!!!!!!!!

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By rich^kolker on Nov 26, 2007 1:18 PM EST

Being a first lady is not experience for the Presidency, any more than being the wife of an MD enables one to diagnose diseases, or being the husband of an airline pilot enables one to take over flying the plane.

 

Vote for Socks!

I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. 

Think we have nasty elections?  Read about what's happening over in Russia.

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By FRED from OR on Nov 26, 2007 1:32 PM EST

The Christian Science Monitor
 

One Maryland county takes tough tack on vaccinations 

UPPER MARLBORO, MD. - For the parents that converged on a courthouse in Prince George's County, Md., on Saturday morning, the choice seemed clear: Vaccinate your kids or go to jail. 

....She notes that many of the parents she met said they had lost records, and that children may have been revaccinated.

"Vaccines carry risks. Those risks are greater for some than others. At the very least there should have been screening for those children and information given to parents," Ms. Fisher adds.

"The heavy-handed 'vaccine roundup' instigated by Mr. Ivey obliterates informed consent and parental rights," said the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. in a Nov. 18 letter to Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

"Vaccines can and do save lives..... But this episode has demonstrated that we must take a much more deliberative approach in crafting and enforcing vaccine policy without sacrificing the rights and liberties of individuals and families," the letter stated....

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1119/p02s04-ussc.html

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By FRED from OR on Nov 26, 2007 1:34 PM EST
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By Michael Ellis on Nov 26, 2007 1:39 PM EST

FRED from OR
Mon, 11/26/07
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Kind of an extreme post, but I sense a tinge of humour, and at this festive time of year I am all for humour......did you watch "A Christmas Story" last night? 

Add me to that list please...........moldy bread left in the basement fits me well..cheers

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By Michael Ellis on Nov 26, 2007 1:44 PM EST

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Agreed, Gore is in a class all to himself......how was Africa?  Im embarased to ask but how did the Revolution do?   England (the lazy underachieving bunch of long eared galloots) is out of Euro 08.........bah humbug.

Watch "A Christmas Story" for a laugh this holiday season.......cheers

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By on Nov 26, 2007 1:46 PM EST

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DANIEL ROONEY

You and John Huron, and Sitka, are like Carbon Monoxide, Sulphur Dioxide, and Diox is this the new drugs your on?

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By Annilow on Nov 26, 2007 1:36 PM EST

Daniel Rooney that's a funny cartoon about the guns. Also, I don't understand the significance of the implanted transponder chips causing tumors (skipping over the Godawful fact of what we do to lab animals). Who today has implanted transponder chips in real life? Or is this drawing a reference to cellphones?

rdorgan WELCOME BACK! YOU WERE MISSED! Where's a trip report??

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By Joan* In*Florida on Nov 26, 2007 1:36 PM EST

You're gonna love the NEW THREAD and it's global warming DFA film and its naysayers.

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By * rdorgan on Nov 26, 2007 1:42 PM EST

Mike -

Thanks about inquiring about the trip to Sierra Leone.  It was exhilirating and exhausting (at times) at the same time.

It was great to get out of America for a while and see how most of the rest of the world lives ($ 5. a gallon gas, inconsistent electricity, noisy personal generators running, off and on again running water, so many sellers hawking wares on the street, so many relatives enthralled to meet my wife and me (a lot of hugging and close contact, something in New England I'm not exactly used to), and people in general smiling and helping each other, rather than whining and complaining.

As for the New England Revolution, yeah it was sad to hear of their loss (again) to the Houston Dynamo in this year's MLS Cup this past Nov 19.  (well, at least the Red Sox won the World Series and the Patriots at 11-0 and the Celtics at 9-1 have the best records in their respective NFL and NBA leagues).

Well, there's a new Front thread touting a DFA library film called "Everything's Cool...".  You might want to head over there to plug the movie "A Christmas Story" (a great film).

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By JudyforDean on Nov 26, 2007 1:56 PM EST

There's a cool new thread blowin' in the wind.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/23097...

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By former on Nov 26, 2007 1:46 PM EST

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Mon, 11/26/07
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What happened to my country?

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Nope, it's not. It is where it was.
You just never had chance to look up deeper.

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By Sitka on Nov 26, 2007 2:53 PM EST

What happened to my country?

Once sweet land of liberty

Is this referring to the time of lynchings, or the time of slavery and genocide against American Indians? 

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