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This month's meeting mirrored what's happening in households all over our state and region--putting away the memories of summer and getting ready for a winter that's going to require additional expense.
So, we passed out envelopes for sending in contributions to Democracy for America both to support the on-going functions in Burlington and to make it possible to support progressive candidates all around the country, as those of us who are already signed up to contribute were reminded by Charles Chamberlain the other day:
www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/Application
Although our group isn't ready to make an endorsement in the U.S. Senate race, we recognize that having a choice in the primary is important and passed out contibution forms for Dr. Jay Buckey, who visited with us last month. Members who had an opportunity to attend an event last week in Keene, when both Jeanne Shaheen and Jay Buckey spoke about their interest in replacing Senator Sununu in the Senate, were particularly impressed by Buckey's positions on some important issues.
We also heard reports about John Edwards' visit to the Stone Church in Newmarket and the Holloway Commons at UNH, where an over-flow crowd of students was accommodated by opening several additional rooms. Although I was able to attend two presidential campaign events in Manchester and Durham on the 3rd, there hasn't been time to write up a report. So, it seems fair to include the Dodd campaign persepctive here:
Senator Dodd spoke last Friday at the Granite State Independent Living Forum. He was introduced by his sister, Caroline Dodd, a retired school teacher who drove up from Connecticut to support her brother on the campaign trail. Later that day, Senator Dodd spoke at the Every Child Matters Forum in Durham where he discussed his various plans for improving the health care and educational opportunities available to our future generations.On Saturday, Ted Kennedy Jr. accompanied Senator Dodd to his events in Windham, Nashua, Concord, and Keene. In Concord, Kennedy gave one of the best introductions of Senator Dodd that I have ever heard:
"One of the things I really admire about Chris Dodd is his sense of public service," Kennedy said. "When my uncle Jack asked people in the country in 1960, 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,' Sen. Dodd answered that call ... and that's exactly the kind of inspiration that is needed in this country today."
This was a great trip and there are a number of news articles covering Senator Dodd's events available on his website at ChrisDodd.com
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Remember that if you are interested in being a delegate at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, you need to register by mail or in person by December 4th following the instructions on the New Hampshire Democratic Party web site nhdp.org (or your own state party)
So far, the only member of our group who has plans to register as a delegate is Mark Mitchell from Barrington. The First Congressional District is entitled to seven regular delegates (four men and three women) who will be elected in the primary.
Delegate candidates need to register either in support of a particular presidential candidate or as an independent.
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Also, it's time to start thinking about our State House and Senate races next year. It's now certain that Joe Miller of Durham is retiring, so we'll be looking for candidates for his district (Lee, Durham, Madbury).
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This month's agenda item from DFA headquarters was to write up our group's achievements and projects and send them off to other DFA members in other states. We wrote letters to eleven of the people whose addresses we'd been sent, while another nine were taken home to be sent out later. It was nice to be reminded of the person-to-person communications we perfected during the Dean campaign. Hand writting letters and post cards worked well for Carol Shea-Porter, in addition to being a fun activity for the group.
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Our next get-together will be this Wednesday, November 14 at 7:00 PM when J.R. Smith is hosting a showing of Michael Moore's "Sicko" at Woodman Barn.
You can R.S.V.P. here DFALink
Indeed, it would be much appreciated if the members of the Rockingham Strafford DFALink group would REGISTER their intent to show up for events more often. We have really good attendance, but, if there's no response on the web site, Burlington doesn't know how well we're doing. In this case, the "Sicko" movie night, which is being hosted all over the country, they'll want to be able to announce the attendance numbers in press releases--and have an idea of how many participate in the conference call with Michael Moore himself. If you're not on the NH Seacoast, you can find a house party here Sicko
Since DFA has sent out a DVD of the movie, if you can't make it this week, we can arrange another viewing later this month or during the holidays. Also, the DVD for "Sir. No, sir" has found its way back from Israel (yes, it inadvertently slipped into someone's luggage), so we can plan a movie night around that, as well. It's good to remember our veterans at times other than Veterans Day.
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Next month's meeting will be on December 5th. We're hoping to be able to endorse a presidential candidate, if we can reach a consensus, and start planning for a Democratic Senate Candidate Forum to be held in February, after the presidential primary is over.
M/H
mprov, you make so much sense.
Mark wrote: "even if i'm bumped down??? lol."
It does seem like a mean trick but take my word for it: I did not type that message at 4:02 p.m.
Looks like I better quit while I'm ahead, so to speak.
I am willing to join everyone in supporting Edwards, not my choice, in an effort to elect someone acceptable to many here.
Since Hillary's and Edwards' records are virtually the same, I will not join any effort to stop her with him.
Ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty Would Give the UN Control Over Everything About the Oceans
JBS | November 9, 2007
Larry Greenley
The Senate is poised to ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), which would give total regulatory jurisdiction over the world's oceans and seas to a United Nations body, the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea.
Follow this link to the original source: "25th Anniversary of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea"
On October 31 the authoritative Capitol Hill news publication, CQ Today, stated:
The Senate is likely to ratify a 1982 U.N. treaty governing the use of the world's oceans despite grumbling from a few conservative GOP senators.
That's right. After 25 years of stalemate, the Senate is poised to ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), which would give total regulatory jurisdiction over the world's oceans and seas to a United Nations body, the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea.
This is the same UN famous for its corrupt oil-for-food scandal. This is the organization that consistently votes against American interests.
By time OR votes, it will have been decided. My vote for Daffy Duck will not be counted. But it will be in the gen'l, since I've given it so much consideration.
Tom, you're testy and insulting. Cut it out.
As for Clinton and Edwards having the same past voting record, Edwards recanted. Clinton war marches on. There's a difference for people who would like to give trust a whirl.
HQ, we need an instant run-off please leaving Gore out of it.
If he wishes not to run, I'll trust his judgment there too.
Lots of trust issues here and unforgiving attitudes. JMO
[ Monday, 12 November 2007 ]
Americans have proven susceptible to manipulations of the truth
George Soros
In his novel "1984," George Orwell chillingly described a totalitarian regime in which all communication is controlled by a Ministry of Truth and dissidents are persecuted by political police. The United States remains a democracy governed by a constitution and the rule of law, with pluralistic media, yet there are disturbing signs that the propaganda methods Orwell described have taken root here.
Indeed, techniques of deception have undergone enormous improvements since Orwell's time. Many of these techniques were developed in connection with the advertising and marketing of commercial products and services, and then adapted to politics. Their distinguishing feature is that they can be bought for money. More recently, cognitive science has helped to make the techniques of deception even more effective, giving rise to political professionals who concentrate only on "getting results."
These professionals take pride in their accomplishments, and may even enjoy the respect of an American public that admires success no matter how it is achieved. That fact casts doubt on Karl Popper's concept of open society, which is based on the recognition that, while perfect knowledge is unattainable, we can gain a better understanding of reality by engaging in critical thinking.
Popper failed to recognize that in democratic politics, gathering public support takes precedence over the pursuit of truth. In other areas, such as science and industry, the impulse to impose one's views on the world encounters the resistance of external reality. But in politics the electorate's perception of reality can be easily manipulated. As a result, political discourse, even in democratic societies, does not necessarily lead to a better understanding of reality.
The reason democratic politics leads to manipulation is that politicians do not aspire to tell the truth. They want to win elections, and the best way to do that is to skew reality to their own benefit.
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Another technique is transference: accusing opponents of having motives or using methods that characterize the accuser himself. For example, David Horowitz, who accuses me of being "the Lenin of the anti-American conspiracy," is a former Trotskyite for whom opponents are never adversaries to be debated, but rather enemies to be crushed.
The American public has proven remarkably susceptible to the manipulation of truth, which increasingly dominates the country's political discourse. Indeed, a whole network of publications, some of which manage to parade as mainstream media, is devoted to the task. Yet I believe that it is possible to inoculate the public against false arguments by arousing resentment against Orwellian Newspeak. What is needed is a concerted effort to identify the techniques of manipulation - and to name and shame those who use them.
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2007/11/1...
seashell wrote "Tom, you're testy and insulting. Cut it out."
No, I don't really think this is the case. Maybe you could point me towards some evidence to help brace up your theory.
seashell wrote "As for Clinton and Edwards having the same past voting record, Edwards recanted. Clinton war marches on. There's a difference for people who would like to give trust a whirl."
Or you could look at it this way. Clinton and Edwards felt the same way about authorization, only Clinton believed in the reasons for her vote while Edwards used the bill he co-sponsored as a vehicle to help propel his political fortunes. I give him credit for recognizing his miscalculation, but since it came only after the Kerry-Edwards ticket lost, I can't give him much.
I'd also give him credit for understanding that the war vote was the wrong vote in order to put his political prospects back on the right track, but it seems a little too obvious that this was a correction designed to do exactly what his authorization vote was supposed to do, namely, bring himself into the good graces of voters by using polls to carve out his policy positions.
I love the redemption story, but I'm afraid none of it gives me any confidence in his sense of judgment, a quality I value in a presidential nominee.
Tom, since we are all One and connected, what I said about you is also true of me. There's your answer. :-)
IMO the pure of heart would never interpret anything as insulting. Nor would they be defensive.
However, my Daffy Duck statement was tongue in cheek. Sometimes words don't translate well over the net or email. There's lotsa room for misunderstanding since innuendo doesn't translate and often people read between the lines, thinking they know what someone said. They make assumptions, as you did.
Surely you know by now that I'm a Gore supporter all the way. Daffy Duck and Road Runner are running a close second.
Some wise person once said, Don't take yourself so seriously. Nobody else does."
This is so tragic. Nobody warned these people that ARM's are dangerous.
Dean Baker | Homeownership: The Fast Path to Poverty
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111207J.shtml
Dean Baker writes for Truthout, "The housing bubble was the underlying problem that created the current subprime mess. Lenders didn't care whether borrowers could make their mortgage payments because in a bubble market, every loan is a good loan. Homeowners who face problems making their payments can always borrow against the new equity created by rising house prices or simply sell their home and pocket the gain. The story is different once the bubble stops growing and prices start falling back to earth. That is when foreclosure rates soar and people get thrown out of their homes."
Since Hillary's and Edwards' records are virtually the same, I will not join any effort to stop her with him.
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Edwards has rejected belligerence towards Iran; favoring diplomacy, Hillary voted to call their militia a terrorist group, which many interpret as giving authorization to Bush/Cheney to attack Iran, in a similar manner as the original Iraq vote, which Edwards called a mistake.
But that isn't the main reason I support Edwards over Hillary, it is because he understands that the current power structure and way of doing business with K Street, tilts the table against the little guy trying to find a living wage job with health care and a pension; and she takes money from K Street for her campaign.
Obama falls between the two. But he doesn't take PAC money.
The reason politicians resort to manipulation is because they recognize that force generates resistance and they don't get their way. Manipulation is not necessarily deceptive. Deception grows out of a basic disrespect for the other person and, at base, is an effort to get something for nothing. The truth is inherently valuable; the lie is worthless. This attitude is incorporated in the dictum, "buyer beware," implying that the attraction to an object (desire to have) creates a responsibility to know what that thing is and that, if the knowledge isn't there, the buyer somehow "deserves" to be cheated or tricked. It's an attitude that goes along with the belief that all behavior is externally directed, rather than being internally motivated. The result is an existence that's fraught with danger and uncertainty from which the only escape is to do what one is told. People are intimidated in order to make them conform to someone else's will. Which, if you listen to Bush Two, is ultimately the deity.
Well, I hope they spend oodles and oodles and then lose so the message sinks in that votes cannot be bought and sold like soap flakes.
15. The problem is three-fold:
1) Houses are valued at way more than they are worth.
2) Lenders started making their profit on fees, rather than interest.
3) ARMs and balloon mortgages were mis-represented.
well written report Monica
and 4.) Investors started stepping in with no thoughts of repayment, only flipping and moving on with profits in hands. It is all musical chairs, just don't be holding title when rates of return drop to nil rather than 25% a year. Greed has a way of exacerbating a bubble. See NASDAQ in 2000.
houses still haven't declined as much as the dollars from a sale made six months ago kept in cash
Sun, Surf & Tombstones
Every Sunday since
February 15, 2004 Veterans for Peace
erect a temporary iraq War Memorial
in Santa Monica, CA
They call it
Arlington West.
Video made by Tiffany Israel and Nicholas Draney
A memorial to the soldiers that have died in Iraq. Each white cross represents one soldier, each red cross represents 10 soldiers. Each Casket represents a soldier death in the week prior.
http://current.com/items/86441591_sun_su...
Hey Fox still claiming the world is round? lol
brush up on your science, buddy
(now where did that bat go?)
Nice blog Monica, thanks. I especially appreciate the local NH info about Dodd. He is a force the party should not ignore -- he may be a longshot at this time, but then so was Kerry at this time.
There is little to dislike about Dodd, I think he brings something for everyone to the primaries. As some have said, no person is perfect. Dodd's long record of service to Congress is impressive. I doubt anyone wouldn't support him as a nominee if that happens.
Watching Hardball tonight, it is quite obvious Chris Matthews and his guests were thrilled with Obama's outstanding speech Saturday night in Iowa. He spent at least a third of the hour replaying parts of it. Barack just gets better every day, while Clinton falters.
Obama has not gotten coverage of his larger rallies which had thousands of supporters who have heard him speak often.
31. Phil wrote:
Linda
if we can get to 15% I'll capture a Gore delegate for you
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There ya go Linda!
Repost from previous blog, this piece just made my day. It's long, better printed out and couch-read:
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This 8-pager at the American Muslim website is a blast, not to be missed:
* FOLLOW THE KIDS: Speaking of the young folk, they are becoming as scarce in the Republican Party as a good vowel in Kyrgyzstan. And why not? Who wants to be in the party that’s wrecking your environment, spending your future earnings, killing your friends for lies and telling you who you can sleep with? (Hint: You can’t sleep with anybody. Unless, of course, you’re a television preacher or a blow-hard regressive politician, in which case you can sleep with everyone. And everything. Baaaah.) What a fun bunch to hang with, eh? The even better news is that there is pretty strong evidence that people tend to stick for life with the party affiliation they adopt when they’re young. As in so many other ways, therefore, George W. Bush will be the gift that keeps on giving. Thirty years from now, when regressives are an extinct species visible only in dusty museum showcases, we may wonder why we weren’t as happy as little clams at a mollusk orgy to have had the Bush Leaguer around, doing a better job than we ever could have of smashing his ideology to bits.
From the previous thread
Re: Framing the Health Care Debate by Kevin Shaw:
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22957...
Thank you, Mr. Shaw. You're quite a Gent. But the good folks at the Rockridge Institute deserve the recognition and all the support we can give them.
Please contribute here: http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/take-o...
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I also want mirror Monica Smith and those great folks with Rockingham/Strafford DFA by encouraging all of us who blog here at the blog for America to become DFA TRUST members.
Please join: http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22843...
Take care,
Susan Rowe
Edwards has rejected belligerence towards Iran;
I've posted this before in response to an identical statement from Phil....
"At the top of these threats is Iran. Iran threatens the security of Israel and the entire world. Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons."
"To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table."
"While Iran is the greatest threat now, but just as alarming is the one on your doorstep."
"Syria has recently called for peace talks with Israel. Talk is cheap."
Sounds pretty belligerent to me. But maybe when Edwards talks to liberal Democrats like Phil he puts on his freindly face and strikes a peaceful pose.
My last post reads: 6:04
It was 6:22 when I posted it.
I hope the early bloggers tomorrow morning will holler at Charles to FIX THE BLOG CLOCK!!!
if we can get to 15% I'll capture a Gore delegate for you
Maybe Edwards will strike a deal with Gravel, Biden, or Dodd, and get to 16%.
But that isn't the main reason I support Edwards over Hillary, it is because he understands that the current power structure and way of doing business with K Street, tilts the table against the little guy trying to find a living wage job with health care and a pension;
I guess why he voted for Bush's bankruptcy law back in 2001.
As for Clinton and Edwards having the same past voting record, Edwards recanted.
Just in time for the next election cycle. If the polls change again, so will he.
I hope the early bloggers tomorrow morning will holler at Charles to FIX THE BLOG CLOCK!!!
Frankly, I don't give a damn and never look at it anyway.
sitka you are more pavlovian than Fred is to your one liners when I post something positive about Edwards
I love the redemption story, but I'm afraid none of it gives me any confidence in his sense of judgment
It's why Edwards can't break 15% and never will.
tell me of all of the candidates which one voted for the Iran War Authorization vote?
you are more pavlovian than Fred is to your one liners when I post something positive about Edwards
Pavlovian? You're the who drools all over the blog about edwards.
give you 25-1 odds Edwards breaks 15% in Iowa sitka
tell me of all of the candidates which one voted for the Iran War Authorization vote?
Tell me how you can disregard Edwards' clearly belligerent rhetoric. That blind eye of yours can overlook anything.
before the re-alignment, at the sign in
OK. If Edwards doesn't get 15% on the first vote you don't say anything about him for 25 days. If he does, I don't say anything about him for one day.
Shake on it?
At least Phil is taking a stand for someone. Sitka, who are you backing?
Now I wish I'd washed the dinner speeches. Pelosi's opening was so awful with her fist pounding the air, I gave up in disgust.
OK. If Edwards doesn't get 15% on the first vote you don't say anything about him for 25 days. If he does, I don't say anything about him for one day.
I forgot to say that it can't include any deal for one of the others to throw their support to him on the first vote.
OK. If Edwards doesn't get 15% on the first vote you don't say anything about him for 25 days. If he does, I don't say anything about him for one day.
I forgot to say that it can't include any deal for one of the others to throw their support to him on the first vote.
Sitka....
This is one instance where you have a blind spot.
Clinton openly brags about her corporate support and her support for lobbyists, and how they do us a service.
Edwards talks of getting the lobbyists and corporate influence out of our government.
Plain and simple. Enough difference right there.
Hey, Phil, what do you think it means that Dodd has moved his family into a rented house in Iowa?
Edwards is in NH again this week.
My 46. should be about 56. It is now 6:47
been a while.
I don't think Edwards's attempts and showing the differences between him and the other candidates is working. Edwards has sold out those he pledges to support by supporting the horrible bankruptsy law and the Iraq War. If anyone is inexperienced, it is him. I have supported him in the past as he talks the best game of all. It turns out, he has no game.
At this point in time, I really like Dodd with his pledge to bring back the rule of law and reduce the power Bush has stolen. I like Dennis and hope he gets stronger.
I detest Hillary and it will be a real struggle for me to vote for her.
The next POTUS gets to choose three new Supreme Court justices (replacing Stevens, Ginzberg, Souter). This is the most important reason why our votes count.
So go ahead and hate Hillary and the rest of the dwarfs. Once again, I will vote for the lessor of two evils. I don't like to work for progressive issues every year to get them dashed by candidates who have already sold me out.
and you bark everytime
woof
Now you're imitating Tr0ler. If you don't like my debunking of your Edwards mythology, I'm afraid that's too bad.
seashell wrote "They make assumptions, as you did."
I guess what you said about me is also true of you.
That was funny. I was wondering how come you were commenting on my DFA report. I just clicked on the link in the previous thread without looking at the new.
I get tired of listening to all the candidates see how high they can pee on a wall. Dennis isn't playing and is going his own way; which if we all think about it; is the most preogressive way. He probably won't get 1% of the vote because he doesn't get into the bomb somebody food fight.
Dodd's platform is solid.
This is one instance where you have a blind spot.
Clinton openly brags about her corporate support and her support for lobbyists, and how they do us a service.
If anyone ever shows up here touting hillary as a populist I'll set them straight. Until then, I prefer to ignore her as much as possible.
Edwards talks of getting the lobbyists and corporate influence out of our government.
Your right.....Edwards talks. But his record says otherwise.
Plain and simple. Enough difference right there.
Your eyes must be better than mine. Which is which?
Veterans Day is an important day to reflect on our veterans, and their sacrifices. I've done some reflecting myself.
My name is Elliot Anderson, I'm a marine Afghanistan vet and I first started volunteering with Democracy for America when I attended the Nevada training in February of this year.
I think it's high time we stop making combat veterans and disabled veterans unnecessarily. In Iraq, it's high time to let the civil war we are mediating run its course, and get our troops out of the crossfire. Here at home it's high time to stop the drum beat of war with Iran. It isn't helping veterans to send them overseas into un-just wars.
Most importantly on Veterans Day we must reflect and realize that we are not taking care of the people who we sent to war to the extent they need. Recent reports have shown damning evidence on the results of years of neglect of the Veterans Administration. It has been estimated that over 25% of the homeless are veterans.
Why is that?
Just because you are suffering doesn't mean it is your own fault. For a lot of our homeless veterans they have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and are unemployable. In the meantime because of the neglect of the veterans administration there is a backlog for claims which can take up to 6 months to fix. So what is an unemployable veteran supposed to do for 6 months? The answer, of course, is end up on the streets.
Let's resolve this Veterans Day to remember our veterans 365 days a year and unlike the right wing, continue to put our money where our mouth is. Everyday you can make a difference in a veteran's life. May I suggest a fantastic organization which gets vets off the streets and rehabilitates them?
You can help today at:
http://www.usvetsinc.org
Do what you can to help veterans 365 days a year. If not at the link above, find out where you can make a difference for veterans in your neighborhood and take action. When helping out, let it be known what you think. Tell everyone you meet, "Though I oppose un-just wars, I fully support our veterans." There won't be any doubt who puts their money where their mouth is.
Semper Fi to our veterans and those who tangibly support them,
-Elliot
Elliot Anderson
Afghanistan Veteran
Nevada DFA Member
Porter Wagoner,
in Memorium,
a beautifully done tribute.
http://current.com/items/87112991_porter...
At least Phil is taking a stand for someone. Sitka, who are you backing?
I'm backing Other. That way I don't feel a need to come here and try to sell cheap soap and cat litter to my blog friends.
Interesting circumstantial case, but all of the premises are too easy to explain away. 1) A senator seen with another senator isn’t particularly incriminating; 2) the mentoring relationship has had no corresponding effect on Obama’s policy positions; 3) The DLC courtship has been painstakingly explained as an unrequited overture; 4) I hope you can appreciate that a person could decide to spend his first term in office and have circumstances convince him to do otherwise, particularly in view of a groundswell of support and national attention against a Democratic frontrunner with disturbingly large unfavorable ratings; 5) As with Gov. Dean, the huge crowds can be reasonably seen as a demonstration of popular support, as can Obama’s convincing fundraising.
As my own counterpoint,
Dodd voted to authorize the Iraq War.
He did not vote for CHIP. He idn't vote at all.
I would like his reasoning.
Well, I just watched the vid of Edward's speech. Impressive and honest. When he talked about the decision he and Elizabeth made in that small hospital room, that was sincere.
They have nothing to lose. They can tell the truth. Hillary and Barack have way too much power to lose. Edwards doesn't care........there's the difference between the men and the boys.
Now I'll go hunt for Obama's speech.
I would like his reasoning.
Specious:apparently good or right though lacking real merit; superficially pleasing or plausible
dog soldier....
You say you will vote for the lesser of the evils. Why not work for one of the lessers to take out Hillary, the one you say you detest?
Well, I just watched the vid of Edward's speech. Impressive and honest. When he talked about the decision he and Elizabeth made in that small hospital room, that was sincere.
You do realize that he made a fortune convincing juries he was sincere?
Another reason I'm backing Other is I don't have to make up bad excuses and apologies.
We are long past the point of benefitting from just one prez/CinC. Out of those running, we could elect three and have ourselves one great prez.
Dodd, Kucinich and ?? Gravel would filibuster the hell outta all awful bills. Dodd isn't power hungry and would restore the rule of law. Dennis can work on his dept of peace and slash the war budget. And I do think there's room for Edwards.
And I do think there's room for Edwards.
Since he was an accident/injury lawyer, he could do a lot of good at the CPSC.
Perfection is not out there.
Edwards is pretty, electable, and is saying some interesting things. Stacked up next to Hillary, I have no problem.
If we don't decide on Edwards or someone soon, I will support...Kucinich, not pretty, short, but absolutely right on the issues, so I might as well feel good about it.
Edwards is pretty...
That's a disadvantage. The GOP already has the smears about his hair ready to go.
electable.....
The last electable Democrat lost.
and is saying some interesting things.
That don't match up with what he's done. "I'm now against what was I was for," has been tried before with disasterous results.
Sitka wrote "Another reason I'm backing Other is I don't have to make up bad excuses and apologies."
You don't have to do shit in fact. You're over there with the Daffy Duck campaign.
If we don't decide on Edwards or someone soon, I will support...Kucinich, not pretty, short, but absolutely right on the issues, so I might as well feel good about it.
You can never go wrong voting for the candidate whose record and proposals best represent your beliefs.
You'll often go wrong voting on electoral calculations.
You don't have to do shit in fact. You're over there with the Daffy Duck campaign.
You don't know where I am because I haven't decided myself. I'm uncommitted and can be honest about each candidate -- good or bad.
Sitka wrote "You don't know where I am because I haven't decided myself."
This is just one breathtakingly cogent observation. I think you are really picking up on my vibe.
audrey.nc
Sun, 11/11/07
11:42 pm
Paine....
I think most here are grounded in reality most of the time. I'm trying to figure out why you continually post that Gore is not going to run, and that Kucinich won't get the nomination.
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because BFA and we all can suffer non similar points of view,
because we'd all turn into mushy softies, if all we ate was our own sugar.
~`~
I don't favor any candidate, audrey
I can't play this game of take anyone with a D, regardless of their actions.
If we saw these folks actions and votes without the letter behind their name, we wouldn't know the party they belonged to.
As all of these candidates give away our rights all voting for the Bills that have enabled this Administration to do what they have, calling them out on it just doesn't cut it.
Not that I've heard anyone explain their actions other than the "War vote". As if everything else was A O K.
The Patriot Act.
Our Veterans, Anti War Veterans excersing their right of free speech and assembly, were arrested in Boston at their Veterans Day Parade.
WHAT IS EVERYONE DOING TO HOLD THESE FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS?????
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Phil made a good pitch for Edwards last night after returning from a meet with 'im.
Phil's kept me open to Edwards.
New thread.
Reposting Phil's comments"
28.Phil Specht
Mon, 11/12/07
5:35 am
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I'm a Paul Wellstone, Tom Harkin Democrat from the Democratic Wing of the Party and after seeing John Edwards in Dubuque last night have no doubt he is too.
I want the name opposite the Party name to be a Democrat in truth not in name.
I understand that there are voters that don't like the partisan tone in Washington and will be attracted to a candidate that can "work across party lines" to get things done.
I have knocked on way to many doors not to know another fact. There are tens of millions of Americans that don't vote because they can't see a difference between the parties and think they all work for K Street. That no one represents them. Looking at his voting record I'm not sure Edwards did in his Senate term, but I have no doubt he would as President now. and the way to a true change where we take back our democracy for the people we need a Democratic Party nominee that can clearly articulate and then deliver on that promise.
Iowa better think long and hard about who can actually win the presidency. Clinton's negatives are high, plus she's the worst, IMO.
I didn't like the way Iowans were talked about as being the ones who lead the country (choose the nominee).
I spose we all have axes to grind and that's a shame. While thankful says"kindess is free," I like to say "Forgiveness is the key."
How long does resentment over the past continue? We have to move forward, with or w/o Gore.
I'm happy I'm not judged by things I've said or done in the distant past. Friend are usually forgiving, as I forgive them. Edwards has apologized and I'll give him kudos for that becuz I believe he's sincere.
After Gore, my preference is Dodd or Kucinich.
Your vibe is of a one-eye-blind partisan. I picked up on it long ago.
Any fool can jump on a bandwagon at the start of a race and then try to induce others to join -- or waste time trying defend a candidate from the snipes of supporters from other bandwagons.
I'll remain uncommitted and not make a fool of myself trying to sell or defend anyone. When voting day comes I'll follow my conscience and let others follow theirs.
Phil made a good pitch for Edwards last night after returning from a meet with 'im.
I've read those pitches. Boilerplate. Any name could be plugged into them.
Sitka wrote "I'll remain uncommitted and not make a fool of myself trying to sell or defend anyone."
Do it by shooting spitballs from the peanut gallery then. There's obviously more than one way to accomplish the task.
Iowa better think long and hard about who can actually win the presidency.
I hope they think long and hard about whose record and proposals best match their own ideals.
I didn't like the way Iowans were talked about as being the ones who lead the country (choose the nominee).
They're the ones doing it most.
How long does resentment over the past continue?
It should last at least one election cycle. When politicians do a one-eighty that fast, it's good for voters to remember what they just were.
Edwards has apologized and I'll give him kudos for that becuz I believe he's sincere.
Forgive his soul for the harm he's helped cause perhaps. But hold him politically accountable. Without it politicians will continue to committ murder and get away with it. And remember, Edwards made a millions out of convincing people he was sincere.
Do it by shooting spitballs from the peanut gallery then.
The greatest number of spitballs come from the supporters of various candidates trying knock the others down (like you). I just respond to real estate salesmen trying to peddle swampland.
Sitka wrote "The greatest number of spitballs come from the supporters of various candidates trying knock the others down (like you)."
There's no empirical evidence for this so why not make the charge, right?
There's no empirical evidence for this so why not make the charge, right?
Look back upthread. I'm just responding to your unsubstantiated personal slurs with the obvious.
Sitka wrote "Look back upthread. I'm just responding to your unsubstantiated personal slurs with the obvious."
Where are they?
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22959...
There's a new thread folks.
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