Howard Dean is first and I sure hope he had a great birthday!

I can see the ad Kucinich would buy with his 10M.....

Kucinich. You KNOW he's the one you REALLY agree with. 

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Sitka
Sun, 11/18/07
10:25 pm


Kucinich. You KNOW he's the one you REALLY agree with.
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He is, again, decent person..., but I don't agree with him if he believes "good" Government can save us.

Being belated gives me the opportunity

to wish Howard a HAPPY BIRTHDAY !

Many happy more to come.

Government is the product of Society.

dennis is an ego waiting to implode.

He is, again, decent person..., but I don't agree with him if he believes "good" Government can save us.

Good government has saved many since the eras of Theodore and Franklin Roosevelts. Theodore reigned in the unregulated corporations and Franklin instituted the safety net that has saved millions from suffering and destitution.

The trouble is, the Democratic Party hasn't tried to build upon and make their work better since the 70's and the Republic Party has been allowed to undermine it to the point where people like Ron Paul can claim that government is the problem.

But government itself is not the problem. Those who been allowed to run it are, and that is a failure of the people in choosing leaders who are against their interests instead ones who will try to add and improve upon the good that was accomplished by those in an age when social responsibility meant government responsibility.

All Paul and the Libertarians want is to shirk as much responsibility as possible. 

dennis is an ego waiting to implode.

Compared to whom?

But what of his record and which of his proposals do you disagree with?

When people begin supporting and voting based on record and proposals instead of personality quirks and vacuous diversions, then we might finally get a RealDemocratic candidate.

compared to himself.

compared to himself.

They all have big egos. But I really would like to know what you disagree with him about that's substantive and not personal.

dennis doesn't run a campaign. dennis has demonstrated no ability to rally members of the house to any of his causes. what legislation has he authored that passed. what legislation has he blocked or passed due to his leadership. where has he shown that he is a leader that can persuade.

saying the right thing is only the second step.

dennis doesn't run a campaign. dennis has demonstrated no ability to rally members of the house to any of his causes. what legislation has he authored that passed. what legislation has he blocked or passed due to his leadership. where has he shown that he is a leader that can persuade.

That's substantive. But I wonder if the reason he hasn't gotten a lot of legislation passed is because the same corrupt Dems who tried to table his impeachment resolution have also tabled other good things he's put forward. Being a RealDem isn't the best way to get bills passed in a DCorporateDem Party.

But I would also add that I don't know how many of his bills have been passed and am unwilling to accept the assuption that he hasn't had any passed at face value. I 've heard that said on this blog by sevearl people, but no one has ever posted any facts to back it up.

saying the right thing is only the second step.

That's another flaw they all suffer from. Except some of the others have records of supporting the most odious aspects of Bush's agenda. 

Phil, I didn't know you knew of someone who had died in the Pentagon *plane.* So where does that leave us?  How could passengers be in a missile?  Yet why not release the tapes? 

Something doesn't smell right. 

i say let's ask his campaign. what bills has dennis passed? fair question.

as to thee wouldn't let pass...well one has to keep on, yes...


my critera:

1. i have to believe you.

2. you have to speak the truth.

3. you have to have demonstrative skills at leadership, i'e', getting it done.

4. then we talk about the issues and the details of the issues.

5. you get my support.

ok.

And where was our SecDef for 3 or so hours?  He had disappeared.

stem cells is an area where i definately disagree with dennis. after that i have as yet to hear the details of his other proposals in order to agree/disagree.

I don't want to be pushy about this to an old pal, mprov, but I really would like to know what aspects of Kucinich's voting record and current proposals you (or anyone here) disagrees with.

I could see where some might not like his change of position on abortion when he decided to become a prez candidate in 2004, or might think his Peace Dept. is a stretch, but all I ever hear people talk about is lack of accomplishment in a corrupt corporate Congress and personality complaints with him (and we here should all be wary from personal experience of denigrating candidates on personality.)

MR> Kucinich isn't a politician.  And that's a wonderful thing.  But he does talk well 'to the people' and would be a great leader.

I wanted to add this to the last Topic:

Things that have happened in the last seven years..... this one always bugged me.  But, we've been too indoctrinated and we probably don't really want to know the truth now ...it's too ugly

Michael Klare, author of the book ``Resource Wars'', which has a major focus on the oil resources in the Caspian region, said: ``We (the U.S.) view oil as a security consideration and we have to protect it by any means necessary, regardless of other considerations, other values''

The Caspian Sea region has oil and gas resources worth $4 trillion, according to the U.S. News and World Report. Mr. Cheney, as CEO of Halliburton, told oil industry executives in 1998, ``I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian''. http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/10/13/stories/05132524.htm

Blair was given a bad time in the UK - who wanted more PROOF that it was Bin Laden and they should go into Afghanistan.  Gen. Pervez Musharraf echoed Mr. Blair in stating that it was immaterial whether the ``evidence'' would stand legal scrutiny. The issue, according to him, was that ``evidence'' points towards Osama bin Laden

The Taliban government in Afghanistan didn't trust the U.S. motives, and knew about their concern for the OIL - so they wanted proof on Bin Laden, too. 

We invaded - treated the Afghanistan Army as terrorists - renamed them from POW's to 'enemy combatants' and ...you know the rest.  Byline - Iran had plans for the oil pipeline with a shorter route - but - the U>S> shut that down to keep Iran isolated.

He's right on the issues when it MATTERS, he's consistent on issues all along, and his positions reflect the beliefs and core values of REAL Democrats. He has a number of excellent bills in committee. The fact that they don't get scheduled is the same reason that impeachment doesn't get scheduled. We don't have enough Dean Dems in Congress yet. That's something we could attend to next election.

not one penny. See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/7/134016/918

stem cells is an area where i definately disagree with dennis. after that i have as yet to hear the details of his other proposals in order to agree/disagree

http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Stem_Cell_Research 

Kucinich is a co-sponsor of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007, which would lift restrictions on federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. He also voted for the 2006 version of the act, which was eventually vetoed by President Bush.

I imagine that this is an issue where he would have overwhelming support from Democrats and especially liberals -- even some Republicans. 

As for not knowing much else about him, I think you would find that most of his record and proposals are more in line with the Democratic platform that those of the others. 

I'm not trying sell Kucinich. I've even defended Hillary when bogus  or insubstantive reasons have been put forward to oppose her.

My biggest beef with Kucinich is his Iowa deal with Edwards back in 2004. It may have been politics as usual, but I just don't see how someone who really wanted to get us out of Iraq above all else and help working people could join up with a pro invasion/occupation/corporate DLCer like Edwards (as he was at the time). That's part of DK's record and it shakes my ability to have confidence in him.

But Dennis is not an invasion/occupation DLCer. He hooked up with one in Iowa fpr a delegate. Another choice would be to support the real thing like any of his opponents, invasion/occupation DLCers. Excepting Gravel, of course.

w00T! The old blog is back, lol!

12:38

hey Puddle.  good to see you again

But Dennis is not an invasion/occupation DLCer. He hooked up with one in Iowa fpr a delegate.

Which, if I remember right, he didn't even get in the end of the convoluted Iowa delegate process. I have to wonder how committed he is to getting us out of Iraq when he dealt with the devil and sold out the anti-war position for one magic bean.

If he makes another deal with Edwards this time and cuts out Obama, who also opposed invading Iraq at the time, I guess there will be no doubt as to his loyalty to the position over himself. 

Good morning, everybody  

http://blogforamerica.com/view/23004

20.  Don't bother.

will you drop a money bomb on me if I set up a web site?

doesn't Kucinich even have a way to contribute to his campaign online?

what the theck is this main post about?

and you wonder why he is in single digits?

Obama has a new ad proposing a thousand dollar tax cut. What part of a tanking dollar and a 9trillion debt doesn't he understand?

31. Obama is sounding more Republican every day.

I would like to ask a favor. I wrote a letter to Senator Bingaman and Senator Feingold asking they write a law outlawing Tasers.

We have conclusive evidence this weapon kills people, besides the suffering and paiin it causes. Yet, Police Officers are not using them like weapons. They use them as tools of control and submission.

I would like to ask you all to write them and ask they outlaw Tasers. If they can't outlaw them, they should be relisted as WEAPONS and used only when life is threatened. Or, list them as weapons and only be used inside the precincts, as opposed to cops carrying them.

senator_bingaman@bingaman.senate.gov

russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov

> doesn't Kucinich even have a way to contribute to his campaign online?

Yes, he does, of course.  This grassroots effort is simply creating a mailing list for people who wish to donate $100 to that official Dennis Kucinich web site on December 15.  The list allows people to know what's going on with the effort.

> what the theck is this main post about?

What I tried to say was that Kucinich holds positions that resonate with many more Americans than likely know about him, and that it strikes me as unfair that candidates in America do not get equal time to state their case and equal exposure in the media. The televised debates thus far have been orchestrated, staged, and biased.

Greetings.

Thanksgiving is just around the corner, Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa is coming up fast, and in the first week of February we will begin the fight officially to return the U.S. Senate seat once held by Paul Wellstone & Hubert H. Humphrey, back to the people of Minnesota. Its a fight to defeat Norman Coleman, a Bush & Co. synchophant if ever there was such an individual.

There are some good DFLers running to take on Coleman. I want to talk about one you may not have noticed yet but once you get to know you will want to support. His name is Jim Cohen.

http://www.JimCohen.org/

Now this is a man who :

* Wrote the FTC rules against false advertising of foods.
* Represented others against big tobacco and corporations in court...and WON!
* Created and led the DC Office of the Sierra Club's Legal Defense Fund.
* Organized the Enviromental Task Force and grew it to 60,000+ members strong that helped local communities protect the enviroment.
* Defended the rights of American Indians in Minnesota.
* Helped found the Will Steger Foundation in Minnesota to combat global warming.
* Served on the board of the Continuum Academy, a developing Minneapolis charter school focusing on civic leadership.
* Taught in Minneapolis public and private schools.

Jim Cohen needs your help to build a grassroots coalition to help defeat Norman Coleman.  Time, money, and a common desire to see a better Minnesota are what unite us all in helping Jim win.

We need Al Franken back on the radio. We need Mike Ciresi back in the courtrooms. We need Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer back in the college classroom. But most of all, we need (and with your help) Jim Cohen fighting for us in the U.S. Senate!

 Please visit us on the web at : http://www.JimCohenforSenate.com/ or Jim@JimCohenforSenate.com or 1.612.879.1026

 Thanks!