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Pasquino is a longtime progressive activist and artist:
War is cruel to the people who love it. Do you remember being in love after the other person has fallen out of love? It's not just a teenage thing.
Neo-Conservatives love War that way. Even after it's gone bad, they love it. They think about what might have been, if only...
They miss War when they can't spend time with it. If it went away they'd want to die. But they can't die because they don't actually fight wars, they only start them and think about them.
They think about War obsessively, wondering what they did that made the war go the way it's gone, but usually persuading themselves that it wasn't anything THEY did, it was somebody else who screwed it up. It wasn't their own lack of forethought, or their incompetence, or their weird belief that everybody thinks exactly the way they do that made such a mess of things. It wasn't the lives they destroyed or the fact that they enriched themselves. No, the fault belongs elsewhere. They were tricked or betrayed. They love War, so War must love them back. So why is it treating them this way?
It's always someone else's fault. If people had only listened to them. And if people did listen, and people actually did follow their instructions, and it still went terribly wrong, well, other people must have been incompetent. Or there were spies and traitors who made it go wrong. Other people didn't believe hard enough. This perfect war was meant to be. And no one should ever have messed it up. And anyway it wasn't their fault.
So, if God was on their side, and they were brilliant and correct and did everything right, what happened? God isn't telling them they're idiots, God is only testing them. That's it.
People who love War are not like you and me. They live in a kind of fairyland, a parallel world where they are wise and competent (and get to wear cool military jackets and boots and hang around with generals mostly, not enlisted men and women) and everybody agrees with them, at least everyone who counts. They hate the real world, where people refuse to believe what they do or follow their orders. Things don't go like that in the military. (Don't bother reminding them that they avoided joining the military when they had the chance.) The real world isn't a nice neat obedient place because other people are stubborn and won't do as they're told.
So why did we invent video games? Why aren't these people living in their parents' basement playing video games? They prefer make believe. Why were they allowed to run our country for six years and make such a mess of it?
The sad part is, now that we've got the controls back, all the blame belongs to us. "If you break it, the next guy gets to buy it."
This is part two of the lovely Neo Con delusion, the "con" part: they made the mess, but we have to clean it up. And while we're cleaning it up, and paying the costs, and apologizing for the damage, and burying the dead, the Neo Con believers will be inventing the legend, about how they were just about to snatch victory from near defeat, brilliantly and bravely, by remote control, if only the stupid Liberals hadn't taken their powers away.
And they will take this fairy tale around to all the VFW posts and war widow support groups and tell it to the people who lost limbs and loved ones. They'll tell it with one hand on the flag. But the ones they'll visit the most are the suppliers of military hardware, who will pay their new salaries, and pay to have their fairy tale published and sold.
-Pasquino
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I'm really sorry that Indy Steve feels that this blog is dying. We've certainly evolved from the heady days of the Dean campaign, when it seemed briefly that the "Democratic Wing" was going to take back the Democratic Party, then take back our country.
I do agree that there is less collegiality, and a fairly clear division between Democratic loyalists and those (like myself) who believe that the Democrats are the 21st Century Whigs. But even though the parameters have changed greatly, there is still a current of energy directed toward disentanging this Nation from the web of corruption and social darwinism (not to mention the bogus "war on terror" and all its manifestations) in which the incredibly evil Bush administration has placed us.
I'm confident that BFA will survive the horrors still to come, and hope we can influence the course of events in a positive way.
BTW Dean is first
Senate passes the Appropriations Bill for 648B, 147B for Iraq, Iran. Vote 92-3. Feingold is one of the three voting against.
3. So much for our "courageous" Democrats. Why anyone would defend these weenies amazes me.
Way to go Russ!
I rented Manchurian Candidate but the WAR comes on soon and I'm warred out so I think I'll just send this one back.
46. from last thread -- I'm just about where you are -- I don't go in unless I'm in pain or something, but my blood pressure meds calm me down and antibiotics are genuine miracle drugs. If you go in and see them they can generally find something wrong. If you don't, well no news is good news :~)
See y'all after the War.
Only Faux is reporting on the drop in violence in Iraq-- I hope it's a real improvement and not just fixed numbers.
Even though they control both houses, the Democrats are still behaving as if they were the minority.
They're not.
Guys like Indy shouldnt get down..there IS hope out ther ya know................
Or we could always just tow it out to sea, sink it, and it’d make a great artificial reef by Mark Drolette | Oct 1 2007 - 2:20pm | permalink
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Amongst liberals, a popular American parlor game these days (in addition to trying to determine where the popular American parlors are), is to ponder this question: “How, exactly, will America’s long dark nightmare end?”
A typical response to this loaded query (a reply too often accompanied by a gratuitous snarky aside about President Cheney’s plan to nuke Iran in the next seven minutes) goes like this:
“What makes you think it’s gonna end?”
And this is the optimistic version.
Well, “Fie!” say I. Any gloomy Gus can write about how terrible things are and how much worse things will get, but aren’t there other possible scenarios, too, even shiny, happy perky ones? Of course there are! Now, I’ll admit, things may be a tad dicey at the moment, but just as sure as Iraq is well on the IED-laden road to freedom and democracy -- you know, just like we have here -- there are any number of post-Bushian possibilities for America, and none of which, mind you, include the cynical projection of living in a society under constant secret surveillance, stripped of civil liberties, pulsating with fear, run by corporations, perpetually at war and in which rigged elections preclude prospect for any real change.
article continues...How does a woman who's handcuffed behind her back strangle herself? Just ask the police.
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-- An autopsy was planned Monday for a 45-year-old mother of three who died in police custody at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport.
Carol Ann Gotbaum, in an undated family photo, may have accidentally strangled herself while in custody.
Carol Ann Gotbaum was arrested at the airport Friday for alleged disorderly conduct, said Phoenix Police Department spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill.
Police handcuffed Gotbaum with her hands behind her back and took her to a holding cell, where she was later found dead, said Hill.
Police "found her with the handcuffs up by her neck area," Hill said. Gotbaum was unconscious and police and firefighters tried to revive her by CPR and other means, Hill said. "They could not revive her and tragically, she died." 
Watch police describe woman's death »
Hill said Gotbaum -- the daughter-in-law of longtime New York labor leader Victor Gotbaum -- may have accidentally strangled herself while trying to escape from the handcuffs.
Don't Miss"There are many people that are able to get handcuffs around their back and get them up and around," Hill said. How the handcuffs "got placed on that neck area ... we don't know yet."
A spokeswoman for the Maricopa County medical examiner said an autopsy would be conducted Monday morning on Gotbaum.
On Saturday, Hill said investigators guessed that "Gotbaum had possibly tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, got tangled up in the process, and they ended up around her neck area."
Airport witnesses told police Friday that Gotbaum was "very loud, she was yelling and screaming and running around the concourse area," said Hill. Police "could not calm her down" and "it was very difficult for them to get her handcuffed." However, arresting officers "did not have to pepper spray her or [use a TASER device] on her or anything else," Hill said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/01/
Right on, Pasquino.
Senate passes the Appropriations Bill for 648B, 147B for Iraq, Iran.
IRAN? IRAN? Who besides Russ, voted against?
Jesus, how can this be happening? Oh yeah. We live in a one party Bush/clinton theocracy.
Pasquino, you've described to a tee (tea)? the thought process of a drunk.
Annilow, CNN was also reporting the drop in violence and deaths of Americans. The Kool Aid is being spiked with stronger Kook Aid.
I fear for the lives of the remaining monks. Poor mr bush must be crying his little eyes out, moaning, "oh, the humanity."
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Groups Struggle to Tally Myanmar's Dead
By Michael Casey
The Associated Press
Monday 01 October 2007
Bangkok, Thailand - One hundred shot dead outside a Myanmar school. Activists burned alive at government crematoriums. Buddhist monks floating face down in rivers.
After last week's brutal crackdown by the military, horror stories are filling Myanmar blogs and dissident sites. But the tight security of the repressive regime makes it impossible to verify just how many people are dead, detained or missing.
"There are huge difficulties. It's a closed police state," said David Mathieson, a consultant with Human Rights Watch in Thailand. "Many of the witnesses have been arrested and are being held in areas we don't have access to. Other eyewitness are too afraid."
Authorities have acknowledged that government troops shot dead nine demonstrators and a Japanese cameraman in Yangon. But witness accounts range from several dozen deaths to as many as 200.
"We do believe the death toll is higher than acknowledged by the government," Shari Villarosa, the top U.S. diplomat in Myanmar, told The Associated Press Monday. "We are doing our best to get more precise, more detailed information, not only in terms of deaths but also arrests."
Villarosa said her staff had visited up to 15 monasteries around Yangon and every single one was empty. She put the number of arrested demonstrators - monks and civilians - in the thousands.
"I know the monks are not in their monasteries," she said. "Where are they? How many are dead? How many are arrested?"
She said the true death toll may never be known in a Buddhist country where bodies are cremated.
"We're not going to find graves like they did in Yugoslavia ... We have seen few dead bodies. The bodies are removed promptly. We don't know where they are being taken," Villarosa said.
Dissident groups have been collecting accounts from witnesses and the families of victims, and investigating reports of dead bodies turning up at hospitals and cemeteries in and around Yangon.
The U.S. Campaign For Burma, a Washington-based pro-democracy group, says more than 100 people were killed in downtown Yangon after truckloads of government troops fired automatic weapons last Thursday at thousands of demonstrators. It also claims that 100 students and parents were killed the same day at a high school in Tamwe, in northeastern Yangon, after troops shot at them as school let out.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100107R.shtml
12. seashell :-)
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The U.S. should demand that Israel take them in.
Interesting interview with Hillary on her diplomacy with Irans leaders........i dunno, maybe she can do the job.................sounds like shes on the right track...............
FRED from OR
Mon, 10/01/07
8:25 pm
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Id take my chances in Iraq.............
Jewish Groups Criticize McCain For Religion Remarks
[...]
"the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."
[...]
Amid the criticism, Democrat Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, an Orthodox Jew, came to the defense of his Senate colleague.
20.Michael Ellis
Id take my chances in Iraq.............
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I ordered a book from Barnes & Noble called "Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State
by Jonathan Cook
Have you heard anything about it? I don't have to buy it when it comes in.
Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, an Orthodox Jew Revisionist Zionist
Fred said: "I am more for Biden's plan than I am for his candidacy, although I think he would make a fine President, especially for the Iraq quagmire.
I am not 100% convinced the Federation of Iraq will stop the civil war and end the killing there, but I think it is a better gamble than the status quo. I don't know if anything will help this country. However, I am convinced that local security and ethnic refuge will not make this sectarian killing worse, especially if international peace-keeping forces help maintain the integrity of the sectarian borders from marauding militias.
When one ethnically-dominated police force is officially in charge of maintaining order for another sect, that's a recipe for disaster."
Really cogent, Fred....well done. Pretty much expresses how I see it, also.
hope you're sitting down;)!
FRED from OR
Mon, 10/01/07
8:56 pm
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ME 101 in 1976 ....................
Even though they control both houses, the Democrats are still behaving as if they were the minority.
They're not.
Actually, they and the GOP make up a supermajority for Bush.
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*** cChalfonte***
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Thanks, cC. They say politics makes strange bedfellows. Today on the PBS NewsHour they had a Sunni bigwhig from the Iraq Parliament protesting the vote. The way he was talking, I was convinced that someone convinced him and his friends that we were about to force an army to attack, and slice up the country into three States with walls between them. I think he was afraid of losing oil revenues.
The report said that the American Embassy also opposed the "partitioning" of Iraq.
What a spin. I hope the truth can get through, and local leaders can make it happen without a bloodbath.
"When one ethnically-dominated police force is officially in charge of maintaining order for another sect, that's a recipe for disaster."
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When one ethnically-dominated police force is officially in charge of maintaining order for another race, that's a recipe for full prisons.
GRavel on the NewsHour now. Slams big money campaigners. Says he went bankrupt because of his health problems.
Pushing his national initiative.
Says AIPAC is using Lieberman for the Iran Resolution. Ray Suarez sounds surprized. Suarez asks him again.
Gravel very angry at "Democratic Leadership."
Says we are staying in Iraq just for the oil.
"People don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us because we cause people to get killed."
CAlls for a retail sales tax, with tax refunds for poor.
30. Phil Specht
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good analogy, Phil
The WAR Spoiler
Well, I think there is only one segment left. Tonight they talked about the Battle of the Bulge and now I know what that meant. The little girl imprisoned in Manila gets liberated with the rest of her family. We fight for Iwo Jima and it's long and bloody but we prevail. We bomb the h*ll out of Dresden and kill a lot of civilians, mostly women, since the men were presumably all at war. It was interesting but tiring to watch. There are some heroes and a little humor.
31. I saw a little of Gravel -- he's a pretty impressive fellow -- forward thinking. Too bad they don't even mention him when they are doing their polling.
137.
Indy Steve
Mon, 10/01/07
1:37 pm
This place has turned into a haven of negative pessimists who find nothing but corruption in good people trying to change this country. That's a sad end (and it is dying) to a blog that used to discuss issues and candidates with vibrancy and optimism.
It's easy to criticrize and belittle and distort. Much harder but necessary to look realistically at alternatives and chart an optimistic course.
Who are you for and why?
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I can understand Steve's frustration with the lack of "vibrancy and optimism" on this blog. However it must be noted, imo, that this LACK is NOT blog's fault but rather Demos candidate's one!!!
One may recall plenty of "vibrancy and optimism" presented here when...Dean was candidate and there were "something" to discuss about....
What has left for us to discuss NOW comparing to Dean's "you have power"? What?
0.25 cents min. salary encrease...once per 5 years? Or Iraq "parturition"? Yes, in that sense blog is dying THE SAME way as dying the whole "system" we used to live in.
It is easy to suck up optimism from finger much harder to seek and suggest the way out...., which is for sure outside of current dream world of false "alternatives" and "optimistic courses".
"Who are you for and why?" our good doctor told us years ago!
The War Party is a pretty entrenched bunch.
First comes damage to the system which resonates until at some point...
catestrophic failure. Just like the twin towers.
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GOP Is Losing GripOn Core Business VoteDeficit Hawks Defect
As Social Issues Prevail;
'The Party Left Me'By JACKIE CALMES
October 2, 2007
WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party, known since the late 19th century as the party of business, is losing its lock on that title.
New evidence suggests a potentially historic shift in the Republican Party's identity -- what strategists call its "brand." The votes of many fiscal conservatives and other lapsed Republicans are now up for grabs, which could alter U.S. politics in the 2008 elections and beyond.
Some business leaders are drifting away from the party because of the war in Iraq, the growing federal debt and a conservative social agenda they don't share. In manufacturing sectors such as the auto industry, some Republicans want direct government help with soaring health-care costs, which Republicans in Washington have been reluctant to provide. And some business people want more government action on global warming, arguing that a bolder plan is not only inevitable, but could spur new industries.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119127620102645595.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us
The war has now become so costly that to paygo by rescinding the tax cut wouldn't be enough.
the dollar falls further
The cost of the war is causing an economic meltdown.
"Hey I have a bright idea", says Lieberman," lets start another".
i have to preface this by saying that this is a joke:
maybe each elected official, no matter how high or low the office, should receive a public beating, literally, every 3 months, so that they can learn to keep themselves real, talk to their public, refrain from talking to industry lobbyists, and generally do an honest job to the best of their ability.
of weaker dollar to buy
US companies at record pace(By Robert Weisman, Globe Staff) Foreign firms are taking advantage of the weaker dollar to buy US companies at a record pace that is boosting investment here but also raising fears about a potential loss of jobs and autonomy.
The War Party is a pretty entrenched bunch.
They're the New Biparty -- Dems and Repubs for never ending war.
Bush did say he's a uniter. Probably the only truth he ever told.
42.sounds like the 80's. remember how the japanese were going to buy up everything?
I think there was the 260Z, too.
Well, I'm off to bed. Did chuckle a bit on the Cain blog tonight, again. But it's time - night y'all, it is 11 o'clock "do you know where your children are?"
there was also a 240, but the prior model looked a lot like the tr3.
I just read a news article on that Iraq $$ bill that was voted on today in the senate. That was an authorization for funds, not the appropriations bill which guarantees the money. What was said was the fight will be on with appropriations bill because that will say how the Money is to be spent. They can decide to have the money spent for redeployment etc. It'll be a battle. I felt a little better after I read that article. So, it's not over yet. The dems did not totally cave on it yet. They better fight like he!!
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