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Great news! We launched DFA Wireless last month and already it's a huge success. Thousands of DFA members clicked on the link to find out more and sign-ups are growing every day.
I even switched my own wireless phone service, so that 10% of my normal charges will benefit DFA instead of some faceless corporation's bottom line.
Turn everyday life into political action. Join me and switch your service today.
http://www.WorkingAssetsWireless.com/DFAwireless
Oh, and don't forget to use this code when you order: 703014. Thanks for all you do,
Charles Chamberlain
Political Director
P.S. Rachel laid out the details best. I've included her original e-mail here.
Yes, we finally bought a wireless phone that charges by the minute and discovered it to be a big nuisance. It was OK on the road, but here at the house I have to get outside to have a good connection. LOL
70. Huron John
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Biden and Boxer (authors of resolution supporting federalism) voted against it.
Kudos to Feingold and Wyden, who voted against it too. Two ethnic Jews (don't know about their religious feelings) who don't have a fascist freak fit every time a Neocon right winger or Revisionist Zionist invokes "Hitler," "Nazis" and "The Holocaust."
3. Monica Smith
Yes, we finally bought a wireless phone that charges by the minute and discovered it to be a big nuisance.
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Use a headset to avoid microwave intoxication. Some people are addicted to it. It is real.
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22492...
last thread
Protesters gather at site of proposed Blackwater training camp
Protesters targeted the site of a planned training facility for Blackwater USA, the private security contractor that is under fire for recent actions in Iraq.
Organizers said about 300 people gathered Sunday at the 824-acre site in Potrero, a rural area about 45 miles east of San Diego and just north of the U.S.-Mexico border. ---full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/552/story/15868...
I got the wireless service last week but am mad that I have to PAY for a ringtone that I used to get for free. Can u do something about this charles???
" title="" class="" />Supreme Court case pits investors, corporations
WASHINGTON -- Investors will confront corporations on Tuesday when the U.S. Supreme Court considers the highest-profile business case of the year.
There are hundreds of millions of reasons, each with a dollar sign attached, why the University of California, the state of Pennsylvania's pension plan, Merrill Lynch and many more are following Stoneridge v. Scientific-Atlanta. The high court's decision will determine how far legal liability extends in securities fraud cases.
"I actually think this is the most important securities law case since the securities laws were passed," said Patrick Coughlin, a San Diego-based attorney who represents the University of California in a closely related lawsuit.
Think Enron. There's no commercial connection between that failed company and Stoneridge v. Scientific-Atlanta, but they're legal brethren. ...full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/...
HILLARY'S LAUGH IS REAL--HERTZBERG
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2007/10/15/071015taco_talk_hertzberg
In the great American tradition of Washington’s teeth, Lincoln’s Adam’s apple, T.R.’s pince-nez, Nixon’s five-o’-clock shadow, Ike’s grin, Reagan’s pompadour, and—more recently, less nostalgically—Gore’s sigh, Dean’s scream, and W.’s smirk, the small (but, thanks to the Internet, bigger than ever) universe of people who professionally or semi-professionally obsess about Presidential campaigns has been agog over Hillary Clinton’s laugh.
This momentous subject began to elbow aside scarier topics like Iraq on September 23rd, when the junior senator from New York got herself interviewed on all five of the Sunday-morning political variety shows. She met the press, she faced the nation, she rode down the fox. And, sure enough, whenever George or Wolf or Tim asked her something that struck her a certain way, she laughed.
The sound of Hillary’s laughter, accompanied by urgent analyses thereof, has since been echoing from the tar pits of the Internet to the lofty peaks of the major mainstream media. It began with surprising amiability, on none other than “Fox News Sunday, Brit Hume remarked that her laugh “is always disarming, always engaging, and always attractive.”
Hillary’s laugh is unusually uninhibited for a politician—especially, perhaps, for a female politician. It is indeed a belly laugh, if not a “big belly” laugh, and it compares favorably with the incumbent Presidential laugh, a series of rapid “heh-hehs,” at once threatening and insipid, accompanied by an exaggerated, arrhythmic bouncing of head and shoulders in opposite directions.
Complain about her triangulation if you wish, but our unhappy country needs all the laughs it can get. ♦
69. Michael Ellis
..when my Dad emigrated here in 1948 you had to have "sponsor" and you "would not become a burden to the state'...........and have a job..or they would ship you right back.....no handouts, no freebies.......nothing
Sometimes i wished he had stayed back in the UK
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That's needed for political purposes, or the opposition will claim people will come here just to sit on their butts, while hard-working people support them with taxes. It would be a negaive for social programs too.
My wife's an immigrant, so I've been through that. It is like going to court, depends on the judge you get. In this case we were lucky, the immigration officer was liberal and very nice, I was studying when she got her visa, and they could have easily rejected it, even with the sponsor we had, who had an income but was not very well-to-do. My rich republican brother was a bastard and wouldn't go for it, because his lawyer was against it, for whatever reason, I'll never know.
Here’s an excerpt from a pretty amusing rant, in a tragic sense, called "The presidential primary scam" by Michael Scherer in Salon:
"By most estimates, about 190,000 people will participate in the Iowa caucuses, with another 1.2 million or so marking ballots in New Hampshire and South Carolina. That's about 1.4 million people in a nation of 301 million, or one-half of 1 percent.
"When these early states start voting in January, the rest of the nation will begin to pay attention. If tradition holds, the candidates who win the early contests will have a huge advantage. With some luck, both parties will unite behind a single consensus nominee within a month, all but making the ballots in the later states irrelevant. Each party's leadership prays for this to happen, because if it does not, if for some reason the Democratic or Republican grass roots remains split on a preference after February, then the American people will be forced to see how ugly the whole game really is.
" . . . .
"About a week ago, Barack Obama traveled to Florida for a fundraiser at the home of Tom Scarritt, a Tampa trial lawyer. Afterward, he walked across the street and answered a half-dozen questions from reporters, a sin that prompted an immediate denial from the campaign. ‘It wasn't a news conference,’ claimed Robert Gibbs, Obama's communications director. This is what it has come to: Presidential campaigns trying to deny that their candidates spoke in public. Even Obama cowered. ‘I was just doing you guys a favor,’ he told the Tampa Tribune, after a reporter in the street pointed out that he was breaking the rules by speaking outdoors, where the public might hear. ‘We won't do it again.’"
69. Michael Ellis
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What's ironic is that my wife ended up being the bread winner because of my disability, and the government has to help me that much less.
You against the war in Iraq from the start ?
Well, I guess in retired Lt. Gen Claudia Kennedy's eyes, you're not that sophisticated if you answer YES to that question:
Retired general backs Clinton on IraqBy JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter
Saturday, Oct. 6, 2007
A retired U.S. Army general visiting the state to campaign for Hillary Clinton said yesterday she does not oppose the Iraq war -- and she said she's never heard Clinton oppose it, either.
Retired Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, the Army's first woman to reach the three-star rank, said she supports Clinton's promise to withdraw the majority of U.S. troops from Iraq if she is elected President. But Kennedy said she does not consider her position to be opposing the war as it is currently being conducted.
Kennedy, 60, retired in 2000 after serving in the Army since 1969.
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"I'm from the Vietnam era, and in the Vietnam era, we were very cut-and-dried," Kennedy said. "You were for the war or against the war, and being against the war was, 'Hell, no, I won't go.' I don't buy into that one single bit.
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Kennedy said, "I don't oppose the war. I think it's being very badly led by the civilian leadership." And, she added, "I have not ever heard (Clinton) say, 'I oppose the war.' I've heard her say that we need to begin withdrawal under a plan led by the military and defense secretary. I've heard her say we need to create a regional stabilizing group by allies, by leaders in the world and by all of the states that are bordering Iraq. That is a very important idea and the point of that group is to create incentive and assurances that will keep the neighboring countries from becoming involved and entering Iraq. That's a much more sophisticated thing than saying, 'I oppose the war.'"
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Are we keeping an eye out for votes on survellance rules?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1553
"The only good news about this bill is that it's set to expire 6 months after it was signed into law. But Congress is rushing forward. Critical votes happening within three weeks could permanently grant vast new spying powers to Bush and all future presidents, with no meaningful oversight by Congress or any court."
HOUSING-YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET.........
http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/18/storm/#comment-93995
Credit meltdown: think of a levee, or a dam. It’s started to spring leaks, everywhere. All over the world, bankers are holding their collective breaths. They know there’s really not much they can do about it. The central banks can intervene, but that’s a highly limited & temporary fix that they have available. Certainly not fix bank portfolios which have no value. It’s just a matter of time before the whole system falls apart.
There are some amazing numbers out there, which show that we really haven’t seen the biggest numbers of foreclosures yet in the U.S. The numbers of subprime mortgages will be resetting, in bigger & bigger numbers over the next few months. In March of ‘08, I believe something like $110 billion dollars worth of mortgages will be reset. This is when whole neighborhoods will be standing empty.
Europe is in the same situation. Most vulnerable countries: Sweden, Denmark, The U.K. and Spain. France is vulnerable, but not as much as the previous 4.
When it’s all done, I expect houses will be worth about 1/2 of what they are now. If we’re lucky. But most probably, they will probably be about 20 cents on the dollar. I have friends who think this is the “perfect” time to go buy some houses. I’ve been warning them it’s too early. Wait about 2 years.
In the meantime, we will see massive bank failures, a lot of lost money both in real estate & the stock market.
Interesting thought, isn’t it? That the renters would be pushed to the front of the line.
Is this blog THE HURON JOHN REPORT?
John you don't need to hog so much space. Just give us a title, an abstract, and a link. That should be enough to know if we want to read it.
don' be a space pig.
Daniel I watched the preview of Bohemian Grove. Have you ever seen such a beautiful place? Doesn't look as exciting as Burning Man to tell you the truth. Also, as a Wicca dabbler, I don't like the references to the Occult either. Just my 2 cents. Can you imagine Jimmy Carter doing anything unethical, inhumane, illegal? The 'no women' is troubling I must say -- maybe they bring in -- em -- prostitutes? What has always troubled me (at least since reading the DaVinci code lol) is that pyramid with the eyeball in it. Thanks for sharing!!
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Fred -
That IMO is an unfair character assessment of HJ. We all have done the same thing and posted more than just the title, abstract and a link in our enthusiasm to get what is important to us in printed words on this blog.
That said, when I saw your usage of the word "space", it brought me back to a song by the Steve Miller Band I used to listen to during my early teen years, "Space Cowboy" (a term that would apply proudly to most of here IMO, HJ included):
http://lyricwiki.org/Steve_Miller_Band:Space_Cowboy
Space Cowboy
From LyricWikiThis song appears on the album "Best Of 1968-73 (1990)" by Steve Miller Band
I told you 'bout living in the U.S. of A.Don't you know that I'm a gangster of love
Let me tell you people that I found a new way
And I'm tired of all this talk about love
And the same old story with a new set of words
About the good and the bad and the poor
And the times keep on changin'
So I'm keepin' on top
Of every fat cat who walks through my door
I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that...I was born on this rock
And I've been travelin' through space
Since the moment I first realized
What all you fast talkin' cats would do if you could
You know, I'm ready for the final surprise
There ain't no way around it
Ain't nothing to say
That's gonna satisfy my soul deep inside
All the prayers and surveyors
Keep the whole place uptight
While it keeps on gettin' darker outside
...I see the show downs, slow downs, lost and found, turn arounds
The boys in the military shirts
I keep my eyes on the prize, on the long fallen skies
And I don't let my friends get hurt
All you back room schemers, small trip dreamers
Better find something new to say
Cause you're the same old story
It's the same old crime
And you got some heavy dues to pay
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Keep up the good work, HJ. Compared to some, your posts are short. And they always provide the point of view needed if government is ever to be reformed.
Study Checks The Safety Of Combination Vaccines
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles...
Barbara Fisher note (nvic.org):
"A study funded by British vaccine maker, GlaxoSmithKline, and conducted by University of Rochester vaccine developers claims to have proven that simultaneously injecting infants with 7 vaccines in separate shots is no more reactive or less effective than simultaneously injecting infants with 7 vaccines contained in combination shots...
"What do GSK officials and University of Rochester doctors running the study for GSK think that they have proven about Pediarix safety and effectiveness? Do they really believe the educated public will be reassured by a study that only included 575 two month old healthy babies divided into three groups - all of whom got seven vaccines whether given separately or in combination?
"...GSK would have had to prospectively enroll at least 3,000 - 5,000 infants aged two months to five years and followed them up for at least five years."
57.
Sitka
Mon, 10/08/07
11:25 am
I am a little queasy seeing George McGovern endorsing Sen. Clinton.
Maybe he made a deal with the DLC. He endorses Hillary and they stop using him as their straw man leftist.
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FRED from OR
Mon, 10/08/07
1:05 pm
70. Huron John
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Biden and Boxer voted against it.
---------->>>No, that's not correct. Biden did NOT VOTE.
22. Sitka
Keep up the good work, HJ. Compared to some, your posts are short.
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"Compared to some" who do occassionally.
I don't always object to his content, or an occassional large post, but he NEVER condenses his stories and he does MANY stories sometimes with a given time, often contiguously.
If he wants to blog so many stories he should condense them. Or else he is abusing space. We all have to be consciencous, or this blog would be nothing but scrolling.
24. Linda*in*SFNM
Biden and Boxer voted against it.
---------->>>No, that's not correct. Biden did NOT VOTE
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I stand corrected... haven't checked but I'll take your word for it.
Just as well that Fred doesn't set the blog rules, or we'd all be posting vacuous one-liners.
Ever notice that on a given thread, Fred outposts me by between 3 and 4 to 1?
don't always object to his content, or an occassional large post, but he NEVER condenses his stories and he does MANY stories sometimes with a given time, often contiguously.
More defamatory lies. I ALWAYS condense (usually to 1/4 to 1/3). I do consecutive posts because I have a life away from the blog, so I lob a few grenades, then go away for a while!
29. Huron John
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There are no rules, John, just common consideration and respect for others, and a sense of not being abusive. I have been scrolling your posts for a long time and not said anything for a long time, but I feel now a need to speak freely about it.
This is a separate issue from my objection to your numerous anti-party posts, which I don't always like but I feel you have a perfect right to post, however the space issue is an aggravating factor that I think is abusive in any case.
There are only two reasons he attacks and insults people.
- His opinions have no merit and he must belittle another person to make it seem as if they do.
- He's a troll who thrives on flame wars.
10. linda b
Funny...Really!?!
21. * rdorgan
RE: Steve Miller Band 11/13 http://500nations.com/casinos/caTableMou...
34. Sitka
Traditional etiquette rule:
"If you cannot say any nice, don't say anything"
Sitka's :
"If you can't say anything negative about somebody, don't say anything, or invent something negative"
32. Huron John
More defamatory lies. I ALWAYS condense (usually to 1/4 to 1/3).
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I never heard of abstracts sizes based on the percentage of the size of the story. What are you condensing, books?
hq, can't put utube up with the above link. hellooooooooooooooooooo.
Peace for one day
Street ministry throws block party in an unlikely spot -- Sanger gang territory.
PHOTO New Life Street Ministry, prays with Sergio Silva, 45, at the ministry's block party on Olive Avenue in Sanger.... http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/15810...
It may be a first. Castration via live satellite hook up.
This morning, tough guy Joe Scarborough unloaded on "Iraqi losers" for complaining about Blackwater for blowing away so many Iraqi civilians.
Moments later, Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) comes on the show and sends Scarborough scurrying for cover. Take a look. You'll get a kick out of it ...
oh, slap, comeon, hq what is wrong. this stuff is importanto.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/055359.php
First Scarbouro was Dr. Jackal, then he was Mr. Hide.
42. linda b
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I picked it up fine with 1.5 meg DSL
42. linda b
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Sorry - I misunderstood. I understand. I use links. The rich text features of this blog are often buggy and dialups have complained about loading with embedded YouTubes.
42. linda b
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BTW that was interesting, I hate it when they compare this to the WWII and Nazis. That's what the Revisionist Zionists have been doing for 60 years with Arabs and Palestinians (they throw in the holocaust, for spice.)
Since 911 our president, policy, and Congress became much more like the far right Revisionist Zionists, in tactics, politics, and rhetoric.
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Linda*in*SFNM
Mon, 10/08/07
2:18 pm
FRED from OR said:
"Biden and Boxer voted against it."
---------->>>No, that's not correct. Biden did NOT VOTE
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WRONG, LINDA, I CHECKED AND BIDEN VOTED AGAINST IT.
I THINK YOU ARE CONFUSING THIS WITH THE MoveOn DEBACLE, Biden did not vote on that.
here's the link to Kyl-Lieberman on roll call:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ro...
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* rdorgan
19.
Fred -
That IMO is an unfair character assessment of HJ. We all have done the same thing and posted more than just the title, abstract and a link in our enthusiasm to get what is important to us in printed words on this blog.
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Of course, I do it too. But nobody does it as consistently with as many posts/blog as HJ, if fact, he seldom (if ever) does bite-sized abstracts when he is cut-and-pasting.
It really gets annoying when he does two or three or more close together or contiguously like that. He never abstracts them, or what he claims are "abstracts," are not, they are always relatively long "run on" posts.
I think the quantity of posts/thread combined with the consistent length of his posts is wilfully and consciously abusive, without a doubt.
Out of the 49 posts on this thread, 14 are Fred's, many of them slanderous slurs of my 5 posts!
oops, make that 6
21. * rdorgan
That said, when I saw your usage of the word "space", it brought me back to a song by the Steve Miller Band I used to listen to during my early teen years, "Space Cowboy" (a term that would apply proudly to most of here IMO, HJ included):
http://lyricwiki.org/Steve_Miller_Band:Space_Cowboy
Space Cowboy
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Early-mid seventies, reminds me of the time "all my friends were junkie (that's not really true)"
-had that record too...but disappeared when I moved, Sister probably had it, not worth going back east to look for. I stay here when my wife and kids go back for a visit.
51.Huron John
Out of the 49 posts on this thread, 14 are Fred's, many of them slanderous slurs of my 5 posts!
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OK, John. I am not complaining about how much you post, just the size of the posts when you do cut-and-paste. If you were composing a post, I wouldn't mind, but cutting-and-pasting is something you can link. It is a waste of space.
I don't always blog, but I usually try to condense my posts as much as possible, that's why I plain text. It is easier to cut out the fat, especially the time and date of the person to which I am responding.
Post as much as you want. No objection. I think the more people post, the better. It makes for a lively blog. But if everybody did those long long cut-and-pastes that you do, with every link-post, it would be more scrolly than lively.
Lobbyists in Sacramento Are Trying To Hijack Our Health Care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gte7d5jRd...
You scroll all my posts anyhow Fred. Not all do, however.
54. Huron John
You scroll all my posts anyhow Fred. Not all do, however
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Wrong, John. Believe or not, I like some of your posts, and I don't mean to be patronizing, but you are a good contributor to the diversity of the blog.
But even when I like your stories, if they have a link, I usually would much rather read them at the source, especially with this blog's rich text often cannibalizes the hard returns and new paragraphs.
Please save the kittens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7jcLVqW...
Gordon Brown(UK)has agreed to support US air strikes against Iran if the Islamic republic orchestrates large-scale attacks by militants against British or American forces in Iraq, according to senior Pentagon officials. ….Washington sources say the Prime Minister has been informed of US plans to launch limited air and special forces raids against Revolutionary Guard bases. (Iran) Mr Brown made clear to Mr Bush that he would not support a campaign to destroy Iran's nuclear programme and bring about regime change in Teheran
We now know that Iran came to the US early in 2003 with a proposal to cooperate with Washington in overthrowing Saddam Hussein, and that VP Richard Bruce (DICK) Cheney rebuffed it. The US could have had Iran on its side in Iraq
(Last February) NYT Falls for Bogus Iran Weapons Charges
Completely Implausible Numbers are Thrown Around
Repeat of Judy Miller Scandal
…. This claim is one hundred percent wrong. Because 25 percent of US troops were not killed fighting Shiites in those three months. Day after day, the casualty reports specify al-Anbar Province (etc.) ….and the enemy fighting is clearly Sunni Arab guerrillas. And, Iran is not giving high tech weapons to Baathists and Shiite-killers. http://www.juancole.com/2007/02/nyt-falls-for-bogus-iran
This excerpt is from Adam Nagourney's article in today's New York Times:
"[Obama] has clearly struck a chord among younger voters. And his campaign has made what seems to be the most sophisticated effort of any of the Democrats to reach out to them, taking steps like sending recruiting teams to Iowa high schools and trying to ensure that New Hampshire college students who might be out of state on primary day get absentee ballots.
" . . . .
"The truth of the matter is that every four years – as sure as a sunset – stories appear about a surge of interest among younger voters in presidential politics, typically predicting a jump in turn-out that will benefit one campaign or another. It rarely turns out to be true: . . .
"But could this finally be the year – and this the candidate – that produces the ever-expected burst of interest among younger voters? Polls aside, the kind of crowds Mr. Obama is drawing – and a walk through his campaign headquarters in Des Moines – certainly suggest that some young people have taken a strong interest in his candidacy. . . .
"Mr. Obama and his campaign are definitely working it. Perhaps alone in the field, Mr. Obama, displays an ease in talking with younger voters and a style that cuts across generations. . . .
"What is more, Mr. Obama has firmly identified himself as an anti-war candidate ,which historically has been an integral part of the appeal of candidates who did well among younger voters (think Eugene McCarthy in 1968 or Howard Dean in 2004). . . ."
You don't need to defend yourself from smears by the reaganoid troll. Nobody puts any stock in him.
GET ON IT DEMOCRATS!
They did. They've handed Bush his casus belli by voting twice to accuse Iraq of attacking Americans in Iraq. More than enough DCDems are on board again for the next plunge off the cliff with Bush.
Happy Indigenous Peoples' Day everyone!!
There was a wonderful teeshirt I saw all over Canada this summer:
FIGHTING TERRORISM
SINCE 1492
59. Sitka
You don't need to defend yourself from smears by the reaganoid troll. Nobody puts any stock in him.
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reaganoid - resorting to your creepy crawly slanders and name-calling - are you???
John's a big boy, he can speak for himself. You don't need to spread your Sicka poop - smearing people and assassinating character.
Character is something you know little about, Sicka
Casino plans discussed in D.C.
Madera Co. waits for OK to proceed from Bush.
WASHINGTON -- A Madera County tribe's plans for a new casino have been frustrated by the Bush administration's "gross incompetence" in handling Indian business affairs, a key senator charged Thursday.
The North Fork Rancheria of Mono Indians and other tribes nationwide have been waiting months if not years for the Bureau of Indian Affairs to make crucial decisions. The bureaucratic delays are costing money and undermining morale, senators and tribal leaders agreed during a hearing designed to pressure the administration.
"The delays are just not acceptable," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, the North Dakota Democrat who leads the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. "It seems like gross incompetence to me." ...full article: http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/15661...
"The delays are just not acceptable," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, the North Dakota Democrat who leads the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. "It seems like gross incompetence to me."
Yet Dorgan has voted with Bush on many odius aspects of his agenda.
Dangerous Sealer Stayed on Shelves After Recall
DENVILLE, N.J. — Walter E. Friedel’s plans to waterproof the tile floors of his hot tub room using Stand ’n Seal, a do-it-yourself product sold at his local Home Depot, promised to be a quick weekend project, one he could wrap up in time to catch the Giants football game on a Sunday afternoon.
But instead of watching football that afternoon, Dr. Friedel, a 63-year-old physician, ended up being rushed to the hospital, where he would spend four days in intensive care, gasping for air, his lungs chemically inflamed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/washin...
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The 1994 Proprietary Protection Act means manufacturers don't have to tell us what is in their products anymore.
We have to get back to strict regulation of harmful consumer chemicals. The Europeans are way ahead of us. American chemical and cosmetic companies make different, safer products to pass EU rules.
"The task of getting dangerous products out of consumers’ reach is perhaps the most pressing challenge the Consumer Product Safety Commission faces in this era of surging recalls, particularly of products from China. It is an essential part of the agency’s mission, because premarket testing is not required for consumer products in the United States."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/washin...
58. My turn to shoot the messenger Tom.
Adam Nagourney is Judith Millers co-conspirator in the leadup to the Iraq invasion and the chief Bush stenographer on the NYT.
I personally would not attach any credibility to anything he writes about anything or anybody!
58.
The Bush court stenographer (Nagourney) on Obama:
"What is more, Mr. Obama has firmly identified himself as an anti-war candidate ,which historically has been an integral part of the appeal of candidates who did well among younger voters (think Eugene McCarthy in 1968 or Howard Dean in 2004). . . ."
Obama has consistently voted to fund the war (except for the cynical "pas de deux" with Hillary after the outcome was assured) and is among the shrillest bashers of Iran--don't expect him to oppose Bush's suicidal attack on Iran.
Obama is another one of the "Senators from Israel"
Adam Nagourney is Judith Millers co-conspirator in the leadup to the Iraq invasion and the chief Bush stenographer on the NYT. I personally would not attach any credibility to anything he writes about anything or anybody!
I woulden't cite him with a ten foot link.
Mandatory health care won't curb costs
Commentator Jamie Court
Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton laid out her plan for health care yesterday [Tuesday, September 18, 2007]. Listen to the show, which includes mandatory health insurance. But commentator Jamie Court says demanding more cost-effective coverage would be a better solution. ...audio: http://marketplace.publicradio.org/displ...
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Assembly Speaker Nunez endorses Hillary Clinton
Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has nabbed the endorsement of one of the most politically influential Latino in California. full article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga...
Speaker Fabian Nunez Endorses Hillary Clinton for President: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhR-oLhF...
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Villaraigosa Will Serve as a Chair of National Campaign: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea...
L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa's affair exposed: http://people.monstersandcritics.com/new...
Sex and City Hall
The Mayor's Having a Fling With the Anchor and Summer's Suddenly Steamy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Antonio Villaraigosa Admits Affair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY94Sf0u_...
CA House Speaker Runs from Reporters When Questioned About His Lavish Spending Record While Traveling the Globe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nn31GCpG...
58.
Tom Bearse
"What is more, Mr. Obama has firmly identified himself as an anti-war candidate...
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Based on his past statements, I won't say if Richardson is more "anti-war" but ...
I think Richardson has done the best job of not-pulling-punches on his position. He agrees with the probable need for a Federal System, but even there, he is more direct than Biden.
While Biden has stated that we've lost credibility, and that we would probably need the international community to help the Iraqis federate, Biden hasn't been as clear and direct about exiting en masse beforehand.
I have to agree with Rich Kolker when he questions DFA's commitment to BFA. This thread ran out of steam an hour ago and the damn clock is nearly 15 minutes slow!
69. Huron John
...Obama is another one of the "Senators from Israel"
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He was out of town for Kyl Lieberman. But he did make a statement about it afterwards.
"Politico.com has the Obama campaign’s statement on the Kyl-Lieberman Iran Amendment:
Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the President that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran...."
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/...
"...Accordingly, he [Obama] would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today."
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/...
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IMO - Kyl-Lieberman is a good enough litmus test for bellicosity and for being a pawn of AIPAC and the right wing Jewish vote.
76. Huron John
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Blogging activity often runs in spurts and lulls. The same thing happens at the DNC blog.
I have to agree with Rich Kolker when he questions DFA's commitment to BFA. This thread ran out of steam an hour ago and the damn clock is nearly 15 minutes slow!
The amount of steam in a thread depends on who's using it. And I've never understood the obsession of some with the clock. I never even notice it.
As for the relationship between D and BFA, I'm not concerned about it either since this is a place to post information and opinions and that's what happens here.
Lou Dobbs NEVER 'airs' an email to him that disagrees with his view....the one man (Republican agreeing) crusade against Mexican Immigrants - or more accurately - refugees! WITH the great help of CNN.
A lying President – a winless war and our soldiers dying needlessly – an economy in chaos – bankrupties and loss of homes – Bush and threats to bomb another country… but WHERE IS LOU DOBBS? NOT with the American people. He is doing his best to distract us from these serious problems with his prejudicial and constant drum beat on Immigration– and sometimes LIES about the facts and statistics. Often he says ‘’ and MOST Americans agree with me”..NO THEY DON’T!
ABC News/Good Morning American Poll Oct. 2007: Spanish speaking in America is widespread, but two thirds of Americans polled – don’t mind. Also, 58 percent, favor a path to citizenship for those here now. http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/1048a1Hispanics.pdfA classic Dobbs: April 14, 2005 program, on the carrying of diseases across the border by illegal immigrants, made the statement that 7,000 cases of leprosy had emerged in the United States within the previous three years, an increase attributed mostly due to an influx of immigrants. IN FACT, the actual number of leprosy cases had reached 7,000 in the registry over thirty years. Apology? No way."I don't think that we should have any flag flying in this country except the flag of the United States", and "I don't think there should be a St. Patrick's Day" Lou Dobbs. He describes illegal immigration as an "invasion." Congressional Hispanic Caucus respectfully recommended that he cease the negative portrayal of Hispanics...and treat the issue of immigration in a responsible manner.
American singer-songwriter, Steve Earle has been openly critical of Dobbs' stance on immigration. His song 'City of Immigrants' has been described by Earle as his 'F___” Lou Dobbs' songPresidential hopeful Hillary Clinton laid out her plan for health care yesterday
Since health insurance for every American has been in the Democratic platform since 1948, and 4 Dem presidents with sold Dem majorities in Congress failed to enact it, I assume that none of the current prez wannabes has any intention of fulfilling their promises either. When they prove me wrong, then I'll believe.
The DNC blog looks incredibly similar to the old BFA format. It is as if Dean took it with him - except they do have a rich-text enhancement feature which is not as buggy as BFA. BFA has a nicer look, larger type, but the larger type means more scrolling. The smaller type of the DNC blog takes a little time getting used to, after blogging on BFA.
Their sign-in is buggy too, or maybe they have limits of some kind. Some days I can do many posts there, and somedays it won't even accept my sign-in - just gives me a message "you are not authorized to post" I emailed DNC twice but never got a response.
56. Aaawwwwww (the kitties)
In return here's Barry's most beautiful song that he wrote- appropriate for the season - don't watch the video especially if you are prone to depression -- it is from the album 2 am at the Paradise Cafe, described as music to slash your wrists by (I use it to go to sleep sometimes-it is beautiful but a downer).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEpj68Qf5...
Also OT and a repost --
Please light a candle for the great apes in Congo if you are so inclined.
Congo rebels seize gorillas habitat
By EDDY ISANGO, Associated Press Writer Sun Oct 7, 1:59 PM ET
KINSHASA, Congo - Rebels have seized an area in eastern Congo that serves as a wildlife habitat for endangered mountain gorillas, threatening one of the last known populations of the animals, conservationists said Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071007/ap_o...
Candles for the gorillas at
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/cand...
Just went over there - correction - DNC blog has wider columns, which takes getting used to, but type is about the same size.
86. Annilow
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I got "page not found"
Elizabeth Edwards stumping with her husband in Iowa:
Elizabeth went on to say that, when husband is the likely nominee and placed against the likely Republican nominee, he wins nearly every state. In the same situation, she said, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton wins less than half and Sen. Barack Obama wins less than a third.
"You want a cushion in the event that there are shenanigans someplace?" she asked.
"This is the guy you need. What's more than that, we need to campaign everyplace. Howard Dean is right. We need a 50-state strategy.
Are we going to win Utah? Not likely, but that doesn't mean we don't play there and that doesn't mean we don't fight there.
You know in 2004 we didn't run a single television advertisement in the state of North Carolina and there was a North Carolinian on the ballot. Why? Because the pubahs in Washington all decided that we can't win the state of North Carolina."
I do like many, all, actually, of the components I've seen of the Edwards platform:
Edwards will overhaul the tax code with new tax breaks to strengthen the middle-class pillars of saving, work, and family:
- Savings: A new "Get Ahead" tax credit to match up to $500 a year in savings for families earning up to $75,000—that could be used for retirement, college education, buying a home, investing in a small business or during a financial or medical emergency, and new "Work Bonds" to offer additional targeted savings incentives for low-income families. The credit will be refundable to benefit low-income families and the size of the credit will be reduced for families with higher incomes. All families earning up to $75,000 will be eligible.
- Families: Expand the Child Care Credit to pay up to 50 percent of child and dependent care expenses up to $5,000 and make it partially refundable, and allow stay-at-home parents to help pay for child care for newborn infants.
- Work: Triple the Earned Income Tax Credit for single adults and cut the marriage penalty.
and this, from Obama, makes perfect sense to me:
ELIMINATE INCOME TAXES FOR SENIORS MAKING LESS THAN $50,000
Since the New Deal we’ve had a basic understanding in America: If you work hard and pay into the ystem, you’ve earned the right to a secure retirement. But too many seniors aren’t getting that ecurity, even though they’ve held up their end of the bargain. Lower and middle income seniors are truggling as their expenses on health and energy skyrocket while their incomes do not keep pace.
This strain has been greater since 1993, when taxes on social security benefits were raised. Millions of eniors saw their net benefits go down.
Seniors also had to take on the added strain – and sometimes cost – of filing a complicated tax return.
President Bush’s Advisory Panel on Tax Reform studied the taxation of Social Security benefits and reported:
“Under current law, Social Security beneficiaries must work through a convoluted series of computations in a full-page, 18-line worksheet to determine the amount of their benefits subject to tax. Current rules
effectively phase out the preferential treatment of Social Security benefits based on a complicated, three-tier approach. Depending on the tier, taxpayers may be required to include 0, 50, or 85 percent of Social
Security benefits in their taxable income. To find out which of these tiers applies, taxpayers who receive Social Security benefits must compute their income a second time by adding back a number of items that normally are not taxed.”
After going through all of these complicated calculations, many seniors find that they owe little or no tax, meaning that all of the hassle was for naught.
Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will provide immediate relief to 22 million American seniors who will not need to file an income tax return, and will eliminate any income tax for nearly seven million seniors at a savings of roughly $1,400 each year. For many seniors, this will eliminate the need to hire a tax preparer, resulting in even larger savings.
89. Phil Specht
freakin Italian's celebration
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It was a deal the Mail-carrier's union couldn't refuse - LOL
Fred, sorry, yes, you're obviously correct, I must have been thinking about the MoveOn vote.
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"What is more, Mr. Obama has firmly identified himself as an anti-war candidate ,which historically has been an integral part of the appeal of candidates who did well among younger voters (think Eugene McCarthy in 1968 or Howard Dean in 2004)"
....except that is an incorrect statement by Adam N., because he is not an anti war...and far from it. He is only able to claim he opposed the "dumb Iraq War". He can't even claim he wrote, co sponsored or voted to end that "dumb war" he campaigned on and spent two years in the Senate......until he decided to run for Pres. And then he's gone out of his way to join in threats of war on Iran and Pakistan.....hardly an anti war candidate.
sorry for the choppy text. That preview feature was a good one.
90.*** cChalfonte***
Work: Triple the Earned Income Tax Credit for single adults...
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this is a good idea... fair not only to loners youth, but also to never married elderly and unmarried couples.
More money at the lower end mean better economy - supply side doesn't work, just helps capital markets and luxury item producers.
Also fairer to married without children... There is no EITC for married folks without children.
29. Huron John
Ever notice that on a given thread, Fred outposts me by between 3 and 4 to 1?
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I never complained about how much you post, John.
I complained to you about the waste of space - when you blanket the screen for two "Page Down"s when all you have to do is give us a link to go to...
Fred, yes..good proposals from both of them.
34. Sitka
It's too bad the moderator didn't just get rid of him while she was briefly paying attention.
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When you don't agree, or don't like someone, you go straight into attack mode, SLANDERING with PERSONAL insults and intimidation, and DIRTY contrived false SMEARS about their political position.
If anybody deserves the boot, it is VOUS.
I leave you with something to fuss about---
War Whispers
War WhisperersThe 2008 hopefuls promised a change in foreign policy then hired the old guard.
by Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
It may surprise no one that former deputy secretary of defense and ousted World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz still enjoys the red-carpet treatment among Washington's elite. That he indulged in it at the screening of an HBO documentary about 10 wounded Iraq War veterans who barely made it home alive from the conflict Wolfowitz helped to engineer might raise an eyebrow.
Yet he was singled out as a VIP at the Sept. 5 premier of "Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq" and was still smiling after the screening, which featured insurgent footage of IED attacks, severed limbs, shredded brains, and left hardly a dry eye in the place. Organizers discreetly overlooked Wolfowitz's marquee role in justifying the invasion that brought them all together.....
It really is depressing.
But it was in the 1994 NATO bombing of Serbia and the subsequent Dayton Peace Accords that Team Clinton found its foreign-policy mojo.Richard Holbrooke, today a key adviser to Hillary Clinton , has called the Balkans a huge show of strength and moral authority. "There will be other Bosnias in our lives," the former assistant secretary of state declared in his 1998 memoir, To End a War, about the peace accords he helped broker, "areas where early outside involvement can be decisive and American leadership will be required. ? The world will look to Washington for more than rhetoric the next time we face a challenge to peace."
Anthony Lake, Clinton's national security adviser during the Balkan war, said in a 1993 speech, "We have the blessing of living in the world's most powerful and respected nation at a time when the world is embracing our ideals as never before. We can let it slip away. Or we can mobilize our nation in order to enlarge democracy, enlarge markets and enlarge our future." He's now a top adviser in the Obama campaign.....
Edwards, too, has connected with people who think it's their job to rule the globe.
Peter Beinart, who insists he is not advising anyone, has reportedly inspired the top-tier candidates with his recipe for a liberal return to muscular global democracy in The Good Fight: Why Liberals-and Only Liberals-Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again. At what The Hotline called a "smashingly well-attended book party at the home of Nancy Jacobson and [Hillary for President pollster] Mark Penn," both Clintons were on hand to praise him.Hillary also spoke at the August launch of a new think tank of centrist Democrats and a smattering of Republicans called the Center for a New American Security founded by former Clinton defense officials Michele Flournoy and Kurt Campbell. (The ironic similarity in name to the neoconservative Project for the New American Century has not been lost.)
The group, which includes Derek Chollet, a key adviser to the John Edwards campaign, supports a long-term, albeit smaller, U.S. presence in Iraq, but insists that future foreign interventions shouldn't be curtailed because of Iraq's failures.
To be fair, Obama's team has reached out to more of a mixed crowd, engaging former Clintonites Susan Rice, an African expert at Brookings, and Washington lawyer Mark Brzezinski. Obama also snagged the endorsement of Brzezinski's father, Carter National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski....
You get the drift. It's shocking to find that one shares the American Conservative perspective.
100. Monica Smith
You get the drift
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The only drift I get is that Kelley Vlahos' convoluted writing style sucks...haven't the vaguest idea what the hell she/he is talking about.
69. Michael Ellis
Sometimes i wished he had stayed back in the UK
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That much we know. You've made it very tryingly plain, and I (I'm sure others) would like you to get past it FGd'sSake.
Other than that I hope your well. How's the stroke? Getting more efficient?
Paine...come on....a wide stand? the reason his foot touched the man in the stall next to him? :)
Huron John
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Lovely photo of Hillary. I think she is spontaneous, which (I'm no psychologist) seems healthy.
I think paine might be a young guy likes his women older, donna.
Wes Clark has been pretty outspoken against going to war with Iran, so the War Party advice isn't unanimous.
Wes
outspoken
against war w/Iran
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Leads me to believe that Hillary is against war with Iran.
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I am not afraid of Hillary Clinton.
Monica's 100.post does show how pervasive and bipartisan the War Party's reach.
Edwards was quite critical of Clinton's vote naming the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group in Elkader Friday. I tend to believe more what I hear with my own ears out of the candidates mouth than opposition spin, but serious journalism shows how insidious the reach of the war machine into all of the campaigns.
102. Imn2Paine
5. last thread >Why?
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I thought it was pretty obvious. Basically the same reason we put the link up for the next thread.
For the continuity of discussion, I usually have two windows open and toggle between the two threads. I thought it better/easier to just to copy the direct link for myself and everybody else, rather than have two windows open (or have to pull down the "back" or "forward" menu, going from one thread to the other.)
What do you think?
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113. FRED from OR>I am glad that was your reasoning. I think it's OK, and useful. Carry on.
Which of the candidates is playing more of a game to get elected?
They all seemed to take different lessons from Howard's defeat. Obama runs very strong on college campuses and will be severely damaged if the Iowa caucuses get moved into the holiday break so that students aren't at their usual caucus site.
The young set thinks he is the for real anti-war candidate, I'm more skeptical. I do think the differences are one of degree, Gore even to some extent. Hillary would be preferable to Bill on that score paine I agree. I don't understand her war authorization vote last week. (which it surely was)
Telephone Hour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTX4tfuJo...
Check out this story:
Democrats put on their steel toed boots!
Whether One is For Hillary or Not, Her Crew Outmaneuvered the Giuliani (as in Bush's Anointed Heir) Camp. The Dems Took Rudy G's Efforts to Split the California Electoral Vote, Strangled It, and Drowned It In the Bathtub, To Paraphrase Grover Norquist About Another Topic. A Hopeful Sign That the Dems Have Their Steel-Toed Boots to Kick the Living Daylights Out of Republican Election Theft Tricks in 2008. Also, Kudos to the California Democratic Party. 10/8. buzzflash.comPhil
I would like to see Hillary remain in and lead the Senate.
I can only hope that come primary time Edwards has built steam.
116. Phil Specht
Obama runs very strong on college campuses...The young set thinks he is the for real anti-war candidate,...
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My daughter is in the sixth grade and says her whole class is Obama fans. He has a "1980's Michael Jackson" appeal to this age. Kids that age have a mob psychology, like when one puppy in the litter barks, they all start barking - everybody wants to be with what is "in"
Obama is the "in crowd" candidate.
I had a chance to board a replica of the Pinta, and I thought it a tiny vessel. They are featuring those boats on PBS here right now. It was a great adventure, no doubt.
I don't understand her war authorization vote last week. (which it surely was)
Phil,
I recall and article which mprov posted about a guy in NH giving Hillary a hard time on that vote. She said that an earlier piece of legislation was repulsive and she voted nay. She said, as I recall, that what she voted for was restrictive on the CIC. If I were her I would set a trail to convict W if he were to exceed the will of the people as legislated by Congress. But, I speculate.
118.
Sam Ross
Mon, 10/08/07
9:01 pm
fyi
Courage Campaign No Dirty Tricks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_54APHz...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbjMGKgZ...
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Dean
To: Susan Rowe
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: They're already trying to steal the White House
Dear Susan,
If you can't win, cheat.
Apparently that's the Republicans' answer to our work in California. If they have their way, this reliably "blue" state won't be so blue in 2008.
Faced with a strong Democratic presence, Republicans are campaigning for a new election system instead of their own candidates.
If they get what they're after, it could cost us the White House.
In California, Republican operatives -- including some of the 2004 Swift Boaters -- are working on a proposition for the June ballot that would essentially hand over 20 of the state's electoral votes before the elections even begin next November.
Electoral reform is a good thing -- but this proposition doesn't even come close to an honest effort. It's designed for just one thing: to make California the only big state in the country to break up its electoral votes, handing the White House back over to the Republicans. We need election reform, but let's do it for real -- and let's not pick and choose which states we do it in.
We can't let this proposition get on the ballot. Reject the Republican power grab in California:
http://www.democrats.org/DirtyTricks
California, like 47 other states, awards all of its electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the most votes. In the last four elections, all of California's electoral votes have gone to the Democratic nominee.
Republicans want to change the rules to award one electoral vote for each Congressional district a presidential candidate wins. In 2004, that would have given George Bush 20 of John Kerry's 55 votes.
These so-called "reformers" aren't proposing to do this in Texas, or Florida, or Ohio, or any other large state that the Republicans won in 2004.
Only California.
This isn't electoral reform -- it's a blatant power grab. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger is against the proposal, saying:
"I feel like, if you're all of a sudden in the middle of the game start changing the rules, it's kind of odd... It almost feels like a loser's mentality, saying, 'I cannot win with those rules. So let me change the rules.'"
Don't let the Republicans cheat to win the election. Make your voice heard now:
http://www.democrats.org/DirtyTricks
For Republicans, it's not Iowa or New Hampshire that matters most in 2008 -- it's California.
Tell them to play by the rules.
Sincerely,
Gov. Howard Dean, M.D.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Dean
To: Susan Rowe
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Thanks to you, we won
Dear Susan,
I have good news.
Earlier this week, we told you about a ballot initiative in California that would have changed the way the state's 55 electoral votes are distributed -- a change that Republicans believed would allow them to poach enough votes in California to win the White House.
The effort was sponsored by Bob Perry and others from the same "Swift Boat" campaign that smeared John Kerry in 2004. But this time, we stopped their dirty trick in its tracks.
This time, we won.
The Los Angeles Times reported today that the ballot initiative is dead -- at least for now.
Thousands of you took action and sent a strong message that we won't stand for Republican dirty tricks any longer. The California Democratic Party, and groups like Courage Campaign and Californians for Fair Election Reform, were also heavily involved and deserve a tremendous amount of credit for slowing this to a halt.
Working together, the power of ordinary Americans speaking out couldn't be ignored.
These so-called "reformers" weren't proposing to do this in Texas, Florida, Ohio, or any other large state that the Republicans won in 2004. Only California.
If the Republicans had been able to poach that many electoral votes from Democrats in California in 2008, it would have been the same as winning Ohio. We might as well have handed them the election on a silver platter.
But you fought back. And when we fight back, we win.
Thank you.
Howard Dean
PS. If you want to support real election reform -- not Republican power grabs -- you can contribute to our ongoing voter protection efforts here:
http://www.democrats.org/VoteProtection
Afghans Pressed by U.S. on Plan to Spray Poppies
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/world/...
More money for Monsanto
More soil contamination and health risks for Afghans
Obama has the hardest job translating "supporters" into "voters". Howard's curse in the last go round. caucus training in our area the 20th, and they key Obama's success here.
I was asked to help some graduate students from China studying the caucuses by instruction on how to interpret caucus rules, and like here I like to focus on two aspects. One is that it is a form of IRV with the re-alignment so second choices matter a great deal. The other is that raw initial support doesn't matter for another reason, because it is the allocation of delegates that is being done, and that is determined by the head count after the re-alignment as a percentage of arrivals and if your supporters leave early they hurt you double as they build the bottom number of the fraction, while subtracting from the top..
so new people must be properly informed that it is more of a committment of time to caucus than to just show up and move to one corner of the gym
a properly prepared IRV ballot to use at the caucus could preform a similar function, but without the pursuasion from within groups that is integral to the caucus process
I was asked to help some graduate students from China studying the caucuses by instruction on how to interpret caucus rules
> truly Howardly
The Hidden Twin Crackle in the Morning / Sparkle of the Dew Asleep in the Valley Faux Totem / Enamel * 0:19:21 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up) http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/24827
I would like to see Hillary remain in and lead the Senate. I can only hope that come primary time Edwards has built steam.
If it comes down to TweedleJohn or TweedleHillary, I'd rather see the first woman president and JohnBoy follow through on his private sector populist rhetoric.
White Rabbit - (Grace Slick &) The Great Society
Don't Call Us, We'll Call You - Sugarloaf / Jerry Corbetta
Buy For Me The Rain - The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
[...]
September 23, 2007: archive; playlist
http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=24590&archive=37823
61.
puddle
Mon, 10/08/07
5:09 pm
I have one of those t-shirts. Our CDP caucus sells them.
http://www.nativeamericancaucus.com/stor...
58.
Tom Bearse
"What is more, Mr. Obama has firmly identified himself as an anti-war candidate...
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77.
FRED from OR
Mon, 10/08/07
6:39 pm
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Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the President that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran...."
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/...
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...lol, the logic of constant and uninterrupted confusions:
"an anti-war candidate” IS NOT the one who is able to “recognizes…threat” sucked from the finger BUT IS THE ONE who is able to work toward peace NOT from position of strength and NOT with the “carrot and stick” policy BUT with the FAIRNESS, JUSTICE and EQUALITY in mind.
Obama as EVERYONE else, except Kucinich, Gravel and Ron Paul, IS NOT the one.
I’m proud to endorse Hillary Clinton
Today, I am proud to announce my endorsement of Senator Hillary Clinton as President of the United States.
Senator Hillary Clinton has earned the support of millions of Americans in her campaign for president -- and today I am pleased to count myself among them. The world has reached a critical point, and we need a leader in the White House with the courage, intelligence and humility to navigate through many troubling challenges to our security at home and abroad. I believe Senator Clinton is that leader, and I whole-heartedly endorse her for President of the United States. Senator Clinton and I share a worldview in which diplomacy is the best first-strike tool in our arsenal; in today’s complicated global system, the United States should be making more friends than enemies.
[...]
Submitted by Wes Clark on September 17, 2007 - 12:10pm.
133.former
...NOT from position of strength and NOT with the “carrot and stick” policy BUT with the FAIRNESS, JUSTICE and EQUALITY in mind.
Obama as EVERYONE else, except Kucinich, Gravel and Ron Paul, IS NOT the one.
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Is it "just a coincidence" that these three are at the bottom of the polls and have an almost 0% chance of getting nominated?
Or can they afford to be so idealistic, because they know they will never be pressed to put their proverbial money where their mouth is?
The coyotes are howling tonight outside my window.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
well, that's better than Kucinich or bust IMHO. Good to hear, Sitka.
You've never seen me say that. I don't sell any candidate.
...I share a worldview in which diplomacy is the best first-strike tool in our arsenal;
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For example, the true "anti-war" candidate's message might declare as follows:
...I share a worldview in which diplomacy is the ONLY tool in our arsenal;
Otherwise it is a lie, deception and attempt to hide real goal to achieve the World domination.
[...]
Talking Heads I Zimbra Fear of Music Sire 2:47:37 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up)
Playlist for Zzzzzzero Hour with Bill Mac - October 7, 2007
Lullabies and reveilles. Something for the late nighters and early risers.
Howard Dean was the most idealistic candidate since McGovern and he sat on top of the polls for months.
So saying that Kucunich and Gravel are idealistic only because they aren't polling well doesn't fly.
Phil Specht
Mon, 10/08/07
8:32 pm
Reply to this
I think paine might be a young guy likes his women older, donna.
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Thanks for thinking of me, Phil, but I've met Paine. He's waaaaay too old for me. ;-)
in which diplomacy is the ONLY tool
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Fool, some how I do not believe you mean it. I'll take the common sense of Wes over a Brilliant Mistake
135.
FRED from OR
Mon, 10/08/07
10:16 pm
Is it "just a coincidence" that these three are at the bottom of the polls and have an almost 0% chance of getting nominated?
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Absolutely not, imo.
It is regular events for any fooled and deceived nation with perverted mass consciousness.
He's waaaaay too old for me.
> Well, I think well of you, dear donna;)
Woody Guthrie Little Black Train
You've never seen me say that. I don't sell any candidate.
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alright, I'm being schooled. I assumed it then, wrongly - I will consent.
Aw, Paine. Don't go away mad. We'll always have Wilmette, you and I.
When you think of me, and you will, please be kind.
Or whatever. Goin off to read a bloomin' book. Later, folks.
likes his women older
Phil, I have met donna in evanston. Was one of my special Dean moments; a *Thankful* gift I treasure. It is...way cool, far out, a trip, a happening to meet another Deaniac.
I assumed it
It's rare that somebody isn't pushing a candidate. But when you decide to sell a piece of political real estate, you have to apologize for its weaknesses as well as brag about its strengths.
I'd rather not tie my word and reputation to any of them.
Wilmette
was it Wilmette? Yes, I guess it was. But you! I recall. Like I said, Deaniacs are treasure.
It's hard being a man
Livin' in a garbage pail
My landlady called me up
She tried to hit me with a mop
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
I live with thirteen dead cats
A purple dog that wears spats
They're all livin in a hall
And I can't stand it anymore
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
It's hard being a man
Livin' in a garbage pail
My landlady call me up
She tried to hit me with a mop
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
I can't stand it anymore more
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
But if Shelly would just come back it'd be alright
Be alright, be alright....
143. former
Absolutely not, imo.
It is regular events for any fooled and deceived nation with perverted mass consciousness.
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Then why is it a coincidence that they are all bottom-runners?
Don't get me wrong, I don't know Ron Paul, but I like Gravel and especially Kucinich. I even had his bumper sticker in 2003-4, before I got Dean's, but the low polls and idealism, begs the question.
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145. Sitka
Is "just a coincidence" that Biden is polling at 2% and promises an ongoing military committment in Iraq?
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Actually he's been at 5% or higher. Biden never promised, an "ongoing military commitment," at least not in the last couple of years. He has expressed a need for peace-keepers, if we left combat mission, but his most recent speeches have implied that we cannot even do that, because we've "lost our credibility" with the Iraqi people and that such a task would have to be performed by an international coalition, of which we would not be a part.
Dean is/was not an idealist as much as he was a clear-thinking individual that did not run with the herd. You don't need to be an idealist to see what the right thing is, and follow it.
He is better than he is credited in polling.
Aren't they all?
But it's impossible to know why people take some candidates seriously and others not. Biden is in the "not" group with Kucinich, and Gravel even though he's more opposite to them on Iraq than the others.
145. Sitka
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Surprized at that poll. Most of what I've seen shows even the bottom runners much higher than that and Hillary much lower.
I just notices that the poll includes Al Gore at 12% and 12% of none and unsure. That would make the difference. Still don't buy Hillary that high though.
Still don't buy Hillary that high though.
> Oh, I'll bet she is ...
The independents who don't normally take an interest in politics, or the former ragandemocrats (if I can be so bold) are gravitating to her.
159.
The poll says
"The Democrats and leaners nationwide." What the heck are "leaners"? Maybe they are people that are "lean," cause they haven't had enough to eat?
If "leaners" includes republicans, you may have reaganite repulicans (specially females) on her side.
I don't think it is the level of nourishment, Fred. Maybe the amount of sleep? ...which is my way to head out tonight;) I gotta hit the hay, brother.
Night.
Richardson has the best "out now" message, but can you believe him after his hawkish statements as Ambassador? His logistic for exiting time sometimes seem unrealistic. At least Kucinich has been consistent.
Night, Paine. The night is still young in Oregon.
New Thread kiddles. . . .
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22517...
Sitka
Mon, 10/08/07
10:29 pm
1. When he ran for President, In general Dean was a pragmatic maverick he had a long history of being by the far right and left
2. Paul Tsongas was an idealist
Susan - 124
So - was Buzzflash giving too much credit to Hillary's gang - when it should be credit to our Howard???
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