Howard Dean is first...here and there! :)

Springfield is far from me, and I don't even know if I'll have a car by the 29th, but I'm tempted to go to the meetiing in Springfield because it's at the DEAN Technical Center!  :-) 

From two threads prior (the Linda*in*SFNM thread)!! 

Hurrah for the 30 Rock cast~!!!

And a huge Yeeeeaaaagggghhhhhh for Linda*in*SFNM!

REALLY a Howardly action, Linda! 
What do you say, Phil?

GORE 2008
Accept no substitutes!

>Watch an extended version of Hagee's keynote address at A Night to Remember Israel, 2007

Dr. Hagee founded and is the Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, a non-denominational evangelical church that has more than 18,000 members. He is also the President and CEO of John Hagee Ministries, which he says boasts a television and radio audience of 99 million homes.

At the recent annual CUFI summit in Washington, D.C., prominent politicians were present to pledge support for this growing movement, including Senators John McCain, Joseph Lieberman, House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, as well as former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Lieberman particularly sang Hagee's praise:

"He is a Ish Elokim, a man of God and those words really fit him...like Moses he's become a leader of a mighty multitude, even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the promised land."

CUFI considers its defining issue to be the growing challenge of radical Islam, particularly as relates to the security of Israel and the United States. CUFI is incresingly concerned by Iran and its potential nuclear threats. Hagee often alludes to Nazi Germany in order to underline what he believes to be the gravity of the situation:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are reliving history. It is 1938 all over again," Hagee explains in a 2007 speech. "Iran is Germany. Ahmadinejad is Hitler. And Ahmadinejad, just like Hitler, is talking about killing the Jews."

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/video_popups/pop_vid_hagee.html

WATCH BILL MOYERS TONITE on PBS

The story will be Christian Zionism

Christians United for Israel (CUFI)

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/profile.html

Hagee is a dangerous man.  Bush is using him.   How sad. 

Don't forget in the Siegelman case in Alabama, that Karl Rove has been working there since 1994 with no conscience and no holds barred.

Karl Rove's ruthless tactics helped a judge win in Alabama in 1994. Involved a recount.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1362

Bill Moyers sits down with Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun, a Jewish journal of politics, culture, and spirituality, and Dr. Timothy P. Weber, an evangelical Christian, historian, and the author of ON THE ROAD TO ARMAGEDDON: HOW EVANGELICALS BECAME ISRAEL'S BEST FRIEND, who discuss the growing Christian Zionist movement in America, from different religious perspectives.

"In previous attempts to understand Bible prophecy, Iran did not show up on anybody's radar screen. As history takes these unexpected turns, the Bible teachers, the preachers, the dispensational theologians, they adjust the scenario to fit. In short, dispensationalists know how to change the subject, when it's necessary." -Dr. Timothy P. Weber

"It is possible to create a different understanding of the Islamic world, one that doesn't put them all together in one evil category, just as it's possible to understand that there are evangelicals who are very hurtful in their world view, and there are evangelicals who are very loving in their world view." -Rabbi Michael Lerner

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/profile2.html

Please consider lighting candles for the Monks and People of Myanmar...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MONKS

SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE DEMOCRATIC EUPHORIA, BUT...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/334324_thomas05.html

By HELEN THOMAS
HEARST NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON -- President Bush has no better friends than the spineless Democratic congressional leadership and the party's leading presidential candidates when it comes to his failing Iraq policy.

Those Democrats seem to have forgotten that the American people want U.S. troops out of Iraq, especially since Bush still cannot give a credible reason for attacking Iraq after nearly five years of war.

Last week at a debate in Hanover, N.H., the leading Democratic presidential candidates sang from the same songbook: Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York, and Barack Obama of Illinois and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards refused to promise to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq by 2013, at the end of the first term of their hypothetical presidencies. Can you believe it?

When the question was put to Clinton, she reverted to her usual cautious equivocation, saying: "It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting."

Obama dodged, too: "I think it would be irresponsible" to say what he would do as president.

Edwards, on whom hopes were riding to show some independence, replied to the question: "I cannot make that commitment."

They have left the voters little choice with those answers.

Some supporters were outraged at the obfuscation by the Democratic front-runners.

On the other hand, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, and Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., are more definitive in their calls for quick troop withdrawals.

But Biden wants to break up Iraq into three provinces along religious and ethnic lines. In other words, Balkanize Iraq.

To have major Democratic backing to stay the course in Iraq added up to good news for Bush.

9. Huron John
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Big Deal, John. It is obvious these people are trying not to give the Republicans clips to use in their campaign.

ONLY AN ANTI-DEMOCRAT LIKE YOU would not see that.

MORE FROM HELEN THOMAS, BLESS HER...........

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is another Democratic leader who has empowered Bush's war.

Pelosi removed a provision from the most recent war-funding bill that would have required Bush to seek the permission of Congress before launching any attack on Iran. Her spokesman gave the lame excuse that she didn't like the wording of the provision. More likely, she bowed to political pressure.

Is it any wonder the Democrats are faring lower than the president in a Washington Post ABC approval poll? Bush came in at 33 percent and Congress at 29 percent.

Members of Congress seem to have forgotten their constitutional prerogative to declare war; World War II was the last time Congress formally declared war.

Presidents have found other ways to make end runs around the law, mainly by obtaining congressional authorization "to do whatever is necessary" in a crisis involving use of the military. That's the way we got into the Vietnam and Iraq wars.

So what are the leading Democratic White House hopefuls offering? It seems nothing but more war. So where do the voters go who are sick of the Iraqi debacle?

Fred, I was quoting HELEN THOMAS!

She knows more about everything than you and Joe Biden combined!

9.Huron John

But Biden wants to break up Iraq into three provinces along religious and ethnic lines. In other words, Balkanize Iraq.

============

That false talking meme is getting old John. We "broke up" our country into 50 States, and we "break up" the States into counties and municipalities.

Local control is the key to security and end to bloodshed in Iraq, but people like you want the bloodshed to continue, if it helps your political agenda.

To answer Helen's question, there's nowhere to go but a new, uncorrupted, progressive party!

#8 Thanks Listener for the candle invitation.  I offered one.

Thanks Huron John, for your posts.  You represent a difficult and real perspective on this travesty we have for a government and body politic.  I appreciate it.

I've be reading C/OF  (The Cost of Freedom) : The Anthology of Peace & Activism published by Howling Dog Press with Michael Annis as publisher and editor.  I have to say it's been overwhelming the selling of this war, the corporate profiting, the exploitation of soldiers, the equivocation of the press.  I am profoundly depressed.  

It's a paradox.  My life has been so good with all that I need, with the opportunity to work in an area I have some competence and interest,; with friendships with people I admire, respect, enjoy, and learn from; with shelter, clean water, warmth, food, books, in a place that never seems to astonish me by its beauty, and yet, there is terrible oppression, privation, destruction, and corruption in Iraq and other parts of the world where I am complicit.  My government uses my tax dollors, my ineffectual protests to further its destruction and control of people, resources, and places in my name.

What do do? 

13. Huron John

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This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo - The Tokyo Rose for Democrats is alive and well, her name is John.

For a wry laugh, here's the URL for Jon Stewart's interview of Chris Matthews.  It demonstrates why Chris Matthews is so irritating.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071003_daily_show_chris

_matthews_book_interview_from_hell/

 

ANDREW GREELEY

http://www.suntimes.com/news/greeley/585391,CST-EDT-greeley03.article

Why was it necessary to invade Iraq? Because they attacked us? But they did not. Most of the 9/11 killers were in fact Saudis. Because they had weapons that might kill us? It turns out that they did not. Why is it necessary to continue this pointless, never-ending war? For the sake of democracy in Iraq? For victory? Because the president says it's the "right thing" to do? So that a future president will be blamed for "weakness

The pathetic Biden talking points continue..................

This quote from the frontispiece of c/o F: The Anthology of Peace & Activism

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt.  He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.  This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once.  Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a partof so base an action!  It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.... I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist.  I am willing to fight for peace.  Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war."  Albert Einstein 

THE DEMOCRATS AND IRAN, CAN THEY SINK ANY LOWER?

http://www.counterpunch.org/sustar10052007.html

Voting to declare one of Iran's security forces a "terrorist organization." Authorizing yet more funding for Bush's war on Iraq. Declaring that U.S. troops might occupy Iraq until at least January 2013.

Sounds like the posturing of one of the whatshisnames running for the Republican presidential nomination. But these are the policies and political positions of the Democratic Congress and its leading presidential contenders.

At a debate on September 25, the top three Democratic presidential candidates--Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards--all refused to declare that they'd have pulled U.S. troops out of Iraq by the end of their first term, if elected.

"I think it would be irresponsible" to promise a pullout by January 2013, Obama said. "I cannot make that commitment," said Edwards. For her part, Clinton, typically, dodged a direct answer: "It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting."

Earlier that day, a majority of Senate Democrats supported a measure sponsored by Sens. John Kyl and Joe Lieberman declaring Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization--and calling on the U.S. government to "combat, contain and roll back the violent activities" of Iran.

Thanks to the Democrats, the referendum--which at least some observers likened to an authorization for war--won by an overwhelming 76-22 margin. Clinton voted yes; Obama, in what is becoming a habit, skipped the roll call.

To top it off, tacked onto the measure at the last minute was a resolution expressing support for the partition of U.S.-occupied Iraq into ethnic and sectarian cantons--a ratification of the process of ethnic cleansing that has driven millions of Iraqis from their homes and claimed the lives of untold numbers.

Not quite one year after they took control of Congress, thanks to a huge antiwar vote in the 2006 congressional elections, the Democrats have not only failed utterly to stop the war on Iraq--they've caved in one confrontation after another with the White House. Party leaders who once claimed they would force the Bush White House to "change course" have come to resemble their loser of a presidential candidate in 2004, John Kerry.

When criticized by opponents of the war, the Democrats respond in almost a single voice that they don't have the votes to override a Bush veto--or even win a procedural voice to end debate in the Senate and come to an up-and-down vote on controversial legislation.

That's blatantly dishonest--as insider journalists Jim VandeHei and John Harris pointed out in the online Beltway gossip publication The Politico.

19. Huron John

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What is pathetic is YOUR describing with terminology Biden would NEVER use, and define it as something it is obviously not. All you do is deepen the confusion and deception about what it is intended to be. If that makes you happy, that is sick and pathetic.

22. Huron John
===============

This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo - The Tokyo Rose for Democrats is alive and well, her name is John.

MORE

http://www.counterpunch.org/sustar10052007.html

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) could force a vote a day over Iraq. She could keep the House in session all night, over weekends and through planned vacations. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) could let filibusters run from now till Christmas rather than yield to pro-war Republicans...[A]ntiwar lawmakers can hardly say they have done everything possible to challenge the war and bring attention to their cause."

The Democratic contenders to replace Bush in 2009 aren't doing anything more. With the exception of Dennis Kucinich and Bill Richardson, the candidates all propose not to end the occupation of Iraq, but to downsize and repackage it to make it more militarily and politically sustainable for the long term.

As Financial Times commentator Gideon Rachman--in an article titled "Many contenders but just one voice"--wrote: "On a whole range of issues that remain very controversial even among close American allies in Europe and Asia, there is a broad American consensus [spanning] Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards on the Democratic side to Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain and Fred Thompson among the Republicans.

"All of the main candidates want to build up the American military rather than shrink it (Senator Clinton wants to add 80,000 troops to the Army). They all agree that the U.S. has the right to take pre-emptive military action in the 'war on terror.'...They are all strong supporters of Israel. And they are all talking tough on Iran.

The next page, somewhat more hopeful

"To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic.  It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.  What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives.  If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something.  If we remember those times and places --and there are so many-- where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibliity of sending this spining top of a world in a different direction.  And if we do act, in however small a way, we don't have to wait for some grand utopian future.  The Future is an infinite succession of Presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.""--Howard Zinn 

By Alexander Bolton

October 05, 2007

Donors who made Howard Dean the Democratic presidential front-runner ahead of the 2004 Iowa caucuses have flocked to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), helping him raise more money than any other White House candidate this year, according to a review of fundraising records.

Read all about it!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/deaniacs-open-their-wallets-for-08-hopefuls-2007-10-05.html

This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo - The Tokyo Rose for Democrats is alive and well, her name is John.

Tokyo Rose (for the Allies) = Huron John (for Democrats)

still more

Now, after a brief period earlier this year in which the Democrats appeared willing to challenge the Bush White House, the old strategies of retreat, concession and surrender have returned.

This isn't merely because the Democrats are following a bad electoral strategy. The Democratic Party is the second party of American capitalism and is fundamentally committed to the interests and priorities of the U.S. ruling establishment.

When it comes to foreign policy, while there may be disagreements about tactics, the Republicans and Democrats agree on the aim of projecting U.S. power around the globe--as is increasingly clear from the debate in Washington these days.

But the anger among ordinary people that made itself felt in the 2006 elections--over the war specifically, and falling standards of livings for worker more generally--hasn't gone away.

Pressure from its base--as well as another disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan--may yet prod the Democrats back to the left. In any case, the hatred of Bush and the Republicans runs so deep that even the Democrats' prowar policies may not overly harm their election chances, even if the voters are well to the left of the candidates on Iraq and other issues.

What's certain right now, however, is that opponents of the war can't wait on a Democratic president taking office in 2009 to try to revive antiwar organizing. Those opposed to the war will have to rely on their own activism to force a change in U.S. policy--and the time to begin is now.

At the Meetup, someone who grew up with and went to school with Jeb and George Bush said that both were as dumb as a bag of hammers, only George had a mean strreak.  See the latest Paul Krugman editorial who talks about Bush's speech dysfunction that shows up when he tries to pretend he's compassionate, eg. "put food on their families; childrens are learning,"etc.

28.Huron John

This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo - The Tokyo Rose for Democrats is alive and well, her name is John.

Tokyo Rose (for the Allies) = Huron John (for Democrats)

QUIT POLLUTING OUR BLOG WITH ALL YOUR SPITEFUL SCROLL

AIPAC CALLS THE SHOTS

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook10052007.html

Gravel commented, "We're talking about ending the war. My god, we're just starting a war right today. There was a vote in the Senate today. Joe Lieberman, who authored the Iraq resolution, has authored another resolution, and it is essentially a fig leaf to let George Bush go to war with Iran. And I want to congratulate Biden for voting against it, Dodd for voting against it, and I'm ashamed of you, Hillary, for voting for it. You're not going to get another shot at this, because what's happened, if this war ensues, we invade, and they're looking for an excuse to do it." Goodman's question is simple enough, why would 76 senators vote for such a resolution. Hersh's response: "Money. A lot of the Jewish money from New York. Come on, let's not kid about it. A significant percentage of Jewish money, and many leading American Jews support the Israeli position that Iran is an existential threat. And I think it is as simple as that. ... That's American politics circa 2007."

 Gravel's awareness of this threat as expressed to PBS represents the rare occurrence when the reality of our total support for Israel's interests is aired in public. An objective consideration of the "raid" of September 6, 2007 by the Israeli Air Force against Syria as it would have been reported in the American press had it been Syria attacking Israel would not have been headlined "The Whispers of War." Indeed that report did not focus on Israel's disregard for international law or its consequences, but rather on how Israel can deliver nuclear or standard bombs as far as Iran.

What does AIPAC's control of our Congress mean for the American people? Arguably, that influence propelled the U.S. into war against Iraq with its inevitable consequences in death, destruction and debt leaving the nation bereft of a resolution; it has solidified perception around the world that Israel's defiance of the UN resolutions demanding that it obey international law regarding right of return for Palestinians and return of occupied territory is not just condoned by the U.S. but is the policy of the U.S., making the United States a co-partner in international crime; it has made Israel's illegal treatment of the Palestinians in its indiscriminate killing of children and women, in its use of extrajudicial assassination, in its imprisonment of a whole people resulting in extreme poverty, malnutrition, and disease, in its total control of the lives of these people who have no recourse to overcome the occupation since they have no means to do so, practices condoned by the United States, and turned the U.S. from a compassionate and morally responsible nation to one that is amoral and hypocritical; and, in absolute despair, it has placed America on the thresh hold of one more devastating war against a people that has done nothing against the United States, has not occupied another nations's territory, has not invaded another nation, and has signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, all actions that are diametrically opposed to those of our client state, Israel. Such is the sell out by our representatives of their constituents as they grovel, unlike Mike Gravel, before the insidious lobby that controls our fate. No outcry, only silence. Why?

This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo
Tokyo Rose (for the Allies) = Huron John (for Democrats)

QUIT POLLUTING OUR BLOG with all your spiteful "Troll Scroll."

This not news, John, it is your daily dose of toxic innuendo
Tokyo Rose (for the Allies) = Huron John (for Democrats)

QUIT POLLUTING OUR BLOG with all your spiteful "Troll Scroll."

Fred seems to be stuck on repeat your libels if you can't think of anything intelligent to say!

QUIT POLLUTING OUR BLOG

Our blog???????????

36. Huron John

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Yes - not yours - intruder

You have no conscience, Huron John, about HOGGING SPACE and BLOCKING OUT others' posts.

If EVERYBODY posted the volume you do

This blog would be worthless.

A very impressive event by John Edwards here today and he took a great deal of time to answer my seashell question directly.

I have absolutely no buyers remorse in picking Edwards as my choice, even as I see positives in others. The man will make a great President.

Great to hear, Phil.  What was the question?

17. Pat in Colorado
===============

Great link, laugh, dual of the Titans.

cChalfone here's my response from last night/this morning.

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Terrorism is the shooting and killing of people indiscrimately for the purpose of a stated objective.

What the objective is, or the intent of that objective is irrelevant. Both in the case of Blackwater, and the right wing administrations of Israel, (which is most of them) we have the objective of "security" but the killings and indiscriminate regard for innocent civilians have nothing to do with security. Pre-emptive strikes with no immediate threat are routine.

Israel has invaded and attacked area all around its perimeter and seized land. Pressure from Washington forced them to return land to Egypt. Guerrillas forced them out of Lebanon. Even the U.S. did not seize Germany and Japan after the civil war, nor Mexico after they took California and Texas.

The 1948 so-called "war of independence" started in 1947 with Zionist militias cleansing Palestinian towns. This is what started the refugee problem. Even Golda Meir admitted "We kicked them out"

The Zionist Israelis have been talking "two-state" for thirty years, to the outside world, while in reality, they have been building settlements, and an exclusive apartheid system of roads, water, security, and civil liberties for the right-wing immigrants they import to fill "Judea and Samaria" their biblical name for the West Bank. Hopeless Palestinians are gradually leaving the West Bank. Palestinians citizens in Israel are treated like Jim Crow blacks.

You need to get some unbiased, straightforward texts of information from people who lived there, like "The Iron Wall" and "Blood and Religion" and read it with an open mind. Israeli school children are brain-washed from birth. There is an information war in their country. They ban books.

You need to get some unbiased straight-forward sources of information.

Leah Rabin

After the death of the country's one moderate, Itzak Rabin, his wife Leah refused to shake the hand of Natenyahu, because she thought his inflamatory rhetoric inspired the youth who killed her husband. Rabin was the last politician that seriously took steps towards a two-state solution. She called Arafat a man of peace.

Yigal Amir, his assassin, was not mentally deranged. He was a product of the right-wing movement and said "when I killed Rabin, I felt like I was killing a terrorist.

Orthodoxed rabbis called on Israeli soldiers to refuse orders to evacuate the West Bank. Rabin's effigy, dressed in Nazi uniform was prominently displayed at opposition rallies.

pp.549-551 "The Iron Wall"

How does America sort out its true national interest from our good friends in the Mid-East, who might have parallel but not identical interests? Why did we attack Iraq when our 9-11 attackers were Saudis? How do we support Israel without enabling them to take actions which may not be in our interest?  was my question cChal

the answer was quite long, but I didn't see anyone taping it 

I posted some excerpts from a piece by Ivo Daalder, Fred.  Your response is tangential...but you are free to rant here as is Huron.  

Excellent questions, Phil.  Wish someone would have taped and transcripted his responses.  If you feel inclined to summarize at some point, I'd sure love to hear it.

my short take on Edwards answer was that he views many of the mistakes as being short sighted simply because we aren't doing long range thinking we are reactive

such as

so that an arms deal with the Saudis because they feel threatened by Iran because they are building up because America is threatening war, leaving Iran a counter move backing Hezbollah making Israel less safe, so if we just used proper diplomatic effort would end that kind of negative feedback 

3. listener. THANK YOU.
and actually Phil did already honor me with a Howardly!
...as he put it, "goretastic effort"
again, thank you Phil.

Edwards gives a very short stump speech and then takes questions from the crowd, nothing pre-screened.

He has a good answer from my perspective on global warming, but he answered questions on immigration, health care, troop withdrawal, avoiding war with Iran, the draft, drug inforcement, earmarks, infrastructure, the Second Amendment, Blackwater, sentencing guidelines among others.

I like the way he thinks on his feet although I'm sure by now he has heard them all. But his values underpin his answers. The best part is that it is never about him it is about taking back our country. He is a good man.

"leaving Iran a counter move backing Hezbollah making Israel less safe, so if we just used proper diplomatic effort would end that kind of negative feedback "...

Yes, I've always seen it as great irony tha that those who back the Bushies Mideast  "policy" because of Israel fail to see that Israel is less safe than it has ever been! 

It drives the Edwards organization nuts that I say I will change and back Gore if he gets into the race, If Edwards made a run and looked likely as the nominee I doubt Gore would get in. Their politics isn't that far apart.

Indonesia to plant 79m trees in a day

JAKARTA Indonesia will attempt to repair its reputation as one of the biggest contributors to deforestation by planting 79 million trees in one day next month.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

John Edwards is a very articulate man and I don't do him justice in paraphrasing him. His official positions are on his web site. I just like that format, and Dodd and Richardson use it as well. He did say today he would like all troops out in nine months, and if they are still there in Jan. 09 he will immediately remove all combat troops. But he was most interesting in his opposition to the authorization of use of force against Iran "If you give Bush an inch he will take a mile."

45. *** cChalfonte***

I posted some excerpts from a piece by Ivo Daalder, Fred. Your response is tangential...but you are free to rant here as is Huron.

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I gave you some excepts of Avi Shlaim, an Iraqi Jew, who spent two years in the IDF and is presently a professor in U.K. He married the great granddaughter of Lord Balfour. He is no traitor to Israel. His book implies the Revisionist Zionists are the traitors to the land of Israel.

"Rant" is putting it mildly for Huron John - he's a cut-and-paste propaganda machine.

Your calling the fascist ethnocracy like Zionist Israel, an equal opportunity "Democracy" is herrendous mistake...they are bullies, like the neocons, plain and simple, since the 1930s, and it got much worse since 1967 - and that needs to change someday, if we are to ever have peace in the region.

Climate change disaster is upon us, warns UN

· Emergency relief chief calls for swift action

· 12 out of 13 'flash' appeals in 2007 related to weather

Julian Borger, diplomatic editor -The Guardian

A record number of floods, droughts and storms around the world this year amount to a climate change "mega disaster", the United Nation's emergency relief coordinator, Sir John Holmes, has warned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...

Brandon Friedman

#3. "Chickenhawk Chutzpah"

votevets.org

wooohoo! You go BRANDON! ... putting the ignorant followers/believers of Reich Wing and Rush Limbaugh in their place on Countdown right now.

50. *** cChalfonte***

"leaving Iran a counter move backing Hezbollah making Israel less safe,...

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To Revisionist Zionism, anyone Israel does not dominate is a "threat to security."

If Hezbollah keeps Israeli aggression in check, it is good for the balance of power in the region and there is less fear of Israel. This is good for the peace and security of Israel, as well.

FRED from OR
Fri, 10/05/07
8:21 pm
___________________________________________________________________________

Fred,

On this controversial topic for many, you have always been articulate, well read, impartial and fair all around...........you are not swayed by hysteria, religion or unfair selfish motives........

I compliment you on your humanity and truthfullness..................

Richard Hawley

CD: Lady's Bridge
Song: "Lady Solitude"
Label: Mute

Listen to "Lady Solitude"

http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/#hawley

58. Michael Ellis
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thanks, Mike, long time, no see.

Brandon Friedman

>

Caught that.  He was great.  In fact he was, for me at this moment, similar to the lady who is running against Nancy Pelosi in California.  Sorry, I just can't recall her name at the moment.  Anyway he really came accross well.

Thank you, Phil, for both the questions and the answers.  True that we are making Isreal less safe....why can't they see that,...or do they? How influenced is the BH by the Armeggedon cretins?

No, I've only sent money to Gore and so it shall be.

Hillary will be the last candidate to make it to the county besides Kucinich and Gravel who are not campaigning here, and when she comes I will report her visit too ( for you paine).

bbl

I am not afraid of Hillary, Phil

Ok

is there the slightest of evidence that Gore is running? 

No. 

And, actually the most important effort should be the Congress.   Getting good candidates to run and move legislation in the House and Senate.

I do not fear a Clinton Administration.

Oct
05
Al Gore To Break It Down On Upcoming Episode Of 30 Rock
Filed under: television — michael @ 3:49 pm

Adding to his entertainment resume, former Vice President Al Gore will guest star on an upcoming episode of NBC’s hit show 30 Rock.

The guest appearance is expected to coincide with the network’s “Week of Green” starting November 4th; in which all shows will carry an eco-friendly theme of some kind. A spokesperson for Gore said that her boss had a “great time” filming the episode in New York last week, but would not allude to the role he might play in the comedy. “You’ll just have to watch,” she quipped. NBC meanwhile is keeping its mouth shut and refuses to confirm any of it.

One thing’s for sure, the cast certainly think Gore is the man. They were apparently all seen wearing “Gore ‘08″ t-shirts. Nice.

http://www.ecorazzi.com/

Don't feed the troll.

LAAA 3

Bos 2

2nd , 2 out

~~~

NYY 1

Cle 2

FINAL

Clinton/Gore'08

69. Now that's funny.

53. FRED from OR

45. *** cChalfonte***

I gave you some excepts of Avi Shlaim, an Iraqi Jew, who spent two years in the IDF and is presently a professor in U.K. He married the great granddaughter of Lord Balfour. He is no traitor to Israel. His book implies the Revisionist Zionists are the traitors to the land of Israel...

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For those who are not aware of it. Lord Balfour was the namesake of the Balfour Declaration of November 1917. A letter Foreign secretary of U.K. Lord Balfour sent to Lord Rothchild, which resulted supporting the granting of land for a Jewish commonwealth in the land of Palestine for the 56,000 Jews there at the time (there were 600,000 Arabs.)

Sure.  Clinton would do the POTUS thing and so would Gore, but Gore could do it for 16 years and make the majority faction at DFA happy campers.

Mark Shields says polls show "the greatest thing going for Rudi Guliani is Hillary Clinton. Repub Polls show people think he has the best chance of beating her.

Heard Dodd does very well against Guliani

Blogger NORDY broke her shoulder today!!!

If you'd like to light a candle for Nordy:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NORDY 

CALIFORNIA DFAers..............courage campaign [a deaniac spinoff group], the sierra club, a citizen group from the protrero valley, and others in the coalition will hold a protest demonstration AGAINST BLACKWATER this weekend in san diego county.  the mercenary organization plans to build a training base near the border with mexico.  your voice is needed to shut them down.

btw, erik prince, the right-wing founder of blackwater, is allied with the romney campaign.

Here's a bumper sticker submission to the ether:

~Decisions have consequences~

Huckabee lays it on the line on NewsHour "We have to Win in Iraq"

here's another to add to the bush incompetence tally...........the usda sat on the e.coli hamburger story for 18 days.  by contrast, the new york dept of health issued a consumer alert BEFORE the company and the federal agency notified the public!!!  does no one have common sense these days...or is that bad for business?

Al Gore volunteered for Vietnam,
Was a reporter for his local paper 5 years after his return,
Then went to Congress and served his state in the US House,
Then Al Gore went to the Senate, where he served 2 terms until he became Vice President for 8 years.

It is now time for him to be our President, to set the policy for us to move forward.

huckabee's a wack job from the stone age.

pinsocal, wish i lived closer, i'd be with ya. guess i'll just have to do it with my heart.

"No More Contracted Mercenaries for America!!!"

p.s., it took the romans down. get it?

This is abslolutely hysterical.

ENJOY.

This is SuperNews from currenttv.
"Goodbye Karl"

http://www.current.tv/pods/supernews/PD0...

i heard "everyone," including road kill, does well against guliani...we have to stop listening to their propaganda that they're even electable. none of them are good enough for america. let it be known!!!

listener, oh my, how horrible for Nordy. I lit a candle, thank you.

It is now time for him to be our President, to set the policy for us to move forward.

> Is Al running?  Are there, haha, smoke signals from Apache Canyon?  Don't mind me;  I am juststirring things up.  I mean no harm, Linda.

huckabee's a wack job

> really?  A buddie boy of Craig?

...if the closet fits...

And, Carnac says?

82.

Thanks

at the end of October, i'm going to join a campaign. maybe. i think. ok. maybe. ...somewhere over the rainbow skies are blue...

What was it the Judge said when he denied Sen Craig?

"Because the defendant's plea was accurate, voluntary and intelligent, and because the conviction is supported by the evidence ... the Defendant's motion to withdraw his guilty plea is denied,"

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“The defendant, a career politician with a college education, is of, at least, above-average intelligence,” Judge Porter wrote in a ruling issued Thursday afternoon. “He knew what he was saying, reading and signing.”

US raid in Iraq kills 'civilians'

Iraqis say there were civilian casualties due to a US
air raid in a mainly Shia town on Friday [AFP]

At least 17 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, have been killed in a US air raid, Iraqi officials and witnesses say.

US military officials have yet to respond to the claim, but issued a statement that it had killed 25 Shia fighters in clashes near the city of Baquba, in the same area as the alleged attack on the civilians.

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This new kind of war being fought in and around neighborhoods is enormously destructive. These massive airstrikes and attacks by helicopter gunships are causing heavy civilian casualties and widespread damage. I really can't see how the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people can be won by such operations. I would much rather have us out of the neighborhoods and providing training for the ISF. Let the ISF go into the neighborhoods and engage their countrymen.

What a foreign policy disaster....

That's great Mprov  Which one

om  pilgrimage (reprise)   pilgrimage  southern lord    1:11:46 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up) neil young  running dry (requiem for the rockets)   everybody knows this is nowhere  reprise    1:15:34 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up) http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/24796

Thanks for lighting candles for NORDY, Linda and Paine!  ♥♥

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NORDY 

Paine ... Hey, I'll take any signal that Gore is running, including smoke signals from Apache Canyon!  :-)

Me too listener, but it's all been the grassroots holding out for his hat, and I don't see any sign that he is tossing it into the ring.  Which begs the question:  why is the grassroots hooked?

The only answer is that the grassroots wants "the needle and the damage done"

Bill Applies U.S. Law to Contractors

October 5, 2007

WASHINGTON, Oct. 4 — With the armed security force Blackwater USA and other private contractors in Iraq facing tighter scrutiny, the House of Representatives on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill that would bring all United States government contractors in the Iraq war zone under the jurisdiction of American criminal law. The measure would require the F.B.I. to investigate any allegations of wrongdoing.

The bill was approved 389 to 30, despite strong opposition from the White House....

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/washin...

Fred, I was quoting HELEN THOMAS!

Slam dunk. 

Huckabee lays it on the line on NewsHour "We have to Win in Iraq"

Bless his little NeoCon heart....but it's been lost since the first US boot crossed over the border. 

Some still can't face it. 

"We have to Win in Iraq"

>

Such desperation, Sen Huckster. 

Tell me, where was the forethought?

George W Bush and his repugnant fools of the royal court  ( 2001-2008 )

clap your hands say yeah  over and over again (lost and found)   clap your hands say yeah  clapyourhandssayyeah.com    1:24:47 (Real | MP3 | Pop‑up)

100. Sitka

Fred, I was quoting HELEN THOMAS!
Slam dunk
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He's helping Helen Thomas spread slander...Biden's proposal is not to Balkanize, and he has never used that word.

We have States, Counties, and municipalities in the USA. Each with its own health, safety, and law enforcement laws, their own education, licensing, taxes, and services.

That is what BBB expresses support for, not dividing it into three countries. NOT giving them the semi-autonomy they need for security and cultural satisfaction is quickest way to have them Balkinize themselves, without any support from Biden.

Huron John is a massive cut-and-paste deprecation propagada machine. He searches for stories that denigrate Democrats. He finds an audience with antagonists like you too.

New thread.
http://www.blogforamerica.com/view/22482...